Hmmph... this junior is a good seed [Cultivation Management Quest]

[occipitallobe]

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[LordEdric]

If Magnus hadn't been born here, he probably would have joined the Noble Knowledge Sect

 

[GardenerBriareus]

If you made it to there, you would reach the City of Experiments, Chunwang. Nearly thirty million mortals live here, one of the largest cities in the region. Mortals are bred like cattle and owned by cultivators, each used for varying experiments. Some live as assistants, others experimental subjects. Blood Path heretics are monsters, but the deaths they give are measured in hours at most. Days for the worst. The torture inflicted in Chunwang defies belief. When Bear-Lord Tarkos infiltrated this place, the Spiritual Jades he sought out were sealed, and are required viewing by the Bear Enslavement Sect Elders. Any who seek to rule the Sect must know the monstrosity of what we face. Constant, horrific experimentation, children and adults alike begging for death, elders weeping over their daughters and sons while cutting them apart for the creatures who rule them, hoping this will be the last time they are forced to do such things, knowing that it will not.

There is no worse place than Chunwang.

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"We hold souls to be sacred, but we also know the foundation of the soul consists in a stream of information not so different from the successive impulses of a spiritual jade. Why then cannot we cut one impulse short here, and start another there? Is the soul so fragile that it can withstand no tampering? Does the sacred brook no improvement?"

"My gift to industry is the spiritually transformed worker, or Pigman. Specially designed for labor, the Pigman's muscles and nerves are ideal for his task, and the cerebral cortex has been atrophied so that he can desire nothing except to perform his duties. Tyranny, you say? How can you tyrannize someone who cannot feel pain?"

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God fucking damnit, I wanted Noble Knowledge to have some kind of gray area, but no, they're repulsive caricature monsters worthy of Garth Ennis. I assume that anyone with an ounce of humanity or even the most basic rudiments of good taste is killed before they reach maturity. Also, since my half-written omake doesn't portray the Noble Knowledge Sect as a seething nest of Dark Eldar poison fetishists, I can abandon all hope of it being considered canon.

"Why do you insist that the human Qi code is "sacred" or "taboo"? It is a spiritual process and nothing more. For that matter -we- are spiritual processes and nothing more. If you deny yourself a useful tool simply because it reminds you uncomfortably of your mortality, you have uselessly and pointlessly crippled yourself."

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Oh God, this fucking quote. I've seen its original form before, and it never ceases to amaze me with its "dumb guy who thinks he's a genius" energy.

Arguing that humans are "a chemical/spiritual process and nothing more" with any kind of seriousness necessitates discarding either all motive to do anything, or changing nothing at all. If "being a chemical process" means anything, then it means that all human thought, behavior, instinct, and action is meaningless, including the conclusion that humans are a chemical process - and therefore ideas of usefulness, discomfort, and all other such human-made concepts are meaningless as well, meaning that the inevitable conclusion of that line of thought is either "everyone should just die" or "I guess we just circle back around to reopening the entire field of morality, aesthetics, methodology, and ethics, because if the idea of humans being chemical processes doesn't render everything meaningless, then it also doesn't actually generate any kind of useful filter or lens to observe the world through".

At best, it's a fascist spouting self-evident bullshit to make someone else shut up. At worst, it's a fascist who legitimately thinks that his moronic hot take is a stroke of ideological genius rather than a meaningless fart of vaporous sophistry.

A perfect tombstone to lay atop this whole mess, honestly.

 

[adamashield]

To be fair if someone is complete rational and have enough knowledge. One would see how priceless a human life potential is. and this is without cultivation. I mean a complex 'mechanism' capable of self-adjustment to a ridiculous degree, capable of learning and memorization and capable of doing 'passive' actions that are difficult to do even with the best computers. and this is 'just' the brain and other nerve areas. they can also multiple, and endure some impressive scenarios.
A 'true' rational should be the most pro life being know unless he/she/it is truly a selfish being.
But since this is cultivation, heaven and a lot of other factors while being told by the enemy. Well I can't say how truly priceless life is when a butterfly of sufficient power can mate with a human and create 'superior' Childs with it bloodline. And when a NS is more valuable (with reason) than one million mortals and his/she/their/it actions have a bigger impact give how this heaven works.

 

[Olivebirdy]

I'm hoping to get information that makes it morally acceptable to trade knowledge with them. You make one zombie plague...

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Yeah, this didn't pan out.

 

[Insane-Not-Crazy]

God fucking damnit, I wanted Noble Knowledge to have some kind of gray area, but no, they're repulsive caricature monsters worthy of Garth Ennis. I assume that anyone with an ounce of humanity or even the most basic rudiments of good taste is killed before they reach maturity. Also, since my half-written omake doesn't portray the Noble Knowledge Sect as a seething nest of Dark Eldar poison fetishists, I can abandon all hope of it being considered canon.



Oh God, this fucking quote. I've seen its original form before, and it never ceases to amaze me with its "dumb guy who thinks he's a genius" energy.

Arguing that humans are "a chemical/spiritual process and nothing more" with any kind of seriousness necessitates discarding either all motive to do anything, or changing nothing at all. If "being a chemical process" means anything, then it means that all human thought, behavior, instinct, and action is meaningless, including the conclusion that humans are a chemical process - and therefore ideas of usefulness, discomfort, and all other such human-made concepts are meaningless as well, meaning that the inevitable conclusion of that line of thought is either "everyone should just die" or "I guess we just circle back around to reopening the entire field of morality, aesthetics, methodology, and ethics, because if the idea of humans being chemical processes doesn't render everything meaningless, then it also doesn't actually generate any kind of useful filter or lens to observe the world through".

At best, it's a fascist spouting self-evident bullshit to make someone else shut up. At worst, it's a fascist who legitimately thinks that his moronic hot take is a stroke of ideological genius rather than a meaningless fart of vaporous sophistry.

A perfect tombstone to lay atop this whole mess, honestly.

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I interpreted it as meaning that arguments for ethics or morality only have merit in their utility and not as imperatives. It doesn't mean that all human thought, behavior, instinct, and action is meaningless. To me, it's a view that whatever meaning may be attributed is not necessary but a product of pragmatism. To a seeker if knowledge then restraint which is not useful to acquiring more knowledge is mere opinion

 

[Insane-Not-Crazy]

To be fair if someone is complete rational and have enough knowledge. One would see how priceless a human life potential is. and this is without cultivation. I mean a complex 'mechanism' capable of self-adjustment to a ridiculous degree, capable of learning and memorization and capable of doing 'passive' actions that are difficult to do even with the best computers. and this is 'just' the brain and other nerve areas. they can also multiple, and endure some impressive scenarios.
A 'true' rational should be the most pro life being know unless he/she/it is truly a selfish being.
But since this is cultivation, heaven and a lot of other factors while being told by the enemy. Well I can't say how truly priceless life is when a butterfly of sufficient power can mate with a human and create 'superior' Childs with it bloodline. And when a NS is more valuable (with reason) than one million mortals and his/she/their/it actions have a bigger impact give how this heaven works.

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Those are useful features but they don't make a thing priceless in the sense of being inherently worth preserving. Humanity might be useful but humans are only worth the benefit they bring

 

[adamashield]

Those are useful features but they don't make a thing priceless in the sense of being inherently worth preserving. Humanity might be useful but humans are only worth the benefit they bring

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Since I not want to discuss this and will need to work soon. Here just my opinion. if someone is 'true' rational it will compare 'value' of thins without preconceptions. If they want more and better knowledge, then a human potential should be more valuable than their weight in gold for example. having multiple 'super computers' that even without cultivation can be use to improve their speed of learning, create tools and even help cultivators like the mortal build place that can be use by wounded cultivators that was use in the peace talk, use to collect resources and etc.

Plus looking at the golden devils and looking at 'normal' mortals in blood bath land and 'normal cultivator' land. I would sincere doubt that they could not take results/data from other sources. from just observing.

But this would be a can of worms on itself, even without the few amount of trade these guys can do. and other stuff like ghost being formed by really angry/vengeful mortals.

 

[no.]

@GardenerBriareus

If you want a version of Noble Knowledge that's morally gray rather than absurdly over the top evil, you may be interested in Time Shatter. According to Word of QM they're pretty good to their mortals, and while they have an "ends justify the means" worldview, it's more "ruthless, harmful industrialism" than "giga-evil". And to top it off, their membership in the NDA is entirely based around self defense. They would mind their own business if their techniques weren't considered heretical.

 

[Sirrocco]

God fucking damnit, I wanted Noble Knowledge to have some kind of gray area, but no, they're repulsive caricature monsters worthy of Garth Ennis. I assume that anyone with an ounce of humanity or even the most basic rudiments of good taste is killed before they reach maturity. Also, since my half-written omake doesn't portray the Noble Knowledge Sect as a seething nest of Dark Eldar poison fetishists, I can abandon all hope of it being considered canon.

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For what it's worth, this is the perspective of their sworn enemies. It's almost guaranteed to have a decent chunk of bias in it.

That said... admittedly, it's not looking all that good.

 

[Nordlending]

Its a huge place. I am sure there exsist a gray area. Nothing is completely black and white.

 

[Garlak]

Thought: we kill the Outer Clan Noble, and frame somebody for the deed, perhaps one of the Servant Elders that we don't like our chances of flipping. We try to flip or compromise the other 2 Servant Elders.

Maybe use the stolen hat to frame somebody too. Either the Outer Clan Noble, or a Servant Elder. "Ah yes clearly he was the one who did it; after all, he has the stolen hat!"

Dunno if we could successfully cast blame on one of the Princes or Princesses; it's not as likely for them to want to sabotage an Outer Noble or Servant Elder, as all they have to do is successfully qualify for Core-shattering. Because they know that Jingshen will pick them first; they're family. They have more to worry about from within the family rather than outside it; their competitors/rivals are their own family.

... Which I guess just means that if we want to implicate one of the Jingshen Princes or Princesses, we have to frame them for targeting a fellow Prince or Princess. As those are the ones they compete with.

Though at the same time, for all we know, the Jingshen could be a pretty tight family. Given Old Jingshen's level of favor for his family, this could be the case. Or it could be that he just can't (fully) trust anybody who isn't family which, well, fair.

For what it's worth, this is the perspective of their sworn enemies. It's almost guaranteed to have a decent chunk of bias in it.

That said... admittedly, it's not looking all that good.

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Its a huge place. I am sure there exsist a gray area. Nothing is completely black and white.

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If somebody asked the Golden Devils about the Devil Bees or the Battle Blood Cannibal Sect, they'd also get a biased answer. But that bias wouldn't be wrong, in the end.

I think... The Noble Knowledge Sect is probably, in one sense, as worrisome and scary as the Demonic Altar to people there.

It's in the fact that the Righteous Powers have to keep up an entire siege in order to keep them in check. Think of that. It means that if NKS weren't kept in check, they'd spread all over the Plains, and fuck over everybody. They're huge and scary to everyone in the Plains, basically.

 

[Insane-Not-Crazy]

Thought: we kill the Outer Clan Noble, and frame somebody for the deed, perhaps one of the Servant Elders that we don't like our chances of flipping. We try to flip or compromise the other 2 Servant Elders.

Maybe use the stolen hat to frame somebody too. Either the Outer Clan Noble, or a Servant Elder. "Ah yes clearly he was the one who did it; after all, he has the stolen hat!"

Dunno if we could successfully cast blame on one of the Princes or Princesses; it's not as likely for them to want to sabotage an Outer Noble or Servant Elder, as all they have to do is successfully qualify for Core-shattering. Because they know that Jingshen will pick them first; they're family. They have more to worry about from within the family rather than outside it; their competitors/rivals are their own family.

... Which I guess just means that if we want to implicate one of the Jingshen Princes or Princesses, we have to frame them for targeting a fellow Prince or Princess. As those are the ones they compete with.

Though at the same time, for all we know, the Jingshen could be a pretty tight family. Given Old Jingshen's level of favor for his family, this could be the case. Or it could be that he just can't (fully) trust anybody who isn't family which, well, fair.


If somebody asked the Golden Devils about the Devil Bees or the Battle Blood Cannibal Sect, they'd also get a biased answer. But that bias wouldn't be wrong, in the end.

I think... The Noble Knowledge Sect is probably, in one sense, as worrisome and scary as the Demonic Altar to people there.

It's in the fact that the Righteous Powers have to keep up an entire siege in order to keep them in check. Think of that. It means that if NKS weren't kept in check, they'd spread all over the Plains, and fuck over everybody. They're huge and scary to everyone in the Plains, basically.

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Of all the Powers in the Noble Demon Alliance, the Noble Knowledge sect are the greatest winners. The land they've claimed is pretty much permanently theirs. Their cultivation base is only ever on the increase because their institutional knowledge is preserved by a Spirit Severing plus influence. Resources are abundant in their holdings.

I'll say this: the threat isn't the elders but the treasures that potentially elevate them to Nascents. They're mostly irrelevant without that since the dice could throw a miracle.

 

[Garlak]

I'll say this: the threat isn't the elders but the treasures that potentially elevate them to Nascents. They're mostly irrelevant without that since the dice could throw a miracle.

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The Servant Elders are a threat to Old Jingshen, is the idea, though. The threat of instability or uncertainty; of feeling like he has to always watch his back now, because now 1-2 of them are Nascent Souls.

That was why the focus on the people. Because Jingshen can trust the Outer Noble if he ascends; he just needs to marry his daughter to him. But if the only prospective Nascent Souls are Servant Elders? Jingshen is a lot more nervous.

Which then ties back to the thought Kleisthenes had at the end of the update; "This... this opened up so many possibilities. Perhaps the Jingshen Clan simply needed a new leader."

 

[Nordlending]

The Noble Knowledge Sect is all about the end Justifies the Means.

You want your dog to be fluffier. If genocide is what It takes. It will be done.

That's my impression at least. There is probably someone inside the forest who is searching for something so righteously good that it makes everyone looks awful by comparison. The means they are willing to use...

 

[Simon_Jester]

Oh God, this fucking quote. I've seen its original form before, and it never ceases to amaze me with its "dumb guy who thinks he's a genius" energy.

Arguing that humans are "a chemical/spiritual process and nothing more" with any kind of seriousness necessitates discarding either all motive to do anything, or changing nothing at all. If "being a chemical process" means anything, then it means that all human thought, behavior, instinct, and action is meaningless, including the conclusion that humans are a chemical process - and therefore ideas of usefulness, discomfort, and all other such human-made concepts are meaningless as well, meaning that the inevitable conclusion of that line of thought is either "everyone should just die" or "I guess we just circle back around to reopening the entire field of morality, aesthetics, methodology, and ethics, because if the idea of humans being chemical processes doesn't render everything meaningless, then it also doesn't actually generate any kind of useful filter or lens to observe the world through".

At best, it's a fascist spouting self-evident bullshit to make someone else shut up. At worst, it's a fascist who legitimately thinks that his moronic hot take is a stroke of ideological genius rather than a meaningless fart of vaporous sophistry.

A perfect tombstone to lay atop this whole mess, honestly.

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I mean, with Sheng-Ji Yang, that nihilism you're dismissing as bullshit is itself the point.

Remember that in another quote he says:

"if our society seems more nihilistic than that of previous eras, perhaps this is simply a sign of our maturity of sentient species. As our collective consciousness expands beyond a crucial point, we are at last ready to accept life's fundamental truth: that life's only purpose is life itself."

He really does believe that human thought, behavior, instinct, and action are meaningless in and of themselves, and that any created meaning that can be imposed upon them must necessarily be in service of some 'greater' goal. In his opinion, the ideal goal is the creation of a supremely productive and focused 'Human Hive,' and that's kind of the point of his whole faction in the game he comes from.

You can say he's wrong about that, but the philosophy really is much better developed than one would expect for a faction from a video game that calls itself "the Human Hive" and whose preferred social model is explicitly a dystopian police state that makes North Korea look libertarian by comparison.

The Servant Elders are a threat to Old Jingshen, is the idea, though. The threat of instability or uncertainty; of feeling like he has to always watch his back now, because now 1-2 of them are Nascent Souls.

That was why the focus on the people. Because Jingshen can trust the Outer Noble if he ascends; he just needs to marry his daughter to him. But if the only prospective Nascent Souls are Servant Elders? Jingshen is a lot more nervous.

Which then ties back to the thought Kleisthenes had at the end of the update; "This... this opened up so many possibilities. Perhaps the Jingshen Clan simply needed a new leader."

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Yeah. I think the core insight there is that by amassing enough treasures to permit new Nascents to rise, Old Jingshen has created a situation where someone else could supplant him and his daughter as ruler of the Clan. If only they had a way of getting Old Jingshen and Lady Jiao out of the way... a way which we would be willing to provide, if we could manage it.

 

[Sirrocco]

Another vague plan - instead of supplanting the Jingshen, we set them up for ongoing civil war. (Possibly this involves offering one of the Servant Elders a safe place to undergo tribulation and/or assistance in stealing the tribulation treasures.) Then, while they're doing that, we go full court press on nipping at Old Jingshen's heels, taking his lands, and stealing his stuff. If our pressure lets the new upstart nascent win, we let him win. If he can't win, we offer him safe passage across the desert to find a home with whichever righteous sect will have him. I'm sure there's someone out there who's more worried about the blood path than they are fond of Jingshen, to the degree that an unexpected freebie nascent would be welcomed in. As far as we're concerned, it's a chance to grab a fair chunk of territory and do some nice solid raiding, leaving Jingshen notably diminished (and even more paranoid about those outside his family), at relatively low risk.

 

[TheCount]

The Misadventures of David!
part 7​

Spoiler: Owl Game

And here it is, finally! it just flat colors, but i don't have the energy nor the time for shading sadly, maybe next time!
For the omake reward, i would like a LST, thank you!
For missions, i would like to go with the Bandits.
For Turn notes: after hearing the tales of Aasmi during the trials, and Abel's lenses, he is going to gather materials for an array burner (think laser pointer with changable heads, only instead of animals or geometric shapes, its arrays) in Yuan (Use LST at wounded or worse, stay until only 1 LST remains), among other things, like good lenght of spider silk from the Spider Gate for rope.
At the Heavenly Bandit Kingdom, he will go around learning pickpoceting, stealth, lockpicking and other bandit/rogue stuff, If possible.

@Humbaba , @Kaboomatic Thank you!

 

[Humbaba]

Love the spots and head tilt on the owl!

 

[occipitallobe]

Man, reading about the Noble Knowledge Sect reminded me more of Commoragh than anything, which is utterly horrific. You have to wonder how much is genuine thrust for knowledge and how much is simple wretched cruelty propelling their actions.

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Mostly the former. They get specific rewards by turning in new novel research on the effects of poisons, various cultivation methods, etc, etc. It just so happens most 'what happens if we do X to a human' research outcomes are 'this person suffers badly', which is why we have ethics boards in the real world.

God fucking damnit, I wanted Noble Knowledge to have some kind of gray area, but no, they're repulsive caricature monsters worthy of Garth Ennis. I assume that anyone with an ounce of humanity or even the most basic rudiments of good taste is killed before they reach maturity. Also, since my half-written omake doesn't portray the Noble Knowledge Sect as a seething nest of Dark Eldar poison fetishists, I can abandon all hope of it being considered canon.

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There are shades of grey, it just so happens that 'horrible human experimentation' is rewarded by the Maze because 'really nice human experimentation' doesn't yield results. There are still plenty of Noble Knowledge members out there researching things that don't involve mass death or torture (array researchers, divination techniques, etc, etc), but those researchers aren't really salient to their opponents. I might clarify that in a follow-up, as the theme I'm hoping to bring to bear is more 'amoral researchers who are happy to commit massive crimes against humanity because it benefits them', not 'Dark Eldar who love a bit of torture for no appreciable reason'. I probably leant on that too hard when I was writing this as I really got into the Bear Enslavement's perspective which was 'who gives a fuck if there are a lot of other researchers doing other stuff, nobody cares about those guys - it's the monsters killing and torturing people that matter'

 

[Resonant]

as the theme I'm hoping to bring to bear

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I see what you did there

 

[uri]

I think people are going in a somewhat wrong direction with wanting and planing to fight the jingsan, I mean most planes I read take a huge risk in either trying to steal the treasures(which are bound to be well guarded), assassinate the necsent soul candidates (which are probebly in thier Cantrell fortress) or kill one of thier nacesent souls (no easy feat) and with the added risk of other rightius nacesent soul reinforcing them, and with only trying to take the former- Canibal lands, it seams most plans yake a big risk for a relatively minor reward.

So how about we dont attack the jingsan but try to reach a diplomatic solution, now of course trying to find a diplomatic solution is going to run into the problem that war between jingsan and us is inevitable for geopoliticall reasons, we cant afford to have a dagger at our backs and the jingsan are traped by our land far from the other rightius path members and they fear an invasion from us and considering the way the thread is moving, rightfully so.

It a hard problem to solve because the jingsan wont believe in a " permanent peace" or any other offer so long we can just raise tariffs and drive them to financial ruin, the positioning of our land just wont allow for it.

But what if we offered them another peace of land in exchange of their own?

My proposed plan is such: we reach out to the jingsan with an offer for conquering the devil bees lands together in exchange for their desert land, between us and the jingsan we have 5 nacesent soul (6 if we convince them to raise a third one) so it is doable, we also offer help in relocating them, 200 hundred years of peace and 50% of the income of their former lands for 50-100 years.

Now this probebly wont be enough but if we reach to sps and ask them to lean on the jingsan to accept and get them to guarantee the deal(and maybe steer old fish our way) for guaranteeing the flow of spirt stones for 500 years and offering a big discount on sprit stones.

In the end if this plan is successful everybody win (except for the devil bees).

We gain the desert, we remove old canibal and the devil bees from the picture and guarantee peace for at least the next 100-200 years and strongly incaveatis them attacking us in the next 300 hundred years after.

The jingsan get closer to thier ally's, gain good land, gain points with thier ally's for helping in the war ( more if they raise on of the servent elders and after the war send him to sps to help in the great war) and arnt forced to a war to the knife woth us.

And sps get to remove old canibal who is a thorn in thier side, the get a guarantee of the spirits stones flowing ( and with a discount) and they get to draw us closer into thir circle of influence.

We all win here (except the devil bees who vary much loose).

 

[TheCount]

thats.... not bad actually? though, i would prefer a little longer peace with shorter concessions on our part, but thats just the details. i like the idea of solving it bloodlessly.

question is, if they would accept a land we dont have yet in this exchange or no?

 

[Sirrocco]

In the end if this plan is successful everybody win (except for the devil bees).

We gain the desert, we remove old canibal and the devil bees from the picture and guarantee peace for at least the next 100-200 years and strongly incaveatis them attacking us in the next 300 hundred years after.

The jingsan get closer to thier ally's, gain good land, gain points with thier ally's for helping in the war ( more if they raise on of the servent elders and after the war send him to sps to help in the great war) and arnt forced to a war to the knife woth us.

And sps get to remove old canibal who is a thorn in thier side, the get a guarantee of the spirits stones flowing ( and with a discount) and they get to draw us closer into thir circle of influence.

We all win here (except the devil bees who vary much loose).

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Here's your issue with this plan. The devil bee lands just aren't that good. The Jingshen lands have some really rich spirit stone mines and a decent bit of infrastructure. The Devil Bee lands have a lot of mountain and a bunch of... well, devil bees. Being low-risk wealthy magnates is kind of the Jingshen thing, and the Devil Bee lands really, really won't permit that.

Also, even if the lands were as good or better, the Jingshen are not going to be okay with a plan that basically requires them to send their nascents all the way across the desert from their own lands (thus leaving both lands and nascents vulnerable) to take part of the risk and effort in conquering new territory... jsut so they can giev us their old territory wholesale. It leaves them vulnerable to betrayal, costs them resources to hep with the conquest, and then gives us huge rewards (all of the old Jingshen lands) while giving them break-even (trading one set of lands for another).

 

[Mochinator]

the current war will not last forever, and when the basis of your regional hegemony is based on a mutual defense pact, you can't just ignore it when one of the signatories gets wiped off the map.

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I think this is a misconception. Righteous powers and Demonic powers are not a Alliance or a Treaty bound org. In xianxia and Wuxia, said groups are based on ideological lines, with Righteous being the classic do good + not sink to certain levels while Demonic is along the lines of no restrictions.

Any relationship among the factions within each side can run the gamut of allies, mortal foes etc just that they all agree that certain lines cannot be crossed. In the current war scenario, the righteous coaltion is banding up as a whole against the Demonic Side is purely for survival because they're DONE if they face them alone.

Any concrete alliance relationship would be along that lines of aiding me when i'm in danger and would be seperate from being part of the Righteous side. As such in the Jingshen's case, they have not done much to aid in the war of survival the Righteous sects in the plains are undergoing beyond business as usual. So the relationship between them and the Rigtheous side is more of "we agree on certain taboos' and a mechantile relationship where they supply the spirit stones.

As long as the spirit stones continue flowing, i don't see why the righteous sects would be willing to put in more effort they what they been given so far to aid the Jingshen. Sure, the Jingshen could promise more to them to do something, but if we make the new lands a hard enough target it won't be worth the manpower for the righteous side.

Remember, even without the big war, the sects in the Righetous alliance have issues with each other (Saber Palace and Flood Dragon as a example). Their powerbase is in the plains and the Desert's main role is to supply Spirit Stones for them. A status quo after the war would be to seize as much land in the plains as they can while competing among themselves in the plains to make their sect greater. Which for most would be to be the "First Among Equals" spot that the Strength Purity are in.

 

[uri]

lands just aren't that good. The Jingshen lands have some really rich spirit stone mines and a decent bit of infrastructure. The Devil Bee lands have a lot of mountain and a bunch of... well, devil bees. Being low-risk wealthy magnates is kind of the Jingshen thing, and the Devil Bee lands really, really won't permit that.

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Maybe the land isn't so good from a spirit stone perspective but it has a lot of beasts and can probably support at least two nacesent souls on that alone, infrastructure can be built up and with them receiving half of the income from thier former lands they will have the mony to do and because of the peace with us the time to do so.

As to being low-risk wealthy magnets they can probably adapted to being somthing else.

I cant really say anything about the risk of betrayal as that will always be a concern but of we can manage to get the sps to guarantee the deal those concerns will lessen and do keep in mined that one of the draws for the jingsan is not needing to go war to the knife with us and that they get closer to thier ally's.