Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

I suppose we could dig for clues based on who was brought in each time it was used and who was not, but as far as most people read, this says its randomsause.

Edit: Unless thats supposed to be a subtle hint that only para's with linker cores will get pulled in? In that case shit, we coulda gotten alot from recruiting the villains of BB. And what an easy method of separating recruits from the population!






No, Solusandra. It's phrased like that because I go into detail about what kinds of capes are and aren't affected IN THE GODDAMN FAQ THAT YOU NEVER FREAKING READ. No effort required.

If this is the reason you still think Recursion Field is random, then it is entirely your own fault. I can't and won't do your thinking for you.
 
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No, Solusandra. It's phrased like that because I go into detail about what kinds of capes are and aren't affected IN THE GODDAMN FAQ THAT YOU NEVER FREAKING READ. No effort required.

If this is the reason you still think Recursion Field is random, then it is entirely your own fault. I can't and won't do your thinking for you.
Uhhh... Silently? That's from the FAQ.

The one that you just accused him of not reading. That's all that's in there on Recursion field.

Unless there's a different FAQ page somewhere?

Edit: As it turns out the Threadmark labelled FAQ has a Spoiler also labelled FAQ that I suspect Solusandra didn't see. I certainly didn't until I took a third look at it just to be sur eI wasn't missing something.

That said... I still can't see why we should have used Recursion field on the F4 ripoffs. The Thing counts as a 'super hard brute' doesn't he? So he would have been ignored...
 
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Look at the Spoiler: FAQs button in the opening post, or at RoninSword's post on the previous page, which copies the relevant info.

See my edits to my earlier post. The issue is that the Threadmark is Also labelled FAQ, leading people not to realize that there might be a spoiler within containing the actual information. Especially when Recursion field is separately listed on the same page under the character sheet tab.
 
Unless there's a different FAQ page somewhere?
The threadmark is labeled "FAQ and Character Sheets" because, well, it contains the FAQ and the character sheets. What else was I supposed to call it?

I'm mad at Solusandra because this isn't the first, second, or tenth time he's had to be directed to the FAQ spoiler. By this point, he should know where it is.
That said... I still can't see why we should have used Recursion field on the F4 ripoffs. The Thing counts as a 'super hard brute' doesn't he? So he would have been ignored...
No, with his altered composition (i.e., rock), he counts as a Breaker in my head, or maybe Breaker or Changer depending on how it's supposedly defined by the PRT because classifying him as a Changer just sounds so counterintuitive to me. He's changing what he's made of, not his shape.

Anyway, both of these kinds of powers are slurped up by Recursion Field. He is also a Brute, yes, but any RF-affected power will cause that parahuman to be pulled in.
 
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No, with his altered composition (i.e., rock), he counts as a Breaker in my head, or maybe Breaker or Changer depending on how it's supposedly defined by the PRT because classifying him as a Changer just sounds so counterintuitive to me. He's changing what he's made of, not his shape.
So he can control it? In the actual F4 that's just his natural state, making him a Brute Case 53 like Weld. Mr. Fantastic is a Changer because he changes his body shape, not necessarily his composition. Torch is a Breaker because he changes his body into actual flame.
 
To break from that unpleasant topic, I have a couple of questions and suggestions:

First, I know this was asked a long time ago but since then we've gotten a lot more resources available. Now that Tim is coach surfing at Dragon's has set up her lab with her, would it be possible for them to rig up a electric/tinker-bullshit to mana converter? I'm asking because the less time Tay Tay has to spend inside the not-so-friendly IAE the better.

Second, I think I (and everyone else on the thread) missed our mark on Cassiel. What are the odds that Richter's Shard got put into the field sometime after his death?

And third and probably the silliest, what is the feasibility of this?

High Mobility Reinforced LC-Compatible Combat Suit.

Codename:
Fafnir

-4x Mana Generators located in main body.
-2x Detachable wings with integrated Mana Collectors + (1x Auxiliary Mana Generators + Heavy Duty Hard Light Projectors + 1x Small Gravity Projector + Rocket Booster).
-Micro-missile/Drone Bay located in back (Capacity for either 25 missiles or 10 drones).
-1x Large Gravity Projector (Capacity for flight, redirection and movement bursts)
-Rocket Boosters located behind the knees and shoulders.
-Capacity to connect to a compatible mage's Linker Core (Dragon compatible by default) to increase mana efficiency and power.
-Insides fold relative to the user's size.
-Telepathic controls (both internal and long range) with manual alternative.
-Synthetic musculature.
-Reinforced Voltaic Armor Plating.
-Basic AI for unmanned piloting.
 
The threadmark is labeled "FAQ and Character Sheets" because, well, it contains the FAQ and the character sheets. What else was I supposed to call it?

Well... I'll be honest, it makes complete and utter sense once you know what's going on, but I'll bet anything that when you say 'Read the FAQ' a lot of people just go read the threadmark without actually noticing that particular spoiler.

Maybe if you changed the threadmark to 'Information and character sheets' or something? I dunno...
 
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So he can control it? In the actual F4 that's just his natural state, making him a Brute Case 53 like Weld. Mr. Fantastic is a Changer because he changes his body shape, not necessarily his composition. Torch is a Breaker because he changes his body into actual flame.
I'd argue Mr. Fantastic is a breaker. I'm no comic buff, but didn't Doctor Doom take advantage of rubber's natural properties to freeze Richard in the movie? The first one, not the reboot.
I might be misunderstanding how the classification system works though.
 
No, with his altered composition (i.e., rock), he counts as a Breaker in my head, or maybe Breaker or Changer depending on how it's supposedly defined by the PRT because classifying him as a Changer just sounds so counterintuitive to me. He's changing what he's made of, not his shape.

Anyway, both of these kinds of powers are slurped up by Recursion Field.

The PRT classification system doesn't actually care what they're made of; it's about classifying how to approach them. Most of them are obvious, like how Blasters are people you have to worry about projectiles "blasting" from. Breakers, though, are people that have an altered or enhanced state, which I think I saw you mention. However, most Breakers' states aren't permanent; they're ones that the parahuman changes in and out of, like Shadow Stalker's shadow state. From the PRT's, and therefore the classification system's, perspective, the point is that the parahuman has a mode that you have to treat specially. Either they gain specific abilities that you need to watch out for or they require different tactics to harm. Parahumans that have some sort of permanent change, like Weld, are usually labeled by that change if they're labeled at all. Weld, for instance, is just a Brute under the classification system, because the most important thing to remember is that he's hard to hurt, and any particulars would just be listed as notes on his file rather than give him the Breaker rating as well. So, personally, I would have just expected The Thing, at least, to be considered a straight Brute.
 
So he can control it? In the actual F4 that's just his natural state, making him a Brute Case 53 like Weld. Mr. Fantastic is a Changer because he changes his body shape, not necessarily his composition. Torch is a Breaker because he changes his body into actual flame.
Weld would be pulled in, too. He's a Breaker(?Changer?) whose power is always active the same way Skitter's was. The fact that he can't control it doesn't change what it does to him.
Well... I'll be honest, it makes complete and utter sense once you know what's going on, but I'll bet anything that when you say 'Read the FAQ' a lot of people just go read the threadmark without actually noticing that particular spoiler.
*go read the threadmark*
*don't open the spoiler that is explicitly titled FAQ*
:confused: :???: o_O :rolleyes:

Alrighty then. That's… Mm-hmm. Okay.

I guess I can take the myriad FAQs out of one nice convenient spoiler/folder equivalent and make the header bright and colorful. I'm going to apologize in advance because I know me and it might come across as a little sarcastic.

EDIT: No, I think I'll save that for later. When people still don't read it.
I'd argue Mr. Fantastic is a breaker. I'm no comic buff, but didn't Doctor Doom take advantage of rubber's natural properties to freeze Richard in the movie? The first one, not the reboot.
I might be misunderstanding how the classification system works though.
I'm starting to think nobody understands how the classification system is supposed to work. Me included. :(

And now for the mess of quotes all from the same post.
-2x Detachable wings with integrated Mana Collectors + (1x Auxiliary Mana Generators + Heavy Duty Hard Light Projectors + 1x Small Gravity Projector + Rocket Booster).
…I don't even know what this is supposed to be.
-1x Large Gravity Projector (Capacity for flight, redirection and movement bursts)
Tim can't build this. Yet, anyway.
-Rocket Boosters located behind the knees and shoulders.
Wouldn't that interfere with the suit's/robot's movements?
-Capacity to connect to a compatible mage's Linker Core (Dragon compatible by default) to increase mana efficiency and power.
No.
 
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*go read the threadmark*
*don't open the spoiler that is explicitly titled FAQ*
:confused: :???: o_O :rolleyes:

Alrighty then. That's… Mm-hmm. Okay.

I guess I can take the myriad FAQs out of one nice convenient spoiler/folder equivalent and make the header bright and colorful. I'm going to apologize in advance because I know me and it might come across as a little sarcastic.

I... Egh... Look at it this way maybe?

You open the threadmark labeled FAQ, your brain goes. Okay, we're in the FAQ, what now? And you go. 'Navigate to the place most likely to have the information we're looking for.

At which point most people's eyes skip straight to the 'Calamity Witch' spoiler under character sheets and Oh look there's a bit on recursion field. It's kinda vague though. Well that wasn't helpful at all!

Again. Makes perfect sense once you realize that titling the threadmark with FAQ just means 'The FAQ is inside this threadmark' it makes sense, but the vast majority of people are reading that and going 'Oh. This threadmark is the FAQ.'

It's just a stupid feature of our human brains. We ignore things that we think don't matter or that don't fit what we're looking for, and once we click that threadmark, our priority switches from 'Find the FAQ' to 'Find the Information' because we think that we're already in the FAQ.

That said, you don't need to do anything sarcastic or anything? If you just take FAQ out of the threadmark label then that should stop people from doing that. Like... It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.
 
I'm starting to think nobody understands how the classification system is supposed to work. Me included. :(

It's more of an art than a science, but it dumbs down pretty well. Does hitting the parahuman do less than you think it should? That's a Brute. Do they get weird abilities when they change state? That's a Breaker. Remember, Leviathan and Behemoth are Brute/Blaster/Shakers; Breaker isn't included in their classification at all, despite having crystals for flesh.
 
It's more of an art than a science, but it dumbs down pretty well. Does hitting the parahuman do less than you think it should? That's a Brute. Do they get weird abilities when they change state? That's a Breaker. Remember, Leviathan and Behemoth are Brute/Blaster/Shakers; Breaker isn't included in their classification at all, despite having crystals for flesh.

...To be fair I'm pretty sure that most people don't actually know that they have crystals for flesh...
 
I'm starting to think nobody understands how the classification system is supposed to work. Me included.

IIRC the biggest difference between a changer and a breaker is that a breaker 'state' is basically a changed state that is toggled on or off and results in the original body having no power unless it changes to that state and it seems that a bunch of breaker states seem to involve the original body being in a way broken down or destroyed (EG Shadow Stalker, Brandish) and then reformed when the state is retoggled. Im also pretty sure but can't think of any examples off the top of my head that some breakers qualify for a sub rating in changer as well but usually only if they're breaker state is the one that changes due to that specific power.
 
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...To be fair I'm pretty sure that most people don't actually know that they have crystals for flesh...

I'd assume some member of the Protectorate figured it out at some point after taking samples after a fight. They "damage" the things in every fight they're in, there's bound to be something they could use. And official PRT classifications are, you know, based on whatever information they can get.
 
It's more of an art than a science, but it dumbs down pretty well. Does hitting the parahuman do less than you think it should? That's a Brute. Do they get weird abilities when they change state? That's a Breaker. Remember, Leviathan and Behemoth are Brute/Blaster/Shakers; Breaker isn't included in their classification at all, despite having crystals for flesh.
Doesn't Weld absorb anything metal he touches? Is that not enough to be called a weird Breaker ability?
 
I'd assume some member of the Protectorate figured it out at some point after taking samples after a fight. They "damage" the things in every fight they're in, there's bound to be something they could use. And official PRT classifications are, you know, based on whatever information they can get.

Wouldn't that be a ginormous plot hole though? I mean if they were able to get samples like that wouldn't they end up figuring out the whole 'Endbringers are artificial beings' thing a lot sooner in the Canon?

Doesn't Weld absorb anything metal he touches? Is that not enough to be called a weird Breaker ability?

Weld doesn't change state though, he's stuck as metal. I think that one of the qualifications for breaker is the ability to switch back and forth... Right?
 
As I understand it, Changer is the ability to change your shape, while Breaker is the ability to change your nature, or phase, or physics, or whatever.

So if you're a Changer, you can change into a wolf. If you're a breaker, you can change into a ball of light that shouldn't really exist under these laws of physics.

The key word here is "change". If you're stuck in that form, then you get the other ratings. Breaker is the rating that's given for the change, not the abilities.
 
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I think that the best thing here would be to keep every bit of info about a single thing in a single place. Right now, the information about the Recursion field exists in two different places nearby. Just keep the one that has the most info and remove the other.
 
This...doesn't actually solve the issue though? If you take out the "FAQ" part of the threadmark and say "Go to the character sheets", the problem still exists.

No no, you 'FAQ' out of the threadmark, and then you still say 'go to the FAQ', possibly while adding the words 'it's under 'character sheets'' to the end of the sentence.
 
I'm mad at Solusandra because this isn't the first, second, or tenth time he's had to be directed to the FAQ spoiler. By this point, he should know where it is.
no, she rarely bothers to read it and doesnt remember it month to month, because she's reading 18 concurrently running stories besides yours. :p and others that aren't currently running.
 
Doesn't Weld absorb anything metal he touches? Is that not enough to be called a weird Breaker ability?

As Spectral Waltz noted, most Breakers change states, and that's an important part of it. Like, here's Wildbow talking about Scrub of all people:

22:10] <Lexicon> Oh, wait, breaker makes sense for Scrub, too. I'd thought of that before, but I'd never connected the two lines of thought.
[22:14] <~Wildbow> I had scrub down as a shaker, not a breaker. He's always on, so to speak

Again, remember that it's not very precise, and it's from the perspective of people fielding PRT agents to take them down. So, Purity is a Breaker because she has to change modes to blast people. Velocity is a Breaker because he interacts differently when he's going fast. Acidbath is a Breaker because he can literally turn into acid.

Weld interacts with the world weirdly due to the whole "absorbs metal" thing, but that's the sort of thing that isn't necessarily important enough to give its own classification/rating, because, again, PRT classifications are purely for the sake of planning operations against parahumans. They are threat ratings. Absorbing metal is kind of weird, and kind of annoying, but it's not a threatening part of approaching Weld. The threatening part is that he's made of metal, he can hit like he's made of metal, he can take a hit like he's made of metal, and he can change into different shapes, making him a little less predictable. The "absorbs metal" part would just be a note that's put in the larger description of his abilities.

I feel like I may have come across a little condescending by repeating so much that the classifications are for the sake of PRT teams, but it really is super easy to forget. Everyone seems to want to use the classifications like they're scientific, like everything should be labeled as completely as possible, but that's just not what the system is for.
 
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