Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)
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Always Late
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Taylor immediatly calls Bullshit.
*facepalm* Goddamn it Lisa. Are you trying to piss off the player base?
You're trying to piss off the player base. The only people who can help you. FFS.
That's beside the point. Her blaming Taylor for the Privateer's now-aborted shit, calling her a violent psycho, that's not how you make someone want to help you. Give canon Lisa shit for manipulating Taylor or not, she made some effort at being nice. Here? She's just a straight-up bitch.
Pretty much, yeah.
OOC, we know she's honest, and I'll give her grudging points for being frank about how she views all this. IC, fuck no.
What do I say?
I'm with Torgamous. We've got no evidence either one's being straight with us.
Are we allowed to put write-ins with this one?
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[X] Believe her
lets see if we cant find some way of getting tattletale to stick around
convince her we could be friends maybe
lisa is too cool of a character to just fuck off out of brockton bay
lets see if we cant find some way of getting tattletale to stick around
convince her we could be friends maybe
lisa is too cool of a character to just fuck off out of brockton bay
Akasha
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It pisses me off that Tattletale is practically begging for help while antagonizing the one she wants help from, as well as clearly trying to figure out personal information about their secret identity and family, and Taylor doesn't even react to it.
When a Villain Thinker starts to figure out your secret identity and all sorts of other secrets right in front of you, just from talking to you, all the while smugly rubbing that fact in your face, you don't fucking talk to the Thinker.
You leave and possibly talk through the phone.
You sure as hell don't ignore that when the very same Thinker villain tells you they were forcibly recruited after being ambushed in civilian identity.
When a Villain Thinker starts to figure out your secret identity and all sorts of other secrets right in front of you, just from talking to you, all the while smugly rubbing that fact in your face, you don't fucking talk to the Thinker.
You leave and possibly talk through the phone.
You sure as hell don't ignore that when the very same Thinker villain tells you they were forcibly recruited after being ambushed in civilian identity.
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Tattletale's response to Taylor calling bullshit was realistic.
It was also full of crap.
It ignores the fact that people are, in fact, already suffering, and the city is dying a slow, painful death. Like trying to change it is guaranteed to be bad, like the current situation is actually good.
It's full of crap, and it's totally her, someone who ignores the broad picture of what happens to those not involved in the "game.
Well done GM, truly.
It was also full of crap.
It ignores the fact that people are, in fact, already suffering, and the city is dying a slow, painful death. Like trying to change it is guaranteed to be bad, like the current situation is actually good.
It's full of crap, and it's totally her, someone who ignores the broad picture of what happens to those not involved in the "game.
Well done GM, truly.
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Now that isn't a reason to believe her.
Always Late
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Ok, if you're thinking about this for OOC reasons, here's the big one: Coil will absolutely fuck us over. Lisa's spiel about how working with him either ends up with Taylor+co dead or enslaved wasn't exaggeration or falsehood. Even if we beat every gang in Brockton Bay, by 'the game' or in war, Coil's got numerous trumps up his sleeve. The three big ones: His time power, PRT Moles, and Echidna, and probably in the near future, Dinah. If we get strong enough to threaten him, he plays his other pieces against us until we get ground down and wiped out. Taylor wants to be a hero and Thomas Calvert is anything but a hero. If we side with Coil, any time we plan to oppose him, Coil finds out before we even move, the Privateer's identities get leaked like the E88's did in canon, or Echidna gets released on the city, or any number of traps get sprung on us. Game. Over.
I'd like to have a write-in saying something along the lines of Torgamous, where we tell Lisa to get some actual evidence of Coil's misdeeds/resources/plans, then we'll take her seriously.
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I know WE know Coil's a true threat, but I can't stand Tattletale's attitude, and waving about our secrets, mocking us.
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Thinkers gonna gaslight, that's what they do.
Lisa calls it cops and robbers, until of coarse until a robbery by the Undersiders ends up with them either captured or dead.
Maybe when she goes ahead and runs away somewhere she can end up with the Elite or such. I don't see her lasting long as an independent with her lack of shard to mouth filter.
Or else she gaslights the wrong people and ends up dead.
My only complaint is that there is two choices, yes or no. Not a "I'll look into it" and have her device start trolling for information.
This also shows the player bases bias's. Lisa can try to gaslight or piss them off and a good portion will still go with her. If Piggot is the least bit disrespectful people throw a fit.
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Always Late
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I'd be fine with that option as well.
I think you're missing a key thing: it's a binary choice, that comes down to who we hate more. We know Coil's a sick fuck who's got worse 'stab in the back' problems than Revolver Ocelot. Lisa's just a bitch with a superiority complex. She doesn't have a drugged-up precog in the basement she address as 'pet'. In a way, it's how the world of Worm works: You compromise, tolerate, and allow the freedom of some bad people because they'll still work with you to tackle the bigger problems in the world that threaten you both. At worst, you get Brockton Bay. Most other cities, not that bad off, especially with groups like the Elite keeping a jackboot on a large number of villains.
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Nope, at worst you end up with Africa.
At best you have people like the Elite keeping some sections of Villainy in line. The only problem is that civilization as a whole is circling the drain. Taylor might as well add a second sign below the 'Welcome to Brockton Bay' sign on the highway. "The city of your future, Today!"
...Actually, do we have to necessarily choose who to trust right now? While Lisa is telling the truth about Coil, IC she just outright called us a violent psychopath in the making and practically threw all our dirty laundry in our face. While she was trying to get us to help her get out from under Coil's thumb, in fact.
So yeah. Both Coil and Lisa are suspicious and they're both Villains. Which means that we honestly shouldn't trust either of them, and we should call Lisa out on how she's being a bitch to the person who is in the best position to help her ass out of the fire, so to speak.
Lisa really failed her diplomacy checks here. And the Cops and Robbers shtick really wasn't the best thing to talk about here.
So yeah. Both Coil and Lisa are suspicious and they're both Villains. Which means that we honestly shouldn't trust either of them, and we should call Lisa out on how she's being a bitch to the person who is in the best position to help her ass out of the fire, so to speak.
Lisa really failed her diplomacy checks here. And the Cops and Robbers shtick really wasn't the best thing to talk about here.
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That's a question @Silently Watches really needs to answer quickly, before voter inertia sets in.
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"Ego sum quod eris" would be a pretty good motto for BB, wouldn't it.
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Always Late
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... why? Taylor just came down on dad for going out to get people killed and being bloodthirsty. This is massively against that. And, it's also throwing our lot in with Coil, since he'd immediately know we blew the whistle on a defector of his. If you want to side with Coil, that's your prerogative. But if you're trying for a middle-of-the-road verification option, that's a terrible way to do it!
And above all... we'd be proving Lisa right, that we are a crazy psycho.
I did say Lisa was looking to piss off the player base...
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...No Yog. Stahp Yog.
I don't like Lisa, at least from the position Taylor is in right now, or the box. Thus, I'm proposing a third path.
Actually, it's not. If Lisa disappears, or is killed, we attack Coil, remember? It makes her untouchable. And she can use it to attack Coil. Which she'll have to do - the other option is death. See, it's a maneuver. We put this info to PRT. If it gets back to Coil (his reach is often overstated by a lot), it'll also get back to Lisa. The problem is that Coil won't be able to do anything to Lisa, at least for a week or two, or we'll assume it's him, and attack him. After that, however, he'll definitely kill / dispose / Dinah her. And Tattletale would know this. She could either skip town (we attack Coil due to her disappearance), or she could use her everything to ruin Coil in the time he can't touch her.
Basically? It forces Lisa's and Coil's feud from a cold war with long plays into Xanatos speed-chess with nuclear grade chess pieces. They'll destroy each other.
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I'm not gonna vote for it, I just thought it was funny.
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I am strongly reminded of those old Witch trials. If you drown, you're innocent, if you live you're obviously a witch and we burn you.
I am not the least bit confident in our ability to stop Calvert killing lisa. Avenge her, certainly, but prevention seems a distant prospect. And without that ability that whole plan falls apart. Lisa's a strong thinker, but she isn't that strong, and we definitely aren't built to protect her 24/7 even if she did sit under our round shield the whole time. We aren't an untouchable juggernaut yet.
That said, Imma wait until we have confirmation on a middle ground before voting. I point blank refuse to stay with Coil longer than necessary, but I don't feel it's IC to just trust Lisa right now. Especially with the way she's mouthing off and essentially calling Taylor's primary motivation bullshit.
I do somewhat agree with you, but we're still playing with someone else's life right now. And there really isn't much of a Cold War in Lisa's case, since she'll basically be drugged out of her mind if we go for this. While it does give us a clear path to Coil should he do so, in character we wouldn't feel staking her life on this.
So I just say to get all of information we can, and check back with Lisa later if everything checks out.
Always Late
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*sigh* Yog, Yog, Yog, Yog, Yog, Yog. I'm afraid you really don't know what you're talking about here. Coil can and will have Lisa dead in less than a week, a day at most. You say he can't touch her, but you provide zero evidence why.
Scenario One's problems: Lisa knows she can't escape. If Lisa was able to escape Coil's surveillance when they were merely waiting for her to make a move, she wouldn't need Taylor to take him out.
Scenario Two's problems: If Lisa could effectively given Coil a crippling blow before dying, she also would have done it before. Her entrapment is not only that can't escape, but she can't hurt Coil in any effective way.
No. It'll result in Lisa's brain outside her head or drugged up in Coil's basement, and us looking like Coils's new favored patsy. Your idea has absolutely no logic to it.
I have to agree with Akasha here.
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