- Location
- Europe
Also, another thing to add is that the map seems to be 90° off from the right, which means that the upper parts of it are the most eastern ones, while those at the bottom are the most western ones.
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It's a Girl's World -- And Lilly wants Adventure
- Thread starter Slyvena
- Start date
- Original Mature Fantasy Action
- Location
- Somewhere.
I wonder who the purple blob in the upper left corner is? Or the yellow one on the far left.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
calling it now: Lamric is the Necromancer Kingdom
- Location
- Somewhere.
Anyway! Let's think about paths forward from here.
If we're running, Loilsv (and just how do you pronounce that) and Scobar are the closest kingdoms to travel to. ...I don't like Loilsv. Sounds like the kind of country that at minimum is racist and could be slavers or genocidal or worse. So, Scobar. "At Any Cost". What they're buying with that price, i don't know, but we might be able to get some political leverage by helping pay it. Assuming it's not evil, which we really shouldn't, but they do have an Evil-Coded Geographical Feature right to the south of them. (Manoth, is that you?)
Marigold is coming in from Parisi, and Valerie from...Most likely Loilsv. I don't think we can run the two of them into eachother at the moment without good timing and possibly a boat, but it does depend on their travel speeds.
If we're running, Loilsv (and just how do you pronounce that) and Scobar are the closest kingdoms to travel to. ...I don't like Loilsv. Sounds like the kind of country that at minimum is racist and could be slavers or genocidal or worse. So, Scobar. "At Any Cost". What they're buying with that price, i don't know, but we might be able to get some political leverage by helping pay it. Assuming it's not evil, which we really shouldn't, but they do have an Evil-Coded Geographical Feature right to the south of them. (Manoth, is that you?)
Marigold is coming in from Parisi, and Valerie from...Most likely Loilsv. I don't think we can run the two of them into eachother at the moment without good timing and possibly a boat, but it does depend on their travel speeds.
Solarstream
It's all in the cards
- Location
- Zombie World
- Pronouns
- He/Him
what's the name of that not-at-all-suspicious castle in the northeast corner of the map?
looks like P'm or something like that
looks like P'm or something like that
Edifier
Trusted within thoughts.
- Location
- Court of Moon Wizards
Mama Momoth of night Lillies. Wish I had written that in as one of the interests to visit the original lilly patch.
Could have gotten a message from our eldrich mom on that our sister is on the way.
And really, there is a lot to thank her for granting Lilly the power to have multiple ethoses. It's her and Evie's teamwork in the backround that has brought Lilly where she is today.
Could have gotten a message from our eldrich mom on that our sister is on the way.
And really, there is a lot to thank her for granting Lilly the power to have multiple ethoses. It's her and Evie's teamwork in the backround that has brought Lilly where she is today.
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
We just don't have time!
That being said
Based on the fact Smart!Evie seemed to think getting onto Manoth's A-list was a good idea (When her plan was "Bunker up and ride this apocalypse out"), it does seem to be in favor of "(Inverted) Ethae incline you to be an evil overlord, but don't demand it, it's just the natural consequences of having an OP Ethos that gets Gravitas most easily by doing OP things with it."
Since, you know, getting caught up in a supervillain spiral doesn't really help the whole "Don't die early" thing.
It probably does more or less Pavlov you into being a supervillain if it's the only thing you've got... But looking at this map? Looking at the fucking Words these nations throw out?
Well.
Maybe it is time for Magical Princess Overlord Lilly to shine?
That being said
Based on the fact Smart!Evie seemed to think getting onto Manoth's A-list was a good idea (When her plan was "Bunker up and ride this apocalypse out"), it does seem to be in favor of "(Inverted) Ethae incline you to be an evil overlord, but don't demand it, it's just the natural consequences of having an OP Ethos that gets Gravitas most easily by doing OP things with it."
Since, you know, getting caught up in a supervillain spiral doesn't really help the whole "Don't die early" thing.
It probably does more or less Pavlov you into being a supervillain if it's the only thing you've got... But looking at this map? Looking at the fucking Words these nations throw out?
Well.
Maybe it is time for Magical Princess Overlord Lilly to shine?
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A few deliberately vague and ominous slogans are not a causus belli for world conquest.
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
Hmm once again I ask myself what the Inverted part of Inverted Ethos means. We know that Ethea are like programs or structures that Anchor the Soul in certain ways that allow powers to manifest for some vague goal. But how would you Invert that? I doubt it's just dropping the Ethos upside down or whatever. Is it Inverting the goal? Where as Ethea seem to be about raising people up on a path that I assume strengthens the Soul that maybe ends by becoming a God does Inverted have an opposite goal fall into becoming a demon? But that implies all Ethea have the same overall goal which feels weird since I bet there's tons of Murderous Asshole Ethos along with Literal Saint ones.
Does it have to do with the method then? Where as normal Ethea seem to promote growth in the Soul an Inverted Ethos would instead consume parts of the Soul for power? This would fit the unstable dark lord who inevitably has to die feel Inverted ethea seem to give off. This also fits in how the unlock conditions for Inverted Ethea seem to be Trauma or Loss of Innocence which probably reflects in a change in the Soul and Inverted Ethea's descriptions seem to encourage letting that pain consume you and everyone else.
Does it have to do with the method then? Where as normal Ethea seem to promote growth in the Soul an Inverted Ethos would instead consume parts of the Soul for power? This would fit the unstable dark lord who inevitably has to die feel Inverted ethea seem to give off. This also fits in how the unlock conditions for Inverted Ethea seem to be Trauma or Loss of Innocence which probably reflects in a change in the Soul and Inverted Ethea's descriptions seem to encourage letting that pain consume you and everyone else.
Edifier
Trusted within thoughts.
- Location
- Court of Moon Wizards
The answer is simple as it gets.
Every Ethea gets more powerful when you do things that they are meant for.
Everyone has an Ethos. The more general, the simpler the power is the easier it's to upgrade it.
The rearer it is the more specialized it becomes, and conditions to level it become more difficult.
Inverted Ethos is about fulfilling a need that has been neglected, and to get that Ethos powerful you need to do specific things.
If you don't follow and use your ethos then you stay and become weak.
Like if Lilly got the inverted lore Ethos from everyone refusing to tell her anything. If you apply normal constraints on it... you end up with a powerless girl who will be weaker than everyone else. The only thing she has is taking other's knowledge, their skills. And to stand up for herself she would have to weaponize it as an Ethos that destroys minds. A mental crush as to speak.
Which is a very unique form of attack, and in that it'd be powerful.
She'd find secrets, get skills like Victor steals them, and if she survives long enough she would become like Glaistig Uaine stealing powers as well.
Whatever Ethos the user picks it will be their only path to power, it would also make her an enemy in the sense that it's unconventional and that it steals lots of secrets, and this specific one would scale really well since then it unlocks a multi Ethos kind of setup at the upper tiers.
In Lilly's spirit sister's case, even tho it's not inverted, she has the black widow kind of power. A succubus vampire kind of thing. A geisha, an assassin that scales up to take down those powerful than her. She too has only a single path, the moment she isn't in cities or places where her power scales up she becomes weak.
She killed the noble or whoever that was with her ethos, now she is homeless and weak. What is she gonna do? Her only choice is to seek out, probably with one of her powers, the kind of people who would prey on her.
Or find those who are willing to let her drain them and drink their blood. Which she said some exist but they are the rare suicidally reckless types, but few and in that it's troublesome.
Other things like service to man... well, that has you working as a drone in civilisation.
Or alternative brave blood, wanderer. They would be easy to follow through... tho wanderer not if conscripted.
Cleaver of Fortune would be difficult and the opposite, since it's about making your own fate. But you need to start from a position of power and influence. Either money, land, family with powerful Ethos, or in Lilly's case multiple powerful Ethos.
Cleaver of Fortune would have to be used on little things to little effect. It came with the warning of people seeking out to use you or remove you from the board since it counters fortune telling.
In hindsight I missed your whole point of the question. What does Inverted mean in the ethos.
Like in Lilly's case, why is it an inverted
But there are bound to be Ethos intended for stealing knowledge that are not Inverted. Right?
Then again~, Ethos are made by the cultures and perceptions of man. So stealing knowledge, taking it from someone's mind, perhaps this kind of Ethos would only exist in an inverted form. Since it goes against what is culturally viewed as OK.
Otherwise, you'd have a learning ethos. Like the Flow one that was about... about... Jack of all trades. Learn faster, use lots of things in combination, multitasking. I imagine that was flow.
Every Ethea gets more powerful when you do things that they are meant for.
Everyone has an Ethos. The more general, the simpler the power is the easier it's to upgrade it.
The rearer it is the more specialized it becomes, and conditions to level it become more difficult.
Inverted Ethos is about fulfilling a need that has been neglected, and to get that Ethos powerful you need to do specific things.
If you don't follow and use your ethos then you stay and become weak.
Like if Lilly got the inverted lore Ethos from everyone refusing to tell her anything. If you apply normal constraints on it... you end up with a powerless girl who will be weaker than everyone else. The only thing she has is taking other's knowledge, their skills. And to stand up for herself she would have to weaponize it as an Ethos that destroys minds. A mental crush as to speak.
Which is a very unique form of attack, and in that it'd be powerful.
She'd find secrets, get skills like Victor steals them, and if she survives long enough she would become like Glaistig Uaine stealing powers as well.
Whatever Ethos the user picks it will be their only path to power, it would also make her an enemy in the sense that it's unconventional and that it steals lots of secrets, and this specific one would scale really well since then it unlocks a multi Ethos kind of setup at the upper tiers.
In Lilly's spirit sister's case, even tho it's not inverted, she has the black widow kind of power. A succubus vampire kind of thing. A geisha, an assassin that scales up to take down those powerful than her. She too has only a single path, the moment she isn't in cities or places where her power scales up she becomes weak.
She killed the noble or whoever that was with her ethos, now she is homeless and weak. What is she gonna do? Her only choice is to seek out, probably with one of her powers, the kind of people who would prey on her.
Or find those who are willing to let her drain them and drink their blood. Which she said some exist but they are the rare suicidally reckless types, but few and in that it's troublesome.
Other things like service to man... well, that has you working as a drone in civilisation.
Or alternative brave blood, wanderer. They would be easy to follow through... tho wanderer not if conscripted.
Cleaver of Fortune would be difficult and the opposite, since it's about making your own fate. But you need to start from a position of power and influence. Either money, land, family with powerful Ethos, or in Lilly's case multiple powerful Ethos.
Cleaver of Fortune would have to be used on little things to little effect. It came with the warning of people seeking out to use you or remove you from the board since it counters fortune telling.
In hindsight I missed your whole point of the question. What does Inverted mean in the ethos.
Like in Lilly's case, why is it an inverted
It's from strong emotions and intense desires. Ones that have been denied by the people around you and the culture.
But there are bound to be Ethos intended for stealing knowledge that are not Inverted. Right?
Then again~, Ethos are made by the cultures and perceptions of man. So stealing knowledge, taking it from someone's mind, perhaps this kind of Ethos would only exist in an inverted form. Since it goes against what is culturally viewed as OK.
Otherwise, you'd have a learning ethos. Like the Flow one that was about... about... Jack of all trades. Learn faster, use lots of things in combination, multitasking. I imagine that was flow.
I think Inverted ethos means it's outside cultural norms. Outside what has been accepted by the culture. An inversion of common sense - whatever is common to the time and culture. Inverted meaning outside our cultural context, Ethos that usually are unavalible.
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You seem to have conflated Valerie and Marigold here. Marigold appears to be quite fine with what she is doing, and is not mind controlling herself. Valerie, as far as I am aware, hasn't been stated or implied to specialize in punching above her weight class, though she is quite powerful. She is also not related in Lilly in any sense.
And maybe the theories about Myah? While there's a lot of blood theming in Marigold's powers, I don't think it's the blood specifically that's sustaining/empowering her and I don't think voluntary donations would even work.
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Edifier
Trusted within thoughts.
- Location
- Court of Moon Wizards
These 2 notes. I realized Imposition could be amazing in upgrading our family and army. Lilly uses her own essence to make her body more than human. An she is an Essence construct with {In Thy Likeness}, an living artifact. From what She has been doing to dad, improving and healing family. She can re-arrange people. Especially with the help of [My Resolution, Thy Bedrock].
And if it's impossible right now, imposition would make it possible. If it is possible, then imposition would allow it to become permanent.
What is more than imposition allows Lilly to build her Edifice to Heaven within her dream, or extend it into there, into the Dream within the Forest. Into her main Ethos.
Imposition looks like the route of Jailbreaking our powers, giving them more potential to interact, looser restrictions, options for permanance.
I'm a bit overwhelmed by this, to the point of wanting to dismiss every other option.
Yes you are right. I did mix those 2 up. I was only talking about Marigold.
There is confirmation.
Her Ethos is all blood, to the point of it almost looking like a body snatcher ethos.
It does work. Just... the people who would accept are few and far between.
The dungeon in our forest is doing that. We've seen it use flow to hide monsters. Clever girl. What a naughty girl! Makes me proud of it!
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- Location
- Somewhere.
wat.
No, Marigold is the vampire lady in the interlude. Valerie and Abeoloth(sp?) are the autobrainwashing girl and her demon.
Edifier
Trusted within thoughts.
- Location
- Court of Moon Wizards
Talk about POV switches.They confuse me too much it seems.
So far I've been thinking Marigold and Valerie where. Hmm. The same.
Marigold and then Valerie.... Valerie with Abby... whoever that is. I need to do a bit of rereading.
I like Valerie and Abby. So a mind control power, which she uses to not just control people but also the wind to scout and equipment to pack itself. I like that power a lot.
tho shame she has managed to collect mental trauma through zelgo text murder to the point of breaking down without self brainwashing. Which wears off in a couple of days.Edit: Abby is short for Aboleath. Dunno more about him.
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- Location
- Somewhere.
Abby is Blue Text, and probably either something like Ev'lidagjkdagjkadgl (not to be confused with Evie), or a sapient Ethos with an agenda. Could even be a fragment of the Colossus!
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- Pronouns
- She/Her
Aboleath might just be his full name, but I'm not sure it sounds spirit nonsense-y enough. What about A'boleæat-h, the Servant of Hunger, The Maw of Souls, Tormentor of Angels?
I don't know why but in my mind I have this image of Abby as this super edgy evil spirit thing.
I don't know why but in my mind I have this image of Abby as this super edgy evil spirit thing.
- Location
- San Ramon, CA
Well, a spirit's title may not be as...informative as we think. Ev'aclliál, Ambrosia of Joy, was totally willing to roboticize Lilly, and Flower's many titles feel like more a function of arrogance than a descriptor of its nature.
Also, I'm not really getting a "super edgy evil" vibe from Abby as much as Mindstate levels of efficiency. Valerie needs to collect Deific Fragments and continue to develop her skill. The bloody trail they leave behind them only matters to the degree that they might get caught, and that Valerie needs to use her ability to periodically brainwash herself so the collective guilt doesn't crush her psyche. There is no sadism, vengeance, or murderous camaraderie; there is only the mission, no matter the cost.
Slyvena
I don't like pie.
- Location
- Pie Shop
Lowie-sive, the 2nd L is silent.
60 Hour work weeks are a pain. Took a bit of time to recharge on some other creative writing aswell to avoid burnout.
That said, got 11K done on next chapter and the last two scenes left to write. So fingers crossed I'll be done soonish.
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
- Location
- United States
Eventually we'll reach Avalanche levels of word count creep.
- Location
- Somewhere.
I hope we don't reach Avalanche levels of Update Dilation.
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
- Location
- United States
October is eternal.
The Eternal Vigil continues.
...Now I want a mecha ethos <_<
...Now I want a mecha ethos <_<
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Well, with enough development, maybe we can make one!
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Look, the transition into mecha magitech fantasy is inevitable. Why else would {Primordial Chassis} be a thing? Blatant foreshadowing!
Edit: { instead of [
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