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can we even put him to sleep? Won't he just heal from that quickly?
Distant Stars. (a WH40K/Xianxia civ Quest).
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Roth963
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Good point, that's another thing to check, that might also point to the tribulation making him perpetual or awakening it in him if nothing can affect him for long now, but could before (as I think he would have been flagged long before the tribulation as odd if minor wounds rapidly healed, maybe they just never realized he was wounded and the wounds healed so fast he never even saw his skin break).
If he consents we can do stuff like it when he is awake, but I am not really comfortable exterminating on our citizens if he doesn't, even if I would be very open to trying to bribe him to do so.
Also, if he can regen, it is worth checking what transformations can effect his body, entirely possible he literally can't start cultivation as his body will revert the tempering.
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Meetings and deliberations.
"We must acknowledge that we are not just one warm draft of wind behind our opponents but many, many hundreds of such drafts behind" the wizened master of the hunters started "our enemies have spent thousands of years perfecting the craft of deceit and infiltration, their servant chosen and trained to crack the thought of fortresses and bring them down with words, there is nothing we can do to stop their infiltration, it is in a word impossible".
"You will have us do nothing!" Okun, one of your most senior generals, interrupted, slamming his wing on the large table you all set around.
The old master wasn't fazed by his outburst and calmly answered "not at all, we must act but it's important to understand what is within our means and what is not, we can deadly, we can bleed and hurt, we can make it costly and minimize the wounds we suffer but we cannot stop this infiltration" the old master took a moment to breath before continuing "not with the currant resources of the empire".
"There might be a grain of truth in your statement, Ikuno" you begin "but we gathered here to hear the report on our most recant debacle, perhaps we should save the long speeches and talk of solutions for after hearing the report?"
"Very well" Ikuno replied, "Though there is not much to report, all signs point to local corruption, extremally local. Were currently having many of the less harmfull of our suspects under heavy observation, though we don't expect to find anything as those assets would be burnd for any operator with a brain, which I think we already concluded how they are far better at this then us."
"Tell him the rest" your daughter -and steward- commended.
Ikuno scowled "I was just getting to that, see the corruption is all real but even corrupt officials know well enough to not mess with us"
"Yet they did" you point out.
"That they did" Ikuno agreed "but many signs point toward some sort of mental tampering"
"Mind control?" you ask alarmed.
"Nothing so overt and powerful but of those we brought in and questioned, non-remember who paid them, what he paid them for, or that they weren't actually paid at all despite insisting that they did."
"How sure are you in your assessment?" asked another of the generals participating in the meeting.
"Reasonably sure" Ikuno replied "there is the possibility that they are hiding greater capabilities but with the power to mind control people outright they would have done far more damage than they did till now".
The gathered military Keku broke into discussion but before it could go too far you intervened "I assume you have a plan?"
At your words Ikuno scowl darkened even further "expansions, and fast, more eyes and more minds to look everything over, we count outsmart or out maneuver our enemy but brute force might suffice where guile will fail".
"You're hopping to get lucky" one of generals stated "you plan to leave the fate of the empire and its citizens to luck?"
"Not fully" Ikuno replied, and lifted the brief for this meeting "page seven has the breakdown on my requested budget and what it'll be used for, many of those would help mitigate the damage but at this point luck is all we can rely on".
You turn to page three and read the sums requested and pause, that is a lot of money, granting it would put the hunters at contention for heist budgeted government organization, competing with the military for that title.
You read through some of the detailed use for that amount of money and stop on one particular line. "I would have thought you would push for a higher intensification of the monitoring system; this is nothing more than a minor expansion."
"We decided to scale back a bit, let the problem with it settle" Ikuno replied.
"Why?" you ask "the results speak for themselves".
In response Ikuno straightens his spine and stars into your eyes "It is the hunter's official position that the initial results of the camera system are a trap".
The rooms fell into silence at his words, it was kekita who broke it "A trap? How so?".
"For decades we barely manage to capture more than a dozen demonic first steps a decade and when questioned they know next to nothing about others of their kind" Ikuno voice claimed higher and higher as he talked "and now suddenly, we find dozens of demonic cultivators and they all seem to know about each other? Its suspicious"
The assembled Keku didn't seemed convinced, one of the junior generals pointed out "that there are many reasons why there could be such a change, most blatantly the use of a new tool"
"But its not just that" Ikuno voiced was raised once more, "their actual knowledge of demonic cultivation is lesser than those who came before and although we captured a few seconds steps all of them, first and second steps were shit cultivators even by the standard of the demonic, obviously raised as expendable pawns, we also didn't catch anyone with the e power to influence the mind".
"And you think that our enemy planed this to get us to trust our new tool more then we should?" you asked, not fully convinced yet but why have those councils if you don't give anyone a chance to change your mind?
"Yes" Ikuno replied "an attempt to get us to overcommit and press our wight on a still open wound, your divine word would reduce the voice crying out against the breach of their perceived privacy considerably but not fully, a fact that can be capitalized upon."
Hmm… you aren't entirely sure but this dos sound like something the four would attempt. "Could it not be that the trap is set on the assumption we'll know it's a trap? " You ask "you did say that the clues were relatively obvious".
"We already thought of it my emperor, which is why were still planning to expand the systems but also deal with the underlaying problem".
Of course, the trap could just be slowing down your use of an effective too… on second though all three are traps, after all the best trap is the one you must walk into.
Still, you read through the rest of Ikuno proposal and budget allocations and when you finished you decide to--.
[] Approve it.
[] Modify it.
-[] how? (either add, remove of modify one of the terms).
"With this matter concluded" you begin "lets move to our next subject, Okertaku offer".
Okun was the first to speak "Can we even afford not to agree? What he's offering would do a great deal to close the technology gap between us and the enemy".
"But is it worth it?" another general asks, turning to you before continuing "from my understanding this Divine Qi he's asking for is a priceless resource, can we afford to give so much of it up? No to mention the emperor time".
"It's not a matter of if we can afford to or not" Okun responds "we must. The benefit not just to our armies but to the amount of equipment we could produce would significantly shift the balance in this war".
"Are we sure he's not bluffing" a third voice states "we know they are his enemy too; he might not care when he leaves if he left us something he wanted us to pay for".
"Maybe" you reply "his domains would not lend themselves to acting in such a way outside of the deal, it's risky".
After another half an hour of discussion you decided to –
[] Accept his offer.
[] Decline his offer.
"Regardless if we act or not, the rapid advancement has left a large segment of the population and the empire behind and obsolete and something must be done" said Kekita, raising the next topic of this meeting.
"I looked over the numbers gathered, it would be a lot of effort to invest" started Juk your treasure "it might the callus but people will sort themselves out and leaving them to themselves would save a significant part of the budget".
Ikuno laughed at his words "and level them open to the four? Might as well put a Kinfe to our throat" he said "especially if we accept Okertaku offer, then things would get really bad without some help"
In the end you've decided to—
[] pass the uplifting aid program.
[] reject the uplifting aid program.
"And lastly" Okun begun "we have the matter of doctrine".
It Ko which spoke next "With the rapid advancement of the empire, we have to redesign pretty much every piece of equipment, which means this is the best time to decide on our overarching doctrine and how we'll build our army"
"The first choice" this time it was a third general, one by the name of Jubuk "is maneuver warfare, our forces will be light and fast, able to reach anywhere in the battle field and leave before the enemy can do anything about I it, this doctrine is the one we have most experience with as it is our current one, meaning there would be very little growing pains."
"But its also not as effective in the type of fighting were expecting" Ko responded "the scaleof the battles and the fact we'll be swiftly driven back toward places we must protect leave it a dangerous doctrine to utilize, I propose its opposite, entrenchment"
"Our units will be trained and supplied with the best digging and constructing equipment to be able to swiftly fortify positions and bleed the enemy for every ich of our home they take".
"Entrenchments is just about the opposite of the Kkeu nature as can be, we do not stand still" Okun said "I propose the overwhelming fire doctrine, produce as much artillery and tanks as we can and let the enemy walk through a solid wall of fire.
"A wall of fire that will falter the moment it could not breach the enemy armor" a fourth general interrupted "I propose the mass conscription doctrine, were already going to be drafting the entire population, lets focus on cheap, reliable and fast to produce equipment even if it suffers a bit in its power, to let all of those coscripts a have sufficient equipment to challenge the enemy."
"And none of those doctrine will let use win, the enemy comes form underground and we must prepare to met his there" a fifth general said " I propose the underground fighting doctrine, a focus on compact and reliable equipment for underground fighting and training in enclosed spaces".
Choose your army fighting doctrine (note: this is the focus, not the only thing, the maneuver warfare doctrine would still have artillery and would still try to equip as many of the conscript as it could, it would just not focus on that).
[] Maneuver warfare.
[] Entrenchment.
[] Overwhelming fire power.
[] Mass conscription.
[] underground fighting.
[] write in (ping me and explain your resoning for it and I'll either allow it or veto).
Let's start off with 6 hours of moratorium as this vote is important, please vote in plans. I'm of course a valuable for any questions and I hoped you enjoy.
Lastly (and this should be outside the plane vote) please vote for any specialist unit you want, specialist units are as implied special, they are meant to preform very specific tasks. As an example, the emperor hand, the super heavy tank unit meant to be carried with his insight and protect him.
Basically, this is where you put your various ideas, I call this a vote but t anything submitted would get at least a test by the actual military of the empire to see if its worthwhile to develop.
[] just put your ideas here.
"You will have us do nothing!" Okun, one of your most senior generals, interrupted, slamming his wing on the large table you all set around.
The old master wasn't fazed by his outburst and calmly answered "not at all, we must act but it's important to understand what is within our means and what is not, we can deadly, we can bleed and hurt, we can make it costly and minimize the wounds we suffer but we cannot stop this infiltration" the old master took a moment to breath before continuing "not with the currant resources of the empire".
"There might be a grain of truth in your statement, Ikuno" you begin "but we gathered here to hear the report on our most recant debacle, perhaps we should save the long speeches and talk of solutions for after hearing the report?"
"Very well" Ikuno replied, "Though there is not much to report, all signs point to local corruption, extremally local. Were currently having many of the less harmfull of our suspects under heavy observation, though we don't expect to find anything as those assets would be burnd for any operator with a brain, which I think we already concluded how they are far better at this then us."
"Tell him the rest" your daughter -and steward- commended.
Ikuno scowled "I was just getting to that, see the corruption is all real but even corrupt officials know well enough to not mess with us"
"Yet they did" you point out.
"That they did" Ikuno agreed "but many signs point toward some sort of mental tampering"
"Mind control?" you ask alarmed.
"Nothing so overt and powerful but of those we brought in and questioned, non-remember who paid them, what he paid them for, or that they weren't actually paid at all despite insisting that they did."
"How sure are you in your assessment?" asked another of the generals participating in the meeting.
"Reasonably sure" Ikuno replied "there is the possibility that they are hiding greater capabilities but with the power to mind control people outright they would have done far more damage than they did till now".
The gathered military Keku broke into discussion but before it could go too far you intervened "I assume you have a plan?"
At your words Ikuno scowl darkened even further "expansions, and fast, more eyes and more minds to look everything over, we count outsmart or out maneuver our enemy but brute force might suffice where guile will fail".
"You're hopping to get lucky" one of generals stated "you plan to leave the fate of the empire and its citizens to luck?"
"Not fully" Ikuno replied, and lifted the brief for this meeting "page seven has the breakdown on my requested budget and what it'll be used for, many of those would help mitigate the damage but at this point luck is all we can rely on".
You turn to page three and read the sums requested and pause, that is a lot of money, granting it would put the hunters at contention for heist budgeted government organization, competing with the military for that title.
You read through some of the detailed use for that amount of money and stop on one particular line. "I would have thought you would push for a higher intensification of the monitoring system; this is nothing more than a minor expansion."
"We decided to scale back a bit, let the problem with it settle" Ikuno replied.
"Why?" you ask "the results speak for themselves".
In response Ikuno straightens his spine and stars into your eyes "It is the hunter's official position that the initial results of the camera system are a trap".
The rooms fell into silence at his words, it was kekita who broke it "A trap? How so?".
"For decades we barely manage to capture more than a dozen demonic first steps a decade and when questioned they know next to nothing about others of their kind" Ikuno voice claimed higher and higher as he talked "and now suddenly, we find dozens of demonic cultivators and they all seem to know about each other? Its suspicious"
The assembled Keku didn't seemed convinced, one of the junior generals pointed out "that there are many reasons why there could be such a change, most blatantly the use of a new tool"
"But its not just that" Ikuno voiced was raised once more, "their actual knowledge of demonic cultivation is lesser than those who came before and although we captured a few seconds steps all of them, first and second steps were shit cultivators even by the standard of the demonic, obviously raised as expendable pawns, we also didn't catch anyone with the e power to influence the mind".
"And you think that our enemy planed this to get us to trust our new tool more then we should?" you asked, not fully convinced yet but why have those councils if you don't give anyone a chance to change your mind?
"Yes" Ikuno replied "an attempt to get us to overcommit and press our wight on a still open wound, your divine word would reduce the voice crying out against the breach of their perceived privacy considerably but not fully, a fact that can be capitalized upon."
Hmm… you aren't entirely sure but this dos sound like something the four would attempt. "Could it not be that the trap is set on the assumption we'll know it's a trap? " You ask "you did say that the clues were relatively obvious".
"We already thought of it my emperor, which is why were still planning to expand the systems but also deal with the underlaying problem".
Of course, the trap could just be slowing down your use of an effective too… on second though all three are traps, after all the best trap is the one you must walk into.
Still, you read through the rest of Ikuno proposal and budget allocations and when you finished you decide to--.
[] Approve it.
[] Modify it.
-[] how? (either add, remove of modify one of the terms).
1. 600 EFEP will be given over to the hunters every turn for three turns (T14,T15 and T16) at which point the results of the previous three decades would be gone over and a new proposal and path forward will be made.
2. A minor expansion of the currant monitoring system.
3. sensible privacy laws regarding the camera systems to reduce unrest about its use.
4. third and second step help with vetting recruits for possible mental tampering. (this would mean 1 cultivator AP next turn and no third step actions taken as they help here instead).
2. A minor expansion of the currant monitoring system.
3. sensible privacy laws regarding the camera systems to reduce unrest about its use.
4. third and second step help with vetting recruits for possible mental tampering. (this would mean 1 cultivator AP next turn and no third step actions taken as they help here instead).
"With this matter concluded" you begin "lets move to our next subject, Okertaku offer".
Okun was the first to speak "Can we even afford not to agree? What he's offering would do a great deal to close the technology gap between us and the enemy".
"But is it worth it?" another general asks, turning to you before continuing "from my understanding this Divine Qi he's asking for is a priceless resource, can we afford to give so much of it up? No to mention the emperor time".
"It's not a matter of if we can afford to or not" Okun responds "we must. The benefit not just to our armies but to the amount of equipment we could produce would significantly shift the balance in this war".
"Are we sure he's not bluffing" a third voice states "we know they are his enemy too; he might not care when he leaves if he left us something he wanted us to pay for".
"Maybe" you reply "his domains would not lend themselves to acting in such a way outside of the deal, it's risky".
After another half an hour of discussion you decided to –
[] Accept his offer.
[] Decline his offer.
1. Shikatu will Okertaku all of the divine Qi generated by the empire for the next turn (all the divine Qi that doesn't go to Kuvara).
2. Shikatu will spend at least 4 AP on divination aid for okertaku breakout attempt.
3. Okertaku will provide enough knowledge and technology to raise the empire to techlevel 20.
2. Shikatu will spend at least 4 AP on divination aid for okertaku breakout attempt.
3. Okertaku will provide enough knowledge and technology to raise the empire to techlevel 20.
"Regardless if we act or not, the rapid advancement has left a large segment of the population and the empire behind and obsolete and something must be done" said Kekita, raising the next topic of this meeting.
"I looked over the numbers gathered, it would be a lot of effort to invest" started Juk your treasure "it might the callus but people will sort themselves out and leaving them to themselves would save a significant part of the budget".
Ikuno laughed at his words "and level them open to the four? Might as well put a Kinfe to our throat" he said "especially if we accept Okertaku offer, then things would get really bad without some help"
In the end you've decided to—
[] pass the uplifting aid program.
[] reject the uplifting aid program.
1. 500 EFEP would be spent next turn (T14) to help people adjust, then 250 EFEP on the turn after that (T15)
2. if okertaku offer is accepted, spend 1500 EFEP on t14, 1000 on T15 and 500 on t16.
3. not passing this program is likely to result in some economic damage.
2. if okertaku offer is accepted, spend 1500 EFEP on t14, 1000 on T15 and 500 on t16.
3. not passing this program is likely to result in some economic damage.
"And lastly" Okun begun "we have the matter of doctrine".
It Ko which spoke next "With the rapid advancement of the empire, we have to redesign pretty much every piece of equipment, which means this is the best time to decide on our overarching doctrine and how we'll build our army"
"The first choice" this time it was a third general, one by the name of Jubuk "is maneuver warfare, our forces will be light and fast, able to reach anywhere in the battle field and leave before the enemy can do anything about I it, this doctrine is the one we have most experience with as it is our current one, meaning there would be very little growing pains."
"But its also not as effective in the type of fighting were expecting" Ko responded "the scaleof the battles and the fact we'll be swiftly driven back toward places we must protect leave it a dangerous doctrine to utilize, I propose its opposite, entrenchment"
"Our units will be trained and supplied with the best digging and constructing equipment to be able to swiftly fortify positions and bleed the enemy for every ich of our home they take".
"Entrenchments is just about the opposite of the Kkeu nature as can be, we do not stand still" Okun said "I propose the overwhelming fire doctrine, produce as much artillery and tanks as we can and let the enemy walk through a solid wall of fire.
"A wall of fire that will falter the moment it could not breach the enemy armor" a fourth general interrupted "I propose the mass conscription doctrine, were already going to be drafting the entire population, lets focus on cheap, reliable and fast to produce equipment even if it suffers a bit in its power, to let all of those coscripts a have sufficient equipment to challenge the enemy."
"And none of those doctrine will let use win, the enemy comes form underground and we must prepare to met his there" a fifth general said " I propose the underground fighting doctrine, a focus on compact and reliable equipment for underground fighting and training in enclosed spaces".
Choose your army fighting doctrine (note: this is the focus, not the only thing, the maneuver warfare doctrine would still have artillery and would still try to equip as many of the conscript as it could, it would just not focus on that).
[] Maneuver warfare.
[] Entrenchment.
[] Overwhelming fire power.
[] Mass conscription.
[] underground fighting.
[] write in (ping me and explain your resoning for it and I'll either allow it or veto).
Let's start off with 6 hours of moratorium as this vote is important, please vote in plans. I'm of course a valuable for any questions and I hoped you enjoy.
Lastly (and this should be outside the plane vote) please vote for any specialist unit you want, specialist units are as implied special, they are meant to preform very specific tasks. As an example, the emperor hand, the super heavy tank unit meant to be carried with his insight and protect him.
Basically, this is where you put your various ideas, I call this a vote but t anything submitted would get at least a test by the actual military of the empire to see if its worthwhile to develop.
[] just put your ideas here.
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Roth963
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Something worth noting for plans like the one with the feng shui to shut down the gates, pubertro's speciality is tearing down sieges, so he should be dealt with before any plan to bunker up.
The turn after it, we will also have all the divine qi free, leaving our champions to use it to get insights too.
Him leaving will also distract the chaos gods, as he has cultivation information with him, they need to contain him.
Damm, that expensive, but definitely worth it, can we ask for knowledge of the pyramid too? Would he be willing to tell us if the uses for the drop too before he leaves? And maybe some books on spiritual surgery? Thinking about it, can we make it a loan, he gives us all the divine qi knowledge he is willing to sell, and if we win, we pay double for it after the apocalypse?
The turn after it, we will also have all the divine qi free, leaving our champions to use it to get insights too.
Him leaving will also distract the chaos gods, as he has cultivation information with him, they need to contain him.
Well, I think we can shelf the new pill for now, too expensive to add on top of all those expenses.
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Whoops, there was supposed to be forth thing there, he basically gives you all the knowledge he has, for the pyramid, for the blood for the lords. It's a great big fire sale because he isn't planning to come back until you win.
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Would it include divine qi knowledge? Because if so, that deal is even better than I thought.
The main problem is keeping Kuvara safe after he leaves, but I hope a relatively big god with cultivation knowledge and desire to spread it escaping will be enough to give them some distraction.
yes, not everything he has on that but most. Everything he was willing to sell you before anyways.
Roth963
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That deal is really good, the loss of divine qi and aps will hurt, but what he gives us is worth that serval times over.
This likely means we can't get insights back, ni point in doing insight research if we can't actually use the research the same turn like other stuff.
But it isn't like we lack for stuff to study.
I would say to also accept the hunter proposal, that guy's words made sense, and I heavily suspect there is core formation demonic cultivator by now if they didn't throw all the pillar guys they had our way, and I suspect those will be especially dangerous because I am not sure more chaos is bad for them.
Also, good thing we had our economy grow so much, for now we should blow our previous wealth completely out of the water, but still, all the proposals are really expensive.
As for fighting doctrine, we will be best at maneuverability, but they raised good points about it being bad for this type of combat, so slash it.
Entrenched has similar problem, like I mentioned, Perturabo is good at cracking sieges open, and keku will be horrible at this type of combat.
Mass conscription sounds like trying to match the enemy in their own game, they already outnumber us in the really cheap units, and we don't really have the population to use numbers to overwhelm tens of thousands of space Marines and demons, they beat us in both quality and quantity.
I think this leave two options, overwhelming fire power and underground fighting.
We will be horrible at underground fighting, but we need to get to the portals to close them.
I also think that trying direct fighting will go badly.
Currently more inclined for overwhelming firepower, with maybe a touch of underground fighting.
Roth963
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I think keeping our whole force on underground fighting isn't the best idea, we can only shove so many Keku in a tunnel, what we need outside is a way to slow down and repel the chaos forces.
I am too wary of direct engagement, so I think my pick will be overwhelming firepower, I already made my opinion known that I heavily suspect this war will see major WMD use.
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I get this guy is frustrated, but unless he has a better idea he should listen more and speak less.
daaamn, that IS a lot.
Basically we have no choice than become worse than 1984 Big Brother if we want to mitigate the damage.
It will be very unpopular. We can only hope people will understand the necessity.
uh. that's a good point.
There's also the fact that they'd KNOW about the cameras. Sure, some extra captures are to be expected, but you'd expect them to reduce operations for a bit.
it's fair.
better to try multiple approaches if we can. don't become over-reliant on only one.
you mean expansion, right?
TWENTY?!
We CAN'T not take this deal!
NOTHING we could do with 4 APs and that divine qi could possibly be worth THAT much!
Though I fully expect our society to suffer a bit from it.
This is quite literally bringing up a society from "barely know of writing an agriculture" to "sci-fi tech".
Even if we assume that societal changes between tech tier 9 and 20 are less... significant than between tech tier 0 and 9 (which is likely. a tech tier 8 society can at least IMAGINE the kind of sci-fi that's basically just magic to even more primitive ones), there WILL be disruptions. Including that original Keku research will likely be near non-existent for a generation or two, I think.
Still, we have to risk it.
yeah, we can't risk the societal unrest from NOT helping. We need our people solidly behind us... well, except for the inevitable traitors.
We HAVE to take Okertatu's Deal, AND we have to help our people adapt.
We also REALLY need to work on new laws for the new tech tier, and maybe "To Rule Well".
...Okertatu COULD have offered this deal a turn or two ago though...
I have NO IDEA here.
I'll try to think of something later.
mh... Hunters is 600, Uplift is 1500, so that's 2100.
our current EEFP is... 2643.
and our empires EEP is 5162.
We're effectively spending something like 40% of our GDP on spying + uplift. That's a lot... and we still HAVE to go for it.
We really need to work on the laws and empire's being ruled well while this transition is happening. We can't afford mistakes.
oh, that makes sense. and yeah... honestly IF we win and meet him again I'll probably offer to give him a large gift of divine qi, honestly.
Well, after the planet recovers from the Apocalypse at least. but tech tier 20 would likely allow some large scale terraforming too.
Honestly Okertatu has been more than fair with us. Perks of having THE Common enemy.
if we both survive what's to come, I'd like to thank him and reward him for his help once we can.
True. with the remaining 4 APs I want to at least do a Law action and maybe Rule well, because our empire needs all the help it can get to not implode.
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Not sure about writing laws, I am not sure that needs us.
I think my pick will be to rule well, the power of blood, the broken (to restore all the second step half steps and give them time to advance in the second realm), and for the final one there could be multiple directions, one pick could be getting a phoenix dao shard, but there are a lot of potential directions, is that the turn of tribulation third step guys? We might need to teach them.
If we spend four ap helping him, it still leave our fate flames, we can probably divine something with them, I will suggest either looking for the cause of the apocalypse, or trying to find the demonic cultivators with it.
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Being fair, the head of internal intelligence (the hunters do sort of fill that space) just kind of said he has nothing and hopes that brut forcing the solution would work.
Said head of internal intelligence may be completely right but it's still a punch to the face.
He could have, true, but I think I've already established that while he's your friend (somewhat) he also has his own agenda and would work to better himself over you.
For Okertaku the last few turns were fairly good.
Keep in mind that things aren't updated yet (because I've been lazy) but the increase should be around 300~ EFEP so its in the same ballpark.
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Honestly mannuever might be the play. Lean into the strengths the keku have.
my initial instinct said entrenchment, because a fortified redoubt is textbook gate defense.
But others have said chaos is bringing a seigebreaking expert. (a counter play to digging in?)
Manuever could involve a focus on evacuations and force cocentration, defeating the enemy in detail one closed gate at a time. Reinforcing flagging fronts. Get the guys where they need to be the fastest.
We know the demons will be numerous and powerful. We could maybe catch up on gunpower, could we outpace movement speed?
Not going to vote as i just like to read
my initial instinct said entrenchment, because a fortified redoubt is textbook gate defense.
But others have said chaos is bringing a seigebreaking expert. (a counter play to digging in?)
Manuever could involve a focus on evacuations and force cocentration, defeating the enemy in detail one closed gate at a time. Reinforcing flagging fronts. Get the guys where they need to be the fastest.
We know the demons will be numerous and powerful. We could maybe catch up on gunpower, could we outpace movement speed?
Not going to vote as i just like to read
Welp, that would differently cause tech stagnation for our empire. Because that would bring us up to tech 20. but it wouldn't bring the actual history of getting there, so We would probably get the Knowledge to use the tech, but not advance it since he is the god of stagnation after all.
Would cause the typical xianxia thing where the mortals are forever at medieval level. But brought to space age instead.
Basically I say If we dont mind causing stagnation in our tech base I saw go for it, or if you think we just dont have a choice but to do it with the apocalypse coming. I would prefer having a stagnated Tech base then everyone being dead afterall. (I think we have a chance without this deal personally, but I don't really understand the mechanics, so I'm just basing off of what I've read)
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One thing to bring up about Okerteru is his stagnation domain, that's Nurgle's domain, and considering what we know about domains, wither he is related to Nurgle in some way (I find it unlikely, his help improved our odds drastically, especially if we take this deal), or Nurgle probably really wants him dead (by his own hand), so that probably a large part of why he is an enemy of the chaos gods, one of them need to kill him to complete one of his domains.
With cultivators and champions being sent to deal with the units who won't die, possibly with blank support if the nature of the survival is magical rather than technological.
Maneuverability is nice for wars outside our planet, but while keku are mobile, I doubt we can indefinitely move civilians in large groups, especially if there are children amongst them.
As for movement speed, I think in that regard we are pretty good, I suspect we would be superior in movement speed to most.
This would probably cause problems, but since the knowledge behind how the tech works exist, I think we can use social engineering to get people to advance it after enough time.
And to be honest, I already kind of made peace with destroying out future tech advancements when I saw what we face against with willingness to buy exotic advancements, this is better, so I am happier.
I doubt we can evacuate entire cities rapidly, I think a focus on firepower is important because it allows us to just erect places of death, in which it doesn't matter how tough the space Marines or lesser demons are, how numerous they are, how terrifying they are or what magic they have, if our technology can kill them, they will die.
With cultivators and champions being sent to deal with the units who won't die, possibly with blank support if the nature of the survival is magical rather than technological.
Maneuverability is nice for wars outside our planet, but while keku are mobile, I doubt we can indefinitely move civilians in large groups, especially if there are children amongst them.
As for movement speed, I think in that regard we are pretty good, I suspect we would be superior in movement speed to most.
Not necessarily, we know this kind of advancement isn't the thing the imperium suffer from, the problem with the imperium is using tech above their tech level.
This would probably cause problems, but since the knowledge behind how the tech works exist, I think we can use social engineering to get people to advance it after enough time.
And to be honest, I already kind of made peace with destroying out future tech advancements when I saw what we face against with willingness to buy exotic advancements, this is better, so I am happier.
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I think it does because this is like writing laws about privacy, social media, automation, advanced finance, copyright and so on, times ONE MILLION, when your society has just only come up with such neat things as "writing" and "agriculture".
NOBODY is ready for the problems new technologies will bring, and I believe that having our best and brightest (namely Shikatu) taking a heavy hand in writing the new laws will help.
Especially because those laws need to include martial law for when the apocalypse is in progress.
with broken we now basically have to go for Kuvara's method, right? We don't have the divine qi (or wealth for pills) for the only other method we could go for right now.
as he said, we're fighting against demon gods and falled champions of a society FAR more advanced than hours.
EVERYTHING is stacked against us, and honestly if it wasn't for Okertatu I'd argue we'd have no chance at all at this point.
In other words, we only have a shot because beings we have a common enemy with are willing to help us.
We're a third world country, founded by a minor first world country, trying to survive a "minor" assault by a superpower.
I was more thinking that, honestly, if he had come to us with this same deal 3 turns ago, asking for ALL OF OUR DIVINE QI FOR THREE TURNS, I'd have still likely taken it, and we'd have had more time to adapt to it.
Then again maybe he thought he'd accelerate Chaos' timetable too much for it to be of actual benefit to us? That's actually possible.
On the other hand, starting to apply tech tier 20 means we get a far better multiplier It will probably double if not more, though we have to build up to it... and then there's the actual tech itself.
The best will go to the military, sure... but we kinda HAVE to build up a supporting economy for it.
He's probably hoping for that.
We have a culture of curiosity though, so HOPEFULLY after we survive the Apocalypse we can fund as many experiments and study as we can afford to TRULY understand the tech we get, all of its possible uses and ramifications, and then go on from there.
We WILL stay at tech tier 20 for decades, possibly centuries... but we can eventually go beyond that.
That said, some stagnation is inevitable simply because of mechanics. to go from tech tier 20 to 21 I think it takes... 6200 tech points? I think it went *10 every 10 levels.
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Worth noting, he isn't just a siege breaking expert, he is good at making them too, known for making impenetrable defences and breaking them.
Perturabo is considered according to the wiki as the most gifted of the emperor's sons in crafting technology, the smartest in that regard.
The chaos gods didn't pick just two random primarchs, those two were picked specifically to kill us, I imagine that the first thing Perturabo will do is fortify the breaches, in that way, we may have picked the right choice when we lowered the breaches in the middle, so we can close those before he got time to work them over.
Arcane and technological might.
Perturabo might be less dangerous in a fight than Magnus (theoretically at least, Magnus doesn't really seem to use some of his crazier feats or any creativity against his brothers, so while he is the strongest in theory, in practice he lost to multiple primarchs), he is still ridiculously dangerous, even before getting daemon prince powers.
We have two types of broken, second steps and third step.
I am talking about second steps, them we can restore with soul surgery, restoring most of their power and allowing them to advance again.
We might get one or two cultivators aps on that alone the turn after that, maybe even more.
That doesn't really sounds too complex to be included in to rule well.
Also, our people can write laws, what our people can't do is teach second steps about to ascend or figure out demonic cultivation.
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Tarku broke out of the secret realm, the drop in his spatial ring, and it wasn't a moment later that the realm collapsed, having lost it's source of power.
Understandable, considering he took the thing that maintained it, a tiny splatter of the blood of Adzeh, an alien sun god that fell in the chaos wars.
It took decades to locate an unplundered piece of a god corpse, that was the most critical piece in his pill.
But there was still one more, he could transform it into a pill now, he knew that this tiny drop could catapult him to unheard of heights.
With it he could safely seize a piece of a god domain, it will be small now, minor enough so that he wouldn't be subsumed by it.
But with the god's refined domain, he can skip the fifth tribulation, jumping straight to domain sizing from the peak of nascent, it would likewise make advancement much smoother in the divine realms, for a while at least.
There was one problem, he was only at the third step yet, he has held back on raising his final pillar until he could be assured he got the drop, so he can fit it into his core concept, but that wasn't as relevant as the tribulation that seizing a piece of divinity will bring.
He looked at the desolate landscape around him, the land ruined by whatever cataclysm killed the god.
It didn't die here, that's he knew for sure, he wasn't certain about who got their hands on the corpse itself, if any did, but that made any preparation for tribulation even more urgent, he didn't know what enemy he would make when he consumed it.
He looked to the stars and calculated his destination, and than he took off.
He started accelerating, his wings moved but it wasn't just air that moved with them.
Space buckled with every beat of a wing, and soon the air around him caught fire, it didn't touch him, sliding along currents that existed in the fabric of reality.
It wasn't long before he got to the atmosphere and started accelerating.
He left his connection to regular space, and achieved FTL, light warped changing colours as it did, no longer fast enough catch up to him normally.
But it was slow, should he risk a warp jump? He hadn't been certain of the state of the immaterium around here, but it seems relatively quiet, and using jumps could lower the journey from a year to just two months.
It would be a short jump he decided.
And so he turned his wings just so, and flew into the heavens, here it was not space that carried him, but the concept of flight itself, a concept imbued into the keku since the dawn of civilization.
A technique kept a semblance of reality around him for protection, the thing humans called gellar fields, but he knew it wouldn't hold against any serious attack, he wasn't a ship graded Keku after all.
Good thing his destination was close.
Reality broke again and he was back in the material.
He sustained himself on the fasting pills in his spatial ring, he had no time to cultivate, but using the keku's innate gifts didn't take much qi, and he had qi pills for emergencies besides.
But when Kutra came into view for the fifth time he left the heavens, skipping in and out as he was, he realized something was wrong.
In the distance, what seemed like a female Keku fought a silvery winged serpent, one that was slightly smaller than her in length, but much thinner.
Tiny flashes of green and silver blinked in and out around them.
That Keku was his current residence.
Kutra had been drawn out from the rest of the flock worlds by the temptation of a minor breach, coming her to gorge herself on the souls of the warp creatures to come out of it, the same way a regular bird might leave it's flock upon seeing a big group of worms, he had moved here two decades past in anticipation of this detour.
It seemed like a miracle at the time, it wasn't safe for Keku to stay out of the migration paths for long, the lords pounced on every unprotected keku that caught their attention, and the migration paths changed with time besides as part of the time wars.
Entire wars fought in theoretical timelines through precog and limited time travel, and as such, it was rare a world was ever ambushed on it's path in the present, if there was an ambush, the path would be different.
And there weren't many fools who thoughts themselves capable of outmaneuvering the keku.
The only one to do so consistently was the lord of fate.
Was it a trap? Just bad luck? What was a shard of the void dragon doing here.
And than he realized something, he currently wasn't part of the guardian formation, allied technique wouldn't ignore him.
Cease
The Word was screamed into reality, spreading faster than even warp travel, Enuncia, the language of creation, and for what seemed like an instant he felt nothing, his heart stopped, his qi stopped, his brain stopped, he stopped so completely that his cells didn't get to die, for their degradation also stopped.
When his senses came back, he was left floating alone in the void, he didn't know how long has passed, but neither the demigoddess or the shard were in sight.
And than it dawned on him, he was alone in the void.
He turned around, desperately searching, realizing much to his horror that he truly couldn't see her.
It wouldn't be problematic normally, any keku that flew to the void memorized the path of any nearby flock world, and when those changed, it tended to happen slowly, being left behind by your world isn't a serious threat to a third step like him, not when he can just move to the path of another world and wait for them to arrive.
That is if you didn't try to catch up to them yourself, for even a second step could easily do so if they used a warp jumps to move, the worlds used the much slower alcubierre flight to move themselves, that is, if you knew where said worlds were.
He calmed himself down, panicking wouldn't do him good.
He sped up and quickly arrived to the clashing site.
The energies here would have made him buckle if he arrived just after the clash, he knew, but the energy was faded.
He could have used it to calculate the amount of time in which he was unconscious, but the language of creation's trace was too persistent to fade so quickly and he had no precise tools to notice the time that passed since it was used, and he had no way to know how much Kutra was wounded here, if she was wounded at all.
He couldn't even find the direction in which Kutra flew, she should have left a trail behind, which means that she engaged in a warp jump, risky, but he would admit he saw no chaos forces prowling nearby.
And the avoidance of flock worlds from entering the warp was more to stop the temptation of the lords from striking at such big targets, rather than any persistent predation, if it was so, the emperor will rip apart their worlds and domains in their distraction, enough focus to threaten a flock world isn't a thing given casually.
No, to get to safety he would need something else, using ships was possible he still knew the destination of the larger flock, but no human ships will take a keku onboard, too risky.
He pulled out a computer from his spatial ring a travel looking at the location of the stars, it made more accurate calculations than he could, through the background radiation and the location of the stars.
A year in keku time, that was how long he was unconscious.
There was a planet suspected to have a webway entrance a few light years from here, and he winced at the range, he was relatively lucky that one was even that close at all, but if he could get in the webway, he will be significantly safer.
The eldars were staunch allies of the keku ever since the imperial family held the lords back in the breaking of Slannash.
Giving the newborn god Ynnead the opening he needed to rip apart his dead brother gods from her stomach, and reviving them for the battle that shattered her power as equal to the other three, weakening her hold of the eldar significantly, even more so than the chain breaking cultivation manual the emperor gifted them already did.
The dark eldar were still a threat, but even they wouldn't make so many enemies lightly by targeting a third step.
There was another thought, could he construct the pill now? He knew that if he did so, a fleet will be his way, the emperor favoured talents, and there is no better way to stand out than that.
But can he survive the tribulation and attention it would bring by himself? He had to decide and fast.
Understandable, considering he took the thing that maintained it, a tiny splatter of the blood of Adzeh, an alien sun god that fell in the chaos wars.
It took decades to locate an unplundered piece of a god corpse, that was the most critical piece in his pill.
But there was still one more, he could transform it into a pill now, he knew that this tiny drop could catapult him to unheard of heights.
With it he could safely seize a piece of a god domain, it will be small now, minor enough so that he wouldn't be subsumed by it.
But with the god's refined domain, he can skip the fifth tribulation, jumping straight to domain sizing from the peak of nascent, it would likewise make advancement much smoother in the divine realms, for a while at least.
There was one problem, he was only at the third step yet, he has held back on raising his final pillar until he could be assured he got the drop, so he can fit it into his core concept, but that wasn't as relevant as the tribulation that seizing a piece of divinity will bring.
He looked at the desolate landscape around him, the land ruined by whatever cataclysm killed the god.
It didn't die here, that's he knew for sure, he wasn't certain about who got their hands on the corpse itself, if any did, but that made any preparation for tribulation even more urgent, he didn't know what enemy he would make when he consumed it.
He looked to the stars and calculated his destination, and than he took off.
He started accelerating, his wings moved but it wasn't just air that moved with them.
Space buckled with every beat of a wing, and soon the air around him caught fire, it didn't touch him, sliding along currents that existed in the fabric of reality.
It wasn't long before he got to the atmosphere and started accelerating.
He left his connection to regular space, and achieved FTL, light warped changing colours as it did, no longer fast enough catch up to him normally.
But it was slow, should he risk a warp jump? He hadn't been certain of the state of the immaterium around here, but it seems relatively quiet, and using jumps could lower the journey from a year to just two months.
It would be a short jump he decided.
And so he turned his wings just so, and flew into the heavens, here it was not space that carried him, but the concept of flight itself, a concept imbued into the keku since the dawn of civilization.
A technique kept a semblance of reality around him for protection, the thing humans called gellar fields, but he knew it wouldn't hold against any serious attack, he wasn't a ship graded Keku after all.
Good thing his destination was close.
Reality broke again and he was back in the material.
He sustained himself on the fasting pills in his spatial ring, he had no time to cultivate, but using the keku's innate gifts didn't take much qi, and he had qi pills for emergencies besides.
But when Kutra came into view for the fifth time he left the heavens, skipping in and out as he was, he realized something was wrong.
In the distance, what seemed like a female Keku fought a silvery winged serpent, one that was slightly smaller than her in length, but much thinner.
Tiny flashes of green and silver blinked in and out around them.
That Keku was his current residence.
Kutra had been drawn out from the rest of the flock worlds by the temptation of a minor breach, coming her to gorge herself on the souls of the warp creatures to come out of it, the same way a regular bird might leave it's flock upon seeing a big group of worms, he had moved here two decades past in anticipation of this detour.
It seemed like a miracle at the time, it wasn't safe for Keku to stay out of the migration paths for long, the lords pounced on every unprotected keku that caught their attention, and the migration paths changed with time besides as part of the time wars.
Entire wars fought in theoretical timelines through precog and limited time travel, and as such, it was rare a world was ever ambushed on it's path in the present, if there was an ambush, the path would be different.
And there weren't many fools who thoughts themselves capable of outmaneuvering the keku.
The only one to do so consistently was the lord of fate.
Was it a trap? Just bad luck? What was a shard of the void dragon doing here.
And than he realized something, he currently wasn't part of the guardian formation, allied technique wouldn't ignore him.
Cease
The Word was screamed into reality, spreading faster than even warp travel, Enuncia, the language of creation, and for what seemed like an instant he felt nothing, his heart stopped, his qi stopped, his brain stopped, he stopped so completely that his cells didn't get to die, for their degradation also stopped.
When his senses came back, he was left floating alone in the void, he didn't know how long has passed, but neither the demigoddess or the shard were in sight.
And than it dawned on him, he was alone in the void.
He turned around, desperately searching, realizing much to his horror that he truly couldn't see her.
It wouldn't be problematic normally, any keku that flew to the void memorized the path of any nearby flock world, and when those changed, it tended to happen slowly, being left behind by your world isn't a serious threat to a third step like him, not when he can just move to the path of another world and wait for them to arrive.
That is if you didn't try to catch up to them yourself, for even a second step could easily do so if they used a warp jumps to move, the worlds used the much slower alcubierre flight to move themselves, that is, if you knew where said worlds were.
He calmed himself down, panicking wouldn't do him good.
He sped up and quickly arrived to the clashing site.
The energies here would have made him buckle if he arrived just after the clash, he knew, but the energy was faded.
He could have used it to calculate the amount of time in which he was unconscious, but the language of creation's trace was too persistent to fade so quickly and he had no precise tools to notice the time that passed since it was used, and he had no way to know how much Kutra was wounded here, if she was wounded at all.
He couldn't even find the direction in which Kutra flew, she should have left a trail behind, which means that she engaged in a warp jump, risky, but he would admit he saw no chaos forces prowling nearby.
And the avoidance of flock worlds from entering the warp was more to stop the temptation of the lords from striking at such big targets, rather than any persistent predation, if it was so, the emperor will rip apart their worlds and domains in their distraction, enough focus to threaten a flock world isn't a thing given casually.
No, to get to safety he would need something else, using ships was possible he still knew the destination of the larger flock, but no human ships will take a keku onboard, too risky.
He pulled out a computer from his spatial ring a travel looking at the location of the stars, it made more accurate calculations than he could, through the background radiation and the location of the stars.
A year in keku time, that was how long he was unconscious.
There was a planet suspected to have a webway entrance a few light years from here, and he winced at the range, he was relatively lucky that one was even that close at all, but if he could get in the webway, he will be significantly safer.
The eldars were staunch allies of the keku ever since the imperial family held the lords back in the breaking of Slannash.
Giving the newborn god Ynnead the opening he needed to rip apart his dead brother gods from her stomach, and reviving them for the battle that shattered her power as equal to the other three, weakening her hold of the eldar significantly, even more so than the chain breaking cultivation manual the emperor gifted them already did.
The dark eldar were still a threat, but even they wouldn't make so many enemies lightly by targeting a third step.
There was another thought, could he construct the pill now? He knew that if he did so, a fleet will be his way, the emperor favoured talents, and there is no better way to stand out than that.
But can he survive the tribulation and attention it would bring by himself? He had to decide and fast.
Another non canonical au omake for fun, this time in the distant future.
In the grim darkness of the far future there are no planets, only giant keku. /J
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[X] just put your ideas here.
-[x] Rapid Explosive Deployment Unit:
A group of cultivators focused solely on speed. Once high value groundbound targets have been identified, the REDU, equipped with the best transport and explosive methods we can built( cultivator- and techwise: for example, giving them pills that make them even faster for a minutte, or containers that increase carrying capacity with minimal slowdown), will fly carefully as close as they can, then accelerate to maximum speeds, unload the primed payload on the target, and flee in all directions.
-The idea is for low level cultivators to use a combi of tech and natural advantage to snipe targets of opportunity with no or limited flight. They are specifically trained to focus on being a better deployment-system for explosives then anything we can currently built.
-its risky, but this is an apocalypse,so yeah
-[x] Rapid Explosive Deployment Unit:
A group of cultivators focused solely on speed. Once high value groundbound targets have been identified, the REDU, equipped with the best transport and explosive methods we can built( cultivator- and techwise: for example, giving them pills that make them even faster for a minutte, or containers that increase carrying capacity with minimal slowdown), will fly carefully as close as they can, then accelerate to maximum speeds, unload the primed payload on the target, and flee in all directions.
-The idea is for low level cultivators to use a combi of tech and natural advantage to snipe targets of opportunity with no or limited flight. They are specifically trained to focus on being a better deployment-system for explosives then anything we can currently built.
-its risky, but this is an apocalypse,so yeah
If we take the deal, would our tech allow us to built bunkers tough enough to withstand lesser demons for some hours?(of course higher demons are out)
-because we could built bunkers near the predicted battkefield with formations that regenerate qi for our cultivators.
-and, if thats possible, maybe a really big bunker for the emperor, thats really just filled with tons of explosives and a hidden escape. As a trap for anyone that tries to catch the tired emperor.
-because we could built bunkers near the predicted battkefield with formations that regenerate qi for our cultivators.
-and, if thats possible, maybe a really big bunker for the emperor, thats really just filled with tons of explosives and a hidden escape. As a trap for anyone that tries to catch the tired emperor.
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Currently from what we know of the enemies, we are dealing with millions of barely formed demons (canon fodder, probably weaker than armed keku), tens of thousands of space Marines (three different legions), around 40 thousands greater demons (not bloodthirsters and such, those are champions, so greater demons in this contest presumably speaks of stuff like daemonettes and bloodletters) and two primarchs.
We would likely also see some actual greater demons (if I would make a bet, I would guess at least one for every god, to lead their forces).
And I speculated that they they would also arrive in ships to attacks us orbitally.
So I can see sufficiently good bunkers withstanding anything but champions theoretically.
Practically, their armies are led by a siegebreaker primarch, and they aren't going to just throw themselves at our guns.
Formations can't regenerate qi as far as I know, no one's we have can at least, places of power can, but my idea for engaging the enemy was more along the lines of feng shui called heaven's shackles we got from omake.
It basically make psyker powers significantly more difficult and dangerous.
This could potentially cripple Tzeench forces in return for slowing down cultivator recovery, because that while it doesn't mess up qi techniques, it does limit cultivation and qi replenishing speed.
Maybe one in the middle of the ocean? Our water insight could potentially let us escape more easily from there than most places, we also need safe space to keep the eternal flames in, and Kuvara when the situation isn't safe (because that while she is string champion, if her avatar die, she wouldn't have anywhere to escape to from the gods and would probably quickly die as well).
A qi regenerating formation should be doable in two decades? Even if we have to just store our own qi for later, havinhg a place to recharge should be useful, especially if we use heavens shackles. And yes, having the emperor set a trap in the ocean where he gas an advantage and none of our enemys specialise in is great.
Our average troops can fly. I really want to take advantage of that, but the best i can think of is massdeployment of mines, chemical weapons that are heavy enough to not reach us, and trapped positions.
I would line to trap only the emoerors position with explosives, so it is less expected.
Especially if we make it seem like his oceanbase is really important.
Cause wounding even a single greater demon is worth more then banishing a thousand normal demons.-From what i understand of the setting
Our average troops can fly. I really want to take advantage of that, but the best i can think of is massdeployment of mines, chemical weapons that are heavy enough to not reach us, and trapped positions.
I would line to trap only the emoerors position with explosives, so it is less expected.
Especially if we make it seem like his oceanbase is really important.
Cause wounding even a single greater demon is worth more then banishing a thousand normal demons.-From what i understand of the setting