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Crystalwatcher's Magical Girl Quest!

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BoundaryPhantasm said:
Do the others fraction have anythings similar? I mean what makes the nuke so terrifying beside its sheer firepower is the amount humanity can make and bring to bare in a short amount of time. I mean if the other fraction in the LDC were attack by a divide being, not borderline, do they have anything to handle such being? Humanity answer to such being are nukes after all.
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Nope.
UberJJK said:
Are you sure about this? Familiar's timeline has "Suddenly Demon!" occurring two years after the unification crusade occurred, which itself happened post-WWIII. What's more since Hope was already in the process of colonization apparently humanity had already recovered enough that there were enough spare resources to start building a new colony capable of supporting over a billion people when it fell just two/three years later.
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The Unification Crusade is what ended WWIII. And most of Hopes population lived in what were basically pre-industrial farming communities, mining/logging communities and relatively simple cities.
UberJJK said:
I suppose it depends upon how devastating the war was. Europe was basically back to pre-WWII levels by 1950 according to my googling and that was a very damaging war.
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Pretty bad. Good chunks of Europe and Asia were levelled.
UberJJK said:
I could certainly see such a time of joy and peace leading to accelerated disarmament. Just three problems however;

1) Disarmament takes time.

It took the USA thirty five years to go from 27,000 nukes down to ~5,000. Even Russia took 22 years to go from 40,000 down to 5,000. In 2003 the USA and Russia each had 10,000 nukes. So assuming they didn't fire any, fairly reasonable, during WWIII then even optimistically we're talking a decade to disarm all the nukes.

2) Disarmament doesn't actually mean disarmament.

A nuclear weapon is generally considered disarmed not when it's destroyed but when it's rendered inoperable. Basically what the USA and Russia would do is simply remove the fissionable core from the weapon and store them separately. At which point they can truthfully, but not accurately, claim the weapon has been rendered inoperable. From this state it's a fairly simply process to just reinsert the core back into the weapon and have it fully functional again.
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Unless by "disarmament," they mean something like "dumped into a decaying orbit around a sun."
UberJJK said:
The only difficult part is getting a hold of sufficient amounts of weapons grade nuclear material.
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Personally, I think that'd be where the difficulty lies: if they shut-down the places where you could refine the need material, they have to remake them. And sure, they could use magic for it, but do you really want a spell or magic ritual that produces weapons grade nuclear material existing?
 
Gore17 said:
Unless by "disarmament," they mean something like "dumped into a decaying orbit around a sun."
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Actually it's easier to send something out of the solar system then it is to send it into the sun:


Gore17 said:
Personally, I think that'd be where the difficulty lies: if they shut-down the places where you could refine the need material, they have to remake them.
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The exact same technology required to enrich uranium for use in nuclear reactors is used to enrich it for use in nuclear weapons. It's just a matter of how many times you run the uranium through the centrifuge. So unless they also shut down all the nuclear power plants, which would include every submarine and carrier in the US Navy, the centrifuges would still be operational.
 
UberJJK said:
Actually it's easier to send something out of the solar system then it is to send it into the sun:
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I was thinking of using a portal, actually.
UberJJK said:
The exact same technology required to enrich uranium for use in nuclear reactors is used to enrich it for use in nuclear weapons. It's just a matter of how many times you run the uranium through the centrifuge. So unless they also shut down all the nuclear power plants, which would include every submarine and carrier in the US Navy, the centrifuges would still be operational.
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I know, and I was thinking that. Mainly because that, with magic, they likely have better alternatives.
 
crystalwatcher said:
The Fragarach and Brahmastras are literally the only nuclear weapons we have left. The Counter Force are scrambling to see if the blueprints for any others are still around, but it's not looking good. So, for now we're stuck with the nukes left over from the initial fusing of Technology and Magic. We've tested newer versions recently, but nothing really serious.
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That makes so little sense, the blue prints would not be destroyed and if they were its not hard to redesign them and i cant imagination Gaia letting her weapons lose the ability to produce or use there most powerful weapon. I could see a state of disarmament happening, with the most devastating being broken down and the more useful strategic weapons being placed in a bunker somewhere in case humanity encounter a alien race. People are already fearful of that, and with the ability to cross dimensions it would be come a much more plausible threat.

I could then see the UD getting a early 'crippling' hit in that destroyed the stocks and manufacturing faculties as the Pillar was not guarding them from the UD properly, after that they become far more paranoid and are desperately trying to recover.

Gore17 said:
The main difficulty with fusion is making it not self-replicating, self-sustaining or simply ensuring it won't blow up the planet during small-scale testing. :V
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Then don't use magic, pure H bombs would not do that and even if it lacks the cataclysmic effects of the magitech ones they would be relatively easy to make and are still monstrously powerful.

crystalwatcher said:
That, and Cosmos doesn't like it when people call her fat when she "isn't".
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... i have no idea how to react to that statement, my mind froze trying to picture the situation. I want to laugh but it dose not fit with my feelings. And i cant worked out what the sizes of the planes has to do with her as i thought the LDC was like a single cell to Cosmos, the mental images are ludicrous.

Thank you oh mighty GM, you have broken my mind. I cant fathom this statement and conceptualize the idea of the embodiment of existence getting annoyed at being called fat in a way i cant picture.

Congratulations, you win.
 
Gore17 said:
...To make it clear, all modern nuclear weapon designs incorporate magic. And that was predominately a joke.
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I know that all modern nukes use magic but i was not sure how much of the post was based in fact. So for all i know mixing magic into a H bomb could very well be too dangerous. But the point i tried to make there the point was in that case there is no reason why (from what i know) that the counter force could not make non-magic H bombs if they could do it quicker then making more magitech nukes. The physics and equations for them would not be lost and the principles are not difficult even if it may take some time to start production. Depends on humanities production capacity and what is easier.
 
UberJJK said:
...please read up on nuclear weapons. They are very easy to build. They are frighteningly easy to build. The only difficult part is getting a hold of sufficient amounts of weapons grade nuclear material.

To give you an idea of just how easy they are I'm going to tell you how to build one:
  1. Acquire 64kg of enriched uranium.
  2. Form 38.5kg into a hollow cylinder and the remaining 25.5kg into a solid rod designed to fit into the hollow cylinder.
  3. Place the rod at the bottom of a 2m gun barrel.
  4. Place the hollow cylinder at the top of the gun barrel.
  5. Behind the hollow cylinder put some C4.
  6. Place a thick backer behind the C4 such that instead of exploding the barrel it forces the hollow cylinder down the barrel and onto the rod.
  7. Rig up some kind of detonation system for the C4.
  8. Congratulations! You now have a 15kt nuclear bomb.
Where did I get my numbers from? The plans for Little Boy (Hiroshima bomb) are on Wikipedia. Lots of details on building nuclear weapons are actually easily available online because it's really not that hard. The problem is, as I said at the start, getting you're hands on the materials.

There is a reason people are terrified of terrorists building nuclear weapons; because all they need is the refined Uranium/Plutonium.
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UberJJK said:
The exact same technology required to enrich uranium for use in nuclear reactors is used to enrich it for use in nuclear weapons. It's just a matter of how many times you run the uranium through the centrifuge. So unless they also shut down all the nuclear power plants, which would include every submarine and carrier in the US Navy, the centrifuges would still be operational.
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diesel366 said:
That makes so little sense, the blue prints would not be destroyed and if they were its not hard to redesign them and i cant imagination Gaia letting her weapons lose the ability to produce or use there most powerful weapon. I could see a state of disarmament happening, with the most devastating being broken down and the more useful strategic weapons being placed in a bunker somewhere in case humanity encounter a alien race. People are already fearful of that, and with the ability to cross dimensions it would be come a much more plausible threat.
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Huh. All good points. I'll just scratch that part out then.

UberJJK said:
Are you sure about this? Familiar's timeline has "Suddenly Demon!" occurring two years after the unification crusade occurred, which itself happened post-WWIII. What's more since Hope was already in the process of colonization apparently humanity had already recovered enough that there were enough spare resources to start building a new colony capable of supporting over a billion people when it fell just two/three years later.
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Gore17 said:
The Unification Crusade is what ended WWIII. And most of Hopes population lived in what were basically pre-industrial farming communities, mining/logging communities and relatively simple cities.
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More or less what Gore said.

Elysium was Hope's only real city, and it had a population somewhere around 150,000 people. The rest of the colony's population was made up of mining and farming communities. Huge groups of people that were just out there to gather natural resources.

Three of Hope's "cities" were actually nothing more than titanic dedicated mining complexes for lack of a better description. Pretty much everything was built directly atop/next to/in the mines. Which thanks to magic actually made it possible in the first place.

diesel366 said:
... i have no idea how to react to that statement, my mind froze trying to picture the situation. I want to laugh but it dose not fit with my feelings. And i cant worked out what the sizes of the planes has to do with her as i thought the LDC was like a single cell to Cosmos, the mental images are ludicrous.

Thank you oh mighty GM, you have broken my mind. I cant fathom this statement and conceptualize the idea of the embodiment of existence getting annoyed at being called fat in a way i cant picture.

Congratulations, you win.
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Umm... thanks? I think?

UberJJK said:
1) Disarmament takes time.

It took the USA thirty five years to go from 27,000 nukes down to ~5,000. Even Russia took 22 years to go from 40,000 down to 5,000. In 2003 the USA and Russia each had 10,000 nukes. So assuming they didn't fire any, fairly reasonable, during WWIII then even optimistically we're talking a decade to disarm all the nukes.

2) Disarmament doesn't actually mean disarmament.

A nuclear weapon is generally considered disarmed not when it's destroyed but when it's rendered inoperable. Basically what the USA and Russia would do is simply remove the fissionable core from the weapon and store them separately. At which point they can truthfully, but not accurately, claim the weapon has been rendered inoperable. From this state it's a fairly simply process to just reinsert the core back into the weapon and have it fully functional again.
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I'm more picturing the Akashic Pillar outright dismantling many of the warheads for use in other systems, but I get what you're saying.
 
crystalwatcher said:
I'm more picturing the Akashic Pillar outright dismantling many of the warheads for use in other systems, but I get what you're saying.
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Hmm, it's likely that the dismantling was "encouraged" by Gaia, lest humanity destroy itself by accident.

With Gaia possibly being "encouraged" by the White Kindgom/Solar-class Divine Entities, who were rather annoyed.
 
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UberJJK said:
1) Disarmament takes time.
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UberJJK said:
2) Disarmament doesn't actually mean disarmament.
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Good points on both of these, but a minor quibble - both of these issues are caused and/or governed by politics, not physics. Given the right post-war political party and demand, it would be a simple (if monumental) task to separate the 'trigger' device from a nuclear weapon from it's payload, and a somewhat-less-trivial (and even more monumental) to remove and repurpose the fissile material. If, at the same time a nuclear deescalation program was running, Earth's rebuilding efforts were shifting to creating industry, and therefore massive power generators, I could easily see a dearth of fissile material being available to the Akashic Pillar - and more, the lack of a political will to restart a nuclear weapon program from the survivors of WWIII.
 
(Unified Light) Magical Girl Warped Mirror

Miku Kohinata
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Stats

Health: 500
Base Damage: 350
Base Resilience: 250
Magic Modifier: 450

Affinity: Annihilation | Distortion | Myth
Weapon


Shénshòujìng
Level 5
Attacks Per Turn: 3
Affinities: Annihilation | Distortion
Ability: Spell Boost | Multi-Form | Erase

Dress Cables
Level 5
Attacks Per Turn: 2
Affinities: Distortion
Ability: Double Hit
Spells

Shanguang
Level 5
Base Damage: 250
Magic Modifier: 250
Affinity: Annihilation
Ability: Danmaku | Erase

Liuxing
Level 5
Base Damage: 1000
Magic Modifier: 1000
Affinity: Annihilation
Ability: Juggernaut | Spell-Stop | Ray
Abilities

Grand Regalia: Level 5
-Controls HP and Resilience.

Flight: Level 5
-Magical Girl Warped Mirror can fly at 40 MPH.

Resplendent Mirror Ring: Level 50
-Every attack aimed at Warped Mirror must roll a 1d100 (Difficulty: 50) in order to land a hit. Any attack that fails this roll is reflected back at the source.

Hall of Endless Reflection: Level 5
-Every turn, Warped Mirror generates 5 mirrors. These mirrors have 50 HP, 50 Base Resilience, and 1 attack per turn, using Warped Mirror's Base Damage. They are autonomous and have a level of Flight equal to Warped Mirror's own. The Mirrors automatically synchronize attacks with each-other and Warped Mirror.

Inverse Refraction
-Warped Mirror can create illusions and render herself invisible, as well as see through the aforementioned.

Harsh Light of Dawn
-When facing a Magical Girl, Warped Mirror's attacks are treated as having the Slayer Ability associated with the target's affinities, Primordia, and the Sunder ability. When engaged in an Intercept conflict by a Magical Girl or Magical Girl weapon, Warped Mirror wins.
 
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Forgot to underline the ability names (which is admittedly a very minor nitpick).
LostDeviljho said:
Resplendent Mirror Ring: Level 50
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That's a lot of XP, but not unheard of.
LostDeviljho said:
Hall of Endless Reflection: Level 5
-Every turn, Warped Mirror generates 5 mirrors. These mirrors have 50 HP, 50 Base Resilience, and 1 attack per turn, using Warped Mirror's Base Damage. They are autonomous and have a level of Flight equal to Warped Mirror's own. The Mirrors automatically synchronize attacks with each-other and Warped Mirror.
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This would be really freaking terrifying in the hands of players who can level stuff up as they see fit.
LostDeviljho said:
When engaged in an Intercept conflict by a Magical Girl or Magical Girl weapon, Warped Mirror wins.
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How would damage be calculated for this? Is that "if you lose, reduce the incoming damage by your own damage output" effect negated?

Also, what does Sunder do? I don't see it in the ability bible.
 
what happens when a magical girls weapon gets destroyed? is it gone forever? till you get it repaired? til you re transform?
 
jaiveer00 said:
what happens when a magical girls weapon gets destroyed? is it gone forever? till you get it repaired? til you re transform?
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justinkal said:
What even happens to a Magical Girl when their inherent weapon gets destroyed? Does it respawn eventually or something?
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LostDeviljho said:
I honestly don't know, Crys has never said.
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I seem to remember reading that our own weapon got smashed at some point early on-ish, and we still seem to have a weapon right now. Of course, I could well be mistaken.
 
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