Lex Sedet In Vertice: A Supervillain in the DCU CK2 quest

What sort of tone should I shoot for with this Quest?

  • Go as crack fueled as you can we want Ambush Bug, Snowflame and Duckseid

    Votes: 30 7.7%
  • Go for something silly but keep a little bit of reason

    Votes: 31 7.9%
  • Adam West Camp

    Votes: 27 6.9%
  • Balanced as all things should be

    Votes: 195 50.0%
  • Mostly serious but not self-involvedly so

    Votes: 73 18.7%
  • Dark and brooding but with light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 12 3.1%
  • We're evil and we don't want anyone to be happy

    Votes: 22 5.6%

  • Total voters
    390
  • Poll closed .
I feel like releasing the autokitchen... isn't enough. We don't want people to think Lex has gone soft, and we let a lot of corporations get away with a lot of stuff in the aftermath of Brainiac. We need to hit them hard enough so that it actually hurts.

So... recruitment? I mean, there was that one doctor that we kind of wanted to poach, but that Bruce would have taken incredibly personally. That plus the autokitchen actually feels about right at this point. In the meantime, we get something that we want, and Bruce cant' say that he didn't have it coming. It'll take a decent team to poach them in spite of whatever hero support we'd run into on the other side, but I think it would be worth it.

Also, making use of the Bone Growth Formula is pretty much mandatory at this point, given how well we did with it. We absolutely should not wait on upgrading Karl, and we should seriously think about producing it for broader use.
Yeah the auto kitchen might annoy them but it's not big enough as revenge. I'm still hoping that the joker problem get's taken care of in between now and next turn. Then we can pull a full on offensive with our Lexpo.

[ ] Buy more Gingo fruits
DC8
Results: Isolated the chemical that causes stretchiness and increases flexibility in humans, learned that the chemical can kill people if consumed in high enough doses, learned that some people can ignore a lethal dosage of this extracted chemical and gain massive benefits from it, Meena gets the trait Information Super-highway which allows her to add +5 to the end of any supercomputer special actions rolls, new options now available
Hey @King crimson when we Isolated the chemical from gingo fruits did that mean we can make it in a lab? Or just that we could get it out of gingo fruits and concentrate it to useable levels without someone having to eat a insane amount of fruit.
[ ] Continue to attempt to repair various cities across the world
DC 14
Vivian+Constance+Tora
So why are Vivian and Constance on this action? Is it just that we need someone to help Tora get her trait? If we can't think of any other stewardship actions they'd be willing to do we could put them on some sort of biology/chemical research action.
 
So why are Vivian and Constance on this action? Is it just that we need someone to help Tora get her trait? If we can't think of any other stewardship actions they'd be willing to do we could put them on some sort of biology/chemical research action.
Hmmm what about this for stewardship action?
[ ] Create a charity
DC 0 (the higher you roll the more successful the charity) Creating a charity not only nets you some positive press but it allows you to more easily move around money and get tax breaks. Creating a charity can help cement your legacy and get others to truly believe that you are a good man
 
Yeah the auto kitchen might annoy them but it's not big enough as revenge. I'm still hoping that the joker problem get's taken care of in between now and next turn. Then we can pull a full on offensive with our Lexpo.

So why are Vivian and Constance on this action? Is it just that we need someone to help Tora get her trait? If we can't think of any other stewardship actions they'd be willing to do we could put them on some sort of biology/chemical research action.
There are a variety of reason. we do want to help Tora get her trait. At the same time we don't want Tora getting her trait to siphon points from our next towers completion, Security, and acceptance by the locals. It also Lets us lower dcs on building towers in a few cities, and drum up support and approval in those cities for our superhero team.

Meanwhile, it's good media optics for both Beatrice and Tora to be seen undertaking heroic ventures as the public faces of our new superhero team, preferably seperate from ultraviolet to establish that being a part of the team let's heroes make a difference and name for themselves, rather than just helping already important heroes do so. Tackling this by having Mari and Beatrice fight criminals while tora assists recovery is peak PR for convincing Superheroes to join up.

Hmmm what about this for stewardship action?
There are numerous better options. I could name a dozen, improving chemical plants or production centers the first to come to mind. Suffice to say for the reasons stated above, I favor the action as a kill three birds with one stone Ideal compromise.
We did want to buy STAR Labs stock?
Garrison Slates opposition means we need a stronger sabotage action ahead of an attempt to purchase. One sufficient to effect the entire company rather than just the metropolis branch.
 
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[ ] Engage in superpowered crimefighting abroad
DC???
Mari+Beatrice
I'm not sure but I imagine that we'd have to specify which country we want to fight crime in which would effect the DC. If we are planning to build a tower in Paris or London/Manchester this turn then either France or England would probably be the best bets.
[ ] Speak with Selina Kyle
DC15
Paige
I'm slightly concerned that this might be an action that triggers Paige's trait, in which case it might be best to swap her and Marie around.
[ ] Begin marketing the rapid growth ration package
DC 64
Rene+Lucy+Lance
I feel like this can wait. The main issue the rations have is the negative image of and potential legal precedents set by Brown's work being dragged though the mud. Solving that would make marketing our own rations significantly easier rather than fighting against the current.
[ ] Build another supercomputer
DC 51 (DC 40 if Felicity is assigned)
Felicity+Frost
I'm still a bit unsure about this. I completely understand the logic and it is a good idea but if we are planning to go full duel disk with our game systems having Frost on holograms would be very useful.
[ ] Continue to attempt to repair various cities across the world
DC 14
Vivian+Constance+Tora
This is a very solid team and probably has a good chance at getting both Tora and the Twins the traits they're on the verge of. Plus with the amount of cities we can help with that large a success we can establish both our team and LexCorp itself as truly multinational.
[ ] Give Leslie Willis her own TV show
DC 33 (DC 8 if Leslie Willis is assigned to this action)
Leslie+Lisa
While his is an acceptable backup team I do still think that Leslie and Oswald would be better though I'll address the reasons why when I get to that section.
[ ] Assist Nightshade in tracking down the demon she wants to get revenge on
DC ???
Nygma+Meld+Eve
While I wouldn't be opposed to doing this if we can't think of anything better for Nygma, Meld or Ve to do I'd kinda rather wait till we have done the demonology action. Though who knows, maybe if we get someone like Jason Blood that would work as well.
As for what else we may want them on, we probably should investigate the HIVE cell within the government at some point or dig into the Church of Blood further.
[ ] Develop a new standard laser rifle for General Wells
DC7
Kate or Helena
Ideally I would rather a higher bonus since while the DC is very low it's the sort of action that could be massively beneficial should we roll well enough.
[ ] Learn about genetics
DC24
Catherine
I feel like we might have some better uses for Devereux than this. The first thing that comes to mind is we could maybe put her on the LMD action with Fixit and Turgo to make up for the latters diminished capacity and try to skew the results towards making them more human like.
It turns out that narratively, Oswald and Leslie have difficulty working together on personal projects, and I can't help but feel an action that Leslie lowers the DC on has to count.
While the thought did occur to me my thoughts are basically that as long as they succeed by enough there's unlikely to be any noticeable downside like a reduction in coop score, I could be wrong though,

Would you mind weighing in a bit @King crimson?
Kate or Helena have learning enough for Wells Laser, which let's me put the stronger team of Rose and Mercy on improving Lexcorp securities equipment, which should activates Rose's piloting related skill.
Honestly I'd rather take a bit of a gamble on improving equipment and guaranteeing a strong success on the laser rifle.

IMO the latter has the potential to have a pretty enormous impact but we really only have the one chance at it while if we put Kate on the former she's likely to succeed just fine by herself and it's not that impactful.
Regrettably, Meena is a chatter box
To be fair while Meena is rather hyperactive and chatty she's far from an idiot. She knows how important keeping secrets when it comes to stuff like this is.

Villain on the other hand you're completely right about.
The basics is that a piece of Trigon got out of imprisonment and was able to manifest. In order for demons to manifest in the regular universe, they generally "fragment" themselves. Each piece of them then goes to a universe and acts independently before reconstituting back into the demon proper later on down the line when they've left those universes. I elaborate on it a bit more in my "A Layman's Guide to Hell and the Denizens within it" informational post.

Basically a piece of Trigon got a little loose and split itself in order to try and break into realities. One of those fragments then came into contact with Raven's mother and impregnated her resulting in Raven. Demon's don't have genetics, meaning Raven's status as a "half-demon" is more metaphysical than biological (you won't find any genetic information on why she can grow four glowing red eyes when tapping into her powers). Raven isn't a multiversal entity due to her mother making her not a full blown out and out demon.

Does that sufficiently explain things?

I'll also say as a fun fact, Raven is Merlin's cousin. She's not a full-blown demon but that should give you an idea of the advantages of not exactly being a regular vanilla mortal.
Importantly this also means that the Trigon we're so worried about dealing with is only a fragment of the one who destroyed Azarath who himself is only a fragment of the one stuck in whatever cage the rest of Hell banished him to.
@jonasquinn I'm out of time at the moment and having trouble tracking down the action to malign hal as a reward to Carol for her performance this turn. If you don't mind, would you please tracking it down so I can compare it to the push propaganda action dc?
Sure thing.

[ ] Begin a hard propaganda push across all of your news sources is DC 15 Diplomacy action while [ ] Continue undermining Hal Jordan is a DC 34 Intrigue action.

Though if we're looking for ways to reward Carol it might be worth reaching out to Giganta, it's a DC 27? action that Carol actively wants us to take and would potentially open up a new avenue of ways to condemn the Green Lanterns.

Also while we're discussing Diplomacy actions it may be worth it to take "[ ] Campaign to get the achievements of one of your workers recognized" at some point to get Caitlin and, unfortunately, Louise the Nobel Prize's that they definitely deserve.
 
Hey @King crimson when we Isolated the chemical from gingo fruits did that mean we can make it in a lab? Or just that we could get it out of gingo fruits and concentrate it to useable levels without someone having to eat a insane amount of fruit.
Broadly speaking it means you can get it out of the fruits and concentrate it and you have a DC reduction towards making it in a lab. The compound's really long complex and exotic (it makes PG5 look pleasant to work with).
Would you mind weighing in a bit @King crimson?
So I'll chime in a little bit. Complications are not guaranteed mechanically. Narratively you're going to hear about the two arguing pretty much no matter what but there is some division on that front.

What might be concerning is that if you're very close to a reward, I might chose to give you guys a coop score reduction in order to win you a bigger prize. The bigger the roll the less likely this is, but smaller successes are more likely to result in this. It's not guaranteed one way or another but it is something that could happen.
Importantly this also means that the Trigon we're so worried about dealing with is only a fragment of the one who destroyed Azarath who himself is only a fragment of the one stuck in whatever cage the rest of Hell banished him to.
Yup, this is just a confirmation to people who were curious about Trigon's power and such, Jonasquinn's statement here is correct.

Edit: Potentially dumb question would people be interested in am informational post that's a TLDR of who characters were in the comics? It probably won't be super helpful but a sentence or two about each character's source material might get people who are less versed in comics some familiarity with things without overloading or spoiling stuff. Let me know if there's interest.
 
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Edit: Potentially dumb question would people be interested in am informational post that's a TLDR of who characters were in the comics? It probably won't be super helpful but a sentence or two about each character's source material might get people who are less versed in comics some familiarity with things without overloading or spoiling stuff. Let me know if there's interest.
I'm interested.
 
What might be concerning is that if you're very close to a reward, I might chose to give you guys a coop score reduction in order to win you a bigger prize. The bigger the roll the less likely this is, but smaller successes are more likely to result in this. It's not guaranteed one way or another but it is something that could happen.
Fair enough, that makes sense.

Given how high their bonus to the action in question would be I doubt we'd particularly have to worry but it's good to keep something like that in mind.
Edit: Potentially dumb question would people be interested in am informational post that's a TLDR of who characters were in the comics? It probably won't be super helpful but a sentence or two about each character's source material might get people who are less versed in comics some familiarity with things without overloading or spoiling stuff. Let me know if there's interest.
While I'm generally pretty good at knowing characters it definitely wouldn't hurt and would be interesting to read.
 
Unfortunately we have obligation to fulfill and an amazing opportunity to exploit. We really should deliver a more refined version of Odin when it comes to our final product, which means taking an action to improve the tech involved.

At the same time, a strong success in learn about kryptonite action in which Carol participates has the potential to let her learn to use her Star Sapphire ring to generate the effects of Kryptonite radiation. This, taken turn 33, and followed by an action for her to train her powers turn 34, would make her an amazing anti Kryptonean combatant in the upcoming invasion, which would be very usefull for convincing people she is a superior defender in comparison to superman.

The problem is, for strong teams for both, we need Karl to assist Caitlin and Pamela with ODIN, while Lex and Meena work with Carol to turn her into the ultimate loyal superman opponent. I'd hoped to make use of the bones serum as well.
Dude. This is not okay. The Bone Growth Serum is Karl's entire thing. It's going to have potentially serious loyalty effects if we try to put it off any longer, especially when he saw it through so gloriously this turn.

Karl is already kind of losing it. Pretending that his psychological wellbeing doesn't matter is not wise.
 
Broadly speaking it means you can get it out of the fruits and concentrate it and you have a DC reduction towards making it in a lab. The compound's really long complex and exotic (it makes PG5 look pleasant to work with).
Could we get a supercomputer action for it? Also how's our current stock of Gingo fruit looking?

Dude. This is not okay. The Bone Growth Serum is Karl's entire thing. It's going to have potentially serious loyalty effects if we try to put it off any longer, especially when he saw it through so gloriously this turn.

Karl is already kind of losing it. Pretending that his psychological wellbeing doesn't matter is not wise.
Yeah Karl's currently convinced himself that turning himself into a bone person is a great Idea and the therapy's only really convinced him to wait. If he isn't in a better headspace after his work on it this turn he's either going to want to improve it further or go full bone man
 
If we really wanted to have Karl undergo the bone treatment next turn, which assuming that it is finally finished there is a strong argument for, we could swap him and Devereux around.

It obviously wouldn't be as good but it would still be +76 and with a double down is liable to still be a significant success.
 
Could we get a supercomputer action for it? Also how's our current stock of Gingo fruit looking?
I might change my mind on it but I'm currently leaning on no. I'm willing to potentially give an action where rewards are capped to lower the DC of making it but considering the big barrier to making it is laboratory conditions, I'm leaning on not making it a supercomputer special action.

Your current stock of Gingo fruit is decent but nowhere near enough to reach anything even resembling mass production. I haven't been accounting for the fruit rotting considering its been years since you got them (I'd assume samples were being regrown at the same rate as fruit was being lost if you need an in universe explanation for mechanical simplicity), but you've got a "good supply". You've got enough for experimentation and working with lab rats or providing a few human test subjects but nowhere near what's needed for widespread trials.

Additionally before anyone asks, I'll be providing an action to begin growing Gingo fruit en masse using the growth formula so as to let you get more to prevent resource drain.
 
Your current stock of Gingo fruit is decent but nowhere near enough to reach anything even resembling mass production. I haven't been accounting for the fruit rotting considering its been years since you got them (I'd assume samples were being regrown at the same rate as fruit was being lost if you need an in universe explanation for mechanical simplicity), but you've got a "good supply". You've got enough for experimentation and working with lab rats or providing a few human test subjects but nowhere near what's needed for widespread trials.
Huh I just figured most of the samples were in cold storage.
 
Huh I just figured most of the samples were in cold storage.
That's honestly a better explanation then what I wrote. Still doesn't change that I didn't account for sample degradation to keep things simple but if people ask me about how you have preserved things, I'm taking what you initially figured as my actual answer
 
I'm not sure but I imagine that we'd have to specify which country we want to fight crime in which would effect the DC. If we are planning to build a tower in Paris or London/Manchester this turn then either France or England would probably be the best bets.
It only effects dc of buildings for every turn after the turn the action is taken. In other words we'd be targetting a city we would be building in later. I'd say england. The more crime we crush there, the more heroes and law enforcement they can spare to hunt after Black Banshee.
I'm slightly concerned that this might be an action that triggers Paige's trait, in which case it might be best to swap her and Marie around.
Fair enough.
I feel like this can wait. The main issue the rations have is the negative image of and potential legal precedents set by Brown's work being dragged though the mud. Solving that would make marketing our own rations significantly easier rather than fighting against the current.
Given the complete lack of an option to pursue the reversal of those legal precedents after hiring Enoch in any of the new action categories, it seems likely that reversing these precedents is an inherent part of the action, as having proof of there reversal is a key part of proving that we've had this science ratified against the assertions of any greedy naysayers.
I'm still a bit unsure about this. I completely understand the logic and it is a good idea but if we are planning to go full duel disk with our game systems having Frost on holograms would be very useful.
The duel disk game system is a whimsical, fun idea, but it can wait an turn while we increase our number of super computers for additional Comp actions to start working through the deluge of comp actions we've been wanting to take for quite some time.
This is a very solid team and probably has a good chance at getting both Tora and the Twins the traits they're on the verge of. Plus with the amount of cities we can help with that large a success we can establish both our team and LexCorp itself as truly multinational.
I believe the twins have a trait subvote from there success this turn, but yeah, focused on the right cities, this is a good way to extend our reach even further and maybe drop dc on some of the particularly hard cities.

While I wouldn't be opposed to doing this if we can't think of anything better for Nygma, Meld or Ve to do I'd kinda rather wait till we have done the demonology action. Though who knows, maybe if we get someone like Jason Blood that would work as well.
As for what else we may want them on, we probably should investigate the HIVE cell within the government at some point or dig into the Church of Blood further.
We really don't need a magic practitioner to get this done. Eve is confident in handling it herself with just access to Lexcorp resources. We are mainly chipping in for the benefits the action describes, which Nygma and Meld are more than sufficient for.

Our plan has long been to offload the government official tied to Kobra, Hive, and the cult of blood to Ra, and we are now locked into meeting him turn 33. Spending Nygma and Meld against whatever checks against discovery this individual has isn't a wise application of the duo if we intend to largely keep our hands clean in the us while focusing on collecting whatever we can from there allies.
While the thought did occur to me my thoughts are basically that as long as they succeed by enough there's unlikely to be any noticeable downside like a reduction in coop score, I could be wrong though,
I doubt there is a mechanical effect, but Narrative impact can be important, and I want to have Oswald work with Siobhan on music anyway. This way, we can take both actions, not run into any narrative personality clashes for Oswald +14, Leslie +12, instead of Leslie +12, Lisa +12, and Oswald and gets to have his finger on the pulse of our music studios public debute.
Ideally I would rather a higher bonus since while the DC is very low it's the sort of action that could be massively beneficial should we roll well enough.
As I've said, the dc is likely to drop further. We might even be able to bypass the need to take the action at all with this turns improve lasers subvote. I'm already agreeing to assign a fairly low dc action a solid hero it doesn't really need for the sake of pleasing a single general, when Odin will be tenfold as significant and affect likely the collective us military and Argus/Damocles willingness to work with us.

I'm balancing things as best I can to pursue a lot of popular and worthwhile actions, and that means there are limits to how much I can throw at other actions. Small combat drones would have 5 fold the impact and a third as much chance of success, but I'm not assigning it any hero units, because things are tight as is. It's just going to have to be one of our gambles.
To be fair while Meena is rather hyperactive and chatty she's far from an idiot. She knows how important keeping secrets when it comes to stuff like this is.

Villain on the other hand you're completely right about.
Yes, but she's not as used to keeping them from intelligent inner circle members trusted to work on other hush science projects, which is how Villain would rapidly learn of this advancement given a few months and possibly act on it to his benefit.



Though if we're looking for ways to reward Carol it might be worth reaching out to Giganta, it's a DC 27? action that Carol actively wants us to take and would potentially open up a new avenue of ways to condemn the Green Lanterns.

Also while we're discussing Diplomacy actions it may be worth it to take "[ ] Campaign to get the achievements of one of your workers recognized" at some point to get Caitlin and, unfortunately, Louise the Nobel Prize's that they definitely deserve.
It's a notably more difficult action to pass for unclear results, as opposed to doing a hard propaganda push with a decent team for more than one objective, or having Elaine and Moon wreck Hal's image with intrigue. Sorry to say I'm not in favor of it.

Maybe another turn but some of our ambitious actions and obligations are tying up some of our diplomacy heroes this one for it to be an option with the DC at 45 for both of them.

Fair enough, that makes sense.

Given how high their bonus to the action in question would be I doubt we'd particularly have to worry but it's good to keep something like that in mind.
I think king crimson is saying this relates more to the roll than there roll + the bonus. Ultimately, I feel with a team nearly as good with no risk of this happening, taking the action with Lisa & Leslie while Oswald does something else is the wiser move.
Dude. This is not okay. The Bone Growth Serum is Karl's entire thing. It's going to have potentially serious loyalty effects if we try to put it off any longer, especially when he saw it through so gloriously this turn.

Karl is already kind of losing it. Pretending that his psychological wellbeing doesn't matter is not wise.
I've been one of the biggest proponents of hero maitenance and one of the main people devoting time to keeping us on track these three turns we've been working towards this outcome.

I am not pretending that Karl's psychological health doesn't matter. I've spent entirely too much time arguing for the multiple actions, double downs, hero teams, and xp, some of it my own, allotted towards getting Karl to this outcome ever do that. I have devoted extensive effort to examining acceptable alternative options, to no success thus far.

Regrettably, Like Karl and Bone Growth Serum, there was also a slew of equally poorly managed Obligations and big picture priorities when I arrived to the quest, and while I've done my best to see them balanced over these recent turns, the priority has been highest on Karl these last 3 turns, leaving the other two to progress less, and now we find ourselves in a position where we cannot pursue all three based on current projections on available resources vs priorities turn 4.

As the window of Opportunity and Obligation is closing on the other two, while Karl can be put through therapy again and actually finish the serum(as it seems some degree of progress needed remains based on Lex's Narrative) and be in yet better shape when he takes it, the sensible choice is to take the hit with the understanding that we have worked hard to do right by Karl but sometimes things don't always work out the way we hoped.

Depending on certain yet to be determined outcomes as a result of subvotes this turn, that may change, and I hope it does so, but until then, I have to plan around needing Karl on a specific action because we didn't take that action last turn do to needing to recruit occultists for the trigon situation.
Yeah Karl's currently convinced himself that turning himself into a bone person is a great Idea and the therapy's only really convinced him to wait. If he isn't in a better headspace after his work on it this turn he's either going to want to improve it further or go full bone man
Based on the narrative accompanying the action in results 1, it does still need work, which means Karl isn't taking it before turn 34 even if everything works out, at which point it's better to just bit the bullet and therapy him again turn and apply bone serum turn 35. Regrettable, but that's what we get for letting moon work on something learning we wanted to use on important people.
If we really wanted to have Karl undergo the bone treatment next turn, which assuming that it is finally finished there is a strong argument for, we could swap him and Devereux around.

It obviously wouldn't be as good but it would still be +76 and with a double down is liable to still be a significant success.
There is a better team than that, even if it comes at a cost to another action, but the bigger problem is that if your putting a double down on that, and possibly only have Villain and Brown to oversee the BGS application with Karl plausibly in a containment chamber for the experiment, then you lack a double down to put on the bone growth serum application, as we are already planning to put one on Learn about Kryptonite and Raven's special action.


Additionally before anyone asks, I'll be providing an action to begin growing Gingo fruit en masse using the growth formula so as to let you get more to prevent resource drain.
I don't know. The dc is manageable for acquiring it, and there is the additional benefit of denying it to our competitors. Still in favor of taking the action to buy it up.
 
It only effects dc of buildings for every turn after the turn the action is taken. In other words we'd be targetting a city we would be building in later.
I was thinking of it less as lowering DC's and more the potential synergy or at least additional benefit of having our superheroes build up our reputation where we're also building a tower but fair points.
I'd say england. The more crime we crush there, the more heroes and law enforcement they can spare to hunt after Black Banshee.
There's also the risk that Black Banshee decides to target our superheroes if they're operating in the area but it's probably a rather small risk. I'd agree to have them work in England while Nathan builds a tower in Paris.
Given the complete lack of an option to pursue the reversal of those legal precedents after hiring Enoch in any of the new action categories, it seems likely that reversing these precedents is an inherent part of the action, as having proof of there reversal is a key part of proving that we've had this science ratified against the assertions of any greedy naysayers.
Alternatively I would argue that reversing Enoch's legal situation is locked behind improving his formula so that we can present it to the courts as evidence.

I could be wrong though, would you mind weighing in a bit here @King crimson?
The duel disk game system is a whimsical, fun idea, but it can wait an turn while we increase our number of super computers for additional Comp actions to start working through the deluge of comp actions we've been wanting to take for quite some time.
Fair though I would also agree with the previous sentiment that we should do something anti-Wayne other than just the auto kitchen this turn even if properly diving into the video game industry isn't it.

Ideally we can reasonably take the poach action, otherwise we could develop mobile games instead as a halfway point.
I believe the twins have a trait subvote from there success this turn, but yeah, focused on the right cities, this is a good way to extend our reach even further and maybe drop dc on some of the particularly hard cities.
Huh, you're right. My bad, I forgot.
We really don't need a magic practitioner to get this done. Eve is confident in handling it herself with just access to Lexcorp resources. We are mainly chipping in for the benefits the action describes, which Nygma and Meld are more than sufficient for.
That's fair, I'm just somewhat hesitant to dig into demon stuff without a dedicated magic user on the team though hopefully tracking it down won't require dealing with any actual demons.

Ideally when the time comes to confront the thing we can create a team than includes Raven to try and resolve Eve's issue with her somewhat.
Our plan has long been to offload the government official tied to Kobra, Hive, and the cult of blood to Ra, and we are now locked into meeting him turn 33. Spending Nygma and Meld against whatever checks against discovery this individual has isn't a wise application of the duo if we intend to largely keep our hands clean in the us while focusing on collecting whatever we can from there allies.
I feel like that's asking too much of Ra's, we could probably ask him to investigate Kobra and he'll us with Blood but the unknown HIVE asset seems like too much especially when we have allies within the US government we could contact instead.

If you ask me out plan should be:

- Ask Ra's to investigate Kobra
- Get Ra's to help us investigate Blood further.
- Deal with Blood ourselves as a demonstration for our superhero team.
- Investigate the HIVE cell within the government.
- Share what we discover with Eiling/Diana/Waller depending on the findings.
I doubt there is a mechanical effect, but Narrative impact can be important, and I want to have Oswald work with Siobhan on music anyway. This way, we can take both actions, not run into any narrative personality clashes for Oswald +14, Leslie +12, instead of Leslie +12, Lisa +12, and Oswald and gets to have his finger on the pulse of our music studios public debute.
You're forgetting to account for Oswald's TV trait but your overall point stands.
As I've said, the dc is likely to drop further. We might even be able to bypass the need to take the action at all with this turns improve lasers subvote. I'm already agreeing to assign a fairly low dc action a solid hero it doesn't really need for the sake of pleasing a single general, when Odin will be tenfold as significant and affect likely the collective us military and Argus/Damocles willingness to work with us.

I'm balancing things as best I can to pursue a lot of popular and worthwhile actions, and that means there are limits to how much I can throw at other actions. Small combat drones would have 5 fold the impact and a third as much chance of success, but I'm not assigning it any hero units, because things are tight as is. It's just going to have to be one of our gambles.
I do think you're underestimating the potential impact that developing these laser rifles could have.

We're talking about an action that could simultaneously have LexCorp become the supplier for a weapon that every single soldier in the US army is equipped with, significantly increase the strength of the US military and proliferate kryptonite on an unprecedented scale. Imagine: every single US soldier that Superman or any other Kryptonian encounters carrying a kryptonite laser rifle!

I'm by no means trying to downplay the importance of the other actions you've suggested, I fully support dedicating the resources to stuff like ODIN tech, but theoretically that is stuff that we can retry or touch up on. This could easily be our only chance to do this and too many times before have we screwed up the rollout of potentially revolutionary technology because we haven't been willing to dedicate proper resources to it.

All I'm saying is that it's worth having Rose and Mercy work in the laser rifle for one turn for the prospective long term benefits.
Yes, but she's not as used to keeping them from intelligent inner circle members trusted to work on other hush science projects, which is how Villain would rapidly learn of this advancement given a few months and possibly act on it to his benefit.
Fair enough.
It's a notably more difficult action to pass for unclear results, as opposed to doing a hard propaganda push with a decent team for more than one objective, or having Elaine and Moon wreck Hal's image with intrigue. Sorry to say I'm not in favor of it.

Maybe another turn but some of our ambitious actions and obligations are tying up some of our diplomacy heroes this one for it to be an option with the DC at 45 for both of them.
Fair points, I'd like to reach out to Giganta at some point but you're probably right that just sabotaging Hal is the better choice for now.

My only concern is the fucked up ways Moon might think of doing so…

Somebody is definitely getting cancer aren't they?
I think king crimson is saying this relates more to the roll than there roll + the bonus.
I don't think so? After all if we roll a 50 or a 5 doesn't really matter if the bonus boosts it enough.

I think his point is more say, if we ended up ten points shy of a really nice benefit he might have their coop take a hut and give us that benefit rather than maintain the coop but have us miss out on the benefit.

Not that I disagree with your overall point of course.
Based on the narrative accompanying the action in results 1, it does still need work, which means Karl isn't taking it before turn 34 even if everything works out, at which point it's better to just bit the bullet and therapy him again turn and apply bone serum turn 35. Regrettable, but that's what we get for letting moon work on something learning we wanted to use on important people.
I do think we should wait until we see the current state of the serum before we make any solid plans for Karl though I would also say that he's currently in the best place he has been since we recruited him. I don't think asking him to wait one turn if it is finished will cause him to have a meltdown with or without more therapy.
There is a better team than that, even if it comes at a cost to another action, but the bigger problem is that if your putting a double down on that, and possibly only have Villain and Brown to oversee the BGS application with Karl plausibly in a containment chamber for the experiment, then you lack a double down to put on the bone growth serum application, as we are already planning to put one on Learn about Kryptonite and Raven's special action.
Firstly I'm kinda operating on the assumption that BGS is more like the language spell than say HPI in that anyone can receive it and the DC is fairly low so we could just put Karl himself on it. Could be completely wrong though.

Secondly, while you raise a good point about Double Down's it is worth considering that we theoretically could get our fourth next turn. After all we're at 38 actions with the new tower and if Helena achieves her revenge it's entirely possible that she gets the small coop boost with Lex necessary to reach 1 and from there we'd just need one of our new occultists to have a similar coop.
I don't know. The dc is manageable for acquiring it, and there is the additional benefit of denying it to our competitors. Still in favor of taking the action to buy it up.
Keep in mind that Gingo fruit is, well, a fruit. We can't buy it all up and all it would take is someone getting their hands on a couple of them and having the resources to build a greenhouse that can simulate the necessary environment.

If we really want a monopoly in the stuff then our best bet would be to latent every Gingo fruit product we can think of before anyone else even knows to do so.

Gingold soft drink? Produced by LexCorp.
Gingo flexibility supplements? Produced by LexCorp.
Gingo elasticifier? Produced by LexCorp.
 
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I could be wrong though, would you mind weighing in a bit here @King crimson?
Apologies for taking a while my computer is acting up (for some reason the trackpad on my laptop is giving me hell).

Broadly speaking you're both off in that it's not legal perception you're working against so much as it is public perception of a situation that involved legalities. Proving that Enoch's formula is safe would achieve the result you are looking for though as it would prove that the initial example/precedent is wrong and that it's perfectly harmless, that much is correct.
 
I feel like that's asking too much of Ra's, we could probably ask him to investigate Kobra and he'll us with Blood but the unknown HIVE asset seems like too much especially when we have allies within the US government we could contact instead.

If you ask me out plan should be:

- Ask Ra's to investigate Kobra
- Get Ra's to help us investigate Blood further.
- Deal with Blood ourselves as a demonstration for our superhero team.
- Investigate the HIVE cell within the government.
- Share what we discover with Eiling/Diana/Waller depending on the findings.
This has been the plan for a while, and Ra still owes lex for gotham back on turn 21. It's a perfectly reasonable ask, well within Ra's abilities and the person involved is good enough at manipulating and circumventing the US government as to rob both the Argus and Doma with neither of them aware of it until we found some of there records among the loot from raiding a hive base.

Thus we turn to Ra, so there is no risk of this person realising we are onto them do to mistakenly informing a government ally who's forces they have already infiltrated.

You're forgetting to account for Oswald's TV trait but your overall point stands.
Fair.
Fair points, I'd like to reach out to Giganta at some point but you're probably right that just sabotaging Hal is the better choice for now.

My only concern is the fucked up ways Moon might think of doing so…

Somebody is definitely getting cancer aren't they?
I think the more likely result is moon dissects a bunch of body's, sows them back together and pretends they were living hostages, and makes it look like Hal botched a rescue where the hostages get largely melted by acid.

I do think we should wait until we see the current state of the serum before we make any solid plans for Karl though I would also say that he's currently in the best place he has been since we recruited him. I don't think asking him to wait one turn if it is finished will cause him to have a meltdown with or without more therapy
Fair.
Secondly, while you raise a good point about Double Down's it is worth considering that we theoretically outdo get our fourth next turn. After all we're at 38 actions with the new tower and if Helena achieves her revenge it's entirely possible that she gets the small coop boost with Lex necessary to reach 1 and from there we'd just need one of our new occultists to have a similar coop.
Yeah, that's what I meant by yet to be resolved consequences that could change the equation. There is an acceptable team that could be taken if we had 4 double downs but whether we have that is still up in the air, and until we do, I need to plan on the assumption that we fall a little short for not yet clear reasons.
Apologies for taking a while my computer is acting up (for some reason the trackpad on my laptop is giving me hell).

Broadly speaking you're both off in that it's not legal perception you're working against so much as it is public perception of a situation that involved legalities. Proving that Enoch's formula is safe would achieve the result you are looking for though as it would prove that the initial example/precedent is wrong and that it's perfectly harmless, that much is correct.
Very nice. This means either approach is valid, and we could shift either one without issue if a change in overall aimed for actions was called for. Thanks KC.
 
This has been the plan for a while, and Ra still owes lex for gotham back on turn 21. It's a perfectly reasonable ask, well within Ra's abilities and the person involved is good enough at manipulating and circumventing the US government as to rob both the Argus and Doma with neither of them aware of it until we found some of there records among the loot from raiding a hive base.

Thus we turn to Ra, so there is no risk of this person realising we are onto them do to mistakenly informing a government ally who's forces they have already infiltrated.
I was never a huge fan of that plan but fine, we offload the Kobra and HIVE investigations onto Ra's.

I still really think we should be taking care of the Blood situation ourselves, not only because it makes our superheroes look good but also taking down a Trigon cult will likely improve Raven's opinion of us fairly significantly.
I think the more likely result is moon dissects a bunch of body's, sows them back together and pretends they were living hostages, and makes it look like Hal botched a rescue where the hostages get largely melted by acid.
Maybe, I wouldn't out anything past Moon.
Yeah, that's what I meant by yet to be resolved consequences that could change the equation. There is an acceptable team that could be taken if we had 4 double downs but whether we have that is still up in the air, and until we do, I need to plan on the assumption that we fall a little short for not yet clear reasons.
Fair enough.

Oh by the way @King crimson how is Helena's assassination attempt going to work in regards to results. Will we see her attempt in Part 3 or will it be kept as it's own thing towards the end of the turn?
 
I was never a huge fan of that plan but fine, we offload the Kobra and HIVE investigations onto Ra's.

I still really think we should be taking care of the Blood situation ourselves, not only because it makes our superheroes look good but also taking down a Trigon cult will likely improve Raven's opinion of us fairly significantly.
We are only offloading the mysterious USA Official/Military Person onto Ra. Defeating Kobra and seizing there tech with our Superhero team is perfectly within the scope of our existing ambitions and parameters for establishing our superhero team, and we've succeeded enough against the Cult to handle them however we wish.
 
Hey @King crimson I'm curious. When it come to the rival rolls do you do them individually in batches or in one big pile of rolls?
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "big pile of rolls"? I do as many rolls as I can as soon as I can, meaning anything not checked by your actions gets done pretty fast. It doesn't take long for me to roll the dice and record my numbers so I can generally afford to be a little more specific, even if I don't roll for literally every character/hero unit.

Does that make sense? If I didn't answer your question I'm going to need further elaboration on what you are asking me.
 
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