Well let's change that can that be an action
That is easier said than done, to completely reform the skaven you have to get their racial domains which the horned rat holds and he is already a minor god of chaos, then you have to kill the undesirables of the skaven, the skaven population ultra pass the literal billions, the only reason they did not take over the world is because of the constant disagreements and backstabs.
 
Now that we know that animals can be vampirazed we ca use it in the defence of our lands. In water legions of vampiric lamprays in the air swarms of vampire mosqitous almost invisible to the naked eye and that are defences and advantages just on the top of my head.

Also normal beastman are beyond saving but can we make our own versions?
 
grateful for a response but that made nothing clearer?
is that the amount of ppl that need to be drank from and/or killed per turn to keep the vampire pop going or something else?
i did get that vampires needed to feed but i`m asking the mechanics behind the stat?

still with the amount of undead troops we got i waiting for the moment to troop out and take over some shit
5million fodder and just over 1.8 elite undead troops and about halve that again is beast is a stupidly large army.
 
Well let's change that can that be an action
That's one of the worst idea I've ever heard. As the QM explained, trying that is not only difficult, but also time consuming which could have been better spent on something else.
Now that we know that animals can be vampirazed we ca use it in the defence of our lands. In water legions of vampiric lamprays in the air swarms of vampire mosqitous almost invisible to the naked eye and that are defences and advantages just on the top of my head.

Also normal beastman are beyond saving but can we make our own versions?
What do you mean by making our own versions? The only thing I could think of is just killing and adding them into the undead army.
 
Also normal beastman are beyond saving but can we make our own versions?
It is difficult to say, the beastmen happen because they get a nasty case of chaos energy being absorbed into their souls who mutate their bodies.

Creating your own beastmen means giving mortals your godly energy (which passively emit in the warp) which normal mortal souls aren't meant to handle, their bodies would then transform into a primal form.
 
What do you mean by making our own versions? The only thing I could think of is just killing and adding them into the undead army.
I meant vamirazing animals would already give them some benefits make them steonger,faster etc add a bit of mental enhancments with magic and we get chaos free beastmen
 
I meant vamirazing animals would already give them some benefits make them steonger,faster etc add a bit of mental enhancments with magic and we get chaos free beastmen
Hmm....I see where you're going but keep on mind that doing so means that they will have to feed on blood.

If anything, it's just swapping one problem for another.
 
True but these creations should not have our hangups on feeding on animal blood
*shrugs*

Who knows? I prefer to stick with the old and reliable methods. Speaking of old and reliable, I think we should invest in artillery. We have a massive army with half of them being expandable, supported by elite units and monsters but no artillery. We need to fix that soon.
 
grateful for a response but that made nothing clearer?
is that the amount of ppl that need to be drank from and/or killed per turn to keep the vampire pop going or something else?
i did get that vampires needed to feed but i`m asking the mechanics behind the stat?
A normal human produces 1.2-1.5 gallons (or 10 units) of blood in their body, 1 unit of blood has 405-495 mL of blood equivalent of 0.107-0.130 gallons of blood, you have ten thousand humans which would provide the equivalent of 10,000 blood units, to feed your vampires.

I am using real world statistics here because it is way more easier.
 
so its unit of bloods take needed.
not number of say death per year because of draining blood or whatever cool
not sure how many pops we got but with the amount of blood we are taking V the number of vampire around right now i thing supply will last for a good while.
 
What about the rats surly they are not all facist and evil
The Skaven are racial supremacists even compared to the Dark Elves, industrial horror on the level of Chaos Dwarves (with less OSHA compliance) and treat each other worse on a personal level than just about any other Chaos faction - more so, their society is designed to be this way by their own chaos god, the Horned Rat and their souls are bound to it almost to the level of Beastmen (and they revel in the ruin of (other) civilizations just as much).
In order to turn them into something salvagable one would need to protect them from the Horned Rat, and raise them in a completely different culture (and even that might not be enough in the short run as their current evolutionary selection pressures (their society) are engineered towards paranoia and sociopathy/psychopathy - to the point where the main thing maintaining their individual emotional health is megalomania).

In short: Aleksander could do it, once he is powerful enough to kidnap enough skaven (including females, which are heavily guarded and often turned into giant, immobile, warpstone-dependent breeders) and raise an entire new generation or three in his own domain, all the while fighting off the Horned Rat (or obfuscating it with Shadow Magic - all things considered Albion (magical concealing mists) might be a good location for that, but the locals might object).
 
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Just gonna leave the rolls of round one of this particular duel here:

Skulltaker: 2d100= 56 + 985 = 1,041

The Chosen of Khorne: 2d100= 114 + 565 = 679
 
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