Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

[X] Help her out – No one ever explained that part of the quarantine procedure to you. Giving her a hand could well mean you going up against the other heroes, though. You'll do it, but she'll need some means of escape that will keep them from just tracking her down again.
-[X] A condition first. She lets us try awakening Aster as a magical girl. If Aster is a cape, they both can be processed properly, and she has no reason not to come quietly.
@Silently Watches, can we even make an infant a magical girl?
Also, something someone on SB said that I found interesting:
If we have Demensional Transfer we could help her out that way.
We can just poof Purity and Aster over to another Earth with a livable atmo, like Aleph.
No PRT bullshit, no potential Ziz-bomb shenanigans, as far as anyone on the Hero side knows we just killed Purity, it's a viable plan!
 
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Ruling a prison is no great shakes in terms of Feel-Good potential.
So, let all innocent people, who were stuck in this prison, die or be enslaved by ravaging druggies?

By that logic, Taylor, Samantha, and Captain should be in the Bay as well.
I actually was a little surprised how fast they gave up the city, which in canon they tried to rebuild so long and painfully.

Letting one baby and a screened cape go is a bigger headache than getting a crowd of civilians and villains back inside containment?
Purity is just an ordinary trouble right now. She's just another runaway, who should be returned into quarantine or be killed.
You are suggesting to make her into an extraordinary trouble - exception to the rules.
Of course, bureaucracy will not like this idea.

We can just poof Purity and Aster over to another Earth with a livable atmo, like Aleph.
No PRT bullshit, no potential Ziz-bomb shenanigans, as far as anyone on the Hero side knows we just killed Purity, it's a viable plan!
Ziz: "Just as planned:evil:"
 
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Eh, we don't have to keep Purity and Aster in other dimension forever. Just enough for them or just Aster (with our help), to move somewhere else from the transport spot, then back. Taylor's family can keep Aster company in house while Purity goes to PRT for screening and asking to join in.
 
Unless you want Kayden to rule atop a mountain of charred corpses, she will suffer that same fate eventually and you know it.

At least she will die as a true hero, not an ex- or not ex-Nazi, who cannot decide who she want to be.

...I probably should clarify: I don't think she deserve to be exception to the rules, I don't think she deserve fighting with PRT.
I want her to return into quarantine and just found good thing she can try there.
 
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At least she will die as a true hero, not an ex- or not ex-Nazi, who cannot decide who she want to be.
That's bunk.

...I probably should clarify: I don't think she deserve to be exception to the rules, I don't think she deserve fighting with PRT.
I want her to return into carantine and just found good thing she can try there.
You don't want exception to rules then? Okay, all the heroes (including us, Samantha, Danny, and the Privateers) need to be shoved back into the BB zone as well then. Fair's fair, right? No exceptions. Your absolutist view does you no favors in this debate.
 
We'd have to conjure up either new IDs or paperwork for their current IDs too, if that idea is deemed viable.
Why? We have no idea how easy or hard it'd be to get new IDs on whatever world's countries we put them on, or even they require IDs for the same things we do.
Good point. Editing.
It's not the best worded, but I'm sure SW won't screw us over too hard for it.


[X] Help her out – No one ever explained that part of the quarantine procedure to you. Giving her a hand could well mean you going up against the other heroes, though. You'll do it, but she'll need some means of escape that will keep them from just tracking her down again.
-[X] A condition first. She lets us try awakening Aster's linker core. If Aster is a cape, they both can be processed properly, and she has no reason not to come quietly.
--[X] If this process fails, we dimensional transfer them somewhere else, and make it look like we killed them.
You don't want exception to rules then? Okay, all the heroes (including us, Samantha, Danny, and the Privateers) need to be shoved back into the BB zone as well then. Fair's fair, right? No exceptions. Your absolutist view does you no favors in this debate.
Indeed. It's not like there's 'good things' to find in the Siberian Gulags.
 
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Letting one baby and a screened cape go is a bigger headache than getting a crowd of civilians and villains back inside containment? This time I'm genuinely questioning your logic here. The PRT is all about getting the best of a bad situation. So long as Genocide hasn't been declared, they should be open to alternative methods under the table.
I'm going to start with this one and move back to the other points as I think it will make more sense that way.

From the way Tagg talked about the Simurgh's attack on Lausanne and the restrictions on Simurgh victims as mentioned in the Migration arc, I got the impression that there was very much a Red Scare/McCarthyism flavor to the aftermath of her attacks. The people of Earth Bet, and the PRT even more so, were terrified down to their bones of what an unchecked Ziz-bomb could and would do, hence why Tagg was allowed to use a bunch of death squads on civilians.

In fact, let me track down that part of the story, one second…
Article:
"Maybe you don't really get what the Birdcage is. See, I hate it. I was in Lausanne in two-thousand two through oh-three. Fought a whole mess of ugly. People that couldn't be reasoned with, people who were hopeless, in the grand scheme of it. Victims, as much as anyone else."

I found myself listening, despite myself.

"We shot them, the people who heard too much of the Simurgh's song, who weren't just walking disaster areas, but who'd listened long enough that they lost something. Men, women and children missing that moral center that people like Miss Militia and I have. Hell, even you've got morals. They didn't. I'm sure you heard about it, you're not that young. Suicide bombers, dirty bombs. Terrorism, if you will. Eleven year olds and old men making their way to Amsterdam or London and opening fire in a crowded area. Just like that."

Tagg slammed his hand down on the metal table, coinciding with the 'that'. I jumped a little, despite myself.

He's just trying to rattle me.

"Once we realized what was happening, we had to act, contain the damage. Contain families. Had to act against people who went home from a day of trying to kill the rest of us and cooked a nice dinner, oblivious to just how fucked they were in the head. People who were otherwise good, who got warped on a fundamental level, left open to the preaching and the incitement of their angrier neighbors. Two years of fighting before we got the word down from on high, that they couldn't rehabilitate the ones they'd captured, the ones who'd listened too long. The poor assholes would play nice until they saw an opportunity, then they'd take it, do as much damage as they could. Two years fighting good people who'd been convinced they had to throw their lives away fighting an enemy that didn't exist. So we closed the perimeter, bombed them out, herded them and gunned them down."
Source: Cell 22.3

Absolutely none of that sounds like calm, reasonable decision making. That sounds like decisions made by people who were beyond paranoid, justified or not, about what the individuals who heard the Simurgh's song would do. Killing likely thousands or even tens of thousands of people (real-world Lausanne had a population of ~130,000 people in 2012) was deemed a better choice than letting them go, all because of the chance that those who had yet to act out were affected and would when they got the opportunity to cause more damage.

So no, letting an unscreened and unscreenable baby go isn't a bigger headache than herding a bunch of civilians and villains back into containment. It's a bigger headache and bigger terror than just killing said baby out of hand, and her mother when Purity inevitably refuses to let that happen. The reason the heroes are trying to bring the civilians back is because it's a hard sell to get a bunch of generally moral people to massacre a large group of potential innocents without allowing to happen the kinds of tragedies that containment and the kill squads were designed to prevent. It's also why I made sure to mention in-story that if the heroes can't beat the villains non-lethally, they were told to kill any escapees who refuse to go along with the plan to put them back in Brockton Bay.
That falls flat because you can't put an infant through psychological screening in the first place. And New Wave doesn't like the PRT/Protectorate because of shit like this.
The fact that infants can't get screened and cleared of being Ziz-bombs is not a point in favor of letting them go. Quite the opposite. Again, the complication is people generally not being willing to support rampant infanticide without a damned good reason.

As for New Wave's dislike/disagreement with the PRT, I believe it had more to do with capes getting special treatment compared to normal humans and having their misdeeds and mistakes swept under the rug. That's what made Victoria's late night accidents and Amy's willingness to cover them up so disturbingly ironic.
Nobody has any proof psychological screening or Thinkers work either, so they tack on the facism to released capes. I don't think the logic you present would work IU, even as propoganda.
We don't know what proof there is or isn't for psychological screening of civilians, but the fact that it's a thing in a world where Tagg's experiences also happened means that it was at least determined to be an appropriate compromise between security of the country at large and the rights of the people who were victims of the Simurgh's attack.
It's for Aster.
If Aster gets out and gets a good life, then it would be In-Character for Kayden to go with it.
If the PRT decides to screw her over, then we fuck them with no lube and you probably get some pissed-off players.
Like I said, you'd just need to convince her that her screening would be fair. If she believes you and the PRT would do right by her, yes, she'd go along with it. It's the convincing itself that could be the sticking point.
 
Why? We have no idea how easy or hard it'd be to get new IDs on whatever world's countries we put them on, or even they require IDs for the same things we do.
Hm. I was thinking under the idea that the alternate Earth we'd place them in would have a similar level of civilization as Earth-Bet (minus rampaging kaiju anyway), which means having ID papers and what-not.
 
You don't want exception to rules then? Okay, all the heroes (including us, Samantha, Danny, and the Privateers) need to be shoved back into the BB zone as well then. Fair's fair, right? No exceptions. Your absolutist view does you no favors in this debate.
I'm not against it.

But what I'm talking about is that in this situation I agree with PRT, and so don't want to quarrel with them or decept them for Purity.
 
If this process fails, we dimensional transfer them somewhere else, and make it look like we killed them.
That would be tricky to pull off since it takes a couple of seconds of concentration to cast Dimensional Transfer and Purity and Aster would need to be touching you while you go with them to their refuge dimension. All teleportation-type spells are "take these people with you when you go" unless you're a support/Boost mage, and even that exception only applies to same-dimension teleportation, not trans-dimensional travel.
 
Absolutely none of that sounds like calm, reasonable decision making. That sounds like decisions made by people who were beyond paranoid, justified or not, about what the individuals who heard the Simurgh's song would do. Killing likely thousands or even tens of thousands of people (real-world Lausanne had a population of ~130,000 people in 2012) was deemed a better choice than letting them go, all because of the chance that those who had yet to act out were affected and would when they got the opportunity to cause more damage.
You're looking at one man's word. A man you yourself say is unhinged. You're taking him as a reliable narrator.
From the way Tagg talked about the Simurgh's attack on Lausanne and the restrictions on Simurgh victims as mentioned in the Migration arc, I got the impression that there was very much a Red Scare/McCarthyism flavor to the aftermath of her attacks. The people of Earth Bet, and the PRT even more so, were terrified down to their bones of what an unchecked Ziz-bomb could and would do, hence why Tagg was allowed to use a bunch of death squads on civilians.
Or there could be more to it, you know.
So no, letting an unscreened and unscreenable baby go isn't a bigger headache than herding a bunch of civilians and villains back into containment.
Either you screen the child when they're old enough, or you admit the psych screenings are ineffective to someone liable to blab it.
That's how its easier.
So you're either OK with fascist oppression and discrimination, or you're contradicting your earlier statements.
Not helping yourself Shas.
That would be tricky to pull off since it takes a couple of seconds of concentration to cast Dimensional Transfer and Purity and Aster would need to be touching you while you go with them to their refuge dimension. All teleportation-type spells are "take these people with you when you go" unless you're a support/Boost mage, and even that exception only applies to same-dimension teleportation, not trans-dimensional travel.
Now that's easy: We say we teleported them into the vacuum of space. What are they going to do? Spend time and money looking for her? Even they don't believe us, she's no longer on Earth, they have more immediate concerns to be paranoid about.
Could activating Aster's linker core be something that might work?
Assuming she even has one once we scan her.
 
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Now that's easy: We say we teleported them into the vacuum of space. What are they going to do? Spend time and money looking for her? Even they don't believe us, she's no longer on Earth, they have more immediate concerns to be paranoid about.

"Hey Calamity Witch, Why'd you teleport a baby into the vacuum of space?"
"I dunno, seems like the sort of thing I'd do."
"..."
"Well I mean I could have shot the baby, but hell, what sort of person would do that?"
 
Could activating Aster's linker core be something that might work?
Heh heh heh heh heh heh.

If she has a Linker Core and if you reveal to the PRT/Protectorate at large that its your technology that protects you and if you're willing to spend 3 days making an infant a Device with the memories of a long-dead alien mage AND if you're willing to deal with the consequences of all the above actions… Sure.
 
Heh heh heh heh heh heh.

If she has a Linker Core and if you reveal to the PRT/Protectorate at large that its your technology that protects you and if you're willing to spend 3 days making an infant a Device with the memories of a long-dead alien mage AND if you're willing to deal with the consequences of all the above actions… Sure.
I more meant, if we awaken her linker core, would the PRT be willing to screen her like a cape?
 
"Hey Calamity Witch, Why'd you teleport a baby into the vacuum of space?"
"I dunno, seems like the sort of thing I'd do."
"..."
"Well I mean I could have shot the baby, but hell, what sort of person would do that?"
It was Purity's last request. She didn't want her baby to die in the containment zone.
Done.
Heh heh heh heh heh heh.

If she has a Linker Core and if you reveal to the PRT/Protectorate at large that its your technology that protects you and if you're willing to spend 3 days making an infant a Device with the memories of a long-dead alien mage AND if you're willing to deal with the consequences of all the above actions… Sure.
... hoo boy.
I more meant, if we awaken her linker core, would the PRT be willing to screen her like a cape?
You missed the point: Making her a mage removes the need for screening because we're revealing we are immune to the Simurgh.
EDIT: Or rather, a mage with a device.
For example, they could deal with this cape who help possible Ziz-bombs to run away from legitimate authorities.
What Ziz-bomb? Prove Purity and her baby's alive.
 
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[X] Help her out – No one ever explained that part of the quarantine procedure to you. Giving her a hand could well mean you going up against the other heroes, though. You'll do it, but she'll need some means of escape that will keep them from just tracking her down again.
-[X] A condition first. She lets us try awakening Aster's linker core. If Aster is a cape, they both can be processed properly, and she has no reason not to come quietly.
--[X] If this process fails, we dimensional transfer them somewhere else, and make it look like we killed them.
 
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It's looking more and more like trying to get Aster out of BB is going to be almost impossible for us right now in a way that get's Purity to back off. Maybe if she agreed to the normal screening that process them we might do it but from the looks of it the only way that we can get her to stop would not be something that the PRT would accept and, frankly speaking I don't want to risk Taylor's good reputation with the heroes to try to save someone who might end up being a ziz bomb and them have it confirmed that she was affected.

[] Help her out – No one ever explained that part of the quarantine procedure to you. Giving her a hand could well mean you going up against the other heroes, though. You'll do it, but she'll need some means of escape that will keep them from just tracking her down again.
-[] A condition first. She lets us try awakening Aster's linker core. If Aster is a cape, they both can be processed properly, and she has no reason not to come quietly.
--[] If this process fails, we dimensional transfer them somewhere else, and make it look like we killed them.

That doesn't work, author just said that it's the device that protects Taylor from ziz mind fuckery, just having a linker core will do nothing for Aster and using dimensional transfer takes concentration, something that will make faking their deaths even harder (not counting the fact that Purity is not with Aster on her arms and I doubt that Taylor could simply get her).
 
Just having a Linker Core does jack shit protecting somebody from telepathy like the Simurgh's, so no, they wouldn't treat her like a cape if you say she has a LC. You would have to actually give her a Device.
I know the core doesn't protect her by itself, but if we can cause her to do SOMETHING capey, they have to treat her like a cape, right? I'm not saying they'd auto-clear her, I'm saying we can make them use the existing procedure and bring in a precog.
 
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