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Chronicles of Nations Redux - Civ Quest

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Urth is the Big Guy in the Lowlands now and Zarannist doctrine is basically "kill the Big Guy in charge so that you can become the Big Guy in charge". Remember the Zarannists slave uprisings in the last thread? It's not so much "helping us" as it's pressing their buttons in order to get them to go after Urth instead of us this time.

But hey, you can just ignore them again and give Urth the time to work them over to his side instead.
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Zarranist doctrine is "do whatever you can to get ahead" and "preying on the weak is justified because you are strong".
Remember when they attacked us? They did that out of their perception that we were weak, not out of the perception that we were strong.
 
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Look, I get the idea of being cautious and not rushing things and making sure we're ready. It's my preferred play style even. Just sit in my own little corner and build up in peace and let things come to me. However. Now is definitely not the time for that. Our greatest enemy has been forced out into the open away from his home turf with his army mauled and his infrastructure burning, our biggest rival has had its own military gutted, infrastructure highly damaged and its subordinates are highly discontent. And they are now one and the same.

I cannot understate just how big this opening, this opportunity, is for us right now. We are perfectly posistioned, with our still robust and now veteran military along with our new understanding of logistics, to knock them both out right now. We don't need to wait and rebuild our forces, we don't need outside assistance from other factions. The sooner we hit the more unprepared they will be for us. The longer we wait the longer Urth has time to rebuild and prepare.

The best way we can hit them is by using our Diplomatic Hero, who is also very experienced with interacting with the lowland peoples, to sow discontent in their upset subordinates both to weaken them further and to occupy their attention from rebuilding and to buy us time so we can launch a full scale invasion with our Main Turn Actions instead of our lesser Mid-Turn Action. Especially sense the Forden have a new Martial hero. Better to have him attack our enemies than attacking us.
 
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@Oshha just for clarification, is the action to sent out diplo feelers towards the Zaradysh/Nomads one with the intent on having them assist us against the Caradysh in the near future, or is it an action with now specific intent?
 
Raichu1972 said:
@Oshha just for clarification, is the action to sent out diplo feelers towards the Zaradysh/Nomads one with the intent on having them assist us against the Caradysh in the near future, or is it an action with now specific intent?
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It has no specific intent behind it and it more of reaching out to see where they stand and hopefully form some positive diplomatic relations.
 
[] [React] Finish the work on the Sacred Forest.
[][React] Begin construction of the Stone Wall.

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[X] [React] Finish the work on the Sacred Forest.

Priest faction quest(reward +1 Stab). Also a completed Megaproject in case any Terra Incognita faction is currently working on the Sacred Forest.

IIRC the Sacred Forest unlocked to the Arthwyd in the first Chronicles of Nations after the Arthwyd concluded that the forest spirits of the Caradysh were evil malicious things. Combined with the Martial cost, it's possible that the Sacred Forest could have some Martial applications even though the Arthwyd aren't forest-dwellers..
Edit: Mostly because we'd be finishing it in the immediate wake of a war though. /endEdit

That said, I wouldn't mind:
[] [React] Encourage the Forden and Fornn to rebel against Galdae.
[X][React] Begin construction of the Stone Wall.

to hopefully prevent the Forluc from obtaining the Stone Wall megaproject bonus.

Given our current Martial, I'd rather not try to complete the Warrior quest by attacking the Forluc. If we want to do that? We should probably take:
[] [React] Make effort to expand the military long term.
first, especially since it appears to be a MAIN action.
Andres110 said:
If we finish the Sacred Forest now, the Infrastructure passive will make more forest instead of a palisade next turn. That means if we want a free innovation, we have to spend a Secondary action building a palisade. The best thing to do is wait for a little bit. Our Megaproject policy will finish the Sacred Forest next turn automatically. Everything will be fine, all we need is a little patience.
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Forest and Palisade are both physical infrastructure. Unless the Forest counts as Administrative infrastructure(due to being land management). Physical infrastructure takes priority.
"Will" is the wrong word here. It's more accurate to say that the passive might make more forest instead of a palisade next turn.

Also, both the quest itself and actions like Stone Wall/War Party may very well weigh the passive policy towards palisades.
 
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Qeqre said:
Also a completed Megaproject in case any Terra Incognita faction is currently working on the Sacred Forest.
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Eh, we don't lose out on a Megaproject if a faction we don't know exists builds it. This isn't like in Civilization, it only happens if a faction we have contact with builds a Megaproject before us.
 
Qeqre said:
Also a completed Megaproject in case any Terra Incognita faction is currently working on the Sacred Forest.
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Random Member said:
Eh, we don't lose out on a Megaproject if a faction we don't know exists builds it. This isn't like in Civilization, it only happens if a faction we have contact with builds a Megaproject before us.
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To clarify, you only lose a Megaproject option if a faction you know about complete first, you encounter a faction which has already completed or your civ no longer meets the requirements to do the megaproject such as losing the technology required for it.
 
Oshha said:
To clarify, you only lose a Megaproject option if a faction you know about complete first, you encounter a faction which has already completed or your civ no longer meets the requirements to do the megaproject such as losing the technology required for it.
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Fair enough.

Makes it less likely for us to lose the opportunity.
Not impossible, just less likely.
 
Another reason to do Forden and Fornn right now is that it's Forden and Fornn. A Trade Expedition action can only target one faction at a time, but right now we have the opportunity to target both for a single action. It's a very good deal and one we won't get on the main turn.
 
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Andres110 said:
Another reason to do Forden and Fornn right now is that it's Forden and Fornn. A Trade Expedition action can only target one faction at a time, but right now we have the opportunity to target both for a single action. It's a very good deal and one we won't get on the main turn.
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We're quite clearly using two actions for every option presented. That's why we can target both the Zaradysh and the Boarfolk with only one option.
 
Random Member said:
We're quite clearly using two actions for every option presented. That's why we can target both the Zaradysh and the Boarfolk with only one option.
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No, it's not for every action. It's only beginning construction on the Stone Wall, not doing it all in one go. The double actions seem to be only for the actions that fall under Blodwyn's specialties; she's got Excellent Martial and Heroic Diplomacy so we get Main Train Sacred Warriors and two Trade Expeditions.
 
Qeqre said:
[X] [React] Finish the work on the Sacred Forest.

Priest faction quest(reward +1 Stab). Also a completed Megaproject in case any Terra Incognita faction is currently working on the Sacred Forest.

IIRC the Sacred Forest unlocked to the Arthwyd in the first Chronicles of Nations after the Arthwyd concluded that the forest spirits of the Caradysh were evil malicious things. Combined with the Martial cost, it's possible that the Sacred Forest could have some Martial applications even though the Arthwyd aren't forest-dwellers..
Edit: Mostly because we'd be finishing it in the immediate wake of a war though. /endEdit

That said, I wouldn't mind:
[X] [React] Encourage the Forden and Fornn to rebel against Galdae.
[X][React] Begin construction of the Stone Wall.

to hopefully prevent the Forluc from obtaining the Stone Wall megaproject bonus.

Given our current Martial, I'd rather not try to complete the Warrior quest by attacking the Forluc. If we want to do that? We should probably take:
[] [React] Make effort to expand the military long term.
first, especially since it appears to be a MAIN action.

Forest and Palisade are both physical infrastructure. Unless the Forest counts as Administrative infrastructure(due to being land management). Physical infrastructure takes priority.
"Will" is the wrong word here. It's more accurate to say that the passive might make more forest instead of a palisade next turn.

Also, both the quest itself and actions like Stone Wall/War Party may very well weigh the passive policy towards palisades.
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We'll be finishing the Sacred Forest next turn regardless with out Province Action set to megaprojects.
 
HanEmpire said:
Provinces might follow our lead and do the Wall instead if we go with that.
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Well that's if we do a Wall Action next turn or now. Right now I would actually prefer allowing the Province Action do its own thing while we dedicate all of our actions next turn to attacking the Forluc/Caradysh.

Edit: Plus doing the forest nets us a +1 to our Stability via Priest Quest.
 
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