Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

It's looking more and more like trying to get Aster out of BB is going to be almost impossible for us right now in a way that get's Purity to back off.
Teleporting them to another world does that, and no PRT problems to boot.
using dimensional transfer takes concentration, something that will make faking their deaths even harder (not counting the fact that Purity is not with Aster on her arms and I doubt that Taylor could simply get her).
1. Again, how are people going to disprove our claims that we killed Purity? They can't.
2. We take the field down and go get Aster. I thought that was implied, given the first option involves going to her.
I know the core doesn't protect her by itself, but if we can cause her to do SOMETHING capey, they have to treat her like a cape, right? I'm not saying they'd auto-clear her, I'm saying we can make them use the existing procedure and bring in a precog.
Except we just spent a bunch of time proving to Dragon we're not a cape.
 
I know the core doesn't protect her by itself, but if we can cause her to do SOMETHING capey, they have to treat her like a cape, right? I'm not saying they'd auto-clear her, I'm saying we can make them use the existing procedure and bring in a precog.
She isn't even a year old, so it isn't like you could teach her a spell to do. I'd… maybe let this happen spontaneously like you seem to think you can do, but only if she rolled a Rare Skill, and between chances of having a Linker Core and chances of having the genes for a Rare Skill and the power necessary to manifest it, you're looking at 1 in 2,000 odds for that plan to succeed.
 
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Teleporting them to another world does that, and no PRT problems to boot.

1. Again, how are people going to disprove our claims that we killed Purity? They can't.
2. We take the field down and go get Aster. I thought that was implied, given the first option involves going to her.

Except we just spent a bunch of time proving to Dragon we're not a cape.
We proved we're not a PARAHUMAN. We effectively proved that there is an alternate way to be a cape, which we are the foremost expert on.
 
What Ziz-bomb? Prove Purity and her baby's alive.
"Yes, of course, Calamity. We totally believe that after short conversation with you Purity decided to die together with her daughter by letting you teleport them in space. And you, cape who never kill anyone except these unintellegent Beasts, agreed to kill her and little baby. We of course will not treat you differently because of this. We are not suspect anything."
 
We proved we're not a PARAHUMAN. We effectively proved that there is an alternate way to be a cape, which we are the foremost expert on.
Parauman=cape.
And besides, SW's already explained it's Device+Reveal+Unlocking or the highway.
"Yes, of course, Calamity. We totally believe that after short conversation with you Purity decided to die together with her daughter by letting you teleport them in space. And you, cape who never kill anyone except these unintellegent Beasts, agreed to kill her and little baby and. We of course will not treat you differently because of this. We are not suspect anything."
In the United States, suspicions are different that proof. I understand you're from Russia, and thus have lived a different police and legal system, but that's not how the US, Worm or otherwise, does their work.
And the PRT don't know about the 'only kill the beasts' part of Calamity's character.
 
Teleporting them to another world does that, and no PRT problems to boot.

1. Again, how are people going to disprove our claims that we killed Purity? They can't.
2. We take the field down and go get Aster. I thought that was implied, given the first option involves going to her.

Except we just spent a bunch of time proving to Dragon we're not a cape.

Okay, can you remind me how dimensional transfer work? Do we choose were they are thrown into or are they thrown in a random world? Also, if we do follow with this will we be leaving them in said world or will we bring them back to earth Beth if Purity askes us?
 
Okay, can you remind me how dimensional transfer work? Do we choose were they are thrown into or are they thrown in a random world? Also, if we do follow with this will we be leaving them in said world or will we bring them back to earth Beth if Purity askes us?
Mages get to choose where they go. We're not spinning the dice on them ending up on a Earth with no atmosphere. If it was randomized, the TSAB wouldn't exist. As for Purity coming back... why would she? There's no Max, no E88, no record of her being in a containment zone, nobody knows she's a villain. If she really does want to go back, that'd be something to figure out if she asks us. As we don't have a radio, it'd be 'X location at Y date' teleportation.
 
In the United States, suspicions are different that proof. I understand you're from Russia, and thus have lived a different police and legal system, but that's not how the US, Worm or otherwise, does their work.
You will be surprised, but in Russia suspicions are not proof too. But it's the reason to seek this proof.
And it's the reason to be less friendly and open with suspect.


And the PRT don't know about the 'only kill the beasts' part of Calamity's character.
"Do not kill" is one of the normal capes rules. Calamity is registered independent hero.
It's expected of her to not kill unless it's absolutely necessarry. And it's expected of her to call PRT if such occurence was happened.
But Calamity never call PRT to collect body of some villain.
So, either she never killed, or she's hiding her kills like. In that case she's no better than Gavel or Shadow Stalker.
 
She isn't even a year old, so it isn't like you could teach her a spell to do. I'd… maybe let this happen spontaneously like you seem to think you can do, but only if she rolled a Rare Skill, and between chances of having a Linker Core and chances of having the genes for a Rare Skill and the power necessary to manifest it, you're looking at 1 in 2,000 odds for that plan to succeed.
If Purity and Aster are in quarantine when the Midchildans arrive, can we get them remanded if Aster has an awakened core?
 
You will be surprised, but in Russia suspicions are not proof too. But it's the reason to seek this proof.
And it's the reason to be less friendly and open with suspect.
Getting said proof would mean spending millions of dollars and manhours sweeping the vastness of space with telescopes or launching new satellites to confirm the bodies of two person. In the outnumbered-three-to-one Protectorate/PRT, that's not going to make it past Congress.
And having no good reason to suspect someone is very frowned upon in performance reviews.
"Do not kill" is one of the normal capes rules. Calamity is registered independent hero.
It's expected of her to not kill unless it's absolutely necessarry. And it's expected of her to call PRT if such occurence was happened.
But Calamity never call PRT to collect body of some villain.
So, either she never killed, or she's hiding her kills like. In that case she's no better than Gavel or Shadow Stalker.
Shadow Stalker is a Ward. They let her keep working with them and covered her ass for those murders/other bad behavior, so that part actually works against you.
If Purity and Aster are in quarantine when the Midchildans arrive, can we get them remanded if Aster has an awakened core?
They'd probably want everyone in the containment zone, because Death Camps.
 
[X] Continue the fight – Purity had her reasons, but they aren't good enough to justify her actions. Defeat the villains and drag them back to Brockton Bay so they can be properly cleared. She's probably exaggerating the restrictions out of panic, and she isn't the only one with a sob story.

Let them go through the proper process WHILE we can do some casual asking on how children get cleared from the quarantine.
With a further addendum? This whole chain of logic she's working with sounds exactly like some hearsay spreading inside the quarantine. It would have elements of truth in it, but the people hearing it are desperate, not very rational and Simurgh Nudged to make the worst decisions. The way heroes got priority on being cleared also means that there's basically nobody inside the quarantine who knows shit all about actual legal and PRT procedures.

So instead of doing the logical thing, getting cleared, trying to clear her daughter, BEFORE staging a breakout...she goes for a breakout right now, and spends the rest of her life on the run from the PRT, ensuring villainy.
 
Okay, can you remind me how dimensional transfer work? Do we choose were they are thrown into or are they thrown in a random world?
You can choose to go to a world you know about, which means Earth Aleph or… Earth Aleph, or you can go to another dimension at random. It would be extremely unlikely to find a world that is inimical to life for somebody wearing a Barrier Jacket.
If Purity and Aster are in quarantine when the Midchildans arrive, can we get them remanded if Aster has an awakened core?
Okay, I'm done trying to puzzle out what you're talking about here. What the hell do you mean by "awakened core"? There is no such thing. There is a Linker Core. Either it is being used or it is not, but neither of those change the Core itself in the slightest. There is no switch you can flip and say "Oh, she has magic powers now!". The only way for magic to be expressed is for a potential mage to learn how to cast a spell, whether that be with a Device or without.

tl;dr: NO.
 
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Your comparison makes no sense.
It was @Always Late idea that "PRT don't know about the 'only kill the beasts' part of Calamity's character".
I found this idea outlandish and replied that heroes are expected to not kill and PRT don't let heroes to kill without repercussion.
I sadly remembered only two examples of that.
And well, if PRT may suspect that Calamity secretly killed someone, why they cannot suspect that she killed civilians?

[X] Continue the fight – Purity had her reasons, but they aren't good enough to justify her actions. Defeat the villains and drag them back to Brockton Bay so they can be properly cleared. She's probably exaggerating the restrictions out of panic, and she isn't the only one with a sob story.

When the TSAB will arrive they probably could scan everyone and sort them out.
Then Purity and Aster and all other people who stuck in quarantine while being harmless will be free.
But if we want to smooth contact we need good relationships with PRT.
And for that would be good to do what they ask and return Purity into quarantine.
 
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You can choose to go to a world you know about, which means Earth Aleph or… Earth Aleph, or you can go to another dimension at random. It would be extremely unlikely to find a world that is inimical to life for somebody wearing a Barrier Jacket.
Uh...
Currently limited to alternate Earths; Aleph, Gimmel, etc.
Are you changing this part of the sheet?
When the TSAB will arrive they probably could scan everyone and sort them out.
Then Purity and Aster and all other people who stuck in carantine while being harmless will be free.
Unless they're dead.
Which they will be.
But if we want to smooth contact we need good relationships with PRT.
Unless the TSAB tells the PRT to fuck off because they're horribly immoral, then we're getting an inter-dimensional military bearing down on us for siding with fascists.
It was @Always Late idea that "PRT don't know about the 'only kill the beasts' part of Calamity's character".
I found this idea outlandish and replied that PRT don't let heroes to kill without repercussion.
Except they do, unless it makes them look bad.
 
Even if we do succeed in using DS on Purity while faking her death (something that I doubt we can manage) and also get Aster to join her we'll then have to worry about the PRT finding out what we did, something that can happen since they might ask for a report on what happened and one of the thinkers might discover us lying about killing Purity.

Other thing to think about is why are we risking so much for Purity? Yes she helped us before but look at what she's doing now. Yes it's for her daughter (and for all that Taylor knows that might be a lie) but she still chose the worst way possible to do it. What you guys who want us to fake her death are asking for is for Taylor to risk all the good reputation that she has with the PRT and her freedom (because the PRT will arrest her if they discover she freed someone from a simugh containment zone without clearance) for a "former villain who when confronted with difficulty decided to get her old gang to make a run for it.
 
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Also worth highlighting: Purity's behavior and logic here is starting to smell increasingly like someone who'd been set up for self-programmed paranoia, making small, reasonable, but self destructive leaps of logic. There's nothing here leading from her escape which would allow her to live a normal life, instead of fleeing, more and more afraid, more desperate and bereft of resources, every day.

IS she a Simurgh Bomb?
She's not crazy now, but the setup is basically ripe for her to get more and more stressed out as she goes. A single mother with top tier blaster powers is not going to be able to make a living while on the run.
 
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Uh...

Are you changing this part of the sheet?
Yeah, I should clarify this. You can only travel to alternate Earths at this time, and as of this part of canon, Earth Aleph is the only alternate Earth the people of Earth Bet know about. Earth Gimmel wasn't 'discovered' until Labyrinth and Scrub put their powers together. You can go to a random dimension as well, but said dimension will be in that subset of "alternate Earth Bets". It'll just be one the people of Aleph and Bet don't know about yet.
 
Even if we do succeed in using DS on Purity whole faking her death (something that I doubt we can manage) and also get Aster to join her we'll then have to worry about the PRT finding out what we did, something that can happen since they might ask for a report on what happened and one of the thinkers might discover us lying about killing Purity.
Unless it's Lisa, it's not going to be straightforward. Nobody as any clue the Think Tank's powers will even reach, say, Earth Aleph. Only Professor Haywire did, and that was just a datastream.
Other thing to think about is why are we risking so much for Purity?
Because the alternative is compromising your morals for a horribly unfair system that doesn't care about us.
What you guys who want us to fake her death are asking for is for Taylor to risk all the good reputation that she has with the PRT
Which is nonexistent since the Vista incident.
her freedom (because the PRT will arrest her if they discover she freed someone from a simugh containment zone without clearance) for a "former villain who when confronted with difficulty decided to get her old gang to make a run for it.
Now that's just false. She broke off from the E88, she's not helping Kaiser. OOC, we know Crusader's head over heels for her, and Night and Fog are mind-broken.
Also worth highlighting: Purity's behavior and logic here is starting to smell increasingly like someone who'd been set up for self-programmed paranoia, making small, reasonable, but self destructive leaps of logic. There's nothing here leading from her escape which would allow her to live a normal life, instead of fleeing, more and more afraid, more desperate and bereft of resources, every day.
Which also comes from the fact the PRT, who were already disinclined to treat people fairly or nicely, will keep hunting her down for escaping from the Containment Zone. That's not unreasonable, that's rather justified.
 
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Even if we do succeed in using DS on Purity while faking her death (something that I doubt we can manage) and also get Aster to join her we'll then have to worry about the PRT finding out what we did, something that can happen since they might ask for a report on what happened and one of the thinkers might discover us lying about killing Purity.

Other thing to think about is why are we risking so much for Purity? Yes she helped us before but look at what she's doing now. Yes it's for her daughter (and for all that Taylor knows that might be a lie) but she still chose the worst way possible to do it. What you guys who want us to fake her death are asking for is for Taylor to risk all the good reputation that she has with the PRT and her freedom (because the PRT will arrest her if they discover she freed someone from a simugh containment zone without clearance) for a "former villain who when confronted with difficulty decided to get her old gang to make a run for it.
Heroes are heroes. At least that's how I would spin it if the voting goes that way.
 
You think everyone is going to still be alive by that point. Hah! Aster's likely to be dead by then, and Kayden would likely follow her in a suicidal rage soon after that. Aster means everything to her.
1) why? If I understand correctly, there are still people in Madison, alive people.
2) so what? There is hundreds of people who will die in quarantine too. Why you care about Purity's child, not about them? Why she should be exception?
3) than it's even more important to create the best working relationships between TSAB and PRT and start scanning as soon as possible.

Unless the TSAB tells the PRT to fuck off because they're horribly immoral, then we're getting an inter-dimensional military bearing down on us for siding with fascists.
I understand you're from USA, and thus have lived a different legal and moral system, which tell you that invade other countries "for their own good" is right thing to do.
Well, it's not.

I'm more-less copying your argument about suspicions and proof here.

Now that's just false. She broke off from the E88, she's not helping Kaiser.
She break out with them.
 
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I understand you're from USA, and thus have lived a different legal and moral system, which tell you that invade other countries "for their own good" is right thing to do.
Now you're just deliberately omitting facts to try to win arguments. Stop that.

1) why? If I understand correctly, there are still people in Madison, alive people.
2) so what? There is hundreds of people who will die in carantine too. Why you care about Purity's child, not about them? Why she should be exception?
I was using Aster and Kayden as examples. Also, it's quarantine, not carantine.
 
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