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Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

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RoninSword said:
Did they never bother with conventional space travel powered by magic? Or is that just one of the premise that one has to accept?
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Magic makes dimensional travel easier than conventional space flight. There is some travel in the same dimension, mostly for asteroid
Shaseyu said:
> A Lost Logia activates on a low-magic world, giving weird poorly understood powers to damaged people. Most of them promptly use them to commit crimes, slowly tearing civilisation apart.
The TSAB: "That's definitely not our business. They will sort it out themselves."

> A Lost Logia activates on a low-magic world, giving powerful magic with textbooks on it to one (damaged) girl.
The TSAB: "That's definitely our business. We should recruit her ASAP, she'll be much more useful for us than for these barbarians."
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:eyeroll: That's a gross misrepresentation, Shas, and you know it.
Shaseyu said:
The TSAB informed Taylor they accidentally dropped a WMD on her planet.
Taylor: :) "It's okay! I'm in no way concerned about it and sure you'll make it right!"

The TSAB almost killed Taylor, but then apologised and explained why.
Taylor: :) "It's okay! I understand you had valid reasons to do it!"

The TSAB informed Taylor they'll help with Endbringers, but only with Endbringers.
Taylor: :) "That's wonderful news! I'm so happy we have your help!"

Teana: "...This girl definitely still resents us. Need to make it up for her harder!"
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You know what? Fine.

I had been working hard to make it clear that while Taylor doesn't hate the TSAB and understands the reason for their actions, she still isn't totally happy with the individual members. If that effort isn't appreciated, though, then the offer to help against the Endbringers has now absolved them of the guilt from their first meeting. Taylor is fully on board the "the TSAB is great" train.
 
landcollector said:
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"...We will never speak of this to anyone."
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A day later, Vivio accidentally mentioned it to a member of a church while she's having a nice friendly chat.

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Snowball anyone?

Shaseyu said:
IAE: "...On the one hand a thought about sibling relationship between the Galean representative and Belkan royalty makes me shudder with disgust. On the other hand, a dynastic union is a proper way to end the hostility. Additionally, considering age difference between them it could be a good way to influence future Sankt Kaiser in beneficial for us direction." :evil:
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Or ...

IAE: Alert! Alert! Belkan royalty bloodline detected! Suggest Mistress proceed with caution and release lethality limiters.
 
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Shaseyu said:
> A Lost Logia activates on a low-magic world, giving weird poorly understood powers to damaged people. Most of them promptly use them to commit crimes, slowly tearing civilisation apart.
The TSAB: "That's definitely not our business. They will sort it out themselves."

> A Lost Logia activates on a low-magic world, giving powerful magic with textbooks on it to one (damaged) girl.
The TSAB: "That's definitely our business. We should recruit her ASAP, she'll be much more useful for us than for these barbarians."
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I mean, in the first case, they are dealing with an unknown device that is empowering people. How do they know that it is not the type to kill all of it's hosts when it is turned off? The second one is a far easier one to punch.

Silently Watches said:
You know what? Fine.

I had been working hard to make it clear that while Taylor doesn't hate the TSAB and understands the reason for their actions, she still isn't totally happy with the individual members. If that effort isn't appreciated, though, then the offer to help against the Endbringers has now absolved them of the guilt from their first meeting. Taylor is fully on board the "the TSAB is great" train.
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Silently Watches said:
You know what? Fine.

I had been working hard to make it clear that while Taylor doesn't hate the TSAB and understands the reason for their actions, she still isn't totally happy with the individual members. If that effort isn't appreciated, though, then the offer to help against the Endbringers has now absolved them of the guilt from their first meeting. Taylor is fully on board the "the TSAB is great" train.
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you need to stop bending to facetious acts of the outer gate.
 
Silently Watches said:
"Nanoha-mama, is she my sister?" she asked with all the innocence of an eight-year-old. "She looks like you, like I look like Fate-mama. Can we bring her home?"
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I think that level of innocence is more appropriate to a six-year-old than and eight-year-old, but if Vivio is developmentally retarded for her apparent age due to being a clone, well, that's something I don't know because I haven't watched StrikerS or ViVid.
 
Crusader Jerome said:
I think that level of innocence is more appropriate to a six-year-old than and eight-year-old, but if Vivio is developmentally retarded for her apparent age due to being a clone, well, that's something I don't know because I haven't watched StrikerS or ViVid.
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Less "developmentally retarded due to being a clone" and more "had been stuck as a piece in a plan for a while without decent parents" if I'm remembering it correctly. So probably more of a social problem than a mental/physical one.

Also, may I say that I'm pleasantly surprised to see the word "retarded" used in its actual meaning? A rarity indeed.
 
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Crusader Jerome said:
I think that level of innocence is more appropriate to a six-year-old than and eight-year-old, but if Vivio is developmentally retarded for her apparent age due to being a clone, well, that's something I don't know because I haven't watched StrikerS or ViVid.
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She's a quick learner, but in Strikers she's definitely showing the signs of extreme isolation, but learns superhumanly fast. By ViVid she''s remarkably mature for her age.

As such I think she might have been learning how to tease mama from auntie Hayate...
 
Silently Watches said:
You know what? Fine.

I had been working hard to make it clear that while Taylor doesn't hate the TSAB and understands the reason for their actions, she still isn't totally happy with the individual members. If that effort isn't appreciated, though, then the offer to help against the Endbringers has now absolved them of the guilt from their first meeting. Taylor is fully on board the "the TSAB is great" train.
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I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, that definitely wasn't my intention.

You see, from my standpoint Taylor hopped on board of "the TSAB is great" train the moment she found out about its existence. The attack did hurt, of course, and Taylor started to doubt them, but all doubts were promptly squashed by the Admiral and Dragon in 9.6. As you said:

Silently Watches said:
For instance, you now can't vote for Taylor to actively be angry with the Enforcers about attacking her.
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You're saying Taylor wasn't happy with the TSAB's individual members, but I just don't see it. I just reread 9.14-15 and 9.18 and Taylor looks quite friendly and open with Enforcers. She's not relaxed and completely at ease with them, but, well, they're barely know each other and Taylor is many thing, but not an easygoing person. That didn't stop her from wandering around the TSAB ship without fear that random soldier overreact and attack her, ogling Erga's abs or eating ice-cream with Teana.
The closest thing I saw to Taylor be 'not totally happy' with Enforcers is Taylor's refusal to use Teana first name after she asked, but considering topics of their conversation (Endbringers and inevitable collapse of Earth-Bet civilisation) I think it's absolutely understandable.
 
DestinyPlayer said:
Less "developmentally retarded due to being a clone" and more "had been stuck as a piece in a plan for a while without decent parents" if I'm remembering it correctly. So probably more of a social problem than a mental/physical one.

Also, may I say that I'm pleasantly surprised to see the word "retarded" used in its actual meaning? A rarity indeed.
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Thank you, that's what I meant. Socially and psychologically underdeveloped. The "due to being a clone" bit was that I didn't know whether there was accelerated growth involved in the process like there was with Fate.
veekie said:
She's a quick learner, but in Strikers she's definitely showing the signs of extreme isolation, but learns superhumanly fast. By ViVid she''s remarkably mature for her age.
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Makes sense.
As such I think she might have been learning how to tease mama from auntie Hayate...
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Not another one...
 
Shaseyu said:
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, that definitely wasn't my intention.

You see, from my standpoint Taylor hopped on board of "the TSAB is great" train the moment she found out about its existence. The attack did hurt, of course, and Taylor started to doubt them, but all doubts were promptly squashed by the Admiral and Dragon in 9.6. As you said:

You're saying Taylor wasn't happy with the TSAB's individual members, but I just don't see it. I just reread 9.14-15 and 9.18 and Taylor looks quite friendly and open with Enforcers. She's not relaxed and completely at ease with them, but, well, they're barely know each other and Taylor is many thing, but not an easygoing person. That didn't stop her from wandering around the TSAB ship without fear that random soldier overreact and attack her, ogling Erga's abs or eating ice-cream with Teana.
The closest thing I saw to Taylor be 'not totally happy' with Enforcers is Taylor's refusal to use Teana first name after she asked, but considering topics of their conversation (Endbringers and inevitable collapse of Earth-Bet civilisation) I think it's absolutely understandable.
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Taylor is basically just doing what we want. While we aren't happy with the TSAB for actually nearly killing Taylor, the mistake they made was understandable and they're apologetic about it. Since we're looking to get the TSAB to deal with the Endbringers as our strategy completing the quest, we've decided that holding a grudge isn't in our interests. Since we're not really holding a grudge against them, Taylor isn't either.

I consider it an acceptable outcome for Taylor to essentially sell herself to the TSAB in exchange for the TSAB dealing with the Endbringers and giving some general (if possibly covert) aid to Earth Bet to help stabilize society there.
 
13th Fleet said:
I consider it an acceptable outcome for Taylor to essentially sell herself to the TSAB in exchange for the TSAB dealing with the Endbringers and giving some general (if possibly covert) aid to Earth Bet to help stabilize society there.
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I... wouldn't be against such a deal, but seriously doubt it's possible.
The TSAB quite adamantly told us that everything except Endbringers is Earth-Bet's internal matters they won't interfere.

What kind of covert help you think they can provide?
Give some magitech to strengthen the PRT? That's just helps USA and unsettles the international balance of power.
Topple the worst African warlords? That's just unsettles the African balance of power.
Cripple the most powerful villain organisations, like Fallen and Gesellschaft? That's just unsettles the balance of power amongst villains and cause the gang war.

I expect all they can offer is a personal comfort for Taylor and maybe some of her friends. "To offer us the chance to be part of a wider society we never knew existed", as the Admiral said. I personally consider such an offer too measly.
 
Shaseyu said:
I expect all they can offer is a personal comfort for Taylor and maybe some of her friends. "To offer us the chance to be part of a wider society we never knew existed", as the Admiral said. I personally consider such an offer too measly.
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Then what is good enough for you, while still being something the TSAB is willing to offer? It's already been said they are (understandably, imo) not wanting to step into a political environment of hundreds of squabbling regional governments.
 
Shaseyu said:
I... wouldn't be against such a deal, but seriously doubt it's possible.
The TSAB quite adamantly told us that everything except Endbringers is Earth-Bet's internal matters they won't interfere.

What kind of covert help you think they can provide?
Give some magitech to strengthen the PRT? That's just helps USA and unsettles the international balance of power.
Topple the worst African warlords? That's just unsettles the African balance of power.
Cripple the most powerful villain organisations, like Fallen and Gesellschaft? That's just unsettles the balance of power amongst villains and cause the gang war.

I expect all they can offer is a personal comfort for Taylor and maybe some of her friends. "To offer us the chance to be part of a wider society we never knew existed", as the Admiral said. I personally consider such an offer too measly.
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landcollector said:
Then what is good enough for you, while still being something the TSAB is willing to offer? It's already been said they are (understandably, imo) not wanting to step into a political environment of hundreds of squabbling regional governments.
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This is my question as well. The main reason I don't pay much attention to these complaints you make is that you never offer alternatives or suggestions of your own.
 
Shaseyu said:
I personally consider such an offer too measly.
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What exactly could they do? I mean, I assume you don't want them to invade and annex Earth Bet, which is what would be required to police the entire planet. They're not going to give aid to one faction or another because this is not their world and they aren't kingmakers. There is no truly international police agency that they could send officers to assist, and again if they sent enough to actually significantly help it would be an invasion, not a police action.

So tell me. If you had complete control of the TSAB, what would you do in this scenario?
 
Shaseyu said:
> A Lost Logia activates on a low-magic world, giving weird poorly understood powers to damaged people. Most of them promptly use them to commit crimes, slowly tearing civilisation apart.
The TSAB: "That's definitely not our business. They will sort it out themselves."

> A Lost Logia activates on a low-magic world, giving powerful magic with textbooks on it to one (damaged) girl.
The TSAB: "That's definitely our business. We should recruit her ASAP, she'll be much more useful for us than for these barbarians."
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SirKaid said:
What exactly could they do? I mean, I assume you don't want them to invade and annex Earth Bet, which is what would be required to police the entire planet. They're not going to give aid to one faction or another because this is not their world and they aren't kingmakers. There is no truly international police agency that they could send officers to assist, and again if they sent enough to actually significantly help it would be an invasion, not a police action.

So tell me. If you had complete control of the TSAB, what would you do in this scenario?
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You beat me to it. The crucial (and obvious) difference between the two situations is scale. Parahumans are fundamental to every aspect of society on earth bet, everywhere on the planet. Regardless of the damage they're doing to society there's no 'solution' to their presence that doesn't involve what would basically be an invasion - and a stupendously ugly and messy one at that, fought planet wide, with superpowers, among dozens if not hundreds of different factions. Would civilisation on Earth Bet even survive that? The TSAB are smart enough to see that their intervention might well make things worse, that it's not their place to artificially determine the societal evolution of another planet and they couldn't do it without diverting massive resources from work that they are actually responsible for anyway.

Taylor on the other hand is a single individual on Earth Bet and while she's starting to become a high profile member of their society, her leaving, if she chose to do so, isn't going to massively divert the course of their civilisation. And I don't recall any commentary about 'barbarians'. The TSAB have some self interest in recruiting Taylor, but they also honestly feel that she'd be better off in a society where there are lots of other people who share her experience of being a magic user as opposed to being almost the only magic user on the planet, when magic use is quite central in her own life. It's an ethnocentric viewpoint, but they're not wrong to at least want to offer her the choice.


By the way Silently Watches, props to you for a fun, generally well run and very well written quest. I've really enjoyed reading through it the last several days.
 
Silently Watches said:
This is my question as well. The main reason I don't pay much attention to these complaints you make is that you never offer alternatives or suggestions of your own.
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If they've any illusion magic then they can pull the whole "aliens" thing, broadcast to earth a first contact package with the defeat of the endbringers. Existential terror, confusion (and once they translate the thing, hope) could work well enough. Anything that casually annihilates an endbringer would get humanity willing to work together in defense from.

This suggestion is mostly because a) it's low investment b) it shouldn't be TOO hard to negotiate given such things in scifi typically form the one world order and it'd be an interesting experiment to them, and c) I'm fond of psych-out plot events.

Personally I'd have them come back in a couple of years and release a swarm of "pets for everyone" and "honored teacher" UD's, but that's something they definitely wouldn't do.
 
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Considering human nature, simply telling the world that "don't worry, the interdimensional military totally has your planets best interests in mind" doesn't strike me as a smart thing to do.
 
landcollector said:
Then what is good enough for you, while still being something the TSAB is willing to offer?
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Silently Watches said:
This is my question as well. The main reason I don't pay much attention to these complaints you make is that you never offer alternatives or suggestions of your own.
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Huh. Apparently I was under wrong impression that my position is obvious enough and so I never bothered to spell it clearly.

I want Earth-Bet reformed, parahuman feudalism quashed, law and order restored, standard of living improved.
I see proliferation of magic and magitech as the best way to achieve these goals.
I don't believe the TSAB is willing to help with that, therefore I don't want Taylor to join them.

The TSAB already decided Taylor won't be killed/arrested/forced into service/separated from IAE, and they already decided to help kill Endbringers. It's good enough for me. Now I want for them to kill Endbringers and leave. And if they actually directly ask Taylor to join I want her to say no.
Earth-Bet is a mess, and as Enforcers pointed it's its internal matters. If natives want their world wasn't a mess, they should deal with it themselves. Well, Taylor is a native and in the best position to actually do something about it. So I want Taylor to stay and do it. That would be long, difficult, gruesome work for sure, but I don't believe anyone else can do it. And Taylor and Alexandria have good chances to live long enough to see fruits of their labour.

If the TSAB leave us a radio so we could talk with them occasionally and call them if some other Lost Logia appear, that would be good.
If Taylor has a way to visit the TSAB planets as a tourist, that would be wonderful.
If the TSAB actually sends scientists for covert research of parahuman phenomenons and society in flux, and we manage to strike a deal with them, help with cover in exchange of consultations, that would be excellent.
But all of that is not essential, what is important is that the TSAB maintains hands-off approach as they promised.

What I want in the end, is that in a century or three Earth-Bet was a centre of New Galean the Federation of United Earths, developed enough to join the TSAB or strong enough to stand alone.
 
On the subject of space travel vs dimensional travel; it's a some what novel note that this sorta thing is one possible solution to the Fermi Paradox. Megacivilizations should be very noticeable, but we can't see any, anywhere. But if they can step sideways to expand then there is no reason to move offworld or build things like Dyson spheres.

On the current subject;
Shaseyu said:
I want Earth-Bet reformed, parahuman feudalism quashed, law and order restored, standard of living improved.
I see proliferation of magic and magitech as the best way to achieve these goals.
I don't believe the TSAB is willing to help with that, therefore I don't want Taylor to join them.
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Sounds like things we could accomplish by ruling the world. :whistle:
 
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Shaseyu said:
Huh. Apparently I was under wrong impression that my position is obvious enough and so I never bothered to spell it clearly.

I want Earth-Bet reformed, parahuman feudalism quashed, law and order restored, standard of living improved.
I see proliferation of magic and magitech as the best way to achieve these goals.
I don't believe the TSAB is willing to help with that, therefore I don't want Taylor to join them.
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So, unreasonable demands it is, then. Pity.
 
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