Distant Stars. (a WH40K/Xianxia civ Quest).

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wait, we know of two lords, right? Fate and War.

and there's apparently another 2... and they all hate us, it seems. and they're all demons, nice to get confirmation.

And yes, we're proceeding slowly, but... well, better body, better dantian, FAR better pillars and insights... and we might still go back to improve the first two, eventually. And we have better cultivation by definition.
I already spoke in the past, the lords are likely the chaos gods or expies of them, the other two are excess/lust/obsession and entropy/disease/finding happiness in despair.

I don't think he talked about it, I think we are in Warhammer like setting, we could have chosen to become psykers, but awakened to cultivation instead.
You're missing the point. This is spreading OUR style of cultivation with other races and cultures across the galaxy.

On the one hand, this makes them better prepared for their OWN fights with the demons.

On the other hand, it means that if/when we meet with them, we won't have an advantage from our better and stronger cultivators.
The reason I am not really scared is that I assume they are going to have powerful abilities anyway, teaching them cultivation will slow down their growth, but make it more stable and stronger when they reach the same end point.

We also get a bonus to all relationships with such people.

On the other hand, we are teaching a god and likely advanced empires, it is very possible that thanks to their greater resources, they are going to outcompete or catch up to us in cultivation even with us having heaven defying talent and head start.

I wonder if the god himself can get something from cultivation without us adapting it specifically to him, our method is for mortals after all, and we know introducing divine qi add problems, we caught them early, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone who isn't heaven defying talent wouldn't have caught it and crippled himself by overdoing divine qi insights.

Thinking about it, I am now more wary of sharing, because 50 divine qi and 20% is relatively speaking a cheap price for cultivation, but I am kind of wary of his ability to just ask some of our students, or having one of his guys kidnap one of ours, if he can send spaceships our way.
 
I think this meeting also made something important clear, we probably will greatly take advantage of the contemplating divine nature, if this is the warp, we might be able to tap a massive source of energy, likewise we might be able to use the knowledge to gleam more in the Tribulation or guide our development into a more godlike nature to take greater advantage of divine qi.
 
Wait. Are we straight up in Warhammer and we just figured out a way to teach stable Psykers?
It seems to be 40k, but we might be replacing humanity (or maybe we're just another race and they're still around).

Oh, and cultivators instead (or in addition?) to psykers.

We even saw the anti-psykers before, the "wound in the world".

And the fact divine QI can straight up make us a (demi, for now)god seems to fit with 40k "the gods are created by believing in them".

@uri, I have a question. Could we propose a modified version of the "share cultivation"? Basically we DO share everything, BUT only up to the step Before the second-best (or possibly best) cultivator among the Keku.


Basically, right now we'd share everything up to end of second step.

Once Shikatu and preferably another cultivator reach the fourth step, we share everything we know of the third (well, not our specific pillars and insight, but everything else).

This way we keep an edge, basically

Would this be possible?
 
@uri, I have a question. Could we propose a modified version of the "share cultivation"? Basically we DO share everything, BUT only up to the step Before the second-best (or possibly best) cultivator among the Keku.
Seems like bad idea, because it let them catch up to us for possibly less payment, it isn't like they can't surpass us if they caught up.
 
You're probably right, I'm just curious if it's viable and at what cost.

That said, thinking we're in 40k (or something heavily inspired by it) I'm even more against sharing our cultivation, because I fear who might get it.

Orks? Humans? Necron?

What if it stacks with their special bullshit, like the Whaag!? What if cultivation goes to an already trillion-wide empire with tech level 10?

Cultivation is OUR main advantage (at least cultivation this good), and I don't want to share it with unknown races. It would be different if we at least already knew them and what they're like.

Also honestly 50 charges is just 3 decades of divine QI generation at current rates, and we know have a big reason to escalate our efforts to spread the faith.

We should use personal APs on "improve faith" actions (including the sea mining/fishing), and then spend the charges on more stuff here.
 
I don't think he talked about it, I think we are in Warhammer like setting, we could have chosen to become psykers, but awakened to cultivation instead.
ait. Are we straight up in Warhammer and we just figured out a way to teach stable Psykers?
Well, I was waiting for a more confidant conclusion about it, but this is in fact 40K, well an AU version of it at least.

And I don't mind confirming this because I think I got most of the value of this information being hidden.

how? the mental resilience insight?
The river traveling one, you haven't really explored the connection you gained but both of the insights synergized.

instead of the major god he's willing to put us in contact with for 80 charges (which I'm going to assume is probably a major allied god of his pantheon, while he's likely a relatively minor one in comparison).
He's not getting you in contact with a god but with a polity which is a major power on the galaxy scale that would be willing to help you.

I have a question. Could we propose a modified version of the "share cultivation"? Basically we DO share everything, BUT only up to the step Before the second-best (or possibly best) cultivator among the Keku.
You aren't teaching him everything about cultivation, you're teaching him how to start on the road, the rest is up to him.
 
Is there anything stopping him from just offering a deal to a different Keku if we don't share our method?
 
Pride
Finally, success.

Years of work came down to this moment.

All her calculations were perfect as far as she could tell, but they were perfect the last time as well, and her project still collapsed.

She took almost a decade finding the mistakes, looking over and parts where their theory turned out wrong, but in the end, it worked.

She signaled her subordinates to power it down.

They were all first step, and as such couldn't power the array to it's full potential, which might mean that when pushed it will collapse, but as far as she can tell, if it worked at lower output, it should work at higher output as well.

Now she only needed to send the construct for the empire to check over before they can disturbute the methods of it's construction.

At full power it would require three seconds steps to power, and while her sect could gather the resources for raising that number, that would require taking her master and sister from their own plans, and she definitely couldn't bother master.

She flew to her working room, which stood close by to the site (protected by a small hill from any potential destabilization) and started grooming her feathers in worry.

She couldn't help but preen when thinking about her sister, so proud that she successfully passed her tribulation, passing into the second step like her, but her master still worried her, she was getting closer to her own tribulation after all.

Her sect may have been the strongest of the five, if not for lord Terkahu's ascension, now, with every passing decade her master was heading closer to her own tribulation.
She knew she should be thinking of her own tribulation more, she was also getting closer after all, but since the beginning she always felt assurance in her success, and so worrying about it as long as she made the correct preparations seems pointless.

She looked at the paper in her table, something adapted by the empire a few decades back from some odd tribe far away from her mountain and thought.

Her cultivation array was a success, but she still had more ideas, more ideas than she could possibly bring into fruition, she was already hearing words of new methods of advancement.

Some imperial kid managed to make a type of pill that can heal others, distinguishing himself amongst the thousands of other cultivators.

Meanwhile, another group of disciplines, mostly imperial cultivators, successfully imitated the emperor's own insight and created spiritual cooking.

She wouldn't admit she was thankful for the combination of it and runes for allowing her to get down from the top of the mountain, a proper cultivator wouldn't care about such things after all, not beyond the fact that it helped speeding her cultivation up, if only slightly.

And while she was truly grateful for those discoveries, she knew she can't be left behind, pride might be unbecoming of her, but she couldn't help but feel competitive at the behalf of rune crafting, what started her on her path was the cultivation aid given by runes after all.

She would put more focus into her own upcoming tribulation, but she always found herself coming back to this room, writing down new ideas, new formulas.

As long as she didn't let it distract her too much, surely coming back here from time to time will pay back after all, runes already gave her more time than she lost after all, can they give her more.
 
Is there anything stopping him from just offering a deal to a different Keku if we don't share our method?
The reason you can teach him is because you've created the path and so can steer it, he'll need to find another Keku that contributed/ is powerful enough that he could steer it and there are currently no such keku.

Nice, I really do like how Haku is portrayed.

Choose 1.

[] Refine the shield array, making it better and cheaper to construct.

[] Gain a rune tech that is synergetic with the shield array.

[] Boost haku base chance at tribulation from 3% to 12%.
 
[X] Boost haku base chance at tribulation from 3% to 12%.

Giving her better odds is what I was after with this omake.

Hopefully I can get her past 50% if not to 100% eventually.
 
He's not getting you in contact with a god but with a polity which is a major power on the galaxy scale that would be willing to help you.

Oh, that makes more sense actually.

I imagine gods are not inclined to share.

I'm not sure I want that option though. Being contacted while we're still a early 1900s tech-wise...

On the one hand we could get a hell of a tech uplift package. Possibly skip from tech level 6 to... At least 12 I think.

On the other we'd be very much the weak polity there. We can offer cultivation, but that's the only thing we'd have (and we might not even be able to share that if we give it to the god first.

We'd be completely at the mercy of this new power. We could get a lot out of it, but very best case we end up being a protectorate.

IF we care about becoming our own intergalactic empire, we basically can't take this option I think.

And if we're going by 40k... I imagine the Tau are the closest thing to a good race around? I'm not much of an expert, but I vaguely remember them being the closest thing to good guys in that forsaken universe. And even they have problems, namely that they're mostly good and nice to those that follow their rules.


You aren't teaching him everything about cultivation, you're teaching him how to start on the road, the rest is up to him.

...for HIM to practice it, or for him to share it with other races? I imagine a god has no need for what we know of cultivation for himself, but if he's worshipped by other races and might want to make his followers stronger that makes sense.

Is there anything stopping him from just offering a deal to a different Keku if we don't share our method?
Honestly? I think his own nature.

He's a god of tyrants. He might not be willing to even talk to someone who does not have the power of a tyrant, which we indeed are (if an "enlightened/well meaning one, mostly).

Also the fact that we are explicitly the best cultivator with the best knowledge and understanding. If the sharing includes adapting our knowledge to a different race we might be the only ones able to do so.


The reason you can teach him is because you've created the path and so can steer it, he'll need to find another Keku that contributed/ is powerful enough that he could steer it and there are currently no such keku.
...or that.
 
If he can't do it without us, I would rather keep cultivation to ourselves for now, I wouldn't really mind sharing eventually, but currently, it is our advantage and I would rather keep it in our pocket.
And if we're going by 40k... I imagine the Tau are the closest thing to a good race around? I'm not much of an expert, but I vaguely remember them being the closest thing to good guys in that forsaken universe. And even they have problems, namely that they're mostly good and nice to those that follow their rules.
They are also really racist.
 
If he can't do it without us, I would rather keep cultivation to ourselves for now, I wouldn't really mind sharing eventually, but currently, it is our advantage and I would rather keep it in our pocket.

They are also really racist.
I think I'd be fine sharing it from a position of parity.

Sharing cultivation (in which we'd be ahead anyway at that point) in exchange for tech uplift and resources would be a good deal for everyone involved, but only if we can be confident they won't then just force us to submit by force once we've given them what they want.

Life under the Tau is, I think, mostly better than life in the Imperium of mankind, but it's still worse than life in an advanced nation today if you disagree with anything they do.

About them being racist... Aren't they basically the LEAST racist society around in 40k?


That said, it could be a "minor" race. 40k should have plenty of less explored and spoken of races, I think. And obviously it could just be an OC one.

But yeah, if we're going to share cultivation I want it to be only after we got to know those counterparts
 
About them being racist... Aren't they basically the LEAST racist society around in 40k?
Yes, because they won't attempt to outright exterminate you, in most situations.

They do sometimes engage in good old fashioned sterilization, and we can never become more than subordinate of the nearest ethereal.
 
Yes, because they won't attempt to outright exterminate you, in most situations.

They do sometimes engage in good old fashioned sterilization, and we can never become more than subordinate of the nearest ethereal.
I didn't know about the sterilisation thing. I know it's basically "their way or the highway", but that's true about literally every 40k culture, and they at least allow other people to join them before just exterminating them if they refuse.

Generally speaking this is why I'm now wary of having the god put us in contact with them.

Objectively speaking our quality of life, tech and power might raise a lot from it. But if they want us to become part of their empire, or at BEST a protectorate, we'd have no way to oppose them, and we don't know enough about their culture to see if that would be good for the Keku.

Even worse, this is a GOD OF TYRANTS. It's likely then that the race he'd put us in contact with would also be led by a tyrant, and who knows what they're like.

That said there's still a lot we can get from the mercenary board.

Tribulation aid for all champions. Tempering for all champions too, possibly. Knowledge, advancements, champions during the actual war...
 
Tribulation aid for all champions. Tempering for all champions too, possibly. Knowledge, advancements, champions during the actual war...
There are so many potential stuff to refine, I think we are going to have a lot of potential stuff to take in mind when we eventually temper ourselves.

I wonder if we can refine our talent in cultivation, or if it the highest possible/beyond heavenly help with being heaven defying.
 
I'm not sure what I want to do about the tempering tribulations.

On the one hand they're explicitly the best risk/reward ratio possible.

On the other, they're still explicitly risky.

On the other hand... They might make us more likely to survive the actual ascension tribulations by making us stronger than expected from our step. We know the severity of the Tribulation escalates with your sub-step stages, but would they keep up with extra tempering too?

In any case... Yeah, I think we should definitely go paying and getting access to the board.

Now, what should we buy to start with, and how much divine QI do we want to use?

Divine QI we take from our stores is basically free to use as we wish.

Divine charges from the empire are basically "stolen" from all other cultivators, which will slow them down a bit.

It will also be very obvious to the most worshipped ones if all divine QI just disappears.

Considering generation is still going up... I'd say to limit ourselves to not more than 50% of the empire's QI as a general rule for turn budget, unless we really need it.



This coming turn I think we should buy knowledge of the wounds in the world (3 charges), the lifespan (2 charges), tribulation aid for any of our prodigies.

Maybe the other lords just to see what they're like, and we wait a bit before buying info on the other ones?

Pyramid can wait until right after our tribulation for step 4.

Plans may of course change, especially depending on the apocalypse date
 
In any case... Yeah, I think we should definitely go paying and getting access to the board.
We should have done it even if we didn't intend to buy anything, we shouldn't spit in a god's face.
This coming turn I think we should buy knowledge of the wounds in the world (3 charges), the lifespan (2 charges), tribulation aid for any of our prodigies.
This turn, or next turn you mean, because next turn we are probably ascending, and spending a lot on tribulation head for ourselves, and for lifespan.

Uri, can we buy stuff now, would it have consequences on the experiment to have someone undergo tribulation with divine qi?
 
Uri, can we buy stuff now, would it have consequences on the experiment to have someone undergo tribulation with divine qi?
I'll give you the option to buy things every turn, the other part depends on how much divine Qi you use from the empire, use all of it and people wont get divine Qi to experiment with.
 
We should have done it even if we didn't intend to buy anything, we shouldn't spit in a god's face.
True, I agree.

Or at least not while we're STILL only a step 3, close to 4.

MAYBE we could risk it at step 7 or 8, depending on the god.

This turn, or next turn you mean, because next turn we are probably ascending, and spending a lot on tribulation head for ourselves, and for lifespan.

Uri, can we buy stuff now, would it have consequences on the experiment to have someone undergo tribulation with divine qi?
As you know I hope to take next turn for insight gathering instead of ascending. The lifespan increase makes it far more viable too.

I could live with just buying 2 extra APs with that lifespan, I suppose, though I don't like it.

The turn we ascend is definitely a turn we'll spend most if not all of the empire's divine QI on us. We after all need 10 charges for the aid.
I'll give you the option to buy things every turn, the other part depends on how much divine Qi you use from the empire, use all of it and people wont get divine Qi to experiment with.
Can you give us an idea of how divine QI is split among our cultivators? Does it go mostly to the champion units? To the 3rd steps? To the sect leaders? Do the noble cultivators get access to it?

Beside lack of experimentation should we predict other side effects?
 
Can you give us an idea of how divine QI is split among our cultivators? Does it go mostly to the champion units? To the 3rd steps? To the sect leaders? Do the noble cultivators get access to it?
It goes like this (give or take a few percentage points).

You (25%)

Your daughter (10%).

Notable units (3rtd steps, notable talents and so on (30% shared between them))

Second steps (20%).

The rest (15%).

Beside lack of experimentation should we predict other side effects?
Maybe when I stat your third steps there'll have fewer divine insights and some possibilities might be removed from the random advancement/event table but only if you constantly use it all.
 
Honestly divine QI should be near useless to first and second steps beside slowing their growth down a bit.

Body and Dantian shouldn't get any special advantage from divine QI.

So I think the lowest 35% (first+second steps) is safe to use, in addition to our personal 25%.

We should try to avoid spending more than that as a general rule. And admitted if we're using the qi of the second steps too they can't experiment with divine-fueled techniques.

For first steps it doesn't matter. I don't think they're getting enough divine QI on an individual basis to actually accomplish anything with it, except MAYBE our one notable first step talent whose apparently aiming for maxing out the body refinement step.


So, out of 16 divine charges, we can mostly safely use the 4 we get personally, and maybe another 4 or 5.

Enough for lifespan and the knowledge of the wounds in the world.

The turn after we can use more of it for the Tribulation
 
I could live with just buying 2 extra APs with that lifespan, I suppose, though I don't like it.
We also got ten extra years I think, and we can also burn stuff for divine qi, we probably want nature of godhood because it, but we can easily get a all bunch of insights.
Body and Dantian shouldn't get any special advantage from divine QI.
That speed stuff up if I remember correctly, that we use it mostly for insights doesn't mean it is the only use, don't forget we also used it to construct pillars, they probably don't get enough to truly use though, beyond for techniques.
 
That speed stuff up if I remember correctly, that we use it mostly for insights doesn't mean it is the only use, don't forget we also used it to construct pillars, they probably don't get enough to truly use though, beyond for techniques.
Yes, i meant that step 1, 2 and 3 should get nothing unique/special beside accelerated growth, outside of the divine insights.

...on a side note... Did we warn our third steps about not using more than half divine QI on a single pillar?
 
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