Lex Sedet In Vertice: A Supervillain in the DCU CK2 quest

What sort of tone should I shoot for with this Quest?

  • Go as crack fueled as you can we want Ambush Bug, Snowflame and Duckseid

    Votes: 30 7.7%
  • Go for something silly but keep a little bit of reason

    Votes: 31 7.9%
  • Adam West Camp

    Votes: 27 6.9%
  • Balanced as all things should be

    Votes: 195 50.0%
  • Mostly serious but not self-involvedly so

    Votes: 73 18.7%
  • Dark and brooding but with light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 12 3.1%
  • We're evil and we don't want anyone to be happy

    Votes: 22 5.6%

  • Total voters
    390
  • Poll closed .
Hold on, do we even know it exists in character?
I'm not 100% sure but I believe Lex does not know about responsometers and their involvement in the Metal Men. Lex knows the Metal Men exist but Will Magnus hasn't turned over his blueprints to Lex in any capacity. I do know that Lex never learned the Brain stole a responsometer and used it to make Chemo and so to me at least, that suggests that Lex doesn't know how it works but I'd need to check my notes to definitively 100% confirm it.

That being said jonasquinn brought up that you can ask Eiling about it and I'll point out that you could ask the Brain and probably get good info on it so even if you don't know in character of the responsometer, there are multiple routes towards acquiring one even without working directly with Will Magnus.
 
I've not gone through everything just yet but I think this turn might be the best you guys ever had in terms of raw results numbers. The results are pretty batshit.

Edit: To give some context, I haven't looked through everything and there are some bare successes but the rate of successes by 100+ for martial and diplomacy actions hovers somewhere just below 50% and there are multiple successes by a margin higher than 400.
 
Last edited:
I've not gone through everything just yet but I think this turn might be the best you guys ever had in terms of raw results numbers. The results are pretty batshit.

Edit: To give some context, I haven't looked through everything and there are some bare successes but the rate of successes by 100+ for martial and diplomacy actions hovers somewhere just below 50% and there are multiple successes by a margin higher than 400.
Wow. This is impressive considering our highest success to date was just last turn, and we are taking several high stakes actions, crime fighting in Italy, A propaganda push, expanding Lexcorp(with Talia involved), Raven Propaganda, and ODIN Tech just to name one from each category.

Though, in retrospect, sending a metahuman whose main power usage is generating over the top explosions to a nation with important, millennia old structures was probably less than thought through. Thank goodness the bonus is so good.
 
Last edited:
Btw, what do you think about idea of sending Nygma after Bad Samaritan?
I don't think that we know about him in character. To Lex he is just one of King Markov's advisors. Now if Cass suggests to keep closer eyes on Markov family to get more Brion photos some dirt on them maybe we will learn more about Zviad too. Best case scenario would be finding about Terra as she is potential claimant for the throne.
 
I look forward to seeing how the action with Cassandra learning zoology and ecology from Enoch went.

I am imagining her coming back with a dog the size of a pickup truck and Lexcorp smoothly adapting as if this is perfectly normal. :p
 
I've run through the numbers and unless I severely messed up my math this is easily the best turn you've ever had. For context, about a third of your actions got a roll of over 100 and about a third of those were successes by over 500.

Edit: The rewards tables are going to be wild.
 
Last edited:
39 total being rolled (36 normal, 2 Child Actions 1 Comp) so around 13 actions over 100, and 4 or 5 actions over 500. Truly a phenomenal turn.
Alright fess up. Who sacrificed the goat and to what? Because if we pass the hat around I'm sure we can start funding the offerings.
It was less a goat and more several racks of pig rips, dedicated to the eventual success of the turn. Each rack was subjected to a dry rub, and slow cooked for several hours, before applying a layer of honey barbecue sauce in the final hour. I think the results speak for themselves.

Also it has been less than a week since my birthday, and I've always been pretty lucky around that time.
 
Last edited:
Negotiating with the earthlings proved easy enough. They clearly knew more than well enough that getting to work with her was an opportunity and that working with her was far better than proving to be opposition to her goals. She was a tad miffed that she needed to woo her intended husband like some commoner, instead of immediately given the marriage she wanted as a queen, but she also was well aware that she was incredible and was confident that she could win over Coldcast without much issue. Courtship rituals were annoying but she could tolerate some hoops to be jumped through.
You'd think that after several generations of routinely seeking out close relationships with people who punch at Superman's general level of fighting prowess, they'd have normalized the idea that anyone powerful enough to throw hands at that level is aristocracy by sheer kratocratic ability to cause trouble if not respected, and thus deserves to be treated with some respect, not as some peasant who can be casually ordered into a forced marriage.
 
You'd think that after several generations of routinely seeking out close relationships with people who punch at Superman's general level of fighting prowess, they'd have normalized the idea that anyone powerful enough to throw hands at that level is aristocracy by sheer kratocratic ability to cause trouble if not respected, and thus deserves to be treated with some respect, not as some peasant who can be casually ordered into a forced marriage.
I mean, keep in mind that Maxima is a relatively young absolute monarch who's stronger and deadlier than everyone else on her planet. Even without talking about Almeracian cultural norms, Maxima is coming from a position where she's naturally incredibly arrogant because outside of her deceased parents, and foreign dignitaries (who she can still bully and threaten), she more or less can treat everyone she's ever met as peasants she can casually order around.
 
Last edited:
Maxima sees Nathan as powerful but unrefined to her own precise, experience power. She believes she could kill him but not best him none lethally so long as he can use raw force to overcome her available tactics. This is someone from the absolute top of her planets hierarchy who came to earth because she wasn't satisfied with what was available to her not understanding the flaws in her unchallenged ideology. It's not exactly unfitting, and we have a looser version exampled in Tamaran.
 
Btw, who do you think is "Big Three" of DCTU/DCQU?

For me, it's Batman, Ultrafiolet and either Dr. Fate or Flash
 
Btw, who do you think is "Big Three" of DCTU/DCQU?
I'm pretty sure King Crimson has an awesome post somewhere in the thread about the 'Big Three' and what they are actually depicted to represent as opposed to what DC says they represent. Edit: Here it is!

But the issue is that Wonder Woman, Batman, and Superman in canon have always been more important for their roles in the narrative and enemies than their raw power - otherwise the Specter would probably be the big item. And while they're sort of coded to represent Truth, Justice, and The American Way on paper they have come to embody somewhat different roles in modern canon. (If you haven't read King Crimon's post on the Big Three already I can't recommend it enough).

I will say as much as events (and Lexcorp) have pushed Superman down recently, he's still hugely important both from a narrative standpoint and in terms of power, even from an in-setting perspective. And from a narrative perspective, the current public view of him isn't entirely relevant. He still has the same enemies, the fact that in a sense Lex is 'winning' right now doesn't change who Superman is or who Lex is.

I don't think things have really settled to fit a 'Big Three' quite yet though, and just a list of power rankings even for heroes would involve a lot of people we've not seen in the quest. Ultraviolet becoming THE female superhero to the public eye in-quest is pretty amazing though, and despite her neuroses and entanglement with Lexcorp I could see her evolving to really fit the role of a moral pillar. We might not like it though.
 
Last edited:
No Swords! New

No Swords!


When Maxima had envisioned bartering for a weapon of exceptional quality, debating with an adolescent Earth girl was certainly not part of that image. Princess Starfire's introduction to her charge, however, proved an intriguing diversion. Among the scions of the Luthor dynasty, it was the daughter who possessed the more extensive knowledge of close-combat weaponry that Maxima sought—and despite her youth, she was demonstrating herself to be a surprisingly knowledgeable company.

There was a calculated precision to the girl that contrasted sharply with Maxima's more imperious demeanor, yet the queen could recognize in Cassandra Luthor a fundamental passion for martial excellence that she hadn't expected to find in a mercantile heiress. It made the girl all the more interesting.

The LexCorp weapons laboratory gleamed with cold efficiency around them as Maxima studied the holographic display with growing disappointment.

"These designs are... inadequate," Maxima declared, dismissively waving her hand through the projection of a sleek energy rifle. Her crimson hair cascaded down her back like blood over her royal attire. "I require something more personal."

Cassandra stood with perfect posture, her dark hair pulled back in a tight bun. "The agreement was for a weapon that leverages your unique abilities," she stressed. "Something custom-designed for your specific powerset."

Maxima understood that good service meant trying to anticipate the customer's needs, but the girl's machinations were largely unnecessary. Still, she would humor the young Luthor.

"Indeed," Maxima replied, eyes narrowing. "And I've decided on a sword. Specifically, a two-handed, double-edged blade with a proper crossguard for dueling. It's a worthy weapon for someone of my stature." At minimum, it could serve as an acceptable trophy should their collaboration prove disappointing.

Cassandra's expression remained neutral as her finger tapped thoughtfully on her datapad. "With respect, Your Highness, a sword would not properly leverage your superhuman abilities. Providing one would constitute a breach of our agreement."

Maxima flipped her hair back, eyes flashing with indignation. "You presume to tell me what weapon suits me best? A sword allows for perfect flow between movements. The transitions between strikes occur primarily through subtle manipulations of the wrist, the below and the shoulder." She demonstrated with a graceful movement of her hand. "This creates an efficiency of motion that few other weapons can match. It is the quintessential warrior's choice."

"By your own description," Cassandra noted with diplomatic gentleness, "swords are fundamentally speed-based weapons. Indeed, you are correct—everything in swordsmanship, from the weight distribution to grip positioning, is designed for a flow of decisive movements rather than overwhelming force."

She stepped forward, holding the pad as though it were a weapon, executing a flawless series of movement patterns that caused Maxima to raise an eyebrow in grudging appreciation.

"When it comes to raw power generation," Cassandra continued, "proper positioning and body alignment through movement—what we call 'structure' on Earth—will always supersede brute strength, both in generating strikes and in parrying. A sword effectively leverages your speed by making your superhuman strength largely superfluous. You're negating your own natural advantages."

Maxima scoffed. "You speak as though I've never wielded a blade before." Indeed, the martial treatises of Almerac had been drilled into her since childhood, when she'd sat at her father's knee. "When one reaches my level of might, such limitations become meaningless. 'Structure' is a concept best reserved for those who cannot fly or rely solely on their physical frames to generate power. In that sense, Earthling martial arts are not optimal." She raised a hand, causing her sword to levitate above it in rotations.

"I speak as someone trained to understand the biomechanics of combat," Cassandra replied evenly. "As you mentioned, you can fly. Have you considered that Earth's historical cavalry swords might offer a superior template? Sabers and similar curved blades were designed specifically for angled attacks that utilize forward momentum rather than traditional swinging structures to generate force. Their wielders used horses to provide that momentum; you can use flight."

Maxima paused, genuine interest flickering across her face before being replaced by smug amusement. "How quaint. To think that mere centuries ago, you primitive Earthlings were engaging in combat in such barbaric fashion." She paced the length of the laboratory, her royal attire shimmering with each purposeful step. "If I were to choose a weapon specifically for aerial combat utility, I might as well select a ranged weapon altogether."

The disgust in her voice at that final thought was palpable.

"That would be the logical choice," Cassandra agreed with calm pragmatism, not a hair out of place.

"But a sword is the proper weapon for someone of my standing," Maxima insisted, her tone hardening. "Royal bloodlines across the galaxy carry ceremonial blades. It is tradition. A symbol of power, more than merely a weapon."

Cassandra's lips curved into the ghost of a smile. "If tradition and status are your primary concerns, might I suggest a halberd or poleaxe?" Her eyes gleamed, and Maxima realized this had been the girl's target all along. "These were the weapons of elite knights, not common soldiers as many assume. The leverage provided by the long haft combined with the axe head allows for devastating strikes while maintaining excellent control and diverse angles for thrusts without requiring adjustments. The capacity for slashing and bashing through defenses, combined with superior reach, makes them extraordinarily versatile."

With a few deft flicks of her wrist, Cassandra's device displayed historical images of ornate polearms, many adorned with royal insignias and precious metals.

"The weight distribution favors heavy strikes, properly leveraging your super strength while still providing the distance and control of a spear. The hook on the reverse side—" she indicated the feature with a precise gesture, "—allows for dismounting mounted opponents or, in your case, pulling flying enemies from the sky."

Maxima examined the images with a dismissive wave. "Such weapons are carried by palace guards on Almerac, not royalty. Walking the corridors of my palaceand the streets of my cities with such an implement would signal to my people that we are about to enter a state of war." She shook her head firmly. "Socially unacceptable."

"As queen," Cassandra noted quietly, her gaze meeting Maxima's directly, "isn't 'socially acceptable' whatever you will it to be?"

A surprised chuckle escaped Maxima's lips. "You are indeed correct, Cassandra Luthor. Your insight is truly formidable!" Her expression sobered. "Still, tradition has its place—even for queens. In the Hall of Champions at the heart of Almerac's royal citadel, the weapons of our greatest warriors are enshrined. Nearly all are blades. That is no coincidence."

"I suppose, if you are more invested in winning over people than you are in winning battles." Cassandra riposted.

Maxima gave a throaty laugh at the girl's audacity. Few would dare speak to her with such candor.

"You may as well use a rapier then," Cassandra continued, displaying the relevant image. "It is the superior weapon for dueling."

"A rapier is but a one-handed spear!" Maxima protested indignantly. To wield such a flimsy, one-dimensional weapon! A light parry could snap it in half!

"Yes, which makes it the best sword," Cassandra replied drily. "If portability is your concern, it will outperform every weapon of equivalent size in single combat. The point control is unmatched, and the linear thrust channels force efficiently." Maxima did not deign to respond, merely scoffing.

Seeing Maxima's continued resistance, she changed tactics. "If you intend to carry this weapon regularly—though I wouldn't recommend it—perhaps a mace would serve your purposes better. The mass distribution is favorable while still generating force through the kinetic chain of the body much like a sword, giving you the best of both worlds."

Maxima's nose wrinkled in distaste. 'It has no fluidity or speed. A mace generates force through sheer angular momentum—once committed, it must recover before striking again. There's no graceful transition, no immediate thrust or redirection from the bind. It's brutish, inelegant. The weapon of those with strength but no finesse."

"That's a common misconception," Cassandra replied, her voice steady. "War hammers and maces weren't crude—they were tactical. They required just as much skill, just not in the same way. A mace isn't meant for flourish or flow. It's designed to exploit weaknesses in armor—its flanged head concentrates force to a precise point, delivering concussive trauma where blades would glance off. You don't need to redirect from the bind when your first strike crushes through plate or moves the opponent out of position."

Seeing Maxima unmoved, Cassandra tried yet another approach. "What about a telescoping poleaxe? Compact for carrying, expandable for combat."

"I've encountered 'mechashifting' weapons before," Maxima said with a knowing smirk. "They invariably lack structural integrity. The joints become the weakest points, creating vulnerabilities that, even if not exploited by an opponent, would inevitably cause a breakdown down the line." Her tone was slightly chiding, but Cassandra took it in good humor.

"All the science in the world cannot save something from being overdesigned, I suppose," Cassandra mused with a genuine smile. "Physics remains consistent across the universe." She seemed to find her own comment amusing, though Maxima couldn't fathom why. "All the same, you will not find Luthor engineering lacking."

Maxima smirked. She would see if the Luthors could keep their word. "What remains, then?"

"Poleaxes, halberds," Cassandra persisted, seemingly oblivious to Maxima's growing irritation—or perhaps deliberately ignoring it.

"Again with this?" Maxima's voice rose slightly. "These are the cheaply-made tools of peasantry."

"Poleaxes are the weapons of the rich and powerful," Cassandra insisted with surprising passion. "Swords were unsuited for battle against armor, making them more appropriate for the sort of person who would cut down unarmored peasants." Her gaze was steady and challenging. "I suppose if your goal was to swiftly dispatch the defenseless, a sword might indeed be more suitable..."

Maxima narrowed her eyes at the sheer audacity. "I am a warrior, not an executioner," she almost sneered, causing Cassandra to level a look directly into her eyes.

"Then you ought to find a weapon most suited for warriors of your particular prowess and renown... Like a polearm."

"Now listen here, you...! Are you calling me a peasant?!"

"That is not, in fact, what I said," Cassandra replied with infuriating calm.

Starfire, who remained in the room and had been utterly forgotten by either party, watched the two bicker back and forth with growing delight. She was happy that they had found so much in common!
 
Last edited:
"Poleaxes are the weapons of the rich and powerful," Cassandra insisted with surprising passion. "Swords were unsuited for battle against armor, making them more appropriate for the sort of person who would cut down unarmored peasants." Her gaze was steady and challenging. "I suppose if your goal was to swiftly dispatch the defenseless, a sword might indeed be more suitable..."

Maxima narrowed her eyes at the sheer audacity. "I am a warrior, not an executioner," she almost sneered, causing Cassandra to level a look directly into her eyes.

"Then you ought to find a weapon most suited for warriors of your particular prowess and renown... Like a polearm."
This is hilarious, well-researched, and on-point. The runaway obsession with swords in fiction tends to stand in broad contrast to their actual utility, with the most effective like rapiers tending to be ignored in modern fiction. But even better is the obvious similarities between Cassandra and Maxima in terms of personality, they play off each other wonderfully and you can easily see them become the best of frenemies.

Putting Cassandra on the 'Make a weapon for Maxima' action upcoming sounds like a pretty fun idea. I know it's almost taboo to think of pushing her into any action but education for those sweet traits, but she HAS asked to be given more responsibility, and this would play to her strengths. Plus we know that the people involved in the project tend to dictate what 'success' means, and Cassandra is obviously ideal for this.

Given Maxima's talents, we may want to reverse engineer the psionic amplifiers etcera we received from HIVE and research psionics soonish, before the need to create her weapon becomes pressing.
 
Last edited:
Btw, who do you think will be best for (potential) role of "LexCorp's Ambassador on Almerac"?
 
Last edited:
Btw, who do you think will be best for (potential) role of "LexCorp's Ambassador on Almerac"?
Obviously, it's Coldcast! Kidding, kidding. Though it is worth mentioning Maxima might question it if it is NOT Coldcast....

In all honesty I think it depends on Almerac's culture, which we've heard about a bit but haven't had a good close look at yet, and their potential value to Lexcorp. It doesn't help that martial prowess is probably a big virtue in this respect, so the position is competing with Bastion for heroes - and they also need a relatively high Diplomacy. Depending on how 'stuffy' versus 'rowdy' they are, Mari McCabe or Roxy Rocket might work so long as they can balance the job with their respective interests and duties.

Once she is old enough, Cassandra would probably do well to spend some time on Almerac, if not necessarily as an ambassador.
 
Last edited:
So I really like this omake. The turn around on this was fast and whereas some other omakes haven't quite clicked with me, this one did. I'm going to get more into it now.
Among the scions of the Luthor dynasty, it was the daughter who possessed the more extensive knowledge of close-combat weaponry that Maxima sought—and despite her youth, she was demonstrating herself to be a surprisingly knowledgeable company.
So this section caused a little bit of canonicity issues. Namely the idea of there being multiple scions of the Luthor dynasty, which is currently wrong. This is set sometime in the future, but in order for this sentence to become true, Lex would need to have another sibling with children or just more children. As such currently there's only one "scion".

This could be chalked up as Maxima not understanding the dynamic of the Luthor family, or altering the sentence to "When dealing with the Luthor dynasty, it was the daughter..." in order to avoid that issue. It's not a deal breaker on its own.
There was a calculated precision to the girl that contrasted sharply with Maxima's more imperious demeanor,
Not a critique, but more just an observation that this line made me chuckle a bit because Cassandra's also arguably pretty "imperious" (at the very least I think it's fair to say that Cassandra can be pretty aggressive and domineering even if she doesn't always act on what she wants).
Her crimson hair cascaded down her back like blood over her royal attire
Again minor thing I like, but considering I don't often do much character descriptions, I liked this little description of Maxima's appearance a lot. Considering this seems to mostly be from Maxima's perspective, this is also a really neat and subtle way to show what Maxima thinks about herself. I think it's really solid.
Minor mistake
A surprised chuckle escaped Maxima's lips. "You are indeed correct, Cassandra Luthor. Your insight is truly formidable!" Her expression sobered. "Still, tradition has its place—even for queens. In the Hall of Champions at the heart of Almerac's royal citadel, the weapons of our greatest warriors are enshrined. Nearly all are blades. That is no coincidence."
So I'm mostly choosing this section to comment on it, but I feel like you've generally got Maxima pretty solidly pinned down throughout the omake. You're doing a good job of balancing the different aspects of her character and I think it works well here.
Seeing Maxima's continued resistance, she changed tactics. "If you intend to carry this weapon regularly—though I wouldn't recommend it—perhaps a mace would serve your purposes better. The mass distribution is favorable while still generating force through the kinetic chain of the body much like a sword, giving you the best of both worlds."

Maxima's nose wrinkled in distaste. 'It has no fluidity or speed. A mace generates force through sheer angular momentum—once committed, it must recover before striking again. There's no graceful transition, no immediate thrust or redirection from the bind. It's brutish, inelegant. The weapon of those with strength but no finesse."

"That's a common misconception," Cassandra replied, her voice steady. "War hammers and maces weren't crude—they were tactical. They required just as much skill, just not in the same way. A mace isn't meant for flourish or flow. It's designed to exploit weaknesses in armor—its flanged head concentrates force to a precise point, delivering concussive trauma where blades would glance off. You don't need to redirect from the bind when your first strike crushes through plate or moves the opponent out of position."
Something I think is funny and potentially adds to the conversation, Rose Wilson actually uses a big two-handed broadsword with one hand and she arguably uses it with less finesse than you would need for a mace or hammer. I also believe that whenever I wrote about Rose sword-fighting she ended up losing as well.

So overall I really liked this omake and had fun reading it. I do kind of want to hold off from canonizing it a bit as it is based on future events and there's no guarantee Cassandra will be put on the action of developing a weapon for Maxima. That being said this omake was really good and I feel like you pretty solidly nailed down Maxima and gave her a fun dynamic with Cassandra. I think it worked remarkably well.

I'm going to hold off on threadmarking it for a little bit because I want to deliberate on whether or not to canonize it or not. I'm currently thinking of marking it as non-canon and awarding 500 exp, and then making a note to potentially go back and change it, but I'm not sure that's the best move. I want a little more time to deliberate before I come to a decision, but it is really good and other than taking place in the future, there are no real issues of canonicity save for the line about "Luthor scions".
 
Last edited:
So I really like this omake. The turn around on this was fast and whereas some other omakes haven't quite clicked with me, this one did. I'm going to get more into it now.

So this section caused a little bit of canonicity issues. Namely the idea of there being multiple scions of the Luthor dynasty, which unless is currently wrong. This is set sometime in the future, but in order for this sentence to become true, Lex would need to have another sibling with children or just more children. As such currently there's only one "scion".

This could be chalked up as Maxima not understanding the dynamic of the Luthor family, or altering the sentence to "When dealing with the Luthor dynasty, it was the daughter..." in order to avoid that issue. It's not a deal breaker on its own.

Actually, the word scion does also mean "descendant" or "child of". Like, you could say that Cassandra and Lex are descendants of the Luthor family. It works in that sentence since Maxima doesn't know that Cassandra isn't related to Lex by blood.

So overall I really liked this omake and had fun reading it. I do kind of want to hold off from canonizing it a bit as it is based on future events and there's no guarantee Cassandra will be put on the action of developing a weapon for Maxima. That being said this omake was really good and I feel like you pretty solidly nailed down Maxima and gave her a fun dynamic with Cassandra. I think it worked remarkably well.

I think that this isn't meant to be a future event at all. I read it sort of like this:

1) Starfire brings Maxima to Lex and they negotiate
2) Starfire talks with Maxima about all sorts of things, one of which is her role as Cassandra's bodyguard, and shows her around a bit and introduces her to Cassandra (the omake states that Starfire introduced Maxima to Cassandra, and that it was an "intriguing diversion" so it wasn't planned)
3) Maxima shares a few of the details of the agreement with Cassandra, one of which is the commission for the weapon
4) Cassandra begins to question Maxima about the weapon and maybe Starfire backs her up a bit on her weaponry knowledge. Cassandra becomes interested and tries to help a bit or at least discuss what this sort of theoretical weapon could look like (Cassandra is "anticipating" Maxima's needs as stated in the omake, implying that nothing is being done yet and/or that they haven't really researched what those needs could end up being)
5) This conversation
6) ??? filler or whatever else you want to fit here
7) Maxima leaves the planet for now and goes home

I added a few details but there's enough information here to fit it in the timeline without needing future events.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top