Distant Stars. (a WH40K/Xianxia civ Quest).

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Large scale monitoring of the cities established; initial discoveries are worrying to say the least. Privacy issues. vote to come
the fuck.

I expected this to find out stuff, but more than 100 demonic cultivators, more than 1000 collaborators, and a cannibal butcher ring?!

yeah, this was necessary, and we'll have to find a way to satisfy people about the privacy concerns, because we can't afford NOT to use this.

Something about minor crimes discovered through the cameras being only very lightly punished or even forgiven if rectified, vetting who has access to what, maybe make it so that the recordings of people in a city can only be seen by complete strangers NOT living in that same city? I don't know, but we can't afford to worry about privacy when there was KEKU BUTCHERS going around!

Gain the extensive education trait and gain educated Populace IV. Kkeu culture swings toward curiosity and knowledge seeking.
very good!

Hopefully this curiosity will survive the Apocalypse.

+50 EEP. Medium logistics network increases to large. +150% economic growth, +10% EEP. maintenance 100 EFEP.
Good. we'll need to find out ways to protect at least the main lines during the invasion though.

-[X] military refitting.

Instead of fully replacing the factories you've just created, you have decided to just build new ones and let the old ones supply second line units.

The equipment being produced isn't too far behind and you've got many troops you need to equip.

Better an outdated gun then no gun at all.

Factories of war updated: +3 artillery army worth per turn, +7 army point converted to mechanized per turn. Some tech production, some jets production (exact amount will be determined in a vote later on). Technology for army points is set to 8. +3 army points converted to mechanized at tech 7 (used for garrison first and then civilians) starts to solve the lack of equipment of civilians units) Avert many negative events.
Yeah, that was kind of my thought.

Even outdated equipment can at least be given to garrison and militia units while the state-of-the-art is given to those that will actually go on the offensive.

It also allows for more training, as older stuff can be used without much worry in live-fire exercises and tests.

Workers retrained (mostly) no loss of economic power.
good enough.

Cities expand. Problem solved.
good.

and yeah, if we have good and fast rail then commuting is actually viable. The fact most Keku can easily fly also helps reducing the need for public transport in the short range (not as much need for in-city buses, for example, unless you're carrying heavy stuff with you).

You do what you can but there is little more that can be done other then teach them new skills and many are too old to wish to change.

+0.5 tech multiplayer. Gain the problem "obsolete purpose" the exact details of which will be determined in a vote before the start of next turn.
it's unavoidable.

In the end We can offer them some options though

1)They can devote themselves more to prayers, or to grow spiritual herbs. Stuff that only requires faith and conviction, not actual skill.
2)We can offer them paid courses to try and move to open job slots
3)We should seriously consider some kind of Universal Basic Income, something that will allow people to at least survive without a job
4)There's also other types of "unskilled" services they could offer. Anyone can learn how to babysit, or to carry packages, and so on. Even just help their family with chores and so on, freeing their time

and so on.

Even if some people lose their job, that's because their jobs are just no longer valuable. Which means that society at large is better off, and we CAN afford something like UBI or subsidies so they can live an acceptable life anyway, and find another path for themselves on their own.

Kuvara gains more faith, all of her actions this turn are enhanced, your share of the divine Qi lower by 0.5%, your cultivators share of the divine Qi lowers by 0.5%.
all good here.

+Lords lore (assume you know anything common and anything the imperium at large knows), increased effectiveness in rooting out plots, a banishment technique, the ability to attempt banishment rituals.
This works really well with the Hunter project.

Spirit fertilizer- by utilizing a large amount of low rank herbs the growth of higher-grade ones can be eased and boosted. -25% G1 ingredients, +10% G2 ingredients. +1% G3 ingredients.
Something we'll probably want to work on, and this makes the expansion of MORTAL production of G1 herbs that much more useful.

As a side note, low-skill cultivators (the ones we hope to get from mass army awakenings, that wouldn't really be expected to reach step 2) will be expanded significantly soon, and they can be used to produce more herbs if/when they decide to leave active army duty.

You've unlocked formations and discovered one grand formation and one choir formation (which was boosted by your interactions with Okertaku) additionally you have refined the grand formation you accidently discovered in the last demonic incursion. Grand formations are formations that at minimum require hundreds of cultivators (or more correctly 1 full unit of cultivator) to function.

Grand formations:

The emperor's generosity formation (refined)-
this formation allows the sharing of Qi (and other resources at heavily reduced efficiency) between its participants and pulling it all together for one massive technique. Soft cap (going over reduces efficiency): 2 units. Efficiency: 60%. Effect: Slight combat boost for cultivator units, tactical and strategic option for Qi sharing.

The hurricane strength formation- the first steps posse very little Qi to utilize on external techniques and so they have focused on empowering the self. This formation pools their power to great, great but temporary power. Soft cap: 1 unit. Efficiency: 90%. Effect: massive combat strength increases for first step units for a battle, when the battle ends unit suffers the Qi drained modifier.

Choir formations:

Enlightenment of the breeze formation-
for but a moment the wilders of this formation may share a single insight between themselves. Difficulty: hard. Soft cap (the soft cap here refers to increase difficulty: 2 champions.

nothing new, we already knew. Good starting point, we need to work on life sharing.

You have unlocked your first two meridians, the twelve meridians give the three following bonuses in order Qi capacity increase, Qi regeneration increase and a 5% cultivation discount. Each of the bonuses is given 4 times over the entire 12 meridians.

There may be other benefits to opening the meridians you don't know about yet.
If we can afford it I'd like to open one more. Seeing how there's basically 4 cycles, I suspect there might be an extra benefit from each "complete" cycle, and maybe something more on completing all 4 cycles together (12 meridians).

We probably can't afford to open more than another single meridian though, Divine Qi is a precious resource and Okertatu has more urgently needed stuff on sale.

Unlock gas and solid form of Qi, each form brings unique advantages and draw back to Qi use. Unlock the cultivation project "achieve supercritical" to transform you Qi into a supercritical form which possess enhanced advantages of the gas form with none of the draw backs.

Qi transforming pill
- cost per charge: 500 EFEP. 3 charge of G1 herbs,1 charge of G2 herbs. craft per charge: 50 capacity. effect: start the transformation process to super critical Qi. Toxicity: 5.
The blurb mentioned changing the Qi "in our Core".

Does that mean this pill is only of use to a Fourth Step?

The first -and most obvious- is your healing insight. You have described the tears as wounds in the world before and you smacked yourself of not thinking to try to heal it with your insight before.

Some testing has shown you were correct and that you could heal the world -you've burnt down a forest and then healed it, restoring it- the actual cost to utilize the insight for this purpose would only be found when you stand in form of one such tear.

You doubt you'll manage to close all the tears such but even one can be more then worthwhile.
extremely valuable. Our Healing requires both lifespan and divine qi, right? Then we now have one more reason to gather stores of both.

The second way is Kuvara, her avatar allows her to channel her power in the physical realm and Okertaku has taught her how to utilize it to close the tears. This dos requires her avatar to be present at the breach and concentrate on this act but it is swifter than a qi technique and only require kuvara avatar instead of thousands of cultivators.

Very valuable, yes.

Another potential lead is a fang shui pattern which would draw the energy which the breaches release and turn it into healing them instead.

At this point the above is nothing but a lead, the pattern would need to be developed and even if it works (and it might not) it would be a slow if a wide method to deal with the breaches.

Good if we expect the Apocalypse to last for long enough to matter. If we are stuck on the defensive and can't manage to go on the offense, for example, it turns a losing proposition in a "just survive until this cuts off enemy reinforcements AND retreat option"

You have also theorized that you can craft a beacon which will close a breach instantly from one of the high-grade materials you can convert the drop of blood to.

Unfortunately, this beacon would need to remain in place to keep the breach closed and as such would both need protecting and would only be sufficient for one breach.

near certainly a waste.

You have found out that 40 points of greater demons would participate in the apocalypse, they are divided equally between the four gods and average 500 BP (I'm still working on the new combat system so for now I'm using the old one statistics to help describe things).

Further you have found that three legions would take part as well, they would be led by Perturabo and Magnus the Red (not that you have any idea who those guys are IC).

so the 40 points of greater demons are more or less equivalent to our 3 points of first step cultivators reinforced by one point of second steps?

In other words, they're stronger than our first steps, but not overwhelmingly so. We can make up the difference.

The problem are the CHAOS MARINES. Against them, sending anything weaker than second and third steps (or at least first steps heavily augmented with such AND Blanks) will be suicide.

Tech level advances to 8 (2/27 to 9) the third secret of the sword is discovered. Cheap Reusable landing gear advancement (major)- lowers cost of all space projects.
were we not going to reach tech level 9 this turn?

Cultivator reports.

This past decade six hundred and twenty cultivators have been awakened, three hundred and twenty five form pills.

The worst of the bunch have been seconded to the military to start awakening soldiers whose talent is deficient to enter the sect in truth.

This decade two hundred and sixty four first steps have braved the tribulation of them eleven have broken through.

Utilizing volunteers, 4 new third steps have arisen. To your surprise one of the volunteers has managed to survive the tribulation.

And its wounds.

And many other wounds beside when you got to tasting things.

You have no idea what you stumbled upon but you're intrigued.

A net gain of 355 new first steps.

A net gain of 11 new second steps.
+ 4 third steps.

Found ???
Good on first steps, VERY good on second and third steps...

...and something interesting for the surviving volunteer!

We definitely need to use the core insight to examine the survivor, and potentially our healing insight to help them recover.

The army: you have seconded the worst of your new batch of cultivator into the army to start awakening those wo fight but aren't suited to push for advancement. current estimations are that assuming the army doesn't expand beyond its current scope it would take an upward of a thousand years to awaken everyone even going for worse but quicker ways, this is less a matter of ability and more a matter that you don't have enough teachers for this.

Maybe we can consider giving the "reach peak of body tempering" pills to at least those keku awakened soldiers of officer rank? Make it more likely they survive.

The problem is the cost, 500.

We can afford it, but it may be a Shitaku only thing, by comparison, it is much less than before, but before we also weren't building up extra quickly.
At least Shikatu and Kekita if we can afford it. If we can manage another few third steps, good, if not we'll live.

Sure, your second gauss is pretty much correct, it's a little different then pure canon but along the same lines.
A KEKU PERPETUAL?

That's huge!

We need to study him with our core insight, and... maybe we can try to replicate that with gene editing and our core insight for mutations?

Pretty cool, does he want to be cultivator? Kind of curious if ignoring any risks and wounds to the body can let you cultivate faster.
In theory it should make it trivial to reach the second step, at least. It means we could give him the "reach peak of body step" pill, then have him continue up to Heaven Body, and the tribulation should be trivial as it ONLY attacks the body.

Second Step also attacks your pillar/mind, so that's not as good.

Looking at list of things to scan next turn with our insight.

Tribulation (we finally heal).
The flames of desire.
Heart flames of divine consumption.
This perpetual.
The power of blood.

And the final one is probably going to be either divine meal if we get the special one, or the insights research if we get that one, if we had leftovers, probably look at formations to refine them, or look at any new actions our previous scanned unlocked, and there is of course, our second insight if we start perfecting the body.
Tribulation to second AND to third step, and maybe the process of awakening to the first step from being a mortal? They're technically three different things.

The Perpetual is DEFINITELY on that list too, yes, as is "demonic cultivation/life energy manipulation".

Maybe we want to check Kuvara-blessed half-steps after we go for that? or the "spiritual herbs fertilizer"?

The Formations while active? The now open meridians (compare to closed ones)?

the supercritical Qi once we get it (we already count as having checked gas and solid qi, right?)

I wonder how pissed would the chaos gods be if we successfully replicated the perpetual's power and became immortal, I doubt we can do it, definitely not in the short time we have (I suspect a power like that is more nascent soul at minimum), and they would probably still be able to kill us if they tried hard enough, but it's kind of funny to imagine their rage if their invasion literally couldn't kill us, and the most they could do is kill everyone around Shitaku.
It might be possible with a lucky Mutation from the Core Insight, maybe. Especially if we actually understand the process.

We'll see.
 
Haku, learning Soul surgery ethically.
She was setting up her new equipment.

Quite a bit far from the city, this used to be a solar research station for developing and using solar panels, it's owner was bankrupt I'm the recent decade and he was forced to sell it.

Which she was happy with, it was closer to the city than any other similar facility, which made going here easier.

It took her a few months to correctly modify the panels and adapt new technologies, but eventually she did it, a station to focus moonlight, and keep some of the more sensitive research away from populated places.

In the last decade she had pushed herself harder than ever before, breaking any records that excluded the emperor.

True, a large part of it had been the advancement in the heavenly sciences, a combination of runes and spiritual food almost doubling the normal speed.

But still, she felt her completed fifth pillar and was satisfied.

Of all her pillars, this was perhaps the most difficult one.

Not the most complex, this title she would give to her yin pillar, but she had been meditating on and studying yin since she started cultivating, the comprehension came easily to her.

The other pillars had their own steps, runes she had been dedicating herself to for decades, having become the most skilled rune master in the empire long ago.

The Earth was mostly made possible by the quick advancement of mortals and the deals with Okerteru, she knew there were no chances of her gathering the required comprehension if not for the all that work.

Sufficient understanding of how reality worked was required to achieve it, even if they were just barely tapping the true secrets of the cosmos, at the restricted area 51 proved.

Next came death, which while difficult in theory, was one of the most well studied concepts amongst cultivators, ever since Shitaku put his own thoughts on paper.

Of course, it wasn't enough to make proper death techniques for most, the knowledge was mostly theoretical, musings on the dao, but she had successfully managed to bring some of that theory together, enough to make her own insight and pillar about the subject.

But spirit… there was a slight distinction between the spirit and soul, but that distinction was minute, more about connotation and concepts than reality.

She pulled out the Akerktu scalpel from her runic box, where it floated on slight divine wind.

It's black blade and silvery handle glowed with power a mortal wouldn't perceive.

That was perhaps her most valuable tool right now, and making it with her grandmaster help was a challenge she truly enjoyed.

Refined materials were much greater than she envisioned, much more valuable and expansive both, so much that she abandoned her battery this decade.

She spent her research on the exploration of divine qi.

Together with Grandmaster research about the states of qi...

The muffled scream from the room next to her distracted her a little but she ignored it.

No heavenly science has advanced as much as material science, and her enlightenment on the subject was rewarded with moonlight made real, she couldn't truly afford to make her qi achieve a supercritical stage, but that form didn't truly feel like yin, no, solid was more fitting, slow to move or change, passive, but just like gas, it had it's own weakness, and a lack of control was crippling for advancement in the third step..

She wondered if one day she can make her qi like the moonlight she condensed, or something odder still, something that fit her perfectly.

But as she looked at the blade, she had to admit, there were uses for solids, they were much easier to physically work with.

"Is it done" she asked, and the keku in the room bowed "the blanks are saying they almost finished, lord Maktu says we can soon begin with the experiments", the assistant's words took a distasteful tone when she said blanks, but that was to be expected, most mortals at least disliked them.

She nodded about the news, that was good, they needed to drain the demonic cultivators of as much qi as possible before they can start, and currently, their best bet was simply putting a lot of blanks in the room with them, if nothing else, it gave the blanks some experience working their powers, as much as they could at least.

She looked through the glass to see the traitor struggling to get away from it's bonds, they always get like it after a few hours next to a blank.

It was not long before she walked to the room, more keku entered with her, Maktu's own insight about weakening the lords' effects could be useful, as well as his skill with alchemy and healing arts.

Rekuku was a new addition to the third steps, but he was one of their experts about formations, even if he wouldn't do much, he asked to observe.

She nodded to Maktu and he got closer to the demonic cultivator, checking his body for any damage from blank exposure.

Late first step, his eyes were wide and blood shot, red with rage, but there was a hint of fear too.

And she started checking him too, and talking.

"The soul was perhaps one of theost blatant examples in nature about the yin within the yang, for despite being of the nature of the heavens, it was still the spirit that was aligned with yin, and the body, which was within the Earth, that was aligned with yang."

She explained, much to his confusion.

"All cultivators had some familiarity with the soul, but to truly understand it, one need to go deeper."

His eyes lacked understanding at her words, but it was fine, he would understand soon.

"You know second steps in the empire have their own language" his looked even more confused at the change in subject.

She nodded, happy to explain "it's our minds, they move they move too fast for regular language to allow proper communication."

She looked at his soul, not directly of course, but the right tools and techniques could allow one to touch it indirectly, at the hand of a skilled cultivator "it's a technique to convey information in a way more like a computer, this is part of why the emperor can teach entire organisations with fraction of his time."

He hissed when she touched the meridians and she noted it for later "I never got the opportunity to have direct lessons under him, but even brief conversations could convey a lot, give one pointers, combined with written knowledge and well."

She moved and nodded for Maktu "soul surgery was a difficult skill to start on, but your kind don't really need your souls do you? They will go to the lords anyway, where they will use you against your people, so it isn't like we need to be too careful about them, it is much easier to study surgery on the subject doesn't need to survive".

The formation activated and and insight was shared, an insight to reject the chaos gods' influence.

She knew from prior experiments that his very soul would be shook, too weak to properly take an insight, but this is the most effective way they have found to properly sterilize demonic cultivators' souls to make the next steps not as dangerous.

He cried tears of blood, unusual she noted, that doesn't fit with any physical damage he should have.

She nodded for their fourth member, a second step, and another formation activated, shoving solid qi in the demonic cultivator's body.

"It was theorized that pillars may be extracted from a third step soul to be turned into artifacts" now was her turn, she took the soul scalpel, and very carefully, made a cut, carful to not ignite him in the black flames, a very temperal beast, this tool was.

The demonic cultivator tried to scream again, she kind of disliked inflicting pain like that, but intent was an important part of qi, for this experiment, she needed to explain what she was doing to him, the blanks already did their part, now she did her's.

And so, she continued talking "your dantian might not be enlarged but it is closer than anything else we have to pillars" another snip.

"Your body is likewise refined, and might serve as good material for future runes, we couldn't know for sure until we checked".

"you are probably curious about the qi transfer" he didn't seem very curious, even as he listened.

"Your leader, someone close to the peak of the second step, I was curious if I could push him over the edge" slowly, she tried to remove the dantian without killing him, but she was happy to note he was still trying to listen, a blessing of his lords perhaps, a high resistance to pain?

"I am not sure if I can force him to go through tribulation, but I am truly curious what will happen if I shared enough of my understanding of the dao with him, can I force him to raise a pillar aligned with my dao, would his gods strike him down?" she motioned for for a healer to help stabilize him again.

"The solid qi is part of the design I was playing with, solid qi is much better for some artifacts" she started losing him, he was dying on the bed.

Much faster than she had hoped, but better than the last one.

Well, now was the time to see if anything could be salvaged from the body, she was helpful she can stabilize the dantian to a useful form this time, but she still had a few more first steps before she needed to tap the more valuable and significantly rarer second steps.
 
Does that mean this pill is only of use to a Fourth Step?
It can be done for anyone who has a dantian. It just mentions the core because that is where you store your Qi and its you who is researching it.

were we not going to reach tech level 9 this turn?
Whoops that should be 9. I'll fix it later.

She was setting up her new equipment.
Ahh the smell of crimes, truly how can WH be anything without it/s

Anyhow.

[] Haku will gain another insight for a pillar of your choice.

[] gain a pill recopied using cultivator dantians.

[] gain runic tools for spiritual surgery.
 
A KEKU PERPETUAL?

That's huge!

We need to study him with our core insight, and... maybe we can try to replicate that with gene editing and our core insight for mutations?
Perpetuals (or at least some perpetuals) can survive their body disintegrating, this one seemingly survived the mind shattering power of the second tribulation, it likely points at innate true regeneration, probably above anything biological, probably above our future sight.
Maybe we want to check Kuvara-blessed half-steps after we go for that? or the "spiritual herbs fertilizer"?
We can't see divine qi, so I will look at everything else before looking at divine qi based stuff.

Spiritual herb fertilizer seem to just be herbs, our insight is bad at intent stuff, so I am not sure about it, we have a bunch of more reliable stuff to look at.
The Perpetual is DEFINITELY on that list too, yes, as is "demonic cultivation/life energy manipulation".
We tried, couldn't convince anyone to do it, this is more for strengthening the research if we do do it.
The Formations while active? The now open meridians (compare to closed ones)?
Good once about open vs closed meridian, formations I think we need a specific formation, and if we do it, better wait until we have life formation, especially considering the other competitors.
Second Step also attacks your pillar/mind, so that's not as good.
He already survived it as a mortal, curious if it would benefit him, like giving him really good foundation.
Maybe we can consider giving the "reach peak of body tempering" pills to at least those keku awakened soldiers of officer rank? Make it more likely they survive.
If we have the pills, we are better off giving them to our good cultivators.
[] gain a pill recopied using cultivator dantians
What does this mean?
 
expected this to find out stuff, but more than 100 demonic cultivators, more than 1000 collaborators, and a cannibal butcher ring?!
I very much expected it after the warehouse debacle, this is why I pushed so hard for this.
We should seriously consider some kind of Universal Basic Income, something that will allow people to at least survive without a job
Can we afford it? All of society suffers from how fast we push them.
The problem are the CHAOS MARINES. Against them, sending anything weaker than second and third steps (or at least first steps heavily augmented with such AND Blanks) will be suicide.
Not necessarily, they can die to mortals, they will just kill a lot of them first.
It's a recipe that one of the ingredients to craft is cultivator dantians, I wont tell you the effect but they would be more powerful then regular pills.
Wondering between it and the runic tools, but let's go with it.
 
Perpetuals (or at least some perpetuals) can survive their body disintegrating, this one seemingly survived the mind shattering power of the second tribulation, it likely points at innate true regeneration, probably above anything biological, probably above our future sight.
From what I remember it WAS possible to turn normal people into Perpetuals, though it's something that happened fairly rarely.

I suppose it would require extremely advanced technology, or Nascent Soul powers then. but our mutation insight might help achieve a lesser version at least.

I'm wondering, though... Did the tribulation TURN THEM into a Perpetual, or were they a Perpetual all along? Because the second ones sounds extremely unlikely.

It's 4 random Keku, only thing in common being that one of their relatives had high psyker potential (as they reached the peak of the second step).

That we'd get a Perpetual out of them... it seems very unlikely. And wouldn't they have been scouted for cultivation potential too, or are Perpetuals not always Psykers?

If we have the pills, we are better off giving them to our good cultivators.
out of 20 peak first steps, 19 or more die in the tribulation.

which means that basically 19 of those pills are wasted.

On the other end, if we boost a Keku general we make them less vulnerable to assassination or being killed in general, which in theory helps the army as it's less likely that the chain of command will be broken.

I'm thinking that giving such pills to the highest ranked army officers could be worth it just because of that, unless an actual "Imperial Sect" cultivator is already leading them.
 
"You know second steps in the empire have their own language" his looked even more confused at the change in subject.

She nodded, happy to explain "it's our minds, they move they move too fast for regular language to allow proper communication."

that makes a lot of sense. It also makes me wonder if there would be a "Third Steps only" language, though.

Probably too few for it to be relevant, at least for now

She moved and nodded for Maktu "soul surgery was a difficult skill to start on, but your kind don't really need your souls do you? They will go to the lords anyway, where they will use you against your people, so it isn't like we need to be too careful about them, it is much easier to study surgery on the subject doesn't need to survive".

very true. They made their choice, their souls are damned, and even after death they'll likely be used against us.

So why bother sparing them? MAYBE if one of them TRULY repented and we had a way to remove the "taint", but I doubt that's possible, and we could never trust them.

At best a TRULY repentant demonic cultivator could hope we just shatter their cultivation and condemn them to life as a mortal. That's quite literally the most merciful we could ever afford to be, I think.

"Your leader, someone close to the peak of the second step, I was curious if I could push him over the edge" slowly, she tried to remove the dantian without killing him, but she was happy to note he was still trying to listen, a blessing of his lords perhaps, a high resistance to pain?

"I am not sure if I can force him to go through tribulation, but I am truly curious what will happen if I shared enough of my understanding of the dao with him, can I force him to raise a pillar aligned with my dao, would his gods strike him down?" she motioned for for a healer to help stabilize him again.
intriguing possibilities.

Ahh the smell of crimes, truly how can WH be anything without it/s

Anyhow.

[] Haku will gain another insight for a pillar of your choice.

[] gain a pill recopied using cultivator dantians.

[] gain runic tools for spiritual surgery.
Uri, You got it all wrong.

We're the Emperor. By definition, we and anyone following our orders can't commit crimes!

for the second reward, is it possible to remove the Dantian from a recently dead cultivator? I ask in case we can basically go the "dantian donation after death" route, for those cultivators dying of old age (or if somehow the Dantian survives a failed tribulation).

This will become even more relevant for those "army" cultivators who are unlikely to ever even TRY to reach the second step.
 
for the second reward, is it possible to remove the Dantian from a recently dead cultivator? I ask in case we can basically go the "dantian donation after death" route, for those cultivators dying of old age (or if somehow the Dantian survives a failed tribulation).
If you get to it fast enough, then yes.
 
but I doubt that's possible, and we could never trust them.
We saw heart demons, imagine filling yourself with those, we don't even know what major owns can do.

Leaving chaos after you are in too deep is practically a legendary feat.
At best a TRULY repentant demonic cultivator could hope we just shatter their cultivation and condemn them to life as a mortal. That's quite literally the most merciful we could ever afford to be, I think.
I doubt it, without a way to cleanse him, you just released someone who would soon become the worst example of a human possible, removing their cultivation make them non threatening, it doesn't make them less demons.

And the gods may restore it anyway, as far as I am concerned, every demonic cultivation would preferably be burned by the black flames or have their soul destroyed in some way to hold that resource from chaos, and they can not be trusted to live a normal life.
intriguing possibilities.
My idea was basically a repeated use of the formation, giving him her dao insight again and again until he properly get's it, finding some way to push him and hope he still registers as demonic to the heavens (maybe a pill can trigger the tribulation, pills can cultivate for you), because I doubt he would be in state to survive, try to get him to use the dao fragment to give meaning to the pillar (maybe some form of lobotomy, to leave the dao fragment as the only thing he can grant it) and than rip it out.
 
The pill I picked, how does it work, do we have to make it and give it to someone before we know what it does, would we need to wait like we did about the divine rune?
 
The pill I picked, how does it work, do we have to make it and give it to someone before we know what it does, would we need to wait like we did about the divine rune?
I still need to actually make it; you'll get told when I sit down to design it fully.

But I can tell you the effect, it's a false dantian pill, it would push someone into a false second step (a cutalvetion deadend). And importantly while it can be used for actual cultivators (and they would likely be stronger) this can be used on mortals.
 
I still need to actually make it; you'll get told when I sit down to design it fully.

But I can tell you the effect, it's a false dantian pill, it would push someone into a false second step (a cutalvetion deadend). And importantly while it can be used for actual cultivators (and they would likely be stronger) this can be used on mortals.
Very useful , functionally speaking, it doesn't really matter to us that it is dead end, as long as we keep a growing core of cultivators capable of ascension, it is just padding up our armies.

What happens if a second step take it?
 
Uh

You said they'd work better on cultivators than mortals (stronger, but dead-end)

What about giving them to surviving (and healed) broken?

Does this also give an extended lifespan?

Do we need a second step for the ingredient, or can we use first steps?
 
that makes a lot of sense. It also makes me wonder if there would be a "Third Steps only" language, though.

Probably too few for it to be relevant, at least for now
The language seemed like a natural expansion to us already having so many second and third steps, I am pretty sure the mechanicus got a similar thing where they talk in binary.

That kind of technique also seek to me like something that can be developed by non champions, as you just need to have simplified way of passing information, and I can imagine multiple ways to do it from fluctuations in qi that people can feel to radio-like signal and so on.

When the emperor was limited in his reading speed more by medium than his own limit, it shown pretty well I think that regular sound based language was too simplified for two cultivators to talk normally, imagine having to wait half a minute between every word or sound when talking to someone, even talking fast can probably only do so much.

Some methods may also allow communication over longer range, like they are connected by computer.

Edit, thinking about it, the emperor should eventually just interface directly with computers, stop using screen at all in all likehood, nit sure if he is there yet, but it will probably eventually happen.
What about giving them to surviving (and healed) broken
I think we should soon heal the broken normally, most of them can be brought back, they might more than double our numbers.
Second steps. You need an actual dantain that was used.
Would anyone but a mortal or first step benefit? What if second steps or third steps got it, well, what if we gave it to an animal or Kuvara's avatar, or a deva.
 
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Edit, thinking about it, the emperor should eventually just interface directly with computers, stop using screen at all in all likehood, nit sure if he is there yet, but it will probably eventually happen.
Considering we're having prototypes like this in real life (neuralink, to mention the obvious one), I imagine we'll have something like that soon now that we're at tech level 9, soon to be 10 ideally.

We already gave him high refresh monitors, so that helps and is definitely a massive improvement to paper.

That's very much a try it and find out kind of thing, you don't know enough about the pill and process to come to a reasonable conclusion.
Worth a shot, maybe there's a second step volunteer who doesn't plan to try the tribulation for example.




I think we should soon heal the broken normally, most of them can be brought back, they might more than double our numbers.
For some broken I think we can heal them but they still have a locked cultivation, right?
 
That's very much a try it and find out kind of thing, you don't know enough about the pill and process to come to a reasonable conclusion.
Should we use it, we need to scan it when we do, giving Kuvara qi could be very good, likewise, if we can make something like a water leviathan cultivator, I am curious what will happen, will they become sapient, would we still control them? Or we can instead try with some different impressive animal, like our biggest land predator.

Deva I am more leery as they are immaterial and I am not sure what will happen to the dantian, but Kuvara getting it is pretty promising, if only to get her inside formations when we wish to, risking her avatar isn't worthwhile before we are sure how it works though.


I know what I had written in the omake, but how does it work in practice did any of the demonic cultivators have second steps we can use, and while there was narrative stuff that probably wouldn't be relevant to us mechanically for now (like Haku having runic soul surgery tools, when we don't actually have them in practice), would I be allowed to try the transform demonic second step into third step and than an artifact, or would it stay in the realm of narrative without giving mechanical benefits (say because Haku will fail and the dantian of the guy is destroyed).
Considering we're having prototypes like this in real life (neuralink, to mention the obvious one), I imagine we'll have something like that soon now that we're at tech level 9, soon to be 10 ideally.

We already gave him high refresh monitors, so that helps and is definitely a massive improvement to paper.
Not sure we even have it, it is just computer science, so second steps can probably develop interface with technology technique.
For some broken I think we can heal them but they still have a locked cultivation, right?
Nope, they will be weaker, but get most of their strength back and be able to continue cultivate, and I am pretty sure you have higher chance of half step than success in the tribulation, so we might double our second steps or more.
Worth a shot, maybe there's a second step volunteer who doesn't plan to try the tribulation for example.
That seems to me like a waste, if we have limited such pills, we should go wilder, start off by giving it to an animal for example.

I had Okerteru have big pets in character, maybe one of them, so even if they don't get sapience, they would still fight for us.
 
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Sounds like easy free second steps. Make sure we have organs harvesting facilities near tribulation sites, and hire surgeons in the anti-demonic-cultivator force
 
Sounds like easy free second steps. Make sure we have organs harvesting facilities near tribulation sites, and hire surgeons in the anti-demonic-cultivator force
Fatal tribulations would likely destroy the dantians in most cases, I suspect it would be mostly demonic cultivators, and combat fatalities.
 
I know what I had written in the omake, but how does it work in practice did any of the demonic cultivators have second steps we can use, and while there was narrative stuff that probably wouldn't be relevant to us mechanically for now (like Haku having runic soul surgery tools, when we don't actually have them in practice), would I be allowed to try the transform demonic second step into third step and than an artifact, or would it stay in the realm of narrative without giving mechanical benefits (say because Haku will fail and the dantian of the guy is destroyed).
You've found some second steps but all of them are early second steps and not ready to advance.
 
You've found some second steps but all of them are early second steps and not ready to advance.
Maybe we would get lucky, demonic cultivators tend to cultivate surprisingly fast, there might be one we didn't catch yet, if I mentioned Haku's experiment in future omake I would just say it failed and he died to one thing or another.

Did any get turned into pills? Or would we have other options how to use them, like I imagine first steps get thrown into our flames or Kuvara to feed them with their souls, unless their refined bodies are useful (although I guess we can technically just peel anything not critical for survival to use as materials and than throw the leftovers to the flames, or feed the soul to Kuvara and than use the body, probably after they are put in medical coma to make it more humane), thinking about it, we might do it to second steps too if dantian extraction isn't fatal.



While scrolling through the Warhammer wiki, I just discovered the concept of corpse starch, apparently all corpses in hive cities are reused as food after being processed...

I am relatively sure demonic cultivation will spread like wildfire in the imperium, even if the chaos gods wouldn't be involved, and I suspect they will not be discerning in their targets as we will be.



Also, can we tell people to stop tribulation for now, and than do it all at once when the apocalypse get closer, for fear of tribulations hastening it? So like, people wouldn't do tribulation next turn, and do it in turn 15 together?

Thinking about it, we may be in similar situation to Warhammer fantasy where we need a great vortex to stop the magic saturation getting too high, and leading to demons being able to freely come.

That may actually be a good use of ninth grade materials eventually, constructing such vortex, maybe it can drain the qi from the world, we might be able to make use of it, but the vortex in fantasy can't if I remember correctly, it just sends the energy back to the warp.

On the other hand, if we let the process run it's course, I suspect our planet will eventually become a xianxia planet, aka, huge and somehow still supporting life, and we saw what happens when a place of power formed, so this may happen to everything, talent also increases from qi exposure, so we will all around get better cultivators, if only the chaos gods weren't around...
Should he succeed, he will utilize the divinity in the reaming lightning and his soul power to complete the forging of the pillar, purifying concept and Qi both to the highest degrees and step fly into the third step.

Should he fail but not so far as to have his pillar completely collapse, the pillar forging will be complete and without the purification of the soul it would not be able to hold a concept leaving him one foot into the third step yet not fully there.
This made me curious, @uri, can such understanding of tribulation give bonus to tribulations, as people know what they are actually doing, can we develop technique to battle and better harness understood tribulations?

To give bonus for survival chances, benefit from tribulation and so on?

I doubt we will have time before the apocalypse, but it is interesting idea, maybe if we can see tribulations in person with our insight, our insight can seemingly allow us to counter techniques by understanding them to some extent, so maybe we can do so for tribulation.
You've busted an entire underground ring selling keku to be eaten.
Do we know where they got the keku from? Did those Keku just get lost in the missing reports? Were they raising them like cattle?
The hunters are going over every inch of evidence to determine how they could have missed that.
We definitely got a rat in some high position, there is no way it was hidden without help, someone was covering up for them, passing information and so on.
Unfortunately, another problem has surfaced, the large-scale monitoring has raised the issue of privacy among the general papules and something must be done too quiet them down.
We are going to need so much propaganda.


Going back to the perpetual, I wonder if Yokoto would want to study him, a lot of her insights are kind of like pieces of power of a perpetual, same way that enough insights can theoretically mimic Shitaku's genius or future sight, she is basically going the perpetual route, it doesn't seem like she would need the more than hundred needed to copy's Shitaku's genius, but still, knowing how blank work may ease the process for her.

Especially if Shitaku write what he sees when he looks at him, if he consents, we should put him under medical coma while studying him, so we can make minor wounds in his body, mind and soul and see how they heal (thinking about it, what happens if we douse or increase the flames of desires while someone sleeping, nightmare? Improper sleep? They wake up?).

Thinking about it, those are more stuff to study, we should do the same to our third step healer to see how his true regeneration works.
 
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