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[] [GA] Unlock the Dockyard Megaproject. (Temp Mystic-, Temp Culture-)

I want to get the Dockyard design and start on the Port megaproject this turn, should help us support our latest colony, speaking of which we should support our lastest colony to get it to grow faster and complete a quest. We will want to jump on that new silverine mine ASAP as well.
 
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[X] [GA] Unlock the Great Library Megaproject. (Temp Mystic, Temp Culture-)

This will synergize well with our Universal Education.

[X] [MAIN] Sewers
[X] [MAIN] Plant Sacred Forests

[X] [SEC] Change up to two Passive Policies (13/13)
-[X] Empire x2 to x1 Black Soil, x1 Study
 
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[X] [GA] Unlock the Market Megaproject. (Temp Mystic-, Temp Wealth-)
[X] [GA] Unlock the Great Library Megaproject. (Temp Mystic, Temp Culture-)
[X] [GA] Unlock the Dockyard Megaproject. (Temp Mystic-, Temp Culture-)

Changed vote for actions.
[X] [MAIN] Sewers
[X] [MAIN] Plant Sacred Forests
[X] [SEC] Support Subordinate = (Morydwyd)
[X] [SEC] More Messengers.
[X] [SEC] Build Library = (Eastern Rock River)


[] [MAIN] Develop Mine = Sunrise Mountains
[] [MAIN] Public Education
Not the full allotment of actions obviously but I think it would be nice to at least start a megaproject and focus on getting access to all the resources we can.
 
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jjffjhjf said:
Seems like we want to cap out libraries and academies before doing public education.
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You don't necessarily have to cap them out, but having more libraries and academies helps when it comes to teaching kids across the entire Arthwyd Empire or at least its Arthwydish parts.
 
[X] [GA] Unlock the Dockyard Megaproject. (Temp Mystic-, Temp Culture-)

[X] [SEC] Develop Mithril Mine = (Sunrise Mountains)
[X] [SEC] Support Subordinate = Morydwyd
[X] [SEC] Expand Econ
[X] [SEC] Plant Cash Crops
[X] [SEC] Trade Expedition = (Bruraysh)
[X] [MAIN] Port

Ok so here I build a Mithril mine, support our small isolated vulnerable colony, build the port, trade with the guys we reached out to after fighting against them in the last war, earn a little Econ and work towards the traderist faction quest which gives a free academy. I want to let our academic infrastructure spread a little more before kicking off public education.
 
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jjffjhjf said:
We had 11 last turn didn't we?
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nat_401 said:
We had 11/10 subordinates and 1 colony last turn, we have 10 subordinates and 2 colony's this turn, I think the empower Cadlon action gave us another colony slot bringing us back under our vassal limit.
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No, I just realised that getting a fifth colony should have gotten you another free Colony slot from upgrading one of your Legacies.
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[X] [SEC] Develop Mine = Sunrise Mountains
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You need to specify which mine in the Sunrise Mountains you want to be built.
 
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Oshha said:
I was tempted to have deaths of Evatine and the two expeditions result in the Golden Age ending, but I figured that would be too unfair after a single turn of having it and the Arthwyd are pretty stable as a society so they can weather some hits like this.
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Yeah, having them be the end of a golden age wouldn't have been good. Golden ages happen because of the continued happiness and prosperity of a civilisation, and while Evatine's death would've been a sad moment, it still overall would've been a happy and prosperous time for the Arthwyd. Those expeditions didn't end well, but they were very far from being the kind of thing that affects a civilisation as a whole like plague, climate change, or war do. (And hell, some of those expeditions did go well!)
 
[X] [GA] Gain random military technology advancement. (Temp Econ-, Temp Martial-, Temp Mystic-)

We really don't need more megaproject options. We still the Sewers and Port in our list and we're definitely not doing both of them in a single turn, so voting for a new megaproject option this turn will be a big waste.
Our military is still backwards, and the only way to really improve it is through major defeats and golden age bonuses, the latter of which is far preferable. We've also got whatever's going on in the Sunrise Mountains which we may need our military to deal with.

[X] [MAIN] Sewers

The expansion value remains a thorn in our side, and one way to help solve it is to find a way to fit more people into the same amount of space without problems. Getting sewers will help greatly with that, so it's something we should do this turn.

[X] [MAIN] Plant Sacred Forests

This is to help complete the Conservatives quest. 3 sacred forests is a big effort and it's best to get a good amount of the work done now in case something big comes up in the future demanding our attention. We have free time now, so we should use it wisely.


[X] [SEC] Support Subordinate = (Morydwyd)

This is to complete the Localists' quest, which'll keep them happy and also get us a free road. The Morydwyd are our most vulnerable colony and the stronger they are the less likely we are to have to go to war across the steppes in their defence.

[X] [SEC] More Messengers.
[X] [SEC] Build Library = (Eastern Rock River)

For the Centralist and Internalist quests.

The reason I'm not doing a mithril mine this turn is because the Infrastructure passives could well build it themselves automatically and the Gerontocrats quest time limit is 4 turns away.


[X] [GA] Gain random military technology advancement. (Temp Econ-, Temp Martial-, Temp Mystic-)
[X] [MAIN] Sewers
[X] [MAIN] Plant Sacred Forests
[X] [SEC] Support Subordinate = (Morydwyd)
[X] [SEC] More Messengers.
[X] [SEC] Build Library = (Eastern Rock River)
 
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[X] [GA] Gain random military technology advancement. (Temp Econ-, Temp Martial-, Temp Mystic-)
[X] [GA] Gain random administration technology advancement. (Temp Diplo-, Temp Mystic-, Temp Culture-)
[X] [MAIN] Sewers
[X] [MAIN] Plant Sacred Forests
[X] [SEC] Support Subordinate = (Morydwyd)
[X] [SEC] More Messengers.
[X] [SEC] Build Library = (Eastern Rock River)
 
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The vote is still open.
Vote Tally : Chronicles of Nations Redux - Civ Quest Original | Page 186 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 4650-4669]
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Task: GA

[X][GA] Unlock the Dockyard Megaproject. (Temp Mystic-, Temp Culture-)
No. of Votes: 3
[X] Random Member
[X] demonthese2211
[X] nat_401

[X][GA] Gain random military technology advancement. (Temp Econ-, Temp Martial-, Temp Mystic-)
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Andres110
[X] Ifraka

[X][GA] Unlock the Great Library Megaproject. (Temp Mystic, Temp Culture-)
No. of Votes: 2
[X] HanEmpire
[X] demonthese2211

[X][GA] Unlock the Market Megaproject. (Temp Mystic-, Temp Wealth-)
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Random Member
[X] demonthese2211

[X][GA] Gain random administration technology advancement. (Temp Diplo-, Temp Mystic-, Temp Culture-)
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Simon. Andersen


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Task: SEC

[X][SEC] Support Subordinate = Morydwyd
No. of Votes: 3
[X] nat_401
[X] Andres110
[X] Ifraka

[X][SEC] More Messengers.
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Andres110
[X] Ifraka

[X][SEC] Develop Mithril Mine = (Sunrise Mountains)
No. of Votes: 1
[X] nat_401

[X][SEC] Expand Econ
No. of Votes: 1
[X] nat_401

[X][SEC] Plant Cash Crops
No. of Votes: 1
[X] nat_401

[X][SEC] Port
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Random Member

[X][SEC] Trade Expedition = (Bruraysh)
No. of Votes: 1
[X] nat_401


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Task: MAIN

[X][MAIN] Plant Sacred Forests
No. of Votes: 3
[X] HanEmpire
[X] Andres110
[X] Ifraka

[X][MAIN] Sewers
No. of Votes: 3
[X] HanEmpire
[X] Andres110
[X] Ifraka

[X][MAIN] Port
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Random Member
[X] nat_401

[X][MAIN] Develop Mine = Sunrise Mountains
No. of Votes: 1
[X] demonthese2211

[X][MAIN] Public Education
No. of Votes: 1
[X] demonthese2211


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Task: SEC/MAIN

[X][SEC/MAIN] Build Library = (Eastern Rock River)
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Andres110
[X] Ifraka


Total No. of Voters: 7
 
[X] [GA] Improve relations with all barbarian subordinates. (Temp Diplo--, Temp Mystic-, Temp Culture-)
[X] [SEC] Change up to two Passive Policies (13/13)
-[X] Empire x2 to x1 Black Soil, x1 Study
We could take this opportunity to switch off of the empire policy to something else, since our Arthwydish subordinates are all maxed on opinion. Right now favoring black soil for the permanent econ expansion and study for more innovation rolls.

[X] [MAIN] Plant Sacred Forests
Conservatives want us to plant 3 forests within 3 turns or else we lose stability.

[X] [MAIN] Sewers
Sewers are needed for higher population density in our cities, which might help stop adventurism.

[X] [SEC] Support Subordinate = Morydwyd
They're our new colony waaaay off in the east. Let's try to get them set up quickly. Doing this also satisfies the Localists objective, getting us one free road.

[X] [SEC] Build Library = (Eastern Rock River)
Internalists will also reward us with a free sacred forest if we build 3 libraries within 4 turns. With this turn's main plant sacred forest and the passive policy, we simply need to finish the libraries to finish the sacred forests in time.
 
Fireiy said:
We could take this opportunity to switch off of the empire policy to something else, since our Arthwydish subordinates are all maxed on opinion.
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Opinions boosts from the Empire passive policy aren't permanent. They require continuous maintenance and the passive policy applies to all subordinates, not just the ones of your culture.
 
Ifraka said:
[X] [SEC/MAIN] Build Library = (Eastern Rock River)
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I made an error when making this vote. Just remove the '/MAIN' and it'll be valid.

Fireiy said:
[X] [SEC] Change up to two Passive Policies (13/13)
-[X] Empire x2 to x1 Black Soil, x1 Study
We could take this opportunity to switch off of the empire policy to something else, since our Arthwydish subordinates are all maxed on opinion. Right now favoring black soil for the permanent econ expansion and study for more innovation rolls.
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On top of what Oshha said about reputation, that's not all that Empire does. Empire improves relations by doing things like attending to their needs and giving them a voice in what we do. Keeping our subordinates in the loop as participants of the empire is an important part of maintaining that empire. We don't want them feeling ignored by, separate from, or underneath the Arthwyd Empire, but part of it.
 
It being a temporary opinion boost is a part of why I want to switch off it now. With the Arthwydish subordinates it'll drop to 8/10 instead of being maxed out, while with the barbarian ones it'll drop to 6-7 before getting boosted back up.

As for having them feel like part of the Arthwyd Empire, just how much do our barbarian subordinate actually feel that way? On our end we clearly don't consider them Arthwydish but as barbarians instead, and the Forlucans have just dragged us into an Epic Age war after we specifically tried to stay out of it. They definitely don't follow our foreign policies, even as we are obligated to protect them from attack.
 
Fireiy said:
As for having them feel like part of the Arthwyd Empire, just how much do our barbarian subordinate actually feel that way?
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None fully feel that way, but we have been making progress. This is a slow process, one that needs a very long amount of time to reach full fruition, but the rewards are worth it even above other passives and neglecting it has consequences with both our non-Arthwydish vassals and our Arthwydish vassals. Even in the short term it has its benefits, because those higher relations mean much greater willingness to support us and listen to us. In the last war, there was a chance that some of our vassals wouldn't have joined us if it weren't for our Genius Diplo. The higher our relations, the more likely they are to join us automatically. As for support, our high relations with the Forluc means they were willing to follow our lead when we tried to calm things down with the Caradysh.
 
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