Hmmph... this junior is a good seed [Cultivation Management Quest]

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Maybe the land isn't so good from a spirit stone perspective but it has a lot of beasts and can probably support at least two nacesent souls on that alone, infrastructure can be built up and with them receiving half of the income from thier former lands they will have the mony to do and because of the peace with us the time to do so.

As to being low-risk wealthy magnets they can probably adapted to being somthing else.

I cant really say anything about the risk of betrayal as that will always be a concern but of we can manage to get the sps to guarantee the deal those concerns will lessen and do keep in mined that one of the draws for the jingsan is not needing to go war to the knife with us and that they get closer to thier ally's.
Basically, from my read of what the Jingshen actually want, this is putting them in a worse position than the one they're in right now, and putting them at risk to do it, while giving us all the gains. Why on earth would they agree to that?

Now, if we utterly thrash them in war, and it becomes clear that they cannot hold, then I could see this as a way to manage the post-battle carve-up. The combined group heds in and thrashes the devil bees, the Jingshen get the devil bee lands, and we get the Jingshen lands. As a way to handle the aftermath fo a succsessful campaign, it has a fair bit to recommend it.

- For the Jingshen, they get to not die, and they get to have lands that can be made reasonably productive, and that they won't have to fight us for.
- For the SPS, they get to save face, because their intervention clearly saved this group that they had promised to save. Also, it simplifies their position in the Great War by a fair bit.
- For the Righteous groups in general... well, they might not like the fact that the Golden Devils now own All The Spirit Mines, but at the same time, having the Devil Bees wiped out is awfully nice.
- For us, a Jingshen clan in the Devil Bee lands won't have anything like the same kind of incentives to attack us, and also we get to claim that sweet, sweet desert hegemony without pissing off the righteous sects too much.

So, as a way to let us conquer the Jingshen lands without triggering an invading coalition, it has a fair bit going for it. It's the sort of thing we get in the aftermath of successfully prosecuting that war, though, rather than something we get to do to skip the Jingshen war in the first place.
 
Basically, from my read of what the Jingshen actually want, this is putting them in a worse position than the one they're in right now, and putting them at risk to do it, while giving us all the gains. Why on earth would they agree to that?
What do you think they want? My read is that they want thier rule of the clan to be secured.
 
What do you think they want? My read is that they want thier rule of the clan to be secured.
In an immediate sense, they want to take the Scorpion Road from us and thereby dramatically increase their available funds.

Old Jingshen doesn't like fighting. He doesn't like pushing his descendants particularly hard, and he doesn't like to see them threatened. He does like having lots and lots of money, and having influence as a result of that. He wants to play the merchant/econ/stewardship game and win. He doesn't really care about or trust anyone who's not family. By extension, he really likes the fact that the Jingshen cultivation scheme is pure command economy - it lets him advantage his own descendants heavily without particular effort or difficulty.

Jiao doesn't like fighting. She likes diplomacy and getting along. She... probably likes the environment that Old Jingshen has created for her just fine.

For these goals, as far as they're concerned, their current position is pretty good. They dig a bunch of spirit stones out of the ground, Old Jingshen gets to decide who gets how many, and then they send some of the rest off to the lands of the other Righteous Powers to buy protection. The only fly in the ointment is that they're next to us, which puts them under threat, and also keeps taking money out of their purse. If they could just take the Scorpion Road from us, and no longer have to pay tolls, while pushing us into the marginalized parts of the desert where nobody goes and also maybe extracting tolls from what's left of us? That would be great.

For these goals, the Devil Bee lands are lousy. The primary cultivation source goes from Spirit Stones (centralized, controllable, usable as traded wealth) to Beast Cores (based far more on individual cultivators hunting individual beasts and eating what they kill). The mighty Stewardship engine he's managed to assemble basically just goes away. His ability to support his own family's cultivation without requiring much of them goes away. Suddenly it's basically not possible for a Core Formation Prince or Princess to advance (or even stay still) without heading out and risking their lives against the beasts of the mountains, and "fighting the beasts of the mountains" isn't going to be what those princes and princesses have trained for. Suddenly, advancement in general is a lot more based on a particular kind of merit, and a lot less based on "what Old Jingshen personally wants".

Ironically, this might solve their Nascent problem. I can pretty much guarantee that throwing that bunch of hothouse flowers into an environment where they have to fight battles to the death in order to maintain their cultivation will result in at least some of them seeing the flaws in their own Dao. On the other hand, it's not going to put them in a particularly good position to maintain all that many Nascents once they're done.

It's not an unrecoverable position. Right now, the Devil Bees are being used to raid and kill, but they certainly could be leveraged for transport, messaging, recon, and courier services. It's certainly a better option than "the Golden Devils kill you and take all of your stuff, leaving you with nothing". It's just that it would be a significant change in the nature of the sect, in a way that Old Jingshen would really not prefer.
 
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Suddenly, advancement in general is a lot more based on a particular kind of merit, and a lot less based on "what Old Jingshen personally wants".
That is probebly right but keep in mined that having the devil bees lands occupied by a rightius power opens up another trade route into the verdent south a trade route that the jingsan would tariff so i dont think the change will be total but it would still be big so that might become a problem, on the other hand the are a clan so it might not be as much of a problem we think it would be.
 
That is probebly right but keep in mined that having the devil bees lands occupied by a rightius power opens up another trade route into the verdent south a trade route that the jingsan would tariff so i dont think the change will be total but it would still be big so that might become a problem, on the other hand the are a clan so it might not be as much of a problem we think it would be.
Sort of? On the other hand, in this scenario, we'd own the entire desert, and also the full length of the Scorpion Road, which already has infrastructure set up to ease travel along it. So, basically, they'd be in competition with the Sorrowful Blacksmiths. That's not a battle they're going to win. The Sorrowful Blacksmiths keep tariffs quite low (under pressure from the SPS) and carving another road through the desert to make trade through the Devil Bee lands wouldn't be cheap, or particularly worthwhile for us. Then, of course, they'd have to carve some sort of route through their own lands that could handle that kind of trade, and then they'd have to have some way to handle the fact that they wouldn't have an overpowered legacy beast-suppression effect conveniently stolen from the Golden Devils.

So... while they might conceivably be able to open up an alternate route, given a great deal of investment on their end, it probably wouldn't amount to anything, and probably wouldn't be worth it.

Still... I'm not at all suggesting that your plan is useless. Pushing the Jingshen into the Devil Bee lands is really solid as far as "claim the entire desert and then mostly turtle" plans go. It's just that it's the last part of the plan, rather than the first part of the plan. Old Jingshen might not prefer the Devil Bee lands, but they're a heck of a consolation prize.

So... let's workshop this a bit further. How do we get to the point of being able to pull this one off?
- We need to push the Jingshen enough onto the back foot that it's clear that they're going to lose, and/or that it becomes highly likely that further battle will involve a great many of his family members dying, while still probably losing.
- Preferably, do this without stabbing anyone in the back.
- Ideally, end state does not have more than two Jingshen Nascents. (Getting the Devil Bee lands to support two is at least potentially doable. You're not going to be able to fit three)

So, something like...

- We get the Bandit Kingdoms up and running, along with various raids and sabotages of our own.
- We put Old Gold in a position to prevent response by Old Jingshen. We angle things so that Old Jingshen decides to respond anyway.
- We reveal Kliesthenes, making it suddenly 2-on-1 (or 2-on-2, depending). Given what he has and hasn't shown, Old Jingshen is really not particularly likely to be good at combat, and we know that Jiao has issues with it.
- While he's dealing with all of that, Lady Yao goes on a raid of her own and loots... well, whatever she decides that she wants to loot, really. She's a Nascent-tier bandit. We'll be playing distraction for her and also giving her a bunch of really solid intel as to her targets. I'm sure she doesn't need us to hold her hand at that point. Still, having her loot the Nascent tribulation treasures would be great... and we'd be happy to buy them off of her at competitive rates.

Having done that, we've mostly run a few skirmishes. There's a good chance that we'll have done some serious damage in terms of money and/or the potential for additional Nascents in the near term, but it wont' actually look like all that much from the outside. The Jingshen won't have much of a reason to call in the SPS at that point, but they'll also see that they're in a pretty dire situation, and need to respond. At that point, Old Jingshen starts pulling out whatever aces in the hole he has. If he still has the Nascent trib treasures, he's pretty much guaranteed to use them to get a third Nascent somehow.

At that point...? Well, there's a reason I'm suggesting that we workshop this thing a little.
 
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Ideally, end state does not have more than two Jingshen Nascents. (Getting the Devil Bee lands to support two is at least potentially doable. You're not going to be able to fit three
What if they sand the third one to sps to help reform a sect?

Edit: also having a second trade route from the desert has some strategic importance.
 
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Edit: also having a second trade route from the desert has some strategic importance.

Not really, having a second trade route is only useful if there's a problem with the first one.

More importantly Strength Purity gets it's wealth from owning their side of the trade route to the desert. There are a lot of issues in trying to get rid of their monopoly.
 
Personally, I'll be down to try anything that involves a non-violent resolution to our relationship with the Jingshen.

Just bringing any idea to them would be nice to me as it is a start to a negociation and means that we'd be putting the ball in their court. Maybe they have workable ideas too?

Hell, if they'd agree to help us take over the Bees' lands, I'd be open to making the scorpion road a joint ownership. After all, we'd gain much more from a whole faction's lands (or even just most of it) than tariffs.

But hey, it probably just my bias towards not wanting to be assholes.

In the long term, I'd love for us to work with the SPS on a kind of International Convention on the Treatment of Mortals. And impose it on both righteous and demonic sects under the pain of coalition. It would be a much cooler and interesting legacy than just conquest... but it would require us to maintain good relations with righteous sects.
 
i still think that raiding the devil bees with the main goal of killing off a nascent cultivator should be done first before poking the jingshen at all to somewhat mitigate the righteous whining about us attacking jingshen ? It should also weaken devil bees to make raids less of a issue for a little bit would be the goal and the points in doing this unprompted should be good enough to somewhat mitigate us kicking jingshen teeth in.

And you either want total victory where you totally crush jingshen or a partial victory where you steal some territory and wealth. Taking all of jingshen lands and not killing the nascents off would be truly stupid wich some people seem to be advocating i think.
 
It seemed that things with Jingshen would come to a head soon. That Jingshen was scrambling for a third Nascent so they could wipe us out. Turns out, they could have a Nascent as soon as they're willing to let a disfavored branch get one. We're not in a crush anymore. The likelihood of one of their royal line deciding to shatter their core is low. We're no longer in the desperate position of needing to attack them immediately, because they're perfectly willing to wait until they get two royals willing to break through.

The likelihood of getting outright coalitioned is low. The likelihood of RP shaking loose a spare Nascent to assist the righteous Jingshen and earning a lot of stones doing so is not as low, and we and Jingshen both know this. Who attacks first and how will change the odds of this happening, and we both know this too.

Jingshen's winning move, if we attack, is to raise as few Nascents as he needs to stall us, then call in RP help. If Jingshen attacks us first, that would lessen the odds of RP reinforcement.

Jingshen doesn't need to attack us, because we're not actually threatening them. So we're not in a rush here.

Their entire Sect is based around the sharing of knowledge, and by sharing knowledge one is permitted to dip deeply into that well of stored wisdom. The knowledge is stored, as far as we can tell, within the Insidious Poison Maze itself, each tree, each shrub, each vine storing a part of the Sect's collective knowledge. In addition, it stores much Qi, absorbing it from the air around it. A cultivator can easily exchange knowledge for a massive boost of Qi with the Maze, or pay Qi for knowledge if they are so inclined.

So even the weakest Noble Knowledge cultivator is likely to have access to poisons that slay realms above them, methods of scrying that use the bones and blood of fleshly-slaughtered mortals in ways we will not countenance and cannot replicate.
Looking at this again, we don't need to condone Noble Knowledge Sect to trade for knowledge. Any NK cultivator has access to any knowledge we desire. We can pick a cultivator it wouldn't be soul-destroying to work with and trade with them. Or send in Minervina Barda.
 
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Maria 42 - Price and Balance (Part 5)
Price and Balance (Part 5)
Maria Turn 11 Sixth Omake

The days wore past, one after another, in an agonizing crawl. Maria had forgotten how slow mortals could be. It was embarrassing to admit; she'd always prided herself on being more grounded and down to earth than the average Optimatoi. To discover she'd forgotten the limits of their condition over the last sixty years or so was, at best, humbling.

This particular bunch weren't exactly her sort, either. They'd been, if not rich, then well-to-do. Merchants, apparently. Some old Devil had burnt out his bloodline centuries ago in the face of the trials, and having at last been released from the threat of Heaven, had settled down in One-Boat and made a tidy sum selling wine. His children and descendants had weathered countless storms, since then. Persecution. Violence. Pain. Only now, in the face of a threat too great to outlast, were they coming home. It was almost sad, in a way. Or it would have been, if it wasn't so awkward to be around them.

The trouble was, she never knew how to talk to rich mortals; or at least, mortals she would have called rich before she reached the desert. Her own natural dialect was a mix of gutter urchin and career soldier, a rich and heady brew of curses, insults and petty cruelties delivered in place of affection. Theirs was cool and slow and considered; the kind of language that dripped out slowly, full of double meanings and reflexive politeness. The two did not mix. Especially when, technically speaking, the filthy mouthed urchin was the one in charge. Every conversation turned into a hideously awkward mess of stutters and misunderstandings that had to be navigated very, very carefully.

It'd have been easier if she could just hate the bastards, but even that was denied her. It had been a possibility at the beginning. Then one of the little ones, not a day over nine, had asked her innocently about the desert.
"Big," Maria had said, shortly. "Hot. Lot of sand."
"Is it true about the scorpions?"

She'd blinked. Turned. The boy had stared up at her, face that peculiar mix of trusting, suspicious, and intrigued that children alone seemed to have mastered.

"…Depends," she'd said, slowly. "What do they say about the scorpions?"
"That you eat them," had come the prompt response. "That you crack open their shells and cook the flesh inside. That they're as big as houses, so you have to wrestle them. That you have even bigger ones, the size of cities, that you ride into battle."
"…The size of cities?"
He'd nodded, very seriously. She could feel herself softening with every word. Gods. KIDS. She was as bad as Carvos and his rabbit, she really was.
"Well," she'd said, feeling a grin run across her lips unbidden and utterly helpless to stop it, "I've never seen one that big. But I've seen the scorpion cavalry."
…His eyes literally shone. For Gods' sake, how was he this cute?
"Cavalry?"
"Great heroes under Master Shang Yu. They burst out of the sand and slay cannibals and evil-doers by the score. Then they ride off into the distance, fast as lightning."
"Do they go on adventures?"
"They ride scorpions," she'd said, tone scathing and teasing in equal measure. "Of course they go on adventures."

He'd been shoe'd away by a deeply apologetic parent, soon after, but she'd seen him and the other children playing "Shang Yu and the Scorpion Riders" when they'd made camp that night. Worse, the elder (who, up to that point, she'd privately pidgeonholed as the prissiest and most infuriating mortal she'd ever met) had spent half an hour with a whittling knife and some long sticks to make them scorpions to ride. With that, all animosity had fled. All it had left was awkwardness.

Still, the mortals were better than Lyssa. She couldn't even begin to understand what had happened to her sister-self. Things had been uncomfortable since their fight in the camp, but at least she'd understood that. Now…
Now she was just impenetrable. Their link had never been weaker; they hadn't recombined in weeks. Maria would get flickers sometimes – confusion, anger – but even those were faint and distant, useless without context. In person, things weren't much better. There'd be terse conversations about what needed to be done that day each morning, and that would be it. Lyssa would take every chance to scout ahead, or range back behind them to obscure their tracks. It was important work, so Maria couldn't challenge her on it, but...
They'd never felt so separate, before. So uncomfortably distinct.

"Honourable Cultivator?"
She blinked, and dragged herself out of her thoughts. The mortal elder had approached her again. She tried not to wince too visibly.
"Elder," she said, politely. "What can I do for you?"
The old man gave her a simpering smile. "Your kindness, as ever, is legendary, lady Maria. The thought that one as August as yourself would deign…"
She tuned out again. It'd be a while before he got to the point. They were closing in on Ward Stormcloud, at last. She recognized the landscape. They had perhaps another day or so of travel, if they kept pace. Better still, they'd hit the ruined townships that had dotted the Fearless Line soon. That'd cut camp setup time in half. The elder was finishing up at last. She tuned in again.

"…the fullness of all things and beneath the eyes of Heaven, if perhaps you might be able to tell us what *that* is?"
He pointed. She looked. There, far off in the distance, was a blot. She wasn't sure what it was; the light played off it oddly, shifting and flickering in the morning sun. It hadn't been there the last time she'd been out here. Then again, that was going on forty years ago, and she'd spent more time up around Ward Thunderbolt; it wasn't impossible she'd missed something.
"Don't know," she said. "Could be a lot of things. The war got pretty heavy around here, Elder. Coalition had dug in, and the Alliance kept hitting the line. Lot of weird shit around these parts."
She ignored his barely-hidden wince at her language. No point having that conversation again.

"Of course," said the Elder, a deferential smile pasted onto his face. "Might I further presume upon your graciousness, then, and inquire if it is dangerous?"
…Damnit. Of course that was what this was about. She could be so fucking stupid some times.
"Elder, I promise it is not," said Maria, as reassuringly as she could manage. "We're not going anywhere near it. Our route cuts south in a few miles, and keeps going that way. It'll stay on the horizon for a bit, and then it'll be gone."
The elder pondered for a long moment. Then, at last, he gave her a deep (and slightly relieved, she thought) bow.
"Your wisdom, as all your virtues, is unmatched, great cultivator, and my honour to receive it is…"
Maria tuned out again.
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Thirty miles away, Lyssa waited on the roof of a house, settled onto her haunches, and stared at the sky. Her mind was a mess, these days; full of deep currents and murky waters, things she couldn't explain. She hated it. But she hadn't found a way to make it stop; the thoughts, half-formed and impenetrable, churned away in her head unceasingly. The best she could manage was when she was alone, tracking out across the landscape. Things were quieter then. Simpler.
Of course, none of that justified screwing up the work. Lyssa wasn't stupid, after all. You couldn't spend your time away from a caravan without a damn good reason. She'd spent her time scouting. And that was why, now, she was sitting on a rooftop, as obvious as she could make herself, guard so blatantly dropped you could practically see the impact crater from where it landed, and waited.

She'd seen the evidence for weeks. Someone was following them.
Someone good, too. She wasn't much of a sensor, but over this length of time there should have been something, some consistent hum of the background radiation of natural qi out here to indicate a presence. Instead, nothing. It was only the tracks that gave them away, and even those had been well-covered. It had only been luck that she'd stumbled across a few loose stones and found the tiniest trace of cigar ash. A tiny mistake. But enough. Ever since, she'd kept her eye out.
Well, she was done with the subtle stuff, now. Time to see if she could lure the bastard out.

It took less time than she thought. After about an hour, she felt the gentle, scintillating presence of a qi signature nearby. It uncloaked slowly, with a considered, almost polite kind of shift as it did. Like someone clearing their throat to let you know they were there. She felt her lips quirk amusedly. Then she felt it more clearly, and her good humour vanished. Darkness. Screams. Meat, torn and bloody, somehow both putrescent with rot and still freshly murdered at the same time.

Blood Path.

She lunged without thinking, dropping into the altered Purities technique that had become her and Maria's trademark as she went. The signature didn't move. It was waiting for her, settled outside an old farmhouse further out from the line. Lyssa recognized them the instant she saw them; a tall figure in chitinous plate armour, with a long silk robe over it. The bastard thing from Shu Cangquiong's assault on the Fort, forty years ago. The leader.

Sitting at a table.
Pouring tea.

She slammed into the ground a dozen feet away and advanced, snarling, but she didn't get far before she felt a leach wall bite into her qi. The figure glanced up at her as she flinched back.
"Good morning," it said, politely. He, Lyssa realized. The voice was male. Smooth, too; warm and refined, like freshly carved oak and good coffee. "I'd offer you tea, but I realise the circumstances make that difficult."
"Fucking KILL you," growled Lyssa.
The figure nodded.
"Yes, I realized you might feel that way."
He twitched his head slightly, and the thick chitin around his head came away smoothly in segments to nestle around like a collar. He had a lean, good looking face with high cheekbones, and his hair was long and dark, pulled up into a neat bun behind his head. The only obvious signs of his corruption were thin lines running from his hairline down to his chin. They twitched slightly as she looked at them, and she caught glimpses of soft vitreous humours and sharp, glossy keratin.
He smiled politely, and produced a pair of small reading glasses which he perched on his nose.
"For what it's worth," said the Blood Path, "I understand why. Honestly, it's a reasonable position. You're going to need to get past that, though, if we're going to get anywhere."
"FUCK you."

The Blood Path raised an eyebrow, and sipped his tea. She found herself flushing a little.
"Blood Path," she snapped. "Not itinerant, either, you're too strong for that. Either a Bee or an Altar, then, and I'm a fucking Devil, so both ways, that can fuck itself. Where's to fucking get to?"
He shrugged.
"Not inaccurate." Sipped his tea. "Limited, though. We're more than just our sects. Or clan, in your case."
"Clan's enough to make me want to kill you."
He smiled.
"You're impressive. Not good at tactical work, though."
Lyssa felt her muscles coil to launch her forward. It was only the searing hiss of the leech wall that stopped her. The smile took on an edge.
"Touched a nerve, did I? Apologies. Still, you must admit, it didn't take much to get you here, did it? That little trap of yours was a trifle obvious, too. Sitting on a roof? Really?"
Her fingers were starting to flex. He laughed.
"Consumption, but you're easy to rile. Your sister must be the smart one."
"Smart won't stop me tearing out your guts," Lyssa hissed.
The Blood Path shrugged. That was what did it. The nonchalance of it, the total lack of fear. He might as well have been discussing the weather, or what he thought about the price of wine. Lyssa felt herself snap.
Leech wall, hmm? Alright. Let's see how deep it went.

She had seconds, if that. She knew that already. He'd react the instant he realized what she was doing. The trick, therefore, would be hiding it. Lyssa brought her hands up, filled them with a mad corona of hissing, spitting qi, and dropped.

*BOOOOOOOOOOOOM.*

The explosion tore through the ground, the sky, the world. Fire and wind, spiraling outwards in a mad shockwave, tearing down the wreckage of the surroundings as they went. The world was full of smoke. Her qi-sense screamed with the afterimage of her own technique. But Lyssa didn't stop. After all. Seconds, if that.
Down she went, into the impact crater that she'd torn into the ground. Down – and forwards. It was a gamble; the Blood Path clearly knew what he was doing. There was every chance he'd anchored the wall deep below the surface. But if-
Forwards. Forwards. Forwards-
Victory. No resistance. The leech wall had stopped maybe a foot above her. Snarling with triumph, she lunged upwards, arms swinging. The smoke hadn't cleared yet, but at the edge of her qi sense, she felt him still. Just had to reach him now-

And then she slammed into the leech wall.
She'd been right. He hadn't anchored it. He had made a fucking floor with it. And now, halfway through, momentum pushing her onwards and ruining any chance of escape, she was caught.
The Blood Path was still seated, holding his tea cup, but the table was gone. As Lyssa stumbled and collapsed in front of him, he rose.
"That," he said, voice severe, "was very disappointing. A few minor insults and you go off like a firework."
"Fuc'…. Yyu," she spat. "Ea'… me. Ge'on with… wwith…"
"It? Tempting, but no. I know all about you, Lyssa the Red. I'd get maybe a handful of qi before you popped like a balloon, and then you and your sister would descend on me like particularly unpleasant rain. No."

He moved towards her. Lyssa swung a feeble punch, but he caught it on one chitinous pauldron and kept advancing until he was close enough to grab her face in one jaw.
"You know, one of the wonderful upsides of being a tad more sociable than you Devils is the benefits of trade. Leech walls are a wonderful example. Did you know the Noble Knowledge sect back-engineered it from a poison? Oh yes! Very impressive. Gave it to us in exchange for a handful of assassinations, I believe. But the poison itself we got gratis. Very kind of them, I'm sure you'll agree. Now, if you build up an immunity to it, then all it does is give a sharp little zing to your tea."
He waggled the cup at her, and smiled again, fingers digging painfully into the back of her jaw to force her mouth open.
"But for everyone else, well… I think it'll be a little while before you go anywhere, oh saviour of the thousand."
Lyssa tried to scream, but nothing came out. Her mouth filled with the acrid sharpness of the tea… and then there was nothing.
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Twenty miles away, something vast and indescribable twitched.

Guttered.

Started, inexorably, to move.
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Fuck it. Done with that for the moment, at least. @Kaboomatic @ReaderOfFate @no., may I have a threadmark, please?
 
And you either want total victory where you totally crush jingshen or a partial victory where you steal some territory and wealth. Taking all of jingshen lands and not killing the nascents off would be truly stupid wich some people seem to be advocating i think.
I'd agree in general that taking all of the Jingshen lands and thus leaving them with nothing, and still leaving the Nascents alive (either of the Nascents, but Jiao especially) would be a profoundly bad idea. I think that we could actually pull off the "take all of the Jingshen lands, but give them the Devil Bee lands in return plan" though. Having a couple of Righteous Nascents with nothing to lose, including one who's diplomacy-specced, who have been utterly dispossessed by the Devils is a real problem. If, instead, they've been given something in return, though... much less of one.

I also came up with this variant on the thought, when talking about the CB issue...

I think our CB has to be something like "They want to destroy us, and they've wanted this for centuries. We see them scheming to do it. That's not going to change while they're sitting on the mines. We are acting to remove an existential threat to our clan and our bloodline." It has the advantage that it's true.

Heck - we could actually openly propose the "we're going to move you to the Devil Bee lands" as a diplomatic open to the war. Like, "Jingshen. We have armies that can crush you, and you keep being an existential threat. Out of respect for the SPS, and a desire to give them face, we intend to forcibly resettle you to the Devil Bee lands rather than destroying you. This will take more effort on our part, but it will still remove you as a threat. If you don't agree to this, we're going to make it happen by force."

It's not as good as responding to an unprovoked attack, but it'll definitely do the job of making clear that the protective hand of the SPS has some value, and also make our attack less objectionable in general.

Yes it would be very very stupid.

You have to remember the might is the law here as the only thing these barbarians understand is power.
Man, you are deep in that whole "everyone who opposes us is evil, and therefore all means are permitted when opposing them" thing, aren't you?
 
Zeno Angelus - Blades of Grass



As the 302nd marched through the gates, they once more beheld the glory of their past. Ascended dawnfresh and others who could not make it to the plains due to other obligations alike were informed on the way what they represented. The tempering trials showed them all capable of surviving and the great plains were not lesser in danger. As we marched, some asked Maria why the bells did not toll?

Maria answered after they were out of the gate. "It's sad as it is simple, none of us are worthy. Compared to the abilities of our ancestors we are not worth acknowledging."

Zeno responded after her. "But that doesn't mean it's not worth doing!

The rest of the discussion amongst the rank and file was drowned out under the noise a marching legion makes. As the sand turns to sturdy earth under our boots, we feel the change in qi hit the columns ripple like a wave among us. For all our sturdiness, we are unused to such vitality. Some need a moment to acclimatize themselves, others quickly find their footing. As we are marching, we don't stop moving in any clear sense of the word, just less fast than we are used to for some hours.

The wide plains full of lush grass do not stop our march, which allows us to make good time with anticipation building up among each centuria of the legion. We know the fighting ahead maybe difficult, but that only strengthens us. After all the 302nd​ "Silverine Bracers" marches to fulfil our motto: "To Protect Those Which Cannot Protect Themselves".

How could we not march where the fighting is the thickest? Zeno thinks as they march down one of many a hill on their way.

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With every new day more and more mortals enter the city, giving each one something to tide them over, be it a cover or some of these "futon" the drunkards seem to favour, it gets more and more difficult, Zeno thought.



A stern and familiar voice sounds before him, as Zeno looks over the local resource list they have lying on the table before them. "Centurion, I suggest we buy some fortifying brews for the mortals."

"Denied. We neither have the funds nor would these righteous cultivators prioritize the mortal's morale over their own survival." The air grows thick with that statement. Xia's posture remains perfect, a blank face for all to see.

After Mulling over the situation at hand again Zeno says. "But you surely accounted for that, right?"

A short and clearly enunciated bark follows. "Yes, Centurion!"

Her explanations follow in an even tone. "We could dilute the Thousand-night owl brew we get from the Honourable Drunkard Sect and distribute this to the mortals. This would fortify their spirits, while the qi they exude should still allow us to concentrate our scrying operations."

Knowing this, Zeno rubs his chin in thought and orders. "Xia, that idea sounds workable. Make sure to take Iohannis with you so none of them fleece us!"

Just as they to affirm the decision of their centurion, the door shuts open.

In the same breath all three occupants of the room draw their weapons on the intruder, who looks owlishly with raised hands at them. His luscious unkempt hair draping down his back like a ragged curtain, staining his white blouse and brown hose pants with the liquids spilled from the keg on his back.

"s'xcuse me, but would you know where I can fin' de good stuff?"

After a glance to each other they lower their weapons and Zeno answers. "Greetings, senior of the Drunkard Sect. I am afraid we do not possess `the good stuff` as you call it. We are scouts and divinators one and all."

His drowsy expression reflects in his speech patterns. "No way, you have right there, under...uh…wood…floor, right." Iohannis iron-tipped spear takes on a brown hue from the smoke from his keg.

"While I am impressed you discovered our emergency satchel, I have to disappoint you. None of these bottles would compare to any of your standards." With Zeno's answer, Iohannis nods firmly.

"Nah, I mean the one you keep under that, the one you use to see far… an…stuff."

"I fail to see how that is of any consequence, senior? Seemingly realizing he is a semi-formal setting his back straightens promptly, while his drowsy looking face gets a self-assured grin.

"Senior Spirit Boar, a pleasure!" He exclaims, while sloppily bowing with his grin still affixed. Unperturbed by the nonplussed reactions to his name without prestige.

"Then would you explain to us what your purpose here is, senior Spirit Boar?" A raised eyebrow the only change on Zeno's face.

"Shertainly. For business and booze! But mostly business, sadly. I want you to scry…stuff, so my flying spirit-boar oar reaches my customers more often! They should all be allowed to row towards heaven, I shay! Imma call it Scry and die!" A keg with acidic fluid spilling on the floor, sizzling, underscores his enthusiasm for his proposed venture.


"And thanks to your invention I suppose even pigs may fly?" Zeno asks rhetorically.

"YESH, you get it!" Spirit Boar exclaims with a widening grin. The smoke clouding atop the roof of the room, while the smell is politely ignored by all present.

Iohannis says. "Then where, pray tell, great senior Spirit Boar could we possibly get so many pigs? Let me tell you, the mortals under our care need them more than the enemy deserve, poison or no."

"Good queshtion, good friend! Tshat's easy. You do your hocush pocush and I shend spirit-boar oar through and then… poof. They turn into little oinking piglets, heh heh. Get it? Because they are all greedy monsters?"

Zeno laughs, his braying echoing in between gulps of air in the stone construct.

Before long he catches himself "Oh man, it has been a long time since I heard something so ridiculous. Thanks, Senior. I think, I needed that." Zeno looks around and sees their shocked faces.

"An ass, hah!/a donkey/ what?!"

"Yes, I can laugh. Did you think I was made from stone?"

Xia answers promptly "No, of course not, Centurion!"

"But? Out with it!" for the first time in a long time Xia squirms. Her newly forged armour clanking loudly under her lithe body, the wings splaying wide in the small room.

"It-it's not befitting of a noble!" Despite her desperate voice she steps forward.

"Who says that? Some turtleworlder noble, who occasionally acts to the benefit of his subjects?" Their blades clashing, filled with their intent.

Xia rebukes promptly. "They always act nobly with every courtesy given!" The keg now lying between them sideways serving as a table to lay their sheaths. Iohannis, not knowing how to intervene, asks the senior who divested himself of his barrel. Their search for an answer leads to the emergency storage where Iohannis only finds disappointment.

Zeno snorts. "A court of empty gestures with no one worthy of the title." The thrust is met with a parry the barrel serving only to block their qi sense. Their exchange needs no eyes.

She cuts to the side, forcing Zeno back. "But nobility can be found there." Her opponent nods.

His sabre thrust is avoided by sidestepping. "And, knowing you, I can already tell you that each noble pursues their own notion of nobility!" Her loud voice echoing, while the bystanders drink for their success. The younger one showing a wild side he never knew, as his senior instructs him on the greatness of the spirits.

He asks with an even tone. "Then why are they not all chasing the benefit of their kingdom, why are some conspiring against the king, Xia of Shen kingdom?"

Her sword falls to the ground and her loud voice lowers. "They…They see nobility as a means to an end, not as a virtuous action worthy in itself."

The duel was done, but the preparation for the future just started.

The disarmed one asks. "I know it may be presumptuous of me to ask, but… how do you… *do* your dao?

The Dreamer answers. "I cut in between the material and the line of possibility. Sometimes my noble upbringing gives me the mindset I need for the right one."

"I see." With a wordless bow she leaves into the meditation rooms in the back, her lustrous sword lying forgotten.

As Zeno sheathes his sword, bringing the fallen keg upright, suspiciously not losing any liquid, he exhales.

From behind him the seniors voice rumbles. "Hey boss, you got any more of that?"

The sight of these two lying with the desk to their backs was one Zeno did not cherish. Their faces showing a mindless grin, dreaming without purpose, a dream that only fills the moment. Worse than an unrealized daydream, an actual affront to his senses. A dream on their mind that seeks not to be realized, to curl into itself. An abomination that shows all too clear how he, their Centurion and for Iohannis a teacher to his friends' son, failed.

Before long they were laid to rest in a cot and Zeno makes plans. He thinks, if the spirits can show the truth of a person, then maybe they can find common truth at the bottom.

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Alexandria's day was long and with every enemy they face it got longer. With every thrust of her spear more enemies came, and the time window for her juniors to flee into the city got smaller. That is, if another Time-Shatter disciple did not screw with them again.

She shouted from the top of a small hill, a rabid bulky abomination bleeding a lake under her, serving as her watchtower for the moment. "Greta, reinforce the right flank and take some talismans with you!" The mentioned woman rushes to respond.

With the tide breaking for the moment her own tide of orders rushes forward. "Thomas, stop dithering and get a few men to destroy the tracks! And-"

Her order disrupted by the junior who deliberately walks unto the way of her pointer finger. "And I set up the new illusions, got it."

Alexandria smiles and slowly walks towards the valiant junior. "It's good to see such spirit among my precious juniors, it's really...invigorating!"

The confused junior steps back a step, not quite sure what to make of it. Alexandria is only a cultivator's step before her now. "Err… What can I do for you, Senior?" The one asking, wearing her clothes quite disheveled.

"Just a senior, am I?" Alexandria's grin reaching ear to ear. Her spear brandished at her opponent.

"Now now, there's no need for that. I am Xiu Ng from the Broken Arrows, friend. We are all allies here, right senior?"

Ignoring her question Alexandria's asks her on with a sweet tone, the eyes glowing green through her blind smile. "Then would you kindly use my name, friend?"

The spear now under her chin the spy tries to answer. "I…uh…Senior Maria?"

"It's Alexandria!" The alleged ally slumps to a bloody pile promptly, her blurred form making her true relations obvious. Her soft greens and browns changing to darker colours, the midnight blue vest adorning a red hourglass, which contrasts her black curly hair.

The world resumes and Alexandria barely dodges a dagger for her wrists. Her lone hoplite blooms for but a second, forcing the enemy back. Her enemies left wrist burning from the momentary contact.

A dagger is thrown and met by a qi filled spear. Their difference of qi flow follows an explosion, the force flowing upwards and sideways. Under the force Alexandria emerges, packed earth making way for her.

With an overhead hammer blow the earth under her fist's shatters, forcing Ng a step back. Avoiding the formations spreading from the crater at the same time. "Did you really think I would be caught that easily?" Ng shouts in defiance.

Allowing Alexandria no time to respond, Ng retaliates by flinging time shifted rocks from her soles. A blurred flurry of motion. These rocks, seemingly carved by the upwards stretched rocks to Ng's left, force Alexandria to roll behind another of Alexandria's crater pillars. Behind time shifted rocks, Alexandria gains a momentary reprieve.

To make Ng move Alexandria activates the previously laid formation beside Ng, a patterned wordless shout of qi all the warning Ng gets. Alexandria rushes, her fist promptly connecting with the enemy's gut. Her long forgotten spear jutting out of the earth, pinning Ng to her pillar of roughly hewn stone. Ng's clavicle shattered under the thrust, her howling to and writhing sounding the end to this fight.

Realizing this Alexandria straightens herself and makes sure no more enemies remain to disturb her before she pivots towards Ng's prone form atop the rock. She finds what she searched for not long after.

With her sweet tone once more underlining her voice Alexandria cups the chin of her enemy and asks a simple enemy? "Where is the other half?"

With tears and other fluids streaming down her face "N-not mine a-anymore. P-proper burial, please!"

With a simple nod Alexandria deadens her lower body nerves with a simple cut behind her neck, her ability to speak remaining unhindered. The junior with her right shoulder pinned to the rock continues.

"S-sold the other half to some…idiot devil bee bitch!" A lapse in focus is corrected promptly with a wake up to her cheeks, while her interrogator maintains her expression.

"Who, dear junior?"

"H-Hao Wanrou. That's all I know, I swear!"

"Thank you, dear. You were immensely helpful." Alexandria gives the girl her brightest smile.

"I am glad." With another cut Xiu Ng breathed her last, her soul departing to her afterlife without issue.

Alexandria allows herself a moment to take in the moment before she frees the spear from the corpse. Moments later Alexandria flips the earth under the corpse to bury her former enemy, fulfilling her part of the agreement. In this quiet moment she allowed herself to reflect. I have a lead on the other half, but how can I get the other half from a devil bee? Question for later. For now, we must get the rest of the mortals back into the city. No rest for the wicked, heh!

With a proud smirk adorning her face, she continues her journey.
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@ReaderOfFate , @no.

AN: I finally wrote an Omake where Zeno realizes his current style of leading and teaching is what he wants to be. Also, Alexandria finally has a combat style! :)
Depending on how the Devil bee situation goes maybe she will find the other half this century. I haven't decided yet.
Should you have questions, feel free to ask!
 
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Um, I feel like there's a huge issue with any "Give the Devil Bee lands to the Jingshen" plans for a Jingshen offensive.

Namely that... as part of answering "How do we deal with the Jingshen?" question, it goes "I know! Let's also make war on a second nation as well!"

Also, said second nation is Mountain Vietnam: Flying Venomous Cavalry Edition.

It's just... that sounds absolutely crazy to me?

And like. This is being brought forth as a 'solution' to the question of "Well, what do we do with the 2 Jingshen Nascent Souls?" Just hem them into their core territory lands and leave them be, after you stole their Tribulation Treasures.
 
Um, I feel like there's a huge issue with any "Give the Devil Bee lands to the Jingshen" plans for a Jingshen offensive.

Namely that... as part of answering "How do we deal with the Jingshen?" question, it goes "I know! Let's also make war on a second nation as well!"

Also, said second nation is Mountain Vietnam: Flying Venomous Cavalry Edition.

It's just... that sounds absolutely crazy to me?

And like. This is being brought forth as a 'solution' to the question of "Well, what do we do with the 2 Jingshen Nascent Souls?" Just hem them into their core territory lands and leave them be, after you stole their Tribulation Treasures.
The issue there is that... well, their core territories are the ones with the most significant spirit stone mines. As long as they still have those, they have significant resources to work with, and a vested interest in claiming the scorpion road. As long as they have that, they will continue to intrigue against us, and we will have to keep dealing with them.

Also, we're going to have to deal with the Devil Bees at some point anyway.

Also also, it's not just 'how to deal with the two Nascents". It's "How to deal with the two Nascents, and the rest of their clan, while keeping the SPS reasonably chill about things and also not blackening our name with the other Righteous Sects too badly?" If it was just the two Nascents, the answer would obviously be "Murder", and we'd be done with the planning phase quite quickly.

Still, the bit about overextending is a fair point. So... revised plan.

- We tear chunks out of the Jingshen in various ways. Time the Kliesthenes reveal in such a way to let us get off some high-quality raiding while Yao loots the room, bite off some of their secondary lands, and so forth. Largely leave the core lands alone. Don't particularly try to kill anyone who isn't actively coming out to fight us. Basically, use our current advantage in Nascents to bite a few meaty chunks out of them, then leave them be.

- That should give us some space on that front (and additional resources). Use that space to deal with the Devil Bees, which will be coming back at us. Ideally, murder at least one of their Nascent Souls while they're attacking us, rather than vice versa. Regardless of what our plans might be, we're going to have to kill Old Cannibal somehow. Once Old Cannibal is dead, whichever of the other two nascents that remain should be manageable.

- Then play the "we're about to roll over you and take your stuff, but if you go quietly, we'll help you take the Devil Bee lands as a consolation prize" card.
 
Also also, it's not just 'how to deal with the two Nascents". It's "How to deal with the two Nascents, and the rest of their clan, while keeping the SPS reasonably chill about things and also not blackening our name with the other Righteous Sects too badly?" If it was just the two Nascents, the answer would obviously be "Murder", and we'd be done with the planning phase quite quickly.
The Righteous Powers concerns about the Golden Devils having control over the flow of Spirit Stones to the Plains, will not be eased by going "Okay, well, how about we kick the Jingshen off their lands entirely? We'll give them the Devil Bees lands in exchange!"

Even if this was a solution for the Jingshen -- and I don't think it is; I think putting them into a place they'd hate, would not be an offer they'd be willing to take unless it was that or extinction, and they'd probably hate us more if we plunked them into the Mountains where they'd hate it, whereas at least if they kept their old lands and Spirit Stone Mines, they'd at least be able to keep being merchants like they wanted, they just won't be able to be as much of a threat to us -- it's not a solution to the Damocles Sword of the Righteous Powers.


Your revised plan is to... hrm, let's see if I got this right, so correct me if I'm wrong. Your revised plan or goal for how to deal with the Jingshen (from a long-term perspective of "There, we put them elsewhere, now we never have to worry about them again!") is thus:

*We beat them in the upcoming war, enough to make them not a threat for a bit.
*Several Turns or decades later, we fight a war with the Devil Bees like we are expecting/assuming will happen.
*Then, AFTER we have won that war and slain Old Cannibal... We turn back to the Jingshen and go: "Okay, now get out of your current land and come with us into Mountain Vietnam. We're taking your current lands, so you need to help us slay the 1-2 remaining Blood Path Nascent Souls so you can have their land."

Did I get that right? You want to beat the Jingshen, leave them to stew for a century-ish, go start Mountain Vietnam and fight until we slay Old Cannibal, and then turn back to the Spirit Stone Mine-rich lands of the Jingshen and tell them to get out of the territory we left them and get into the mountain which they will help conquer us?

That's not going to fly with the Jingshen, and that's not going to fly with the Righteous Powers if we take over the Jingshen Spirit Stone Mine core territories.

This goal you've set depends way too much on the geopolitical situation of the Virtuous Flipper Region at large.

We can only get away with forcing a second strong-arming onto the Jingshen, if the Verdant South and Great Plains situation is such that we are capable of getting away with that.

And we have no idea if the geopolitical situation is going to look like in 100-200 years, if it would allow us to get away with this.


I'd rather not plan that far out anyway.

My questions of how to deal with Jingshen has been "What strategy or tactics do we use to beat them in the upcoming war?" and "How much do we have to leave the Jingshen, in order to not provoke a Righteous Powers coalition, and also to make the Jingshen not remain as too great a threat to us?"


Some plans that have been thrown around as discussions, and I am currently favoring something like this:

*Manuel meets and stalemates Old Jingshen
*We send Yao to steal their piles of Tribulation Treasures
*We send Kleisthenes after their Nascent Soul Candidates
*Jingshen's daughter will have to go and try to stop either Yao or Kleisthenes; probably will elect to stop Kleisthenes, or so was (IIRC either Chron's or Alectai's) read of her personality. Though maybe she'd prefer to go for the Tribulation Treasures, as those would be going to her family members, but who knows. Either way, I like Yao's chances of fighting her off. And Kleisthenes's chances too.

This accomplishes the following objectives:
*We deny the Jingshen their win condition, thus totally dooming them. They do not have the Tribulation Treasures. They do not have immediate Nascent Soul candidates on hand, so they can't even take the "1 in 5 chance" of getting more Nascent Souls even without Tribulation Treasures; without more Nascent Souls, they can't get revenge on us.
*It gets us the Tribulation Treasures. We can then store them for a rainy day of disaster, when a Clan needs a Nascent Soul now now now, or we could raise Casia, or something. Or we could leave one with the Flood Dragons, to ensure our allies can survive no matter what happens. Or we could give one to the Broken Arrow Bandits; to resurrect them as a Sect, thus shifting Righteous Powers politics in our favor with soft power and huge bribes.
*We get the former Cannibal Lands, and probably the Jingshen subjugated vassal lands. This is probably enough territory to support another 1-2 Nascent Souls.
*The Jingshen keep their Core Territories, which hold the Spirit Stone Mines. Thus meaning that the flow of Spirit Stones to the Great Battlefield is not disrupted. So the Righteous Powers still get their mana potions, and don't need to coalition us.
*The Jingshen can support maybe 1 Middle and 1 Early Nascent. Whereas we can support 1 or 2 Middle, and 2ish Early Nascents.
*The Jingshen can't surprise us with a "Suddenly, 2 more Nascents!" anymore because they lack the treasures and the candidates and their land or finances can't afford it.
 
The Righteous Powers concerns about the Golden Devils having control over the flow of Spirit Stones to the Plains, will not be eased by going "Okay, well, how about we kick the Jingshen off their lands entirely? We'll give them the Devil Bees lands in exchange!"

Even if this was a solution for the Jingshen -- and I don't think it is; I think putting them into a place they'd hate, would not be an offer they'd be willing to take unless it was that or extinction, and they'd probably hate us more if we plunked them into the Mountains where they'd hate it, whereas at least if they kept their old lands and Spirit Stone Mines, they'd at least be able to keep being merchants like they wanted, they just won't be able to be as much of a threat to us -- it's not a solution to the Damocles Sword of the Righteous Powers.
The thing is, we already control the flow of spirit stones. We own the Scorpion Road. We can cut them off any time we like.

More broadly, though, you seem to be presenting the position that having the Jingshen in a position where they both have the best spirit stone mines in the desert and have active and ongoing reason to want to supplant us as owners of the scorpion road... is a good thing?

The Righteous Powers care about a lot of stuff.
- They care about not having individual Righteous Powers wiped out.
- They're headlined by the SPS, who cares about maintaining face as an important ally to have, such that the other Righteous Powers will continue to care about their protection.
- They care about whatever their own internal struggles are
- They care about whatever demonic sects happen to be beating on them today.
- Yes, they care about dependability of access to spirit stones

I assert that gaining full desert hegemony would be huge for our available assets and influence. It would mean that we could go into "managing the vassals" mode on essentially all of the sects in the desert... which in turn would lead, over time, to notably better income. It would give us a lot more spirit stones with which to buy stuff, sustain our own cultivators, and so forth. It would mean that we'd have hugely more defensive depth to work with if someone comes after us. It would dramatically reduce our available attack surface. It would let us do more of basically everything. It is a prize worth reaching for.

Now, you're correct that the Righteous Powers wont' like it. The Righteous Powers tend to not like us thriving in general... but the Righteous Powers care about a lot of stuff. If we manage to kill off the Devil Bees and push the Jingshen into their place, then that lets us claim Desert Hegemony without hitting the "wiped out a Righteous sect" or "cost the SPS face" pain points. It even gets us positive points on the "demonic sects beating on me today" issue. It makes the idea of us claiming desert hegemony much more acceptable overall... and then we basically say "Okay. either we can continue to be allies, and you can keep getting spirit stones, or you can declare that we're anathema for this, and we'll be forced to treat you like enemies." Assuming that things continue to be unstable (which, for the moment, seems likely) then they get a few decades, at least, of the spirit stone thing continuing to work out for them under our control... while we fortify further, with our enormous new monetary resources.

Claiming the desert in full is something worth doing. It's difficult and costly, but it's worth it. I'm trying to come up with ways to make it workable. "We should just let the Jingshen be a thorn in our sides and a knife at our back forever" is not a valid solution to "How can we achieve desert hegemony?"
 
Meditations on Money
Manuel sighed.

It had been a peculiar time.

He had bent his time and effort seeking out treasures he might use to assist his Council in overcoming their Nascent Tribulations, and for this he had found remarkably little. He had carved arrays, delved into a cave and retrieved a core from a massive bat that was vastly stronger than any of his Elders - bar Kleisthenes of course - and had otherwise bent his will in absolute fashion towards trying to find treasures usable for tribulations.

Shortly after, the spies had returned from the Jingshen Clan, bearing news of a great trove of them.

He wasn't sure if he'd influenced those events at all, but it still worried him. Sometimes he felt that his effects he brought to bear with his Dao were changing... pulsing, almost. Working in ways almost outside of his knowledge and control. Perhaps it was merely his imagination, but the coincidence was too much for him to credit that notion.

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This is more a brief description of the economy action so people know it's not forgotten. The overall impact will be seen next turn as we transition into the Purchases system.

That does conclude everything for this turn in terms of updates and the like (I have one interlude I want to write but it just isn't working for me, so it might be interspersed between the Good Seed reports).
 
Is like the OverGod took (another) personal attention in his life and clan to the cheering of beings outside his Dimension that took a ridiculous amount of their own energy and time to help him :p :D
 
I've been thinking about the the clan creation options and the, to be blunt, giant fucking mess the plains have been any time we get news. For all the shit the desert can give us and anyone nearby us due to it being so low in qi, in exchange we sorta dodged a lot of troubles by being out in the area most of the Righteous plains groups don't care much about, didn't we.
 
Is like the OverGod took (another) personal attention in his life and clan to the cheering of beings outside his Dimension that took a ridiculous amount of their own energy and time to help him :p :D
It doesn't just happen with Manuel. Plenty of good seeds happen across treasures related to what they are focusing on. Abel even has a theory about how this effect is why no one ever seems to invent ways to do things without qi. Qi responses to intensions and give a qi powered solution to problems if you focus on them.
 
Manuel sighed.

It had been a peculiar time.

He had bent his time and effort seeking out treasures he might use to assist his Council in overcoming their Nascent Tribulations, and for this he had found remarkably little. He had carved arrays, delved into a cave and retrieved a core from a massive bat that was vastly stronger than any of his Elders - bar Kleisthenes of course - and had otherwise bent his will in absolute fashion towards trying to find treasures usable for tribulations.

Shortly after, the spies had returned from the Jingshen Clan, bearing news of a great trove of them.

He wasn't sure if he'd influenced those events at all, but it still worried him. Sometimes he felt that his effects he brought to bear with his Dao were changing... pulsing, almost. Working in ways almost outside of his knowledge and control. Perhaps it was merely his imagination, but the coincidence was too much for him to credit that notion.

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This is more a brief description of the economy action so people know it's not forgotten. The overall impact will be seen next turn as we transition into the Purchases system.

That does conclude everything for this turn in terms of updates and the like (I have one interlude I want to write but it just isn't working for me, so it might be interspersed between the Good Seed reports).

Seems to me like the Jingshen had stolen the Nascent Tribulation treasures that should have been ours in the first place, had we been able to spare time to go looking for them. Taking those treasures from the Jingshen would be merely restoring the treasures into the hands of their rightful owners i.e. us.
 
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