Hmmph... this junior is a good seed [Cultivation Management Quest]

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Hmm. Interfering in the Tribulation of a Qi Condensation Junior... Usually not really worth a Cassus Belli. But I suppose a CB is "what you are willing to go to war over", and freakishly powerful and Unorthodox Juniors who might be the future salvation of the Clan or Sect, probably qualify. :V
Attempting to murder a Nascent Soul ally is absolutely worth a CB, though... and that's actually what was being attempted here.
 
Well this is it^^, I have enough will to stop using my off time to play ck 2 [EDIT: and finally clean and finish the elders march to the battlefields :D]. and wow that game is seriously additive. I some what glad that only now I can play it (and that is free^^).
 
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Hmm, so in the vein of theories on why Jiao did what she did, what if Jingshen found out we know about his treasure stash? If so, and if he doesn't know about our second Nascent, then I could see him starting a preemptive strike to knock out Yao for a few decades while he safeguards the treasure till it's go time. And if they saw Manuel elsewhere, and Jiao was confident she could take on Yao, then this strike makes sense.
 
He winced every time she said "Glorious Scorpion Cavalry" so she had to keep working on them. Plus she had secured an agreement to buy them from him - with his own wealth, of course - over the course of a few decades and centuries for the bandits she was leaving here in the desert. Not so many, but the scorpions would do well enough in the mountains and perhaps even in the plains, and a unit of quick-moving cavalry wouldn't hurt.

Guys, we aren't talking about the most crucial part to of the post! This paragraph confirms that despite being a one turn purchase, the Glorious Scorpion Cavalry rides on and is now a permananent feature of Clan life! Oh frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!

On a more serious note, Yao's presence is very significant here. As a full on member of the Righteous Path, her testimony of Jiao's actions is much harder to dispute than Manuels. Of course, I suspect most of the RP powers will shrug and just see it as one more volley in our petty and distant feud, which honestly, is just fine for our purposes.

The fact that Manuel seems to have managed to get under Jiao's skin is an awesome tool. On the other hand though this interlude does remind us that while any Nascent Soul has awesome power, in a duel having more experience operaring at that level is crucial. Any battle plans we make should note that our new Second Grand Elder likely couldnt take the Lady of Acceptance one on one.
 
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Hmm, so in the vein of theories on why Jiao did what she did, what if Jingshen found out we know about his treasure stash? If so, and if he doesn't know about our second Nascent, then I could see him starting a preemptive strike to knock out Yao for a few decades while he safeguards the treasure till it's go time. And if they saw Manuel elsewhere, and Jiao was confident she could take on Yao, then this strike makes sense.
Nah. We have QM confirm that we got a crit success on intrigue, and they got a critfail on intrigue defense. I guarantee we get a chance to exploit that before they realize what happened. Honestly, I think it makes sense anyway. If she'd pulled it off, it would have been a huge hit to our side in this upcoming fracas, and she had good reason to expect that she could pull it off. We only just barely managed to thwart it because Manuel had figured out a new trick, and used it to pull off a major bluff.
 
I'd say that we're now potentially able to respond by stealing their Tribulation Treasures and then sitting on them.

That defangs the Jingshen, is an appropriate response to trying to kill a Nascent Soul ally, and might also bait them into attacking us in desperation before we can use them, in which case we can clean them up on the defensive where we're strongest.

If they don't attack, we can hang onto those Tribulation Treasures until an optimal time to deploy them comes up.
 
I see a lot of people who are very confident that it will be simple to steal the Jingshen's tribulation treasures, and I don't really get why?

Old Jingshen has been dealing with Manuel for centuries, and given we got a look at what Manuel looked like in Old Cannibal's head, I have to assume that Old Jingshen will be operating under the assumption that Manuel knows (or can know) about the artefacts. Therefore, they're probably sitting in his capital, under a lot of security and his personal presence.

To me the real actionable prize of the intrigue win was the knowledge that none of Jingshen's Princes/Princesses are prepared to shatter their cores, and the names (and locations) of the Jingshen subordinates willing and able to shatter their cores. Our first action must be either subverting them or removing them from the board. Once we do that all Jingshen has is a pile of artefacts they can't use.

I'm guessing this is based of the musing that we could use one to replace the Jingshen clan's leader? But I think it's probably a very different scenario if we're essentially providing a distraction (luring old Jingshen away for example) for someone who is an existing (if lesser) Jingshen clan member to claim the artefacts versus trying to get one of our own nascents* into and wherever they're storing the artifacts and back out of Jingshen territory before they can respond.

Obviously, if we can get them that's great. But I feel like some people are assuming it will be much more simple than it would actually be.

If I'm missing something please let me know.

*Golden Devils Core formations aren't fast enough to escape a Jingshen nascent divining them and chasing them down.
 
Do other people feel like Yao's relationship has changed with her thinking of Manual as a senpai/mentor figure? Their relationship is different than it was before.
 
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It is glorious and terrifying that Lady Yao's sheer chronic filthiness is starting to support Core Formation Fleas.

We should give Lady Jiao something as thanks for this.

Maybe a gift basket? I think that would be appropriate.
Only if the gift basket is ticking.

That sounds painful as hell
After the first few decades of Nascent Soul cultivation, mere horrifying mutilations become kind of meh.

It was a nice little tit-for-tat moment that's about to hilariously blow up in their collective faces
To be fair, it does rather muddy the casus belli waters if Jingshen is clever enough to use that.

They say "So yeah, Manuel outright said in so many words that the raiders were Flood Dragon Bandits, so Lady Jiao is just tooling around and oh hey it's the Nascent whose bandits launched a raid against her clan's empire a few decades ago, so she goes in to smack her around a little. Then the Devils hulk out to 'avenge' Lady Jiao attacking the leader of the faction that already attacked her faction."

I mean, obviously it doesn't make the Jingshen out to be angels, but it undermines our effort to build a clearcut obvious "and this is why we attacked them" narrative. Probably to the point where everyone watching the war from the outside just shrugs, says "fuckit, those two hate each other," and blames whichever side they dislike more.
 
I see a lot of people who are very confident that it will be simple to steal the Jingshen's tribulation treasures, and I don't really get why?

We have three Nascent Souls, compared to their two, one of whom is specialised in intrigue and one of whom is specialised in theft, given that she's a bandit. We both outnumber them and are operating where we're our very strongest when it comes to Nascent Soul competition. From what we can tell, defending against theft aren't either of the Jingshen's Nascents' specialities.

Comparatively, we're much weaker at diplomacy for subversion attempts, and they have a Nascent Soul with a Dao that should be perfect at making someone accept shattering their core if they're desperate enough to resort to that.
 
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I see a lot of people who are very confident that it will be simple to steal the Jingshen's tribulation treasures, and I don't really get why?

Old Jingshen has been dealing with Manuel for centuries, and given we got a look at what Manuel looked like in Old Cannibal's head, I have to assume that Old Jingshen will be operating under the assumption that Manuel knows (or can know) about the artefacts. Therefore, they're probably sitting in his capital, under a lot of security and his personal presence.
One Nascent really may not be enough to ensure a successful capture of those treasures. If it turns into a Nascent fight, we're going to want to outnumber and outmatch the Nascents there. It would be a nasty fight, if one of the core tenants of a Nascent fight is 'push the enemy into an unfavorable position', having a fight at the core of the opponent's power does not seem wise. However, this is the case for going after the royals and nobles as well. With how family-oriented Jingshen is, they're mostly going to be near him in the Underworld Spirit Palace as well. And he's highly protective.

They have eighty-one core cultivators. The Eighth and Sixth Prince and First Princess are unwilling but currently able to break their cores. If we go for all-out war, which our casus belli allows us to do, cultivators unwilling to break their cores while furnished with a sybaritic lifestyle may find their minds changed with war on their doorstop. It would be no easier to find and kill and find and kill GCCCs repeatedly without Jingshen getting in the way, and we may find that after such a slaughter, Jingshen will find it much easier to find a Prince or Princess willing to shatter their core for safety.

Either objective would be hard, I'd prefer to focus on the one that doesn't put the fear of us into the lazy royals just yet, while allowing us to balloon up to a temporary five Nascents next turn.
 
Well, there's our cassus belli - we'd be losing face *not* attacking at this point, so I suppose that simplifies the debate. Now it's a matter of figuring out how we're going to handle this and what goals we wish to achieve while doing so. With a 3 vs 2 matchup and the SPS extremely unlikely to raise a finger, we obviously want to go for the throat - but the question is what to do about the Jingshen's nascent raising treasures. Do we provoke them into raising unreliable Nascents and then just sit back and fan the flames? Or do we go for gold and try to steal them first?

If we attack, they can raise 2 new nascent, so it's more of a 3 vs 4 really... So we must make sure that any attack doesn't seem too threatening.

And I really don't think this is a good Casus Belli for us to attack. The attack on her life is an amazing Casus Belli for Lady Yao though...

I'm a bit wary though, it's almost TOO convenient... I smell a possible trap.
 
To be fair, it does rather muddy the casus belli waters if Jingshen is clever enough to use that.

They say "So yeah, Manuel outright said in so many words that the raiders were Flood Dragon Bandits, so Lady Jiao is just tooling around and oh hey it's the Nascent whose bandits launched a raid against her clan's empire a few decades ago, so she goes in to smack her around a little. Then the Devils hulk out to 'avenge' Lady Jiao attacking the leader of the faction that already attacked her faction."

I mean, obviously it doesn't make the Jingshen out to be angels, but it undermines our effort to build a clearcut obvious "and this is why we attacked them" narrative. Probably to the point where everyone watching the war from the outside just shrugs, says "fuckit, those two hate each other," and blames whichever side they dislike more.
Well sure, but Manuel can always say "I'm a Devil, I lied. You are the one who attacked your fellow member of the Righteous Path on nothing but spurious rumors spread by the blatantly disreputable me. Almost like you wanted an excuse." Which very much pokes at the idea that certain members of the Righteous have been persecuting poor little Flood Dragon Gang.

And while the resulting CB is unclear for us to declare war on Jingshen, it is perfectly clear for Yao to declare it over this completely unjustified attack and then pull us in.
 
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The last time a Nascent soul tried to kill a Single Pillar good seed, he got eaten for the insult. That was within Demonic alliances. Why would anyone expect that Demonic v Righteous would have less face involved?
Edit: Not punishing this would be a signal to everyone that they can ignore the pretense of propriety and outright strike with impunity. That aside, Jiao attacked Yao. That makes it personal where a retaliation on the juniors of the Flood Dragons would not have been
 
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To be frank, as excited as everyone's getting about the cassus belli this attack represents...It doesn't really change anything.

Some of you may have had your minds changed in the face of an acceptable justification, but by and large many of us always wanted to attack. This just presents an acceptable pretense to the fig leaf of assisting Yao that we had intended to follow through on.

Similarly, the presence of multiple Single Pillar Kings and a number of competent Core Formation Elders in addition to whatever other bonuses we can throw at an invasion force don't change things either. I'm kinda hoping we get a chance to recycle that flying island and turn it into a forward operating base.

From my perspective that'd be lit af.
 
Maria 43 - Price and Balance (Part 6)
Price and Balance (Part 6)
Maria Turn 11 Seventh Omake

The poison was clearly taking effect, looking at the way Lyssa was shuddering. Lungslice had minutes, if that. He hooked his hands under her armpits and dragged her back towards the farmhouse. The leech wall had eaten up enough of her explosion to keep the walls standing, but the roof was gone. Not ideal, but he'd manage. There should be just enough cover in the corners, at least. With a grunt, he heaved Lyssa's twitching body (already clammy to the touch from a cold sweat) into position. There was no point throwing up more leech walls around her. He had neither the time nor the qi. The poison would have to do. Instead, he reached out, took careful hold of the huge armored shoulderpads, and stripped off the woman's bull sleeves. Then he tore off a few scraps of her shirt, and stuffed the rags into the pocket of his robes.

Lungslice stepped back out of the ruin and glanced around. By now, she should… ah. Yes. There, off in the distance, was a spot of gleaming white and blue light, coruscating with flickering power. That confirmed how the siblings' bond worked, then. Alright. From what he knew of Maria, there were two ways this could go. Either fear and concern for her sister would have driven her past anything resembling logical thought, or she'd have gone somewhere in her head that was cold and mechanical until she was certain Lyssa was safe. Of the two, he'd prefer the latter; destructive anger was easier to predict. Better to ensure she got there.

He drew out the scraps of Lyssa's shirt, and carefully arranged them across the ground. Then he got to work on the bull sleeves. There wasn't enough time to destroy them, but he could scratch them up enough to get the point across – a few well-placed cuts from his chitinous arm blades would do for a start, but…

He hissed. Glanced up. The dot was closer than he'd like, but… no. No, it needed a little something extra. With a single, immediate chomp, he bit down on the inside of his cheek hard enough to fill his mouth with blood. If she checked it at all, his ruse would fall apart, but if she was in a position to check then he'd failed anyway. He spat the blood on the gouges he'd hacked into the bull sleeves, smearing it carefully with his fingertips, and dropped them at the edges of the doorway, just barely visible.
The scene was set. Time to see how it played out.
He leaned back against the wall, as casually and unaffected as he could manage, and waited.
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It had taken every ounce of Maria's self-control not to bolt the instant she felt Lyssa's qi wink out, and then forced her to plumb new wells of it when she didn't feel her sister-self snap back into her mind to regenerate. The shock must have shown on her face, though, because the Elder had stopped his latest overly-long spiel of self-effacing platitudes and stared at her.

"Honoured cultivator?"
Maria hadn't answered. Instead, she'd forced herself to sweep the plains. They'd just reached the edge of the ruins. She pointed.
"There," she said, roughly. "That house. See it?"
"…I do, but-"
"You go there, all of you. You get inside, you close the doors, you wait there. Stay quiet. Clear?"
He'd taken a small eternity to nod in understanding, and when at last she burst into a sprint, the fire of her altered purities technique spurting out of her pressure points and scorching at her brass flesh, she was half-way to frantic with fear and rage.
She could feel where her sister-self had been when she'd vanished. That at least was easy. "Lyssa," Maria whispered, not realizing she'd spoken as the words were torn away by the wind. "Lyssa it's alright I'm coming-"

And then at last she was there at the farmhouse, glaring at the long-limbed figure who waited for her. Long practice at last kicked in. She knew this bastard at least a little; the figure she'd seen at the fortress, martialing Shu Cangquiong's troops. The old disciplines and procedures drilled into her head decades ago at the Dawn Fortress echoed in her brain; do not escalate. Gather information. Formulate a plan. Then strike like the thunder of Tribulation.
"…Long time no see," she grated. The figure smiled.
"Yes. You're looking well. I like the new hair colour."
"Can't say the same to you. Never got your name."
"Lungslice," he said, politely, "of the Demonic Altar. A pleasure."
"Sure."
Alright. Alright. Think. Get him talking. Formulate, then stri-

Rags from Lyssa's shirt. Not many, but enough to suggest… something. Something awful. Panic burnt white hot in her hind-brain, already starting to alchemize into hate. But no. No, she couldn't afford that, not yet.
"So," said Maria, forcing her voice to a calm, even tone with willpower she'd not known she had, "there a reason you're hanging out this far from the city?"
For a second, there was the slightest flicker of something on Lungslice's face, something she couldn't read before it smoothed out into a bland, professional smile.
"Stretching my legs," he said. "You know sieges. One gets so bored."
"Sure. But down here?"
"Lunch."
His smile didn't change, but she watched his eyes flick back towards the door.
Too obvious, she thought, clinging to the rails of protocol as her only defence against the churning terror that was running through her brain. It's a feint. Has to be. Lyssa. Find Lyssa.

"No offence, but I hope you're still hungry," she said. Lungslice blinked.
"That's a little rude."
"Well, you eat people. Not really a fan. Nothing personal, but you grow up in the desert? Cannibalism becomes kind of a bugbear."
"Ah yes. Sun Diaxang's little sect. I can imagine you'd build up something of a prejudice."
"Is what it is," she said, shrugging. "So what, just looking for a meal? Got to be another reason."

Lungslice's smile took on an edge.
"Well, that depends, doesn't it? Not all meals are equal, after all."
He angled himself back towards the door. It was the slightest shift, but she saw it. He wanted her to look. She didn't.
"Sometimes it's not even about the eating, either. The value is in the ingredient."
Maria felt her eye start to itch, the weight of his words heavy on her pupils, dragging them slowly down towards…

Wait.
Distortion. Slight, barely visible, like the tiniest ripple in still water. The air was moving wrong. More accurately it wasn't moving at all. It just hung there, directly in front of her, dead.
Leech wall. A good one, too; she hadn't felt it at all. This was a trap.
She shot Lungslice an amused smirk.
"You want to step outside and say that?"
His face didn't quite freeze, but she could see the effort in that.
"Nice little wall," she went on, carefully. The panic and fear were still there, burning in the back of her skull, but she fought them down. Control. This was about control. "Hard to throw it up on short notice. This was prepped, right? Took you a little while."
He said nothing. She watched him start to pull back a little inside the farm house.
"So you have your fancy little wall, which you prep, and then you get Lyssa. Right? That's who's inside. But you haven't killed her. Tell you why, too. If you had, she'd snap back to me, unless you'd figured out a way to eat her and keep her. But if you'd done that already, we wouldn't be chatting like this, you'd just kill me and be done with it. So either you can't, or it's slow. And you're nervous 'bout taking me in a straight fight, or this little wall wouldn't be up."

Maria's fear was a roiling mass, now, buried in her head and her gut, but she could use that. Lungslice was pinned.
"Not an assassination, no matter what you want me to think. Trying to get me riled, run straight through this, and then yum yum chomp chomp look who's a clever little altar boy."
"Maybe I'm just stacking the deck," he murmured. Maria smirked.
"You'd need to. But no. This. You don't have jack shit for this."
"I still have my wall."
"Sure. But that's not going to last forever, and I can find a way through eventually. I have time."

Silence.
"So. How about we try something else? You come out now, you start running… that's a head start for as long as it takes me to find Lyssa and kill her so she can regenerate. Not bad odds."
"And return empty handed."
"Least then you get to return. Because if you don't, I will get past this eventually, and then you're dead."
More silence. He'd vanished from sight now altogether, and the leech wall was fucking up her qi-sense. She settled.
"Come on. Last chance. Three. Two…"

Still nothing. Okay.
Leech walls were great defensive tools, but they were expensive. She had to find a way past. The ragged ground, littered with scorch marks and burn scars, suggested Lyssa had hit it already with some kind of fire attack, probably to try and go under. It was the go-to strategy, but it also clearly hadn't worked. He must have anchored it too low.

But.

The qi cost was going to be exorbitant. Everything about this set-up said he'd been operating on a limited output budget; he wouldn't be pushing so hard to get her off-balance otherwise. So how likely was it that the wall would cover all 360 degrees?

She gritted her teeth and kicked off, fire qi lancing out of her back for speed and another burst punching out of her hand to lick along the edge of the leech wall. The flames guttered and died as they brushed against it. She kept going.
Still there… still there… still there…
Curving-
The width from her hand to the wall was increasing as the wall curved away and around. She turned with it, heart sinking.
Still there… still there… still there-
Wall. The farmhouse wall. He'd anchored it there. It might keep curving in and around, but…
Fuck it. Limited options. The lunged forward, threw a punch, and watched the wall shatter underneath her first. She coughed up a burst of flames through the gap…
And felt nothing. No leech wall.

She had him.

Maria was through the gap and swinging, spitting fire as she went. There was the briefest flicker of the scene inside before battle began – Lungslice, helmet up, already dropped into a defensive formation, and Lyssa slumped in a corner, not moving. Her bull sleeves were shredded and bloodied in the doorway. In that last fraction of a second, Maria let her eye burn into Lungslice's face.

You want me angry, you son of a bitch? Alright.
BURN.


And then she let the rage take hold, and the world shattered into a mosaic of violence.
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"Inside. In, girl, unless you want the heavens to fall on you!"

Yung Sun was not a particularly complicated man. By and large, he wanted to be left in peace with his witling knife and some tea. That felt acceptable, given he'd retired. If more people wanted that, then the world would be a simpler place. Yet despite that, here he was, thousands of miles from home, in the depths of contested military territory, with two (three?) cultivators off in the distance killing one another. And his entire family, all the way down to little Wu, was here with him.
How the hell had things gone so wrong?
But there wasn't time to worry about that. Daiyu was still taking far too long to get inside the house. If their honourable cultivator escort had ordered them inside, then inside they would go.
If only because he had no idea what else to do.

At last, Daiyu was ushered inside, crying quietly. Sun hushed her gently.
"Easy, now, my dovekin, easy," he murmered. Her mother was hovering close by, a stricken expression on her face. Sun smiled gently. This bit he knew how to do. "It's alright. See? Safe inside."
Daiyu sniffled a little, her face buried in his shoulder.
"Where'd did she go?"
Sun winced. Who 'she' was, was obvious. He didn't have an answer for the question.
"I can't claim to know, dear heart. But I'm sure she'll be back soon."
"But-"
"I know. I know. It's a little frightening, isn't it? But we'll be alright. And then we shall be in the desert. You can see the scorpions, remember?"
Daiyu nodded again. At last, she let herself be coaxed away by her mother. Sung Yun watched her go before he let his gentle, grandfatherly smile drop.

Gods. What the hell were they going to do?

"Father," came a voice from his shoulder. He turned. Tien, his son, gave him a worried glance. "The… thing."
"What thing?"
"On the horizon. The distortion that-"
"Yes, yes. What about it?"
"It's moving."
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Damn it damn it damn it damn it.
This was not how ANY of this was supposed to go.
Lungslice brought his arms up to defend, letting the blows rain down on his shoulders and blades. It didn't make much of a difference – Maria's fists hit him like sledgehammers, the shock of her strength running through his body and leaving him shaken and numb. Worse, the fire was spreading; his robe had been scorched into ash already, and he could feel his chitin starting to crack.

She'd been too smart. He'd not had direct contact with her before; even during Shu Cangquiong's ridiculous raid, he'd been more focused on hitting the treasury and then retreating. The girl, he'd assumed, was just another frontliner. Dangerous, certainly, but not impossible to manage. Instead, he was facing a fucking hurricane. Heat, soulsteel, and brutality, conjured into the shape of a cultivator and beating on him like a damn drum. She didn't even get angry like a normal person. There should be sloppiness, gaps he could exploit, but no; she fought him with the technique of a lifelong veteran, married to the aggression of a fucking berserker.
The only thing he had over her was focus. He was fighting her. She was fighting him and trying to get to her sister. If she made it, all Maria would have to do was deliver one half-decent strike to kill Lyssa, drag her back into their shared body, and then wait. Lyssa would be back up and about in half an hour, and then Lungslice (if he survived that long) was truly screwed.

He could admit it. He had miscalculated. Time to make an adjustment. Speaking practically, there was no way in hell he could win this. Maria was a better straight fighter than he was. To beat her, he'd need much more prep time than he had. The original plan – catch and eat both – had been beaten when she'd resisted his attempts to goad her into the leech wall. Time to pull out.
How, though? If he ran, she'd follow. At best, he'd only have a few moments while she reabsorbed her sister. He needed to slow her down somehow.

Punch, blocked on his forearm, redirected just in time – a jet of flame lances out of her wrist, the heat scorching his helmet as it goes past –

The fire. She was a Golden Devil. They were slow. The only reason she wasn't was how she used the fire. And that was pressure points.
You could close pressure points…

He kept up his defensive stance, redirecting and blocking as much as he could. Her arms would be good, but her back seemed to be where a lot of the push came from. He'd have to catch that. But how to-

Block, uppercut to his jaw. The force took him off his feet and into the air, head spinning for a moment. Maria –
Turned towards her sister. He saw the light, blue white, blossoming in her chest, running up her throat and building in her mouth. A fireball. She'd scorch Lyssa into ash and pull her back in to regenerate. It was quick, effective, and she'd be able to focus on him.
But she'd turned to do it.
Well. Don't look gift horses in the mouth. He flicked out one finger, aimed –
Don't miss don't miss don't miss-
The fireball bloomed from Maria's mouth, rolling through the space towards Lyssa and growing as it went –
Don't miss don't miss don't miss-
And fired.
The qi blast was needle-thin, the attack closer to acupuncture than artillery. But it worked. He watched it lance into the main pressure point on her back and lance it shut. Maria's eye widened. The fury in it intensified. He'd have to work fast…

WOOOOMPH

The fireball took out Lyssa, the corner walls, and a chunk of the floor. The shockwave rattled through what was left of the ruin, shredding the walls as it went. They were in the centre of a scar on the landscape, now, shredded and burnt material everywhere.
Lungslice barely managed to stick the landing, staggering a little. Maria was on him in seconds. He was going to-

And then something shuddered behind him. Maria froze. Stared.
He turned.
The distortion swallowed them up before they could even scream.
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Hoooo boy I have so much more to write and the fates are so close. @no. @Kaboomatic @TehChron may I have a threadmark please?
 
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In regards to the overarching discussion...

Oh I agree, we've got all the grounds we need to hit the GO button in my honest opinion.

But then, the Jingshen had a damn good reason to hit the GO button on us after we raided their border installations.

We're neighbors who hate each other, and most outsiders, I think, will cynically recognize that the real reason we're fighting is, ultimately, because we're neighbors who hate each other. And they'll back whichever side they want to win for their own reasons.
 
Nah. We have QM confirm that we got a crit success on intrigue, and they got a critfail on intrigue defense. I guarantee we get a chance to exploit that before they realize what happened. Honestly, I think it makes sense anyway. If she'd pulled it off, it would have been a huge hit to our side in this upcoming fracas, and she had good reason to expect that she could pull it off. We only just barely managed to thwart it because Manuel had figured out a new trick, and used it to pull off a major bluff.
We didn't get a crit success on intrigue, we rolled extremely poorly. Hence our stupidest spies bumbling their way to success.

But yeah, that strike would have succeeded if not for something they had no way of knowing about.
 
In regards to the overarching discussion...

Oh I agree, we've got all the grounds we need to hit the GO button in my honest opinion.

But then, the Jingshen had a damn good reason to hit the GO button on us after we raided their border installations.

We're neighbors who hate each other, and most outsiders, I think, will cynically recognize that the real reason we're fighting is, ultimately, because we're neighbors who hate each other. And they'll back whichever side they want to win for their own reasons.
It also means that nobody will be inclined to intervene meaningfully because its just two assholes fucking each other plus they've got Bees and the Altar Lord smacking them in the face so they have better things to worry about.
 
It also means that nobody will be inclined to intervene meaningfully because its just two assholes fucking each other plus they've got Bees and the Altar Lord smacking them in the face so they have better things to worry about.
You say that but they also have to worry about spirt stones flowing into there lands. They will definitely pick a side if that sweet sweet stone stops flowing.
 
This is, perhaps, a weird thought. Would heaven being giving little 'pushes' in treasures direction and creating new ones for the other power in the desert?

If so I find that is ,somewhat, funny that the pawn in question is unwilling to use said treasures other than his family^^. for all I know (if was heaven) those were custom made to make for strong cultivators :D
 
This is, perhaps, a weird thought. Would heaven being giving little 'pushes' in treasures direction and creating new ones for the other power in the desert?

If so I find that is ,somewhat, funny that the pawn in question is unwilling to use said treasures other than his family^^. for all I know (if was heaven) those were custom made to make for strong cultivators :D
Heaven doesn't really micromanage things like that. It takes big sweeping actions(like cursing whole groups or practices) and punishes glaring acts of defiance(such as ascending to a new great realm). Jingshen got those treasures themselves through hard work, which is why it'll feel great to make it all meaningless.
 
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