Fate/Clusterfuck (Fate/Stay Night)

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Alright so Jimena is a somewhat common Spanish name, there are various historical figures connected to a Jimena, so I'm not sure yet who Ophelia's Servant could be
...it would be kinda funny if he was El Cid, because I've been reading another very fun fic that features El Cid as Rider

Alright with that done
What the fuck has been going on in London? I can't wait for the Annatar chapter I asked for to show the other side of this
 
Erien said:
We're entering the final arc shortly, don't worry, still a good bit to go in any case.
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Already?

Realizes we're at Arc 6.

Huh... I think I've gotten used to Fics & Quests dying out early. Everything eventually has to end, trying to deny that just goes poorly. Even so, I still feel weird given how much I've been enjoying this.
 
Touch Dom said:
...it would be kinda funny if he was El Cid, because I've been reading another very fun fic that features El Cid as Rider
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Now the question is, is it El Cid? Or is he Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar?

Because like Charlemagne, there is a divide between the epic hero of the El Cantar de mio Cid and the historical mercenary-knight Cid.
 
YEAHHHHHHH MY GIRLLLLL SHES OKAY
ty erien <3

oh geez thgat's a lot of bad stuff going on
oh no luvia
Erien said:
hen they were off, and the tower howled behind them.
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Clock Tower? more like.....Mordor? Barad-dur? I dunno lotr stuff, I just play Magic: the Gathering

Erien said:
"You remind me of Jimena, little master."
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Research says this could be....Bernardo del Carpio? A famous Spanish hero from the Charlemagne stories/era who I hadn't heard of...but Jimena was his mom, so that'd be a little weird. The other notable connection to a Jimena would be that one was married to....
DID OPHELIA SUMMON EL CID??????

Thanks for the story OP I really enjoyed it thanks for the update on how things are going in Clock Tower, I'm so glad Ophelia's okay, favorite Crypter deserves some good things in her life
 
Well someone needs to pick up that phone.

Erien said:
The servant was friendly, everyone adored him and fought for his attention, and he was gracious for it. He helped, he taught, and he gave gifts.
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SomeOneElse007 said:
He learns more about the world, digs deeper, makes more allies - magecraft society is easy to navigate (seriously putting motherfucking Sauron into a society like the clocktower must have basically been like putting an old and especially crafty wolf in a den full of backstabbing chihuahuas. Guy's in his element.
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Because I fucking called it.

Also wow this is really bad. I mean even if a lot of magus society kind of had it coming the rest of the world certainly doesn't.
 
Erien said:
I finish my stories thank you very much!
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Nice.

And yeah, this is bad. Like even if Shirou manages to do something about the Dark Lord himself, he's already basically taken out Clocktower. The next generation of mages are either going to come from the families that choose to stay away from Clocktower or just spring up in the wild. Interesting times ahead.
 
Nottheunmaker said:
Nice.

And yeah, this is bad. Like even if Shirou manages to do something about the Dark Lord himself, he's already basically taken out Clocktower. The next generation of mages are either going to come from the families that choose to stay away from Clocktower or just spring up in the wild. Interesting times ahead.
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time to make Circe's school for talented youngsters!
 
Nottheunmaker said:
Nice.

And yeah, this is bad. Like even if Shirou manages to do something about the Dark Lord himself, he's already basically taken out Clocktower. The next generation of mages are either going to come from the families that choose to stay away from Clocktower or just spring up in the wild. Interesting times ahead.
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Clusterfuck!
 
Nottheunmaker said:
And yeah, this is bad. Like even if Shirou manages to do something about the Dark Lord himself, he's already basically taken out Clocktower. The next generation of mages are either going to come from the families that choose to stay away from Clocktower or just spring up in the wild. Interesting times ahead.
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The Magus Association is more than London, there's plenty of people in Atlas and Wandering Sea who should be able to see this and bunker down. But given how Clocktower families work and is the place that has the biggest emphasis on actual research, about one and a half thousand years of preservation and development have been destroyed.

Compared to the upcoming Great Holy Grail War and whatever Ruler that gets the unfortunate task of trying to tell Sauron to do anything, it's almost small beans.
 
Always Late said:
The Magus Association is more than London, there's plenty of people in Atlas and Wandering Sea who should be able to see this and bunker down. But given how Clocktower families work and is the place that has the biggest emphasis on actual research, about one and a half thousand years of preservation and development have been destroyed.

Compared to the upcoming Great Holy Grail War and whatever Ruler that gets the unfortunate task of trying to tell Sauron to do anything, it's almost small beans.
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The Magus were asking for it officer.
 
TheGrape said:
The worst part of Sauron being a Servant is that such a thing is canonically possible in Fate.

Historical figures, future heroes, fictional characters, personifications of plague and war and famine and death, actual living people, you can summon anybody as a Servant.
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Eh. It sort of... varies, depending on who's writing and what angle you're looking from and what mood Nasu's in.

The original FSN, for example, treats the decision to have Sasaki Kojiro be a fictional, invented character (implicitly positioning every other mythological figure in the story as an actually real person who genuinely existed, which they pretty much have to be when they directly contradict the popular image of that character) as something important and meaningful. The resulting Servant is not Sasaki Kojiro, he is just Some Dude who never got famous enough to make it to the Throne of Heroes, but had the insane skills needed to approximate the role of Sasaki Kojiro. He's a ghost stuffed into a Sasaki Kojiro costume, and as a result he doesn't even have a "proper" Noble Phantasm (inasmuch as it matters).

Fate/Extra returns to play with this idea using Robin Hood (there were a bunch of "real" Robin Hoods, this guy was just one of the people to adopt the title, and doesn't think he even did a very good job), Vlad Tepes (a historical man with an invented vampiric legend, driven mad by the metaphysical influence of the latter, which manifests as a Skill in its own right, Innocent Monster), and Nursery Rhyme (she seems like a Servant version of Lewis Carrol's fictional Alice, but actually there's weirdness going on and she's not even really a Servant so much as a dying child's magical tulpa).

Apocrypha plays with this idea even more explicitly by returning to Vlad Tepes, who is a historical figure who is not Dracula, because Dracula was a fictional character and was not real, even if everyone thinks he's Dracula. Notably, when Vlad's forced to use the Noble Phantasm which transforms him into Dracula, he is not a Dead Apostle - which is what a "real" historical vampire would be in this setting. He's an expression of the entirely fictional character Dracula, with all the powers and weaknesses that entails. Of course, Apocrypha also has Frankenstein's Monster just... show up, apparently as a real person and actual Heroic Spirit, but that's far from the worst writing in that story.

Fate/Zero doesn't really touch on it except vaguely through Bluebeard, who is the actual historical figure Gilles de Rais, not the invented fairy tale character Bluebeard, despite bearing that title and being one of the character's inspirations.

A lot of fanfic writers took Sasaki Kojiro's original scenario as license to do silly shit like summon Harry Potter or the Hulk, but setting aside the tonal issues, that's not really how Sasaki worked. He wasn't a fictional character summoned as a Heroic Spirit to be a Servant. He was a real dude, summoned to fill the shoes of a Heroic Spirit who could have existed, but unfortunately wasn't real. A real ghost wearing an empty legend like an ill-fitting suit.

FGO then skids wildly all over the map, because a) we want to do a bunch of obviously fictional Servants but we don't have the time, space, or motivation to run through existential musings for all of them, b) there's no time, we need five Singularity scripts out the door yesterday and we don't care if it shows, c) Nasu changed his mind, pick between one and three options.

Then Sherlock Holmes shows up as a major character and Heroic Spirit, so he's clearly a real person despite being famously fictional in-setting, Mash has read the books written by an author about this fictional character. Except no, he's actually a crystallisation of the whole detective genre and the idea of mystery revealers, presumably built around the spirit of an anonymous detective or Joseph Bell. Except no, here's a spin-off story where he interacts with real actual historical characters, so he's a real person again. Except no, his profile is acting all coy about whether he's real, and here's Moriarty teasing the idea that neither of them are real people, and Holmes gets uncomfortable about addressing it. And in fact, Moriarty's whole EoR chapter revolves around the conceit of "Phantom Spirits" who are too vague, obscure, or transparently fictional to become true Heroic Spirits, but can be fused with each other or used to alloy the legends of actual Heroic Spirits.

The Count of Monte Cristo is a Heroic Spirit and definitely a real person, because he killed a significant character (Roa) in an actual historical battle that really happened in the history of the setting. The author of the fictional work, the Count of Monte Cristo, which he wrote as fiction, is also definitely a real person who exists in the setting, because a) he wrote the damn book, b) he also gets summoned as a Heroic Spirit. So you know what, it's all whatever, just stare vaguely into the middle distance and mutter something about "world layers" and "consolidation of mystery" and "something something Second Magic something".

Anyway, going by the examples presented, the most consistent things that would happen if you summoned J.R.R. Tolkien's Sauron would be a) Sauron was actually a real person in the setting, I guess, don't think too hard about it, b) you summoned Andvari, the shapeshifting dwarf from Norse mythology who cursed the magical ring Andvaranaut at the centre of Der Ring des Nibelungen, and you're just calling him Sauron because you misunderstood and the Holy Grail thinks it's funny, c) you summoned the ghost of some random historical ringsmith, possibly magical, who went unrecorded in history, and he got stuffed into a really flimsy Sauron costume because you're an idiot, d) you summoned some kind of demon that is using the accumulated concept of Sauron, and by extension a jumble of more firmly established ideas around Lucifer, Gyges, the tempting devil, etc, as an anchor and vessel for existing in this world as a Servant.

I'm placing money on d), for what it's worth, because to my recollection Sauron wasn't ever really much into the Lovecraftian SAN damage, so much as... making very tempting offers and letting people destroy themselves.
 
Revlid said:
FGO then skids wildly all over the map, because a) we want to do a bunch of obviously fictional Servants but we don't have the time, space, or motivation to run through existential musings for all of them, b) there's no time, we need five Singularity scripts out the door yesterday and we don't care if it shows, c) Nasu changed his mind, pick between one and three options.
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I figure with Humanity Incinerated in FGO a lot of the usual metaphysical rules are wobbly especially with the summoning point sort of unmoored from time and space?
 
The Clocktower being completely roasted is a real "Oh no! Anyways." moment aside from a handful of characters within it that aren't complete shitheads like Luvia, Reines, and Waver. And I guess maybe Team A given what's going on.

At least Ophelia doesn't have to deal with Surtr this time around. Probably.
 
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