It's a Girl's World -- And Lilly wants Adventure
Slyvena
I don't like pie.
- Location
- Pie Shop
Cost saving measure. The Bars were prefabbed elsewhere, so Harmuph bought enough to forge a gate with holes most kids with have trouble with and no adult would have a chance at. Lilly has the strength and coordination to step through almost entirely horizontally, her shoulder breadth was just small enough.
I'm afraid that the Post-Gravatic Factor for 2.5 is already well and truly into the positives.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Speaking of which, is there a Secret Challenge involved with decoding all the Concordancebabble shit or is that just neat stuff?
- Location
- San Ramon, CA
Do not fear the label of Apocrypha, for even if one shoots an arrow into darkness, they may yet give a glancing blow to the truth.
Good to know. I'll probably take a stab at something tomorrow anyway; I like the story so far and I enjoy musing about it on its own merits.
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
- Location
- United States
- Location
- Ekaterinburg, Russia
There is no almost. Just because the charsheet entry is blacked out does not mean it is not filled in, and if you click on the relevant cell in the grid you can look up into the relevant line (on top of the sheet but below the menus) and see that it's Legend. Just because Lilly hasn't twigged onto it yet does not mean we can't peek behind the curtain.
Edifier
Trusted within thoughts.
- Location
- Court of Moon Wizards
And legend looks to be another layer of reality. One where multiple people work at the same time.
Legend might be the dreamscape. But then it might be more than just a dreamscape.
Something I didn't note on my concordance babble is that the low tension and high tension if they have other ethos, will also allow to affect other people's Tension and use them. Cleaver is a Lilly-centric one, which may be an outlier.
And fracture. I think fracture users will be able to manipulate other people's fractures too. Like if they make some realities simply inaccessible to their enemies.
Legend might be the dreamscape. But then it might be more than just a dreamscape.
Pretending as if that is a negative thing. Pff. To me, it sounds like we've almost won.
Something I didn't note on my concordance babble is that the low tension and high tension if they have other ethos, will also allow to affect other people's Tension and use them. Cleaver is a Lilly-centric one, which may be an outlier.
And fracture. I think fracture users will be able to manipulate other people's fractures too. Like if they make some realities simply inaccessible to their enemies.
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Right now I'm thinking that there is Legend information in that Yalśfreet interlude. That cathedral he created, it contained murals, paintings, windows and who knows what else of "tiny feeble figures locked in miniscule conflicts, but portrayed as if they were epic contests of cosmic relevance". Who's to say that it didn't contain eight certain clay and mud statues, well maybe not clay and mud but those eight statues nonetheless. Maybe Yalśfreet created Legend along with Essense, maybe Legend was already there and creating that cathedral and all it contained was using it somehow.
The Night's Lily patch is probably also making use of Legend. It was described as older than magic and impossible for Lilly to get lost trying to head to it, similar to the statues in the forest.
The Night's Lily patch is probably also making use of Legend. It was described as older than magic and impossible for Lilly to get lost trying to head to it, similar to the statues in the forest.
- Location
- Ekaterinburg, Russia
So about these. I suspect that Name related Ethae are Legend based, actually. IIRC we have one Ethos with Legend revealed and it mentions known feats (or something).
Edit: In the Primordial Chassis, it has an entry "Active Features/Feats".
Duty of Wood IIRC was mentioned to be Oath. As in "you would have known how Oath works if you had picked Duty of Wood" by Slyvena.
Lamenter sounds more Essence like.
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- They/Them
That is entirely beside my point. My point was that the guy was testing us for healing ability, when that is a) not really the best thing [Dream Within The Forest] has to offer and b) even then once we unlocked the locus we could do healing just by sheer force of Essence because we had so much. But considering that [Dream Within The Forest] can restore Pithe users, shipping us off to healer's school would've been a massive waste of potential in the first place. So I gotta wonder how many people's Ethea get either overlooked or bent into way worse shapes than they could've developed into because the examination system is kinda bad and the social order isn't really interested in giving everyone a fair shot at picking their Ethos and developing it.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Huh.
I wonder then, if Legend is a mirror of Concordance?
"Concordance is what cause and effect are and the projected outcome of such. Legend then deals with the overarching narrative of history that guides the decisions of all the players involved." Rather than being probabilities, Legend is stories. The Hero always rises to face the Demon Lord, Tyrants never rule forever, and Evil can never be wholly stamped out.
So like, if Concordance is plotting out the course of history, Legend might be a force of gravity that ensures all outcomes fall along a certain range of outcomes instead of being total madness?
I wonder then, if Legend is a mirror of Concordance?
"Concordance is what cause and effect are and the projected outcome of such. Legend then deals with the overarching narrative of history that guides the decisions of all the players involved." Rather than being probabilities, Legend is stories. The Hero always rises to face the Demon Lord, Tyrants never rule forever, and Evil can never be wholly stamped out.
So like, if Concordance is plotting out the course of history, Legend might be a force of gravity that ensures all outcomes fall along a certain range of outcomes instead of being total madness?
- Location
- Ekaterinburg, Russia
I am in agreement to the extent I expect it to be like the system from A Practical Guide to Evil.
Previous successes are likely to breed more success. Previous actions of someone weigh in on their future.
We can actually see that Marigold has access to Legend, btw.
- Location
- Europe
I think Legend has a higher scope than Concordance; it is more likely that Concordance mostly tries to skim through the limits of Legend to achieve its goals. Which is probably why Concordance is different from most of the other "normal" sources.
Thinking about this, the fact that Oath, the other "normal" source which is different from the others, has as part of its portfolio the dealings with Deific creatures, makes me think that the whole "lesser sources are trying to skim through the higher scope ones" may be even more likely.
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- Ekaterinburg, Russia
Huh. Actually makes sense. A lot of sense.
If we peek behind the curtain, the three higher Sources are indeed Deific, Legend and Maw (props to Alectai for guessing correctly).
Then there is Oath and Concordance, Pithe and Essence, Flow and Mana.
We know Pithe and Essence are both gifts from the Divine. We guess Oath and Concordance are "lesser" sources subordinated to Deific and Legend respectively.
Wonder if there is some kind of theme for the last pair.
If we peek behind the curtain, the three higher Sources are indeed Deific, Legend and Maw (props to Alectai for guessing correctly).
Then there is Oath and Concordance, Pithe and Essence, Flow and Mana.
We know Pithe and Essence are both gifts from the Divine. We guess Oath and Concordance are "lesser" sources subordinated to Deific and Legend respectively.
Wonder if there is some kind of theme for the last pair.
Edifier
Trusted within thoughts.
- Location
- Court of Moon Wizards
Oath is directly connected to the soul and manipulating the soul. Changing the soul, putting in instructions, conditions, and other things.
Flow is connected to the mind, a person's and the collective consciousnes's.
Concordance is connected to making an interface with the concord.
Essense is a layer of connections in the melange, the currently active history and what keeps living things operating. Note: I assume melange is the reality we perceive where all powers intersect.
Pith is a god who has turned himself into one of the powers, weaving himself into the concord or something along those lines.
Mana is a programming code, can maniluplate the melange directly.
Legend is stories, feats, notable events.
Maw is the recycler.
Deific is a wild card. The gods and their powers. Individual entities and spirits granting their boons.
Or at least that's what I've assumed thus far.
Flow is connected to the mind, a person's and the collective consciousnes's.
Concordance is connected to making an interface with the concord.
Essense is a layer of connections in the melange, the currently active history and what keeps living things operating. Note: I assume melange is the reality we perceive where all powers intersect.
Pith is a god who has turned himself into one of the powers, weaving himself into the concord or something along those lines.
Mana is a programming code, can maniluplate the melange directly.
Legend is stories, feats, notable events.
Maw is the recycler.
Deific is a wild card. The gods and their powers. Individual entities and spirits granting their boons.
Or at least that's what I've assumed thus far.
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- They/Them
the same is true for Essence tho. Essence is what Yalsfreet created at the end of the First Era by fusing himself into the Melange Layer.
re: Legend I think the theory that it's what helps enable broad strokes narrative is a good theory, though I'd like to propose an alternative: Perhaps Legend is less something that exists to shape the Melange Layer and instead is something that developed out of it. Something that is created whenever mortals do something sufficiently noteworthy/legendary it'd create an impression in the fabric of the layer that future mortals can draw power from by emulating it. If Legend were simply about creating the narratives then I think we'd see it in more places, like the suspected Final Boss Dungeon Foundational Ethos that Manoth offered us to pick up, since these narratives need both good and evil to exist.
Edifier
Trusted within thoughts.
- Location
- Court of Moon Wizards
These 2 describe both legend and what a mix of legend and concordance is, in magibabble however.
AH right. Marigold too.
What have we done. With our new brave scholding blood ethos... will she even be able to drink our blood? Since one of our solutions at the time was to have her be like a parasite on Lilly, or a communal relationship, or even mutualistic.
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- They/Them
Huh, I had forgotten that two of the Foundational Ethea were sourced from Legend
That very much makes it sound like Legend is specifically meant to empower legendary individuals in some way, since that seems like the purpose of both. Both having your layer-limiters removed and having your Integration Vector adjusted sound like they'd result in reaching levels of power that'd be the stuff of legends for mortals.
Maybe the Legend element of [Dream Within The Forest] is meant to allow the wielder of the Integration Vector to empower others through the support that the Vector's abilities can offer. The wielder of the Vector would then take the position of the helpful witch/mage that appears to the hero in a dream to offer a boon or something along those lines.
That very much makes it sound like Legend is specifically meant to empower legendary individuals in some way, since that seems like the purpose of both. Both having your layer-limiters removed and having your Integration Vector adjusted sound like they'd result in reaching levels of power that'd be the stuff of legends for mortals.
Maybe the Legend element of [Dream Within The Forest] is meant to allow the wielder of the Integration Vector to empower others through the support that the Vector's abilities can offer. The wielder of the Vector would then take the position of the helpful witch/mage that appears to the hero in a dream to offer a boon or something along those lines.
Edifier
Trusted within thoughts.
- Location
- Court of Moon Wizards
That would be possible as well. Since Lilly can form {sympathetic linkage} through the dream, she could even look at a person's past and history with the {recalled genesis}, sum total of a person's events looking back through essence's history to the beginning. That may be partially a legend-type power, Lilly has stated that Essence naturally ties to the origin of things. And through that connection, Lilly could unfold their legend and nurture it.
Tho they are dungeons, their purpose is to improve the challengers and to obstruct. So I think they either tie existing legends into their fate or help the challengers develop their own.
Tho they are dungeons, their purpose is to improve the challengers and to obstruct. So I think they either tie existing legends into their fate or help the challengers develop their own.
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Is there more to an Inverted Ethos then Sources working differently? A normal Ethos is very stable and an Inverted Ethos from what is known seems unstable, prone to self destructive actions on the person's part. Why? Zach has a High risk of a mental breakdown and violent reaction if he where to gain an Inverted Ethos. Ethos connect to the soul so any problems must be with that connection to the soul.
Normal Ethos are 'grafted' onto the soul, they are foreign things that slowly become a part of a person's soul. What if what makes an Ethos an Inverted one is if it draws out a person soul into the shape of the Ethos. There would be no slow integration, it would be a sudden and violent affair, unstable and traumatic to the soul until a balance or equilibrium is reached. Perhaps the Sources working differently is because of this instability and trauma.
Normal Ethos are 'grafted' onto the soul, they are foreign things that slowly become a part of a person's soul. What if what makes an Ethos an Inverted one is if it draws out a person soul into the shape of the Ethos. There would be no slow integration, it would be a sudden and violent affair, unstable and traumatic to the soul until a balance or equilibrium is reached. Perhaps the Sources working differently is because of this instability and trauma.
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- They/Them
Speaking about Legend: I'm wondering whether [Dream Within The Forest] might not be Legend/Essence at this point rather than Essence/Legend. I'd really like to see another Ethos develop a secondary source type to see where in the sheet it gets placed, because the cell where it notes Legend is placed so that casually it already reads Legend/Essence rather than the opposite.
Additionally the Channel score for Legend that [Dream Within The Forest] provides has been ---SH compared to M Essence channeling ever since we picked it up, so the Legend elements must have been there in some capacity even before we picked up {Collective Communion} and had Legend officially appear on the sheet.
Also: while I'm not sure what to make of it yet, I think it's noteworthy that Legend cannot have a value for either Inner Awareness or Innate Source, both are just default N/A on the sheet. That means it's impossible to generate Legend on your own and always have to channel it from somewhere else as well as that it's not something you can observe inside your own body/soul, only outside of it.
Additionally the Channel score for Legend that [Dream Within The Forest] provides has been ---SH compared to M Essence channeling ever since we picked it up, so the Legend elements must have been there in some capacity even before we picked up {Collective Communion} and had Legend officially appear on the sheet.
Also: while I'm not sure what to make of it yet, I think it's noteworthy that Legend cannot have a value for either Inner Awareness or Innate Source, both are just default N/A on the sheet. That means it's impossible to generate Legend on your own and always have to channel it from somewhere else as well as that it's not something you can observe inside your own body/soul, only outside of it.
- Location
- Czech Republic
So it's basically old saying: "when you gaze into abyss, abyss gazes into you". Made into item.
Now Lily just needs to turn it into it's head like Dead King from APTGE. "I stared into the abyss and found what stared back… wanting."
- Location
- Europe
Well, there must be a reason for it being in the abyss in the first place. And there is a good chance it is even an embarrassing one.
- Location
- Dragyxx
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Well, we're already checking a lot of Outer God boxes. Maybe if we keep things up we'll end up finding that the Abyss is actually rather comfy after you spruce it up a bit, transplant some Dream-plants, and maybe put in a Lamp of Hope or three. Might have to chase some of the current denizens out first, but maybe some of them will appreciate the change.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
If I were to bet? The rose is a Concordant Link so he can control your fate remotely. But investigating it closely transmits that concordant link into your head, where he can now control even your thoughts.
Senus is a confirmed Concordance primary, this seems entirely in theme with his character that he has an artifact that lets him control the very fate of his victims.
Now, the interesting thing I just noticed is. Kaymie also has Holistics based on how she was described, she's not that much older than Lilly is. We also know that most people only get their Mastery Perks around level 30, and that losing people with Masteries is painful enough that it was enough to deter Waters from pressing the issue. (Suggesting every Thirty is a non-trivial investment even for a group that sports Concordance, Flow, and Oath specialists)
Except if they could rapidly raise Kaymie's level, why are they reluctant to lose other people with Masteries? If they can't, does that mean Kaymie is another Divine Shard holder and what Waters and Senus are collecting are Divine Shard bearers?
The only source we've seen so far that can rapidly churn out Gravitas are Foundations, is this more proof that Waters and his coterie were involved in the raising up of [Rapid Iterator] and are trying to exploit it? It would explain why only his inner circle and Concordance bound servitors are entitled to exploiting it so far (Hence his sensitivity to losing Thirties)
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