This came up awhile back, IIRC. The answer was that due to the nature of Dragon being a Shard-created AI who also has a shard in her code, converting her into a device would be a bad idea, if not outright impossible.
Uh... what story do you think you're reading?
? You misunderstand the situation imo. The Warehouse option is not "running and hiding" it's trying to remove a Damocles Sword from remaining over ours and Dragon's heads.
To many thoughts at once and I jumbled my explanation. I meant that after taking down and capturing the mage we turn him over to the PRT (or the police since the Dragonslayers are non capes) and the other DS who left after their companion disappeared realising this is a trap decide to break him out. If they decide that there is nothing to take and don't have a way to free their companion right away they wont stay and let us shot them. They are to mercenary for that. Fighting for fighting sake isn't their style. Maybe I read to much fanfiction since reading Worm but I can't get the "revolving door prisons" cliche out of my head.
Let's be frank here, while we may be a handy Blaster type in a fight, we're not going to make that big a difference against Behemoth.
True, but also not terribly relevant. That little bit of info is bait to lure in Saint's crew and remove the threat they represent.
Why would we turn said mage over to the PRT? It would make more sense to portal her to the Privateers and have them hold her for a while, or as I said, move her to another dimension entirely.
No, not yet you didn't. Consider it an extension of your usual 24-hour moratorium on votes for the fight in front of us.
Ummm. Teleport under them, shoot at them - the attack goes into cosmos, and not into the city block.
Wonder what those are?
Taking a Solar Wrath to the face did not disable Cadejo for one reason - he was a fucking breaker whose flesh was immaterial and not affected. Saint and his cronies are flesh and blood within advanced tin cans, even if the armor isn't broken, they will receive enough to knock them unconscious.
I'm pretty down with this plan, with the concession that we un-armour and imprison the mage elsewhere before we go back to fight Saint. That way, even if we don't get Saint himself, we've got the Mage secured somewhere.Hoo boy, that's a lot of things to go through. Right. First things first:
[x] Stay at the warehouse – You could say you trust the Dragonslayers not to go after the radio while you're in Ukraine, but that would be a massive lie. You'd bet money they're headed this way. Time to catch a rat.
[x] Come with you
No, not yet you didn't. Consider it an extension of your usual 24-hour moratorium on votes for the fight in front of us.
Now. Here's what I posted yesterday.
Since Samantha is hopefully staying with us, let's check her previous match up.
- Dragonslayers: Assume we're getting all three suits that were there before, and Sybaris. You know, the surveillance drone toting urban combat designed mech. There's going to be a total of four opponents, in an urban area, some of them magical and some of them aren't. And we've been told last time around, that their numbers tell. We can't reliably defeat them alone in a straight up fight. EDIT: In CQC that is.
- Dragonslayers - suggested tactics: One of the more tactically sound decisions is to drop a Recursion Field on them, and fry the ass of their mage afterwards. Divide and Conquer. Non-lethal Solar Wrath, followed up with lethal Rust Shooters to make the suit inoperable, or something like that. Then move out and Non-lethal Solar Wrath the Sybaris. 2 to 1 odds are suddenly much better. EDIT: With Samantha here, it'll be 2 on 2, and we can probably count on getting the first shot in. Again, Sybaris is the priority target if it appears, because it's defense-oriented and can hobble our harrassing tactics.
- Dragonslayers can ruin your day with: Sybaris laying down suppressive fire, missiles and other tinkertech-based firepower. They can also notice you coming via Sybaris and its drones.
Right. So she got into a protracted wrestling conflict and was disabled. Clearly, the tactics we need to assign her should rely on hit-and-run and suprsise teleports to strike with her spear, cut off parts of the enemy mechs, then disengage promptly. Harrassing, in other words.
Right. My response. I have no idea why you think Solar Wrath outside of Recursion field is not a thing. So long as we are shooting from below, or from directly above, chances of inflicting meaningful collateral damage are greatly reduced. Since I'm assuming we're getting the first shot in, we stand a decent chance of making one of their suits drop from the onset, at the cost of making it blatantly obvious someone is toting city-block-destroying firepower.Ummm. Teleport under them, shoot at them - the attack goes into cosmos, and not into the city block.
Wonder what those are?
Taking a Solar Wrath to the face did not disable Cadejo for one reason - he was a fucking breaker whose flesh was immaterial and not affected. Saint and his cronies are flesh and blood within advanced tin cans, even if the armor isn't broken, they will receive enough to knock them unconscious.
Casting Recursion Field, especially if it's Samantha who's casting it, is highly beneficial. It allows us to both separate their mage for a good 2-on-1 beatdown (and cartridge-enhanced Solar Wrath is very much a thing, and probably increases casting speed)... AND give the Dragonslayers the incentive to stay relatively close while we're otherwise busy, because their teammate suddenly disappeared. Smash the mage and his mech with another Solar Wrath, relocate, and drop the field.
Use WAS (that I hope is still running) to locate the remaining Dragonslayers, and (in accordance with Silently's effect on it) Temporal Sludge them both with cartridge assistance. From here on it's two more Solar Wraths to knock them unconscious, and after that the only thing left is to peel the Dragonslayers from their tin cans.
Correction. From that moment you need to gather the suits and teleport them to some kind of temporary holding area - it wouldn't do for Dragonslayers to escape, or for you to be caught doing shenanigans during the Endbringer Truce. So we'll have to be quick about it.
These are all good reasons in character, but hasn't it already been established that the reason we missed so many things is because we don't think things through?
It's more the fact that we have a pretty pressing need to keep magic a secret, which giving said mage to the PRT seems like a wonderful way to not do that.
The Dragonslayers only number 3, FYI.
That's actually misrepresentative of you. The Dragonslayers are harming, and can kill, Dragon. They are not small time. Dragon unchained, or at least not hampered by Saint, is basically the best thing that can happen to this world short of the entire TSAB showing up on Earth Bet at once.
Read the QM comments. It's been long-established why we can't use Recursion Field for Endbringer fights without more mages. We'd need at least four to make it happen given the EB's dimensional mass shenanigans. That a supposed long-time lurker missed that is... concerning.
…Intangibility works the same as power armor?
Are you sure you aren't thinking of Alchemical Solutions and converting her into a Machine Spirit? This is the first time anyone's asked about transforming Dragon.
What an interesting question.
Which is why I've since walked back on that post.
Actually, I did. Way, way back:
And you gave the same answer:
What an interesting question.
The big hurdle would be finding a Tinker who would be able to build a transfer device and re-coder. If only there was somebody who could be trusted with Dragon's secret and knows her way around computer coding…
And, you know, there wasn't someone who'd gank Dragon without hesitation if she even hinted at transcending her programmer's limits.
So I was wrong.
…Intangibility works the same as power armor?
Are you sure you aren't thinking of Alchemical Solutions and converting her into a Machine Spirit? This is the first time anyone's asked about transforming Dragon.
What an interesting question.
The big hurdle would be finding a Tinker who would be able to build a transfer device and re-coder. If only there was somebody who could be trusted with Dragon's secret and knows her way around computer coding…
And, you know, there wasn't someone who'd gank Dragon without hesitation if she even hinted at transcending her programmer's limits.
. Of course there is still the minor detail of them screaming for everyone to hear that dragon is an evil AI..
1. The backdoor and the Dragonslayer base I've already got a few ideas for how to find and get into.- Dragonslayers in custody - Which we might have a chance at accomplishing if we are lucky since the vote seems to be going the way of the Warehouse. I wonder if anyone is planning to vote on the staying with Privateers or if everyone forgot that option existed
- Backdoor into Dragon system created by Richter to keep watch on her - that the Dragonslayer keep at their base and which we might have a chance at recovering if Dragon can search for their base without Saint looking over her metaphorical shoulder. And Tim could most likely use it since he is basically an AI Tinker thanks to his skills. We just would have to recover it before the PRT. Dragon most likely can't recover it due to hard coded restrictions that might make her not even "see" the thing.
- With the programming tools and codes Richter left we shouldn't end up triggering Dragon's aggressive response to changing her code. If we can't get them then we need some other way to overcome the automated response.
- We can already convert Tinkertech into Nanoha Magitech thanks to Digital Blueprints so converting a Tinker-created AI to Unison Device AI isn't out of the question. With Exotic Physics I can't see any problems with keeping the connection Dragon's shard since the shard itself somehow can reconnect to Dragon after being restored from backup. The Shard might even be happier if it doesn't have to constantly reconnect. I know I'm irritated when my internet connection goes down when I'm using it
- We need to have Dragon's trust which our interactions up to now started building and getting rid of Dragonslayers would be a large step in getting.
*recalls that Unison Devices look either like fairies or older children*
You had to put that image into my head. Thou are evil.
If anything can get Colin going, its efficiency
Not to mention miniaturization
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Needs to go back to the TSAB. It used to belong to someone else, and it's part of their personal effects. If we want to make non-template devices, we have Tim.
