Well, until he passes off the injury to a most unfortunate alt-verse Missy Biron anyway.
Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)
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Always Late
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Uh... the YG was never mentioned. Not sure where you're getting 'we're gonna get SANCTONS'. Feels a bit like fearmongering, even as I know that's not your intent.
I think what's happening here is that you're mistaking @Silently Watches WOG on how the PRT would take the arm offer as some objective, third-party, OOC statement. That was all the PRT's opinion based on their very limited information. They don't know that our arm doesn't need maintenance.
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With all the debating that is going on, I'm starting to wish SW hadn't mentioned anything about the PRT rejecting the arm until we actually tried to give it to Vista.
DonLyn
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Teleport and Dimensional Transfer have Recursion Field as a prerequisite. Since he doesn't have it yet they're not visible on his skill tree.
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I assume.
I do not recall, have we scanned Vista to see if she has a linker core?
If she does, couldn't Tim make her a single permanent arm that would be able to tap into her own mana to grow with her ala dimensional shenanigans? Or just magiteck shenanigan's in general for any arm we have him make her so that it could grow with her? I mean, yes a device is way more complex but given how it's bigger on the inside like the Tardis I would think you could build an arm similarly and much more simply so that even if it requires its own mana generator to function it could grow with its user.
If she does, couldn't Tim make her a single permanent arm that would be able to tap into her own mana to grow with her ala dimensional shenanigans? Or just magiteck shenanigan's in general for any arm we have him make her so that it could grow with her? I mean, yes a device is way more complex but given how it's bigger on the inside like the Tardis I would think you could build an arm similarly and much more simply so that even if it requires its own mana generator to function it could grow with its user.
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Or back when it was being debated.
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1. Perfect Storm isn't exactly a standard device in regards to the mass shifting TARDIS shenanigans.
2. Given @Silently Watches mentioned that the arm would need to be tailored to Missy as she grew, I don't think that a naturally-growing arm is an option.
3. Something that runs off her own linker core... given that internal mana reactors were needed to make it, I don't think that's an applicable solution either. The Prosthetic would essentially go dead when Missy ran out of magic, which is not ideal.
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Silently Watches
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Not really. Part of its the neural connections, part of it is that magic reacts differently than electricity to different materials.
Not how I expected the vote would go, but it would certainly be fun.
Healers who can restore a missing limb are INCREDIBLY rare. For scapegoat, transferring an amputation crosses several ethical lines. The PRT is getting a little nervous now that they're really testing Panacea's limits.
I foolishly didn't think anyone would suggest handing magitech over to the PRT. I would have said something if I knew this was going to happen.
You haven't scanned Missy, and what she would be able to power from a hypothetical Linker Core depends on its size.
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I take it handing over Magitech to the PRT is kind of a bad idea? I think that given a few people are convinced its the go-to option now, a solid yes-no-and-why answer is warranted.
I'm curious as to how else you saw this working? Kidnapping, doesn't matter if Vista voluntarily comes with us since she's a minor, a child and performing an experimental and unsanctioned operation on her with her guardian's consent is obviously illegal.
I was speaking from the PRT's perspective, where all Tinkertech requires maintenance from the Tinker who made it...and its even true here because Missy is young and will need the limb replaced or modified repeatedly anyways as she grows.
Yes, basically...we force the PRT to make a choice.
Deny Vista the limb we're offering to make this right by her, and the quality of life to her face, risking the Ward going off the reservation(seriously, if Vista abandons ship, the PRT can do basically nothing about it considering her ability), allow it and accept that Vista's wellbeing will depend on the continued existence of the Privateers, or pay huge bucks to get some OTHER questionable healer to fix it for them.
Which in short, would make the PRT rather unhappy, but it's 100% legal, if not really playing fair.
At which point we could probably use it to sell the idea that Tim could build a device to start teaching people how to do the maintenance to overcome reservations, though we can't offer that particular stunt yet..
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I think boiling water is metaphorical representation of Behemoth and Leviathan. They don't have personality, so we saw them as forces of nature. Still, they are connected with each other and with Ziz, who's really bothered by this connection.
Canon Combat Cyborgs made it work somehow, so growing cybernetic should be possible.
On the other hand, they were genetically engineered specifically for augmentation...
Subaru and Ginga required repeated visits to the hospital to recalibrate their prosthetics as they grow up. Apparently the magic meant they didn't need to do an outright replacement(since part of the prosthetic is probably stored dimensionally and unpacked as they aged), but it does need adjustments. Cybering up a preteen is complicated like that.
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Then by that logic, Wards can't get normal prosthetics because, guess what, those need to be changed repeatedly as the child grows. So that would make normal, conventional prosthetics Tinkertech from normal doctors, who are now suddenly Tinkers.
You're really misunderstanding what Silently Watches stated, Veekie.
EDIT: Forgot to link my citations, apologies.
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Kidnapping is such an excessive thing, even before you get into any of the squishiness of "family gone, now a ward of a wide-ranging combatant... also a child combatant themselves who patrols alone." What do they normally do if Militia has to travel to another city for something, just bring Vista along? Or do Wards have a barracks of sorts they can use in such cases?
But nah really, it... depends how old they think Calamity is, now I remember. Isn't she technically registered as an adult? Was going to suggest arranging some sort of camping trip/sleepover thing "to let the two reconnect", some sort of expected excuse where Missy would be gone for the needed 1-3 days (depends if the post-surgery recovery needs to be in a hospital-equivalent bed, or if she coould leave earlier if pressed). Contact Vista , suggest the option and possible issues, and remind her she's got a teleporter friend.
The thing about PRC reaction is that yes its likely terribly illegal... normally... but then so is vigilantism and half the crap Militia conjures up and a dozen other cape activities. Coming back with an organic, not-combat-modded prosthetic is probably even a good thing in that sense as its not like she's delving into cyberpunk irrationally, just finding a doctor the PRC couldn't. Why even tell them its magitek sooner than needed, are they going to ask to pull it off and study it when she shows up having a new arm? Because once she's there, already fixed, its like SW said or implied... are they really going to tell this loyal, wounded-in-action preteen "Sorry but for maybe possibly your own good we're going to rip your arm off", or are they going to whistle loudly and pointedly look elsewhere and maybe keep an extra eye on her for a while?
If we do run with the "take a trip with Vista, come back healed, do you really want to ask questions?" route, mainly need to figure out how the timeline works out (which is a bit premature before we see results of the gang war and any activity options). With Tim starting his crafting week partway through or just after Taylor's first action week, would he be able to finish the surgery suite before the relevant part of a week 1 Hangout, or would it have to wait for Week 2?
But nah really, it... depends how old they think Calamity is, now I remember. Isn't she technically registered as an adult? Was going to suggest arranging some sort of camping trip/sleepover thing "to let the two reconnect", some sort of expected excuse where Missy would be gone for the needed 1-3 days (depends if the post-surgery recovery needs to be in a hospital-equivalent bed, or if she coould leave earlier if pressed). Contact Vista , suggest the option and possible issues, and remind her she's got a teleporter friend.
The thing about PRC reaction is that yes its likely terribly illegal... normally... but then so is vigilantism and half the crap Militia conjures up and a dozen other cape activities. Coming back with an organic, not-combat-modded prosthetic is probably even a good thing in that sense as its not like she's delving into cyberpunk irrationally, just finding a doctor the PRC couldn't. Why even tell them its magitek sooner than needed, are they going to ask to pull it off and study it when she shows up having a new arm? Because once she's there, already fixed, its like SW said or implied... are they really going to tell this loyal, wounded-in-action preteen "Sorry but for maybe possibly your own good we're going to rip your arm off", or are they going to whistle loudly and pointedly look elsewhere and maybe keep an extra eye on her for a while?
If we do run with the "take a trip with Vista, come back healed, do you really want to ask questions?" route, mainly need to figure out how the timeline works out (which is a bit premature before we see results of the gang war and any activity options). With Tim starting his crafting week partway through or just after Taylor's first action week, would he be able to finish the surgery suite before the relevant part of a week 1 Hangout, or would it have to wait for Week 2?
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@Silently Watches, is this kind of micro-scheduling possible?
Dude. PRT perspective. They can and will replace a normal prosthetic because they can change doctors, a normal prosthetic does not give the doctor any leverage. Tinkers, generally speaking only the original Tinker can keep it working at all, while alternatives are possible, they aren't reliable.
They do not know anything about magitech prosthetics, nor would they believe us about being the exception because why would they?
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That's different than what you said before. You're essentially re-quoting SW now.
There's a difference between saying 'Any maintenance is rejected because its Tinkertech' and 'Any maitenance that has to come through a single individual is rejected because that's tinkertech'. See the issue?
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Not really a BAD idea so much as that it's a waste. A waste of the PRT's time and resources because they don't have the information to understand it, a waste of Tim's time and resources because they can't use it, and a waste of your time (which is your resource) because between assuming it's Tinker bullshit and believing your claims of magic they'll always go with Tinker bullshit.
"Kidnapping" is going a bit far. She's coming to us and then leaving, and we aren't offering her any habitation. The rest, you start balancing issues of "Did Shipwright know we would disapprove of his actions?", "Did Shipwright act in good faith?", and "How far are we willing to prosecute a group of heroes over this, up to and including the risk of turning an ally into an enemy?".
Wait, I think I see where you're getting the kidnapping idea from.
Implanting the reactor and connector is a day surgery procedure like a lot of orthopedics cases are. She would tell the PRT that she needs a personal day, arrive in the morning, have the surgery, and leave in the afternoon. Then it would be a matter of coming back for check ups and a little boost to scarification for the next couple of days before fitting the prosthetic.
It depends a lot on the questions I posed above. If Tim can plausibly answer no to the first and yes to the second, the PRT's answer to the third would be a stern warning that this is not how Tinkers should operate for reasons A, B, C, and D. If he CAN'T answer no to the first, such as because he's already asked and been refused, the PRT will go farther in expressing their displeasure because it is no longer a friendly Tinker over-enthusiastically helping.
Let me worry about scheduling. I can play with a lot of time issues off-screen.
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Hm. You raise a good point, but unless we want to be used as a battery again, Tim's got some builds ahead of him before we can think about searching for a potential mage to make an IE-template Device.
Point about the battery thing, but we already have Lacy in reserve for either IE or EK, most likely the former.
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A support mage would fit in the Privateers fairly well and would give us the full set of templates. I imagine if Tim can build intelligent devices, Perfect Storm could install templates into them rather then having to salvage parts to do so.
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*sigh*
For the last time, only Perfect Storm can build Template Devices. No, you can't make the parts for them, at most you can build a power generator and put that into the IAE instead of using Taylor like a human battery.
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Pretty sure SW's said that an intelligent device or better built by Tim WOULD make it so PS didn't need to use as many pieces of itself, which would cut down on recovery time (few days instead of 3 weeks) before we could make another.
Note, that just cuts down how long until we can make another template device, it doesn't do anything abut using Taylor as a battery,
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For the love of... Look, the only thing that can affect the making of Templates is a Mana source- Making our own parts? The materials for them aren't available on Bet, we have to wait. There's been enough discussion about this, either read the thread or check the FAQ.