Distant Stars. (a WH40K/Xianxia civ Quest).
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Roth963
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We might be able to do it this turn, just increase mass prayer importance, is it possible @uri, it is 12.666 divine qi for all second steps, does increasing prayer to second minimal investment be enough to cover it, it doesn't break the deal right?
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I'll rule that as part of the deal okertaku would give your second steps tribulation assistance.
Roth963
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To argue for my plan over the other one, the biggest difference is that power armour is being moved from the middle and into the lowest point that isn't prayers.
I would argue it is had, because that while we do know that two decades is enough to outfit all our champions, it relies on our champions not growing in numbers, and well, we have 19 attempted ascensions now, and potentially more if we successfully find the demonic cultivators and extract their pillars.
We need more power armours.
I would argue it is had, because that while we do know that two decades is enough to outfit all our champions, it relies on our champions not growing in numbers, and well, we have 19 attempted ascensions now, and potentially more if we successfully find the demonic cultivators and extract their pillars.
We need more power armours.
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Ah, that makes it a non-issue then.
Hopefully all goes well. We're betting heavily on asteroid mining becoming profitable before the apocalypse begins, and on hopefully being able to delay it by a turn or two through that heaven research project.
Just to clarify, many of the projects this turn say things like "it will be done in a decade" or " in 2 centuries" and so on.
Is that assuming a static economy, or is it taking into consideration the predicted growth from our upkeep and values going down as we get through the worst of the uplift?
Also is it considering or ignoring the imperial projects next turn, which I assume would allow to further accelerate the timeline as long as we invested more in the projects?
Hopefully all goes well. We're betting heavily on asteroid mining becoming profitable before the apocalypse begins, and on hopefully being able to delay it by a turn or two through that heaven research project.
Just to clarify, many of the projects this turn say things like "it will be done in a decade" or " in 2 centuries" and so on.
Is that assuming a static economy, or is it taking into consideration the predicted growth from our upkeep and values going down as we get through the worst of the uplift?
Also is it considering or ignoring the imperial projects next turn, which I assume would allow to further accelerate the timeline as long as we invested more in the projects?
To be fair, even with all the help we can offer, it's unlikely we'll get more than 3 champions out of this attempt. I suppose maybe 5 or 6 if we include Broken we could have Kuvara fix into her chosen ones.
Ignoring, many of the projects this time around are just creating production lines and estimating how long it would take to refurbish your forces with them. add more production lines (IE: invest more next turn) and things would accelerate.
[X] plan preparing for the endgame
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eh, that argument can be used for basically everything.
The more we invest now AND later, the more we get out of all of this.
We'll definitely need even more Artillery, hovercraft, infrantry equipment, militia equipment, aircraft and so on next turn too, after all.
At least we can be confident none of this equipment will become obsolete anytime soon. It will take decades if not centuries for us to advance BEYOND tech tier 20, and even if the equipment becomes better while staying in the same tier, we need so much of EVERYTHING that nothing we make will become obsolete.
And of course the Apocalypse will happen in 1 to 4 decades at most (not counting this turn), so any major reorganization can wait until AFTER that.
I imagine we might scale down the army at that point, as long as we can be reasonably confident there won't be a round 2 right after. There will be a LOT of reconstruction to be done... and maybe some terraforming, depending on how bad things get.
You don't actually have all that much Keku at arms right now, for largely economic reasons, you only have like around 750k~ keku at arms if were taking count of both the garrisons and the legions.
Of course, that's labile to change as you start mobilizing and training as the apocalypse inches closer.
Roth963
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Hovercraft aren't that critical, because aside from being significantly smaller boost over other vehicles than the other options boost our forces over their current form, we can refit all our forces by the end of turn sixteen.
For aircrafts, I completely agree it is absolutely critical, I just don't think we are ready to do it yet, and that too much effort now will be wasted, when we instead should put great effort after our engineers are more experienced, and focus out efforts on stuff they can do good work in now.
The rest are above it in importance.
I think the main argument here is between it and militants equipment, and I think properly equipping our cultivator forces is more important than weapons for the militants, it would be our cultivators that would be dealing with units that didn't fall to the artillery and backing us against (real) greater demons and primarchs.
Temporary threadmark: insight use.
Okey I'm going ahead and closing the vote and we'll move right on ahead to ask if you want to use your first core insight this turn. As a reminder you are at 20% and the floor is 15%, every turn Chaos is reduced by 5% and using the insight costs 5% chaos.
This means that the first use is "free" but you could let your chaos dissipate.
[] don't use the insight.
[] Use the insight.
-[] pick 7 objects to look at.
This means that the first use is "free" but you could let your chaos dissipate.
[] don't use the insight.
[] Use the insight.
-[] pick 7 objects to look at.
Roth963
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I think we should use it, and nice, seven uses, my vote is thus
[X] Plan tribulation study
-[X] The Perpetual (including slightly damaging him to see him regenerate and giving him awakening pill)
-[X] Studying tribulation of a second step (we heal at the end of the turn, do it only when the last wounds disappeared)
-[X] Heavens remains research
-[X] Studying the lifespan formation as soon as it is developed in an attempt to refine it (in preparation for using it)
-[X] if we see someone using demonic cultivation, use it to study that, if we have any demonic cultiavtors captured, try to trick them into eating a condemned criminal in a way that make them think they chose to do it, if we find hideouts with our divination, do your best to catch them in the act of feeding.
-[X] if the demonic cultiavtors summon a demon, scan him, if they don't, try to summon a deva of Kuvara to study, look for weaknesses in warp entities (particularly those aligned with the four, if it is a demon).
-[X] the demonic sword (keep Kuvara (and Okerteru if possible) nearby ready to cleanse heart demons in case any appear)
Potential uses if any pick is unviable, or determined too unsafe to try considering the knowledge we have of the lords and Shitaku's own confidence in his abilities (basically letting Shitaku decide if he thinks he can study the sword), by order of importance
--[X] if we can complete the catch-up action line by piling all the books containing the information (potentially in microscopic writing if it is too much information to fit in our range, since our reading is accurate enough to see DNA) and get it all in one go, do it.
--[X] Wounds of heaven (to try to counter their resistance to healing techniques and such)
--[X] flames of desire we can control through our insight
--[X] the divine heart flames we use
--[X] guy we infused divine qi in
--[X] our open meridians
The focus of this plan is pretty simple, viable knowledge for the apocalypse, mostly focus on tribulation stuff, but also getting our look at the perpetual, trying to look at a warp entity with our insight (which I hope is possible considering the divine qi knowledge Okerteru gave us, summoning demons should be easy when their god and them cooperate, right?) and most critically, looking at the sword, this is the most risky pick, but considering we would soon by using our insight on greater daemons and Daemon primarchs, looking at demonic stuff in controlled environment.
The sword got 2 more secrets hidden from us, potentially on par with refined materials, now is the time to take this risk, we need a way to partly blind this insight in the apocalypse if we do want to use it and it is dangerous.
[X] Plan tribulation study
-[X] The Perpetual (including slightly damaging him to see him regenerate and giving him awakening pill)
-[X] Studying tribulation of a second step (we heal at the end of the turn, do it only when the last wounds disappeared)
-[X] Heavens remains research
-[X] Studying the lifespan formation as soon as it is developed in an attempt to refine it (in preparation for using it)
-[X] if we see someone using demonic cultivation, use it to study that, if we have any demonic cultiavtors captured, try to trick them into eating a condemned criminal in a way that make them think they chose to do it, if we find hideouts with our divination, do your best to catch them in the act of feeding.
-[X] if the demonic cultiavtors summon a demon, scan him, if they don't, try to summon a deva of Kuvara to study, look for weaknesses in warp entities (particularly those aligned with the four, if it is a demon).
-[X] the demonic sword (keep Kuvara (and Okerteru if possible) nearby ready to cleanse heart demons in case any appear)
Potential uses if any pick is unviable, or determined too unsafe to try considering the knowledge we have of the lords and Shitaku's own confidence in his abilities (basically letting Shitaku decide if he thinks he can study the sword), by order of importance
--[X] if we can complete the catch-up action line by piling all the books containing the information (potentially in microscopic writing if it is too much information to fit in our range, since our reading is accurate enough to see DNA) and get it all in one go, do it.
--[X] Wounds of heaven (to try to counter their resistance to healing techniques and such)
--[X] flames of desire we can control through our insight
--[X] the divine heart flames we use
--[X] guy we infused divine qi in
--[X] our open meridians
The focus of this plan is pretty simple, viable knowledge for the apocalypse, mostly focus on tribulation stuff, but also getting our look at the perpetual, trying to look at a warp entity with our insight (which I hope is possible considering the divine qi knowledge Okerteru gave us, summoning demons should be easy when their god and them cooperate, right?) and most critically, looking at the sword, this is the most risky pick, but considering we would soon by using our insight on greater daemons and Daemon primarchs, looking at demonic stuff in controlled environment.
The sword got 2 more secrets hidden from us, potentially on par with refined materials, now is the time to take this risk, we need a way to partly blind this insight in the apocalypse if we do want to use it and it is dangerous.
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Doing what exactly? You don't really have anything to perceive there unless you want to try looking at her?
Roth963
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I will remove it than, thought that maybe looking at the techniques we develop could help.
Roth963
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I kind of wonder about something, what happens to the souls of any cultiavtors that die to tribulation, can Kuvara get at least some of them? Do they make good deva? What happens to our connection to them if they do become a deva, what happens to our connection to them if they are reborn, are random babies technically our students because they were cultiavtors in former lives?
The vote is going to remain open for at least another few days as the next part doesn't require me to close it.
Feel free to vote whenever.
The rolls above are in fact for the demonic cultivators. They are for divination, detection, containment, resolution and loot (in that order).
I think I talked about this before but every turn you get detection rolls to see if you find something, which then give you containment rolls to see if you can nip things in the bud (or weaken things) and the resolution roll is to determine the final result and damage inflected on the empire.
You also get loot rolls 3 to see if you find any artifacts and another 2 to see if you managed to harvest anything useful form the bodies.
Feel free to vote whenever.
The rolls above are in fact for the demonic cultivators. They are for divination, detection, containment, resolution and loot (in that order).
I think I talked about this before but every turn you get detection rolls to see if you find something, which then give you containment rolls to see if you can nip things in the bud (or weaken things) and the resolution roll is to determine the final result and damage inflected on the empire.
You also get loot rolls 3 to see if you find any artifacts and another 2 to see if you managed to harvest anything useful form the bodies.
[X] Plan tribulation study
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so each collection of rolls is for a different category?
is the divination using 5d10s instead of d100s because it's being done by someone other than Shikatu? Or do they just work differently?
Or maybe I misunderstood, the D10s are for the general results in the category, and the other d100s are follow-up stuff?
Each collection of rolls is for a different category, divination is 5d10 (shiaktu would have been 15d10) because divination which helps event/war/battle types of rolls functions differently.
Instead of it just being a roll, I roll a certain number of dice and then distribute them as a bonus randomly for the other rolls. Of course, adding divination also shifts some DC around and can counter some penalties beyond just adding a bonus.
Roth963
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So pretty average rolls I will say, but not too bad, it seems we found them, got pretty high containment, but got relatively lower rolls with the loot.
Which is still good, it seems my plan was effective, thanks given to our divine flames, already showing their worth the first turn we have them, and poor demonic cultiavtors, they were doing so well, until Shitaku shrugged and just used divination.
There might be still more out there, 51 isn't that good of a roll, but I suspect we gave them heavy blow.
Also, @uri, in case you missed my question.
They are claimed by the four, Kuvara might be able to fight for them but till now she hadn't managed it.
In any case when they die the connection snaps (this is true for all deaths).
Roth963
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Ouch, is there a way to increase Kuvara's claim before it, like religious rituals and such, her blessing them with her power and so on?
Will she be able to empower priests or champions when Okerteru leaves? Or is that more advanced than what she learned yet?
Also, can she see the astronomicon, asking out of curiosity to see if Emp might see the invasion and if we are in range.
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