Distant Stars. (a WH40K/Xianxia civ Quest).

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[X] An Open Wing- awaken the pyramid and attempt negotiations. (depending on how things go either transition to diplomacy turns or to war turns).

I will throw caution at the wind, this feels like a longshot, but longshot may be what we need.
Since we seem to be in an interesting and unique situation here, I shall take a chance for the most rare futures.
Prepared technology and weapons that are incredibly difficult if not impossible to reverse engineer aside, what might be learned?
I doubt he would teach us much, but having someone that actually knows how to use the necron weapons helping us instead it taking everything that nit nailed down and using it like a caveman is very attractive.

We would have immortal army of robots prepared to assault the fortified positions underground, possibly with their own means of closing warp gates.
 
[X] An Open Wing- awaken the pyramid and attempt negotiations. (depending on how things go either transition to diplomacy turns or to war turns).
 
Kind of ironic, we took the one domain that probably wouldn't be useful here unless the situation fell through.

With the change domain we can probably explicitly make the necron "alive" granting him a soul and thus making him capable of cultivation (probably too expensive to do before the apocalypse though).

Rebirth might revive him, and perfect moment would probably work well with diplomacy.
 
Kind of ironic, we took the one domain that probably wouldn't be useful here unless the situation fell through.
I think that only the perfect moment would have been useful here but that's mostly because it's useful anywhere.

War (last stand) is all about boosting and enchaining you and your troops the more the situation resembles a last stand (it's boost varies from petty to all those civilians are now space marines) or alternately weakening enemies which are doing a last stand (which is somewhat less useful).

Change (self-change) would do little as it is primarily about changing yourself (at its most extreme it would allow you to change pillars and a core, although they would come in undeveloped) at best you might be able to utilize it to help the necron change themselves but even that's a bit reaching.

Rebirth (the first death) is about the death of the body (Ie the first death) it would certainly help you kill them (and would likely be more effective because their first death is also their final death) or stop someone (including yourself) from dying (temporarily)

Perfection (the perfect moment) would allow you to act/say just the right thing to get the outcome you want (assuming said outcome is theoretically possible).
 
[X] An Open Wing- awaken the pyramid and attempt negotiations. (depending on how things go either transition to diplomacy turns or to war turns).

It's already been said we're desperate, and with a shared enemy and no past baggage between our two races specifically, and even the chance for the necrom to gain divine support to recover their souls and/or biological bodies through a series of disciplines and fields that simply did NOt exist in the past...

Well, it's been said multiple times that Warhammer 40k is a doomed setting. But here's a chance to make it a bit brighter.

The necrons are often monsters, but they're also victims and they didn't do anything to the Keku (at least yet). So there's a chance.
 
Change (self-change) would do little as it is primarily about changing yourself (at its most extreme it would allow you to change pillars and a core, although they would come in undeveloped) at best you might be able to utilize it to help the necron change themselves but even that's a bit reaching.
Kind of curious about that pick, would it have allowed us to do stuff like make ourselves perpetuals (without harming our cultiavation), improve our future sight (say by doing stuff like how Magnus was gifted with one eye that saw the future and one that saw the past, Tzeench took the future sight one if I remember correctly), or create subparts of ourselves that can improve independently (kind of like daemons or worm shards).
 
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would it have allowed us to do stuff like make ourselves perpetuals (without harming our cultiavation),
You would use the domain of change to turn yourself into an unchanging object?

The answer to that question is pretty self-evident.
improve our future sight (say by doing stuff like how Magnus was gifted with one eye that saw the future and one that saw the past, Tzeench took the future sight one if I remember correctly),
Totally possible, it would have been by changing yourself to more effectively wield that power (by various means), there are actually mutations on that table which help there.

or create subparts of ourselves that can improve independently (kind of like daemons or worm shards).
it might have let you partition your mind but it would have still been you and the resources to maintain it would be drawn from the greater whole.

Want to have subparts that are independent's and can improve on their own? Learn how to spilt your soul.
 
[X] An Open Wing- awaken the pyramid and attempt negotiations. (depending on how things go either transition to diplomacy turns or to war turns).
 
I'm always hesitant of anything leading to lichdom or being similar to Voldemort.
Well, techniquely nascent soul can be included in that category, seeing as you have two souls both of which are fully you.

But that is made not by subtracting a greater whole but by growing a new one equal to the original. and that has great impalcetions on the outcome.
 
That's the thing.

It's not removing a piece of your soul and using it as an anchor to the world of the living it's making more "soul".

Completely different
 
I'm always hesitant of anything leading to lichdom or being similar to Voldemort.
Kuvara is probably doing it, and if she isn't, she would when she is stronger, all the chaos gods do.

Not sure we as mortals can do it to our mortal soul, but it is worth exploring once we are nascent souls, clones and similar are relatively common in the nascent realm of many xianxia.

Magnus got split into shards and it has gone really badly for him, but he also didn't exactly control the process, and some of the shards were unprotected or dying, and so he lost pieces of himself that he couldn't recover, his perspective shows the emperor offering him redemption (Vulcan claims he saw Magnus begging for it instead, but assuming it was just the emperor using illusions), which would imply he could regain his nobility the old fashioned way even if his nobility shard is destroyed.
 
so with Okertoku gone is Kuvara likely to get one turn killed next war in the warp turn? looking at her numbers compared to Tzeentch's did not look good last time we saw them.
 
so with Okertoku gone is Kuvara likely to get one turn killed next war in the warp turn? looking at her numbers compared to Tzeentch's did not look good last time we saw them.
She managed to use the help to fully fortify her position, making it her realm.

Likewise, she still has the wind domain and her avatar, which limit the amount of damage she can suffer turn.

She would probably survive at least a turn, how well she does kind of depends on how much focus the chaos gods put out, if Khorne does something like join early in retaliation for stealing a piece of his domain or if slannash abandons attacking Shitaku to focus on Kuvara (or do both).

It is possible she would die in a turn if enough force is brought against her, what going to happen with Kuvara long term is one of those things where I go, hopefully the chaos gods eventually lose interest in us once it is clear that cultiavation already got out and we aren't worth the effort.

If she start to repeatedly die, I am guessing we will be given the option to heal her.

It is possible that after the apocalypse, all of our divine qi and out people's lifespan will be tied in keeping healing her or something.

If she get's the keku domain, she would grow significantly stronger (and sapient, because she isn't truly sapient now, a god become sapient only after he has two domains), but than her death will be even more catastrophic, because the chaos gods consuming her will mean they would get the keku domain, and to imagine how bad it is, Slannash got the eldar domain.

If either Shitaku or Kuvara are about to be captured, they will hopefully be able to successfully suicide beyond recovery, because the gods getting either of us is bad.
 
Realized I forgot to close the vote, honestly, I'm not too shocked that diplomacy won talking things out is pretty much SV ideal conflict resolution when it possible.
Scheduled vote count started by uri on Dec 19, 2024 at 3:01 PM, finished with 19 posts and 6 votes.
 
Realized I forgot to close the vote, honestly, I'm not too shocked that diplomacy won talking things out is pretty much SV ideal conflict resolution when it possible.
Scheduled vote count started by uri on Dec 19, 2024 at 3:01 PM, finished with 19 posts and 6 votes.
I probably would have picked leaving it alone if there wasn't an apocalypse, but now we are in the kind of desperate situation where doing crazy stuff is out only way that might allow us to survive, normally I would never approach the necrons diplomatically when the situation is anything but us having undeniable superior might, so much that crushing them wouldn't be much effort if they turned hostile.
 
So, as I'm making the list of what you might buy, is there anything specific you might want (that a random nercron can be reasonably assumed to have?).

Currently the list is going to include weapons, some artifacts (haven't yet fully decided on which), a small number of troops and maybe help with technology.

Is there anything more? And is any specific artifact or type of artifact you might want?

Also anything you might offer (the currant list is, samples of refined retirals, pills and runes. A few of the demonic cultivators you captured/will capture, a large bulk material shipment and the eternal flame).
 
Is there anything more? And is any specific artifact or type of artifact you might want?
If he has small scale pylons to close warp gates, it would be helpful, maybe something to resist time manipulation as well.

Does he have anything that can help with slannash?

A satellite to try and get information superiority.

Edit, reading a little, interesting technologies might be gloom prism (some artifact that null warp stuff on personal scale, maybe one tuned to not effect cultiavtors if possible).
Also anything you might offer (the currant list is, samples of refined retirals, pills and runes. A few of the demonic cultivators you captured/will capture, a large bulk material shipment and the eternal flame).
Maybe blessings from Kuvara? Or the promise of ones should she survive long enough to grant good ones?

We can try reincarnate keku into necron bodies to try and grant them souls.

We can grant him access to Kuvara's domain if more hospitable warp is something he is interested in

Can we loan the eternal flame instead of selling it? I am assuming that his soldiers are also more loaned than permanently under our control.

Does the flames of desire work on him, maybe we can grant him greater emotional highs.

And is he interested in the black flames as something to destroy stuff?

We can use divine qi to refine stuff for him, or whatever imbuing divine qi in our armour will do.
 
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Tea Time.
How does one show a race of unimaginable power that is just now slowly awakening that you come in peace?

Perhaps there is more than a single answer to that question but your solution was to have tea.

Alone, you entered the pyramid and set down exactly five steps from the exist, you brought a kettle, some leaves, water sugar and two cups.

For five days you set there making and drinking tea, meditating on this and that, it was not often you managed to find a vacation in your official duties and you planned to milk it for al it was worth before the real stressful apart would begin.

While you waited in that darkened hallway the earth whispered to you of activity below you, the pyramid has begun slowly awakening, your presence promoting ancient protocols to work.

You waited, hoping you haven't made a mistake as you felt the pyramid awakening more and more, for five days you waited and the sixth a singular being came to greet you.

The bind that cam forth was large, towering over you completely, his form composed of some sort of strange silvery metal and made it no a facsimile of some sort of skeleton system.

Its movements were efficient, no energy wasted, no ticks and shuffling instinctive of living beings, with your sight you could see that it had no soul, that it had no desire within it and yet in its burning green eyes you saw intelligence… it was unnerving.

But you would persevere, gazing upon this creature that is not dead yet not alive. (+Dao fragment life (unsould)).

It uttered a single word in acold and mechanical voice "follow" before turning away and striding deeper into the pyramid.

Taking amount to gather your tea set you follow.

The creature leads you through the maze-like pathways of the pyramid, making your way without a guide would have been a difficult to almost impossible task but you're pretty sure he led you through the same corridors more then once to befuddle you even further.

Here and there you see some mechanical creature scattering away but never anything like your guide.

After what felt like hours -but realistically could only have been about thirty minutes or so- you arrived at your destination.

A large hall, filled with dozens of almost identical -but not quite- beings like your guide large red banners covered every inch of the walls and at the far end was a grand throne, towering over the entire assembly it was made from the same strange metal as the Necrons bodies were composed of.

On that throne set -silent as the grave- another Necron, his body taller and his eyes burning an even brighter green from the rest, he wore exaggerated robs of colored with some silvery hue and held a large metallic staff in his left hand. You were led to him, the gallery silent as your foot steps echoed throughout the silent hall.

When you reached the middle of the hall your guide left you, joining its brethren along the walls. Leaving you to stand there.

And stand… and stand, and stand. You felt the Necrons eyes bore into your back as you focused you gaze upon the one at the throne, you can't read him, his body is too under control and alien besides. His lack of soul makes it even more difficult. You had not realized how reliant you become on that sense, that now that you lack it you find yourself lost.

Well perhaps lost is an exaggeration, you can understand enough what they wish for you to do. You were brought before a king and they expect you to bow.

You were not opposed in principle to such an act, you have broken the control of pride long ago but acts have power, both real and ephemeral. Bowing would indicate that you are his lesser, that you are the weaker party. It would be seen as a sign of submission and that would color the negotiation.

Of course, not bowing would also color the negotiations ahead. They clearly think they are the stronger party, that they are your superiors and there's a good chance they're right but in diplomacy what's right often doesn't really matter.

What matters is what's perceived.

If you cannot be perceived as the dominant party and being perceived as the weaker one would cost too much, there remind only a single solution.

Slowly you lifted your legs off the ground, sitting on the air held aloft by Qi, you set down your tea set -also in the air- and with a simple burst of Qi instantly returned the tea to the optimum temperature.

Carefully you poured out two cups.

"Tea?" you asked, the Necron on the throne as you floated one of your cups toward him.

If you have only two options and both are unviable, flip the table and do the unexpected, the shock is almost always enough to bring things to your favor.

The Necron raised a single finger of his right hand and swiped it to the left.

'Crash'.

Both cups and your tea set were violently ripped form your control and flung at the wall, shattering on the body of one of the many silent sentinels in the room.

Pity, you quite liked that tea set.

Oh well, the information you got was worth it, you can see it. the warp might not touch the beings before you and their manipulation of realty is done by means unknown to you but their actions are yet mirrored in the warp and as the warp is both past, present and future at the same time if you watch carefully, you can see the Necron manipulation before they even attempt it.

And if you can see it, you can block it. which would be a major advantage if things came to blows.

"You intrigue me" the sudden voice cutting away the silence almost managed to startle you mostly from the surprise that the necron speaks your language.

"The energy you hold within you is something no Necron has ever seen, a manipulation of the warp so revolutionary it reeks of them, state a single reason why I shouldn't command my legions to raze your petty empire to the ground and cut you open to discover whatever secrets you form holds?"

The Necron voice was deep, mechanical and so utterly bord as it talked about the slaughter of millions, at least its conformation that Okertaku information isnt too exaggerated in the Necron case.

Still, this was not a good start, with his piece said the nercon return to silence as you completed on how to reply to the blatant threat. You have a sneaking suspicion that nothing but force would deter them form thanking what they wish and if its force they wish, it is force they will meet.

"You are welcome to try" you say calmly.

"Oh? You doubt the power of my legions? A single detachment of immortals would be more then enough to wipe you all from the face of the galaxy".

"Try then" you say simply. "But I dare say you would find as a far tougher pray then you imagine. Especially for your diminished legions".

The slightest tilt of his head, conformed what you suspected. The Necrons were weaker than they first appeared, the pyramid they called home damaged and empty.

They tired to hid it form you, leading you in loops and allowing you to catch hints of activity here and there to ensure that you didn't see that this place was emptier than it should have been and that they were frantically working on repairs.

Idlily, you wonder how many of their defenses were actually working before chasing the thought away, the external defense would have been on the first things they would have fixed.

"What it is that you want, what have you came here for?" changing the subject was a silent admission that you won that particular bout but that was no excuse to get sloppy.

"I cam here seeking coordination against a common foe" you say.

"A common foe you say" the Necron pausing for a moment as if in thought "what possible enemy do you posses that would be able to threaten me?"

"The four"

"The four?"

That… that was a question. Did they not know of the four? you suppose they have slept from a long time, perhaps they came form a time before the four ever existed -as much as such is hard to wrap your head around.

"The four great gods of chaos, they are the prominent force within the warp" you explain and it seemed that your words provided an epiphany as the Necron seemed to realize who it is your talking about.

"The four parasites? I did wonder why their essence and influence was so prevalent within the warp, to think things changed so much but I don't see what it has to do with me."

"In but a few short decades they will invade this world" you reply.

"Divination?" for the first time the Necron voice seem to hold anything else other then boredom in its tone "it matters not, in but a few short years we will be gone, returning to our journey".

They are leaving? How? no that doesn't matter, you assumed they would stay and be in the path of the invasion which would give you an in to cooperate and trade but if they are leaving you just lost most of your leverage.

"But you're interesting enough and I don't want to stay on this dust ball anymore then I have too, so let's talk".


Throughout long and difficult negotiations Shiaktu has managed to bring the Necrons to the table, the starting balance is -1 for a deal to be struck this balance must be brought to 0 or higher.

If a deal isn't struck (I.E the balance remains at -1) expect battle, if the balance is at 0 the Necrons may renege on their deal in whole or in part (depends on what you buy from them), bringing the balance to +1 means there is no chance of the above form happening.

I am of course open to suggestions on what you might offer (or buy) but currently:

What you can offer

[] Raw Materials (+1) (can be taken up to 5 times)-
the pyramid is damaged and the Nercons stores of materials is running low, they could dispatch units to gather the needed materials on their own but such would divert them from other purists and delay their journey so they are willing to pay for you to deliver the needed materials in bulk. -1000 EFEP for every time its chosen.

[] pills, runes and artifacts (+1)- the Nercon are willing to buy a sample of your cultivator creation, mostly out of interest then any actual use. Consume a small portion of your pill capacity and some of the runic institution time.

[] the demonic (+1)-
the Necrons are interested in cultivation and are willing to buy "examples" of the process from you, those examples are likely to be dissected so you can only justify giving them the demonic cultivators you still have prisoner (and those you'll capture),the only real downside is that you wont be able to use them yourself. -demonic cultivators for the turn.

[] The Eternal flame (+2)- the eternal flame is a unique and powerful treasure, it abilty to let all see the future through it is something deeply wanted by the Necrons and they are willing to pay heftily for it. lose the eternal flame.

[] the clear eye (+1) (may be taken up to 3 times)-
long have the Necrons slumbered and the galxey is drastically changed form their time, share what you know and offer your divination help to bring them up to speed on the basic state of the galaxy. -1 AP (taken form next turn).

What they offer.

[] Weapons (-1) (can be taken unlimited times)-
the basic Necron weaponry is devastatingly effective and they offer you enough to equip a thousand Keku, in particular they offer Gauss Flayer's a weapon that disintegrate whatever it hits. Equipping your troops with such weapons would increase their offensive potential massively.

[] command nod (-3)- for a hefty the necrons can be convinced to leave behind a single command nod and a small assortment of troops to help with the coming invasion. Gain: 1 immortal unit and 2 Necron warrior units.

-[] more warriors (-1) (can be taken up to 5 times)- For extra payments the Necorns can be convinced to part with more of their basic forces. Gain 2 more units of Necron warriors.

-[] more immortals (-2) can be taken up to 2 times)-
the same is true for their immortals. Gain 1 more unit of immortals.

-[] the grand immortal (-3)-
for a big payment, the necron would even leave one of their more experienced immortals to commend the forces. Gain a champion immortal to commend the Necron forces. he is roughly equal to champion space marines.

-[] doomsday (-3)-
or they could be convinced to part with a single doomsday ark, those powerful engines of war each capable of shattering armies. +1 doomsday ark.

[] an artifact (-2) may be taken up to 2 times) -
the Necrons treasury are filled with powerful and almost unique artifacts and they are willing to trade some of them to you. an artifact (which one would be decided later and probably by write in, ask if you want o know if you can get something specific).

[] warp stabilizer (-5)- thanks to masterful diplomacy you managed to convince the necron to part with one if their limited warp stabilizers, this pylon when activated would stabilize the warp around the plant and harden the vial between realties, this would make it harder to open gateways and reduce the overall number of tears opened during the invasion. +pylon of warp stabilization.

[] Expertise (-1/-3/-5/-7)-
the necrons are masters of the physical world and they are willing to teach you the smallest of secrets in return for your aid. Gain 1/2/3/4 tech levels.

Alternatives

[] Betrayal (sudden)-
surrounded you may be but the lord of this construct is right in front of you, and he underestimates you. move before they can react and let the black flames consume him. Without him the pyramid defense would be weakened and you'll have an easier time conquering it. Of course, after you'll kill the lord you'll still need to survive the ensuring brawl and make your out of the pyramid so you army could act which would be dangerous but you think its possible for you. Start a battle.

[] Betrayal (hidden words)-
you'll make a deal; you'll gain their weapons and then you'll turn around and use them to get the rest of the spoils. Make a deal normally and then start a battle for the pyramid where you now posses the items you traded for, of course don't trade for troops if you plan this as they would fight against you.




I'm going to put a 6 hours moratorium in place to let discussion happen as this is important.
 
how much does a single tech level help us? we can get 4 of them for some economic power, pill capacity and demonic cultivators, with 2ap of divination help to make sure they follow through.
 
how much does a single tech level help us? we can get 4 of them for some economic power, pill capacity and demonic cultivators, with 2ap of divination help to make sure they follow through.
Tech level is not that useful really, we already got more than we will be able to complete in time.

@uri, how do the eternal flames effect the clear eye, can we pick three and use just 2 aps?

As for deal

[] pills, runes and artifacts (+1)- the Nercon are willing to buy a sample of your cultivator creation, mostly out of interest then any actual use. Consume a small portion of your pill capacity and some of the runic institution time.
[] the demonic (+1)- the Necrons are interested in cultivation and are willing to buy "examples" of the process from you, those examples are likely to be dissected so you can only justify giving them the demonic cultivators you still have prisoner (and those you'll capture),the only real downside is that you wont be able to use them yourself. -demonic cultivators for the turn.
[] the clear eye (+1) (may be taken up to 3 times)- long have the Necrons slumbered and the galxey is drastically changed form their time, share what you know and offer your divination help to bring them up to speed on the basic state of the galaxy. -1 AP (taken form next turn). X3
[] Raw Materials (+1) (can be taken up to 5 times)- the pyramid is damaged and the Nercons stores of materials is running low, they could dispatch units to gather the needed materials on their own but such would divert them from other purists and delay their journey so they are willing to pay for you to deliver the needed materials in bulk. -1000 EFEP for every time its chosen. X2

[] warp stabilizer (-5)- thanks to masterful diplomacy you managed to convince the necron to part with one if their limited warp stabilizers, this pylon when activated would stabilize the warp around the plant and harden the vial between realties, this would make it harder to open gateways and reduce the overall number of tears opened during the invasion. +pylon of warp stabilization.


That I think is the best deal we can get, potentially we can sell more raw materials, and buy weaponry too... But do we wish to re-engage on the deal or not?

The offers are nice, I am not sure we could have used a pylon without their instructions, maybe approaching them was wrong, because their help is incredibly expensive, we could potentially get their artifacts and another fourth step if we successfully betrayed them.

And while I will normally be very leery of betraying people, especially as it might make us enemies with future necrons, our race is at stake, having a new enemy tomorrow is not necessarily as bad as not having the artifacts now.
 
fighting the necrons immediately before we have to fight the chaos invasion is a bad idea. they could inflict significant attrition on our cultivators.
 
fighting the necrons immediately before we have to fight the chaos invasion is a bad idea. they could inflict significant attrition on our cultivators.
True, with their weapons we could do a lot, but a few more artifacts aren't necessarily as useful as the countless people we will lose, than again, can we activate the pylons without them? A few more pylons may be worth the risk.

That said, another benefit of letting them leave is that demonic cultiavtors basically act as a massive beacon for chaos, chaos doesn't know cultiavation got away yet, this would practically be telling them that cultiavtors are leaving and it is going to spread, without revealing the actual spread, they would need to spread themselves out to stop the leak.

They can't be sure the necrons wouldn't have the demonic cultiavtors teach others.

Especially if we deliberately sold them mostly awakening pills...


Necrons may develop anti qi technology in the future though, but if a few pills and cultiavtors is enough to do so, it is only a matter of time if hostilities broke out anyway.

If we can get their champion to stick, we can potentially extend relations long term and create bad blood between this lord and the four.


How much is 1000 eec anyway, how much is the asteroid mining expected to provide, because when we were preindustrial society, a 250 would burden us, but we grew a lot since.
 
@uri, how do the eternal flames effect the clear eye, can we pick three and use just 2 aps?
If you use the action it gives for it the sure.

How much is 1000 eec anyway, how much is the asteroid mining expected to provide, because when we were preindustrial society, a 250 would burden us, but we grew a lot since.
The asteroid mining isn't going to give a lot, its more that its going to make other projects cheaper/better as rare materials aren't as rare anymore.

BTW if you take that option more then twice I'm going to take that as a vote to increase tax's as you cant pay for it with your current level (which is low) without going into the negatives.
 
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