The Chaos Gods of Order
Law Gods on the other hand are directly opposite of Chaos Gods and indeed came into existence at the same time. They are essentially the other side of the coin. Where Chaos is well.. chaos and anarchy, Law is rigid order and stability. They are considered "better" then Chaos only because of how ascendant Chaos is compared to Law and thus Law is useful(the more ascendant Law become, the smaller the Chaos Wastes get, which the mortal races understandably view as a good thing), but if their positions were reversed then Law would be every bit the threat that Chaos is because Law would cause all change and development to cease, and nothing would ever change.
Chaos gods of law and order are not aligned with common seen chaos (aka destruction) they aligned with another form of chaos.

"Chaos" can be considered with various things, the normally seen chaos gods are those gods who are obviously evil, because of you know. Khorne, Slaanesh, Tzeentch and Nurgle all represent a form of destruction or anarchy:

Khorne: The anarchy and destruction that war and conflict brings.

Tzeentch: The anarchy and destruction that devious plots bring.

Slaanesh: The anarchy and (self) destruction that indulging in "pleasure" can bring to a person along with several others.

Nurgle: The anarchy and destruction commonly seen when a devasting plague happens, along with the despair seen in them.

Like you said If the chaos gods of order win everything becomes stagnant, and i think that solkan explains how that would go, all living things would be enslaved to the chaos gods of order, this would technically defeat chaos corrupting the mortal races (well until a daemon army comes knocking), their influence would cause no changes. So in this line thinking they represent a twisted form of "order" and "stability":

Solkan: Likely represents an aspect of tyranny, in this case domination, solkan would slave all mortals so that they would only worship him or his wife, or the rest of his pantheon.

Arianka: Likely represents a form of military stagnation, the battlefield of war is said to be constantly changing, but with Arianka armies and their tactics would never change. This is why she holds the aspects of tactics and the rest of the military.

Alluminas: Likely represents creativity, the "light of creativity" and all that shit, with him in power there would be no more inventions of any type.

????: The final chaos god of order, is not born yet. But l have answers about him, he would represent a form of control through emotions, in this case there would be either no emotions, rendering the mortals as little more sacks of meat with nothing that makes them "them", or their emotions would be so dampened that they would care for nothing anymore but the pantheon of order.

There you have my point of view in this matter.
 
Chaos gods of law and order are not aligned with common seen chaos (aka destruction) they aligned with another form of chaos.

"Chaos" can be considered with various things, the normally seen chaos gods are those gods who are obviously evil, because of you know. Khorne, Slaanesh, Tzeentch and Nurgle all represent a form of destruction or anarchy:

Khorne: The anarchy and destruction that war and conflict brings.

Tzeentch: The anarchy and destruction that devious plots bring.

Slaanesh: The anarchy and (self) destruction that indulging in "pleasure" can bring to a person along with several others.

Nurgle: The anarchy and destruction commonly seen when a devasting plague happens, along with the despair seen in them.

Like you said If the chaos gods of order win everything becomes stagnant, and i think that solkan explains how that would go, all living things would be enslaved to the chaos gods of order, this would technically defeat chaos corrupting the mortal races (well until a daemon army comes knocking), their influence would cause no changes. So in this line thinking they represent a twisted form of "order" and "stability":

Solkan: Likely represents an aspect of tyranny, in this case domination, solkan would slave all mortals so that they would only worship him or his wife, or the rest of his pantheon.

Arianka: Likely represents a form of military stagnation, the battlefield of war is said to be constantly changing, but with Arianka armies and their tactics would never change. This is why she holds the aspects of tactics and the rest of the military.

Alluminas: Likely represents creativity, the "light of creativity" and all that shit, with him in power there would be no more inventions of any type.

????: The final chaos god of order, is not born yet. But l have answers about him, he would represent a form of control through emotions, in this case there would be either no emotions, rendering the mortals as little more sacks of meat with nothing that makes them "them", or their emotions would be so dampened that they would care for nothing anymore but the pantheon of order.

There you have my point of view in this matter.
Somewhat, there isn't really a dark and light side when you talk about the chaos gods, chaos gods are not totally evil or totally good, it just really depends on their mood and their aspects, especially their aspects.
Ok, why do you keep calling the gods of Law chaos gods? Again, while the rational you use is why quests often classify the Star Father as a chaos god, that is not how Fantasy classifies the Law Gods. Think of it like the differences(and similarities) between the Lords of Order and Chaos in DC comics, the Law gods were literally GW's attempt at including the same type of conflict in Warhammer.

Back when the Gods of Law were a thing, Chaos was not all things. Chaos was only what the Chaos gods embodied and was directly opposed by the Law Gods on a fundamental level. Their similarities come from being two sides of the same coin compared to neutral racial gods, but each side is anathema to each other and what they reprosent.

Call a god of Law a Chaos god to one of their followers, and they'd probably get so enraged that they'd try and kill you right then and there. It'd be as if you called Nabu/Dr. Fate an agent of chaos.
 
Summoner's Woes (Semi-Canon)
Summoner's Woes​
Location: Castle of Lyonesse

As Morrslieb rose high in the sky, Chieftain Grimtooth allowed a small smile to grace his face. Soon, very soon a lifetime of work would finally come to fruition. When he'd initially set out on this mission, he'd done so with thousands of warriors across dozens of tribes he'd spent decades uniting. While he'd been blessed with centuries of life thanks to the father's blessings, the same could not be said of his tribesmen. Decade after decade he watched them wither and die. The plague father felt his sorrow, and blessed him with a vision: to invade the Southlands, and summon one of his most gifted creations. If he could accomplish this, then he would never again have to see another young warrior pass before his time.

Throughout this campaign, he'd lost many brothers to the wrenched southerners, forever denied their chance at ascension. Many shamans had perished as well, delaying the ritual as new replacements had to be located and trained. In addition they were constantly losing men to Greenskin attacks. This was in addition to the loss of their food stocks early in their journey, and the fact that in a last act of spite, the granaries had been burned down. Many of his men were hungry. Looting wasn't enough to fill this demand and several would soon starve. There was no turning back now, either they all ascended, or they all perished. There was no other recourse.

Soon, very soon his great work would be finished. And maybe then the specters of the departed would finally be at ease in knowing their tribesmen were spared their fate.
 
Summoner's Woes​
Location: Castle of Lyonesse

As Morrslieb rose high in the sky, Chieftain Grimtooth allowed a small smile to grace his face. Soon, very soon a lifetime of work would finally come to fruition. When he'd initially set out on this mission, he'd done so with thousands of warriors across dozens of tribes he'd spent decades uniting. While he'd been blessed with centuries of life thanks to the father's blessings, the same could not be said of his tribesmen. Decade after decade he watched them wither and die. The plague father felt his sorrow, and blessed him with a vision: to invade the Southlands, and summon one of his most gifted creations. If he could accomplish this, then he would never again have to see another young warrior pass before his time.

Throughout this campaign, he'd lost many brothers to the wrenched southerners, forever denied their chance at ascension. Many shamans had perished as well, delaying the ritual as new replacements had to be located and trained. In addition they were constantly losing men to Greenskin attacks. This was in addition to the loss of their food stocks early in their journey, and the fact that in a last act of spite, the granaries had been burned down. Many of his men were hungry. Looting wasn't enough to fill this demand and several would soon starve. There was no turning back now, either they all ascended, or they all perished. There was no other recourse.

Soon, very soon his great work would be finished. And maybe then the specters of the departed would finally be at ease in knowing their tribesmen were spared their fate.
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Law would cause all change and development to cease, and nothing would ever change.
So basically Order done to the extreme.
the normally seen chaos gods are those gods who are obviously evil
Basically, the Ruinous Four.
Solkan: Likely represents an aspect of tyranny, in this case domination, solkan would slave all mortals so that they would only worship him or his wife, or the rest of his pantheon.
Considering he is a god of Law (enacting law and carrying it out) and Vengeance, I suppose it's another form of Tyranny distinctive to Hashut's Domination thing.
Arianka: Likely represents a form of military stagnation, the battlefield of war is said to be constantly changing, but with Arianka armies and their tactics would never change. This is why she holds the aspects of tactics and the rest of the military.
Discipline... discipline... reminds me of the concept of Military Hierarchy and She Who Lives In Her Name from Exalted.
Ok, why do you keep calling the gods of Law chaos gods?
Chaos gods, as in chaos the Aethyr or warp-ever the fuck you call it these days; not Chaos the Ruinous Powers.
 
Mostly just a curious question @Alucard vampiry. You once discussed the destructive powers of the various gods, what about the powerful mortals like Teclis, Tryion, Malakith, and such where do they rank on that scale.

Another question what about the Slann? Where do they fall on that scale? Like Lord Kroak who was taught directly by the old ones and might as well be one all thing considered or Mazdamundi?
 
Chaos gods, as in chaos the Aethyr or warp-ever the fuck you call it these days; not Chaos the Ruinous Powers.
Call a God of Law a chaos god is an instant smiting. Yes they are both primal warp entities, and are essentially two sides of the same coin but that's the thing, two sides. When the Gods of Law were a thing, the warp was basically divided into two, where there wasn't Chaos there was Law and where there wasn't Law there was Chaos. Both equal and eternally opposed but neither side ever being able to gain the upper hand over the other do to their fundamental nature as mirrors. The only reason followers of the Gods of Law couldn't summon up their own fragments of Law like the followers of Chaos could was because of the heavily slanted nature of the warp's presence on the Warhammer world and the relative lack of followers the Gods of Law had(plus Tzeentch managed to trick the avatar of one of the Gods of Law into a magic proof coffin and hid the keys, but really it was only a matter of time before she got free again).

The only places in the warp outside the eternal feud going on where the domains of the various racial gods, lesser in power compared to the gods of Chaos and Law, but still powerful enough to carve out their own territories. Of course then GW started dropping things like the Gods of Law and the Chaos god Malal, so the warp became predominantly the Realm of Chaos, opposed only by the various racial gods in both Fantasy and 40k but again, that happened after the Gods of Law got dropped from Fantasy.

so it is basically an eternal war is what you're saying
Like if you were to take the Light and Void from Warcraft or the High Heavens and Burning Hells from Diablo and stick them in the same dimensional plane. Oh and dial up both sides "assholeness".
 
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Mostly just a curious question @Alucard vampiry. You once discussed the destructive powers of the various gods, what about the powerful mortals like Teclis, Tryion, Malakith, and such where do they rank on that scale.

Another question what about the Slann? Where do they fall on that scale? Like Lord Kroak who was taught directly by the old ones and might as well be one all thing considered or Mazdamundi?
1. Teclis power level is pretty high, he could lance magical nukes and knew dozens of spells, of course there is his 'blessed with suck' condition. He has an excellent magical attribute and various spells but it is shitty in melee because of his condition.

2. Tyrion, a walking army killer is the only way l can define him, he is the warrior among the elves, in one of the countless wars between the dark and high elves he killed so many dark elves that he had to claw his way out of the mountain of bodies.

3. Malekith is technically inferior in some aspects to those two above, with Teclis he is inferior on magical ability but is better melee warrior, with Tyrion he is inferior in melee but a better magician. He is still highly dangerous, undoubtedly one of the greatest elves ever, he makes up this inferiority by fighting pragmatically, his weapons are coated with a highly lethal poison that can kill in seconds depend on the effect of it.

4. It depends on their generation, first generation slann were god-like entities who could give the fledgling gods of this setting a run from their money, of course the power of slann reduced with each generation that passed.
4a. Lord Kroak is... complicated he was arguably one of the strongest memebers of the first generation slann and could have potentially destroyed the warhammer world and other planets in the system. Beu he was still below the old ones in terms of both psychic might and skill.
4b. Mazdamundi is currently the most powerful slann and magical beings on the setting, in terms of power level in one of his most awesome moments he stopped the fragments of Morsleib (i am pretty sure l expelled that wrong) who was destroyed by the skaven, somehow, from falling into the warhammer world of course his heart exploded when he did that but it still one of greatest examples of his power. This puts him as capable of manipulating reality around celestial bodies the size limit being the size of the chaos moon.
 
yeah...

best toad boys need to get their shit up and running.

I wonder if your running with the fog daemon we have going on "respect your elders" for them.
 
2. Tyrion, a walking army killer is the only way l can define him, he is the warrior among the elves, in one of the countless wars between the dark and high elves he killed so many dark elves that he had to claw his way out of the mountain of bodies.

What about Eltharion? He's a walking badass too. He was the first to succeed invading the dark elves capital.
 
What about Eltharion? He's a walking badass too. He was the first to succeed invading the dark elves capital.
Batman Eltharion is a great warrior and leader as well, while obsessed with Grom (or it is the other way around?) he will answer the call of duty wherever he is, when he invaded the capital of the dark elves he was winning and if was not for Grom appearance in his turf he may have gone down in history as the one who took the capital of the dark elves.
 
Batman Eltharion is a great warrior and leader as well, while obsessed with Grom (or it is the other way around?) he will answer the call of duty wherever he is, when he invaded the capital of the dark elves he was winning and if was not for Grom appearance in his turf he may have gone down in history as the one who took the capital of the dark elves.
That's a shame he would have saved his people a lot of trouble if he took the capitol
 
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