"Wheel me closer! I want to hit it with my cane!"
Changing Destiny (Kancolle)
- Thread starter Skywalker_T-65
- Start date
"Wheel me closer! I want to hit it with my cane!"
According to David Brinkley, Navy Secretary Knox was impressed by Taranto and saw the danger to Pearl, suggesting that "precautionary measures be taken against a surprise attack". Considering that neither he nor Secretary of War Stimson were idiots, I would REALLY like to know how the hell the message got bungled between Knox and Pearl. OTOH, if Thomson can talk to Knox and confirm his suspicions, then Pearl could very well be a death-trap for the IJN.
Hell, the use of torpedo nets would save more then a few ships.
There's plenty of reading that can be done about the situation leading up to Pearl Harbor. Hell, the wikipedia pages on it, alone, are long with many pieces of cited information. Suffice to say, much of the issues had to do with dealing with new technology, limited amount of budget available to the base commanders, and a dysfunctional working relationship between the local Army and Navy detachments.
Regarding anti-torpedo defense, it should be remembered that Pearl Harbor was considered to be too shallow for aerial torpedoes to damage ships in port proper, as said torpedoes commonly initially dropped to depths of a hundred feet before going to their preset depths. It took massive innovations (primarily, wooden fins) by the Japanese to create a variant of their aerial torpedo usable in the shallow waters of Pearl.
-----edit-----
This is not to say that planners totally discounted torpedo attacks, but that they were considered to be a much lower priority than other methods of attack, chief amongst them, sabotage.
Last edited:
Doubt it. BuOrd was pretty obstinate during those days... especially w.r.t. their precious torpedoes. I haven't been able to do as much reading as I wished I could on the subject, as some of the books cited online are rather expensive and only talk about the issue in passing. However, it should be noted that BuOrd's dysfunction actually spread beyond torpedoes -- the design process of the Iowa-class BB turrets is a glowing example.
My guess is that in order to modify the Mark 13 torpedoes properly, a lot of design work would be required, and it would be an uphill battle to get the tests authorized. Even if Thompson had the technical chops to suggest changes (or find people who would be able to innovate a solution), it's doubtful he could make more enemies within the Navy, considering he has the Battleship faction looking very closely at him already.
- Location
- Australia
We already know that Halsey and Thompson are the main Carrier Admirals within the United States Navy with the support of Richardson, so the question here is who are the main Battleship Admirals, then?
Willson seemed one of them, but his health is deteriorating fast.
Willson seemed one of them, but his health is deteriorating fast.
MaHaL
Conductor of the Choir of Death
- Location
- Canada
Was just re-reading this and had a thought. Knowing that Lindemann served in the first world war and Admiral Schreiber is described as older than than him by at least a decade which would put him at 30 when WW1 started. I'm curious as to just how far back our German friend arrived.
- Location
- United States of America
Well he could have already been an old officer when he was time traveled so he could have arrived a week earlier for all we know
Genolution
Hello there
- Location
- [DATA EXPUNGED]
But Thompson said that the senior officers were by and large targeted and eliminated early on in the Abyssal War, unless Schrieber joined up as an older man in OTL.
- Location
- 'Murica
That doesn't mean all the high-ranking officers were taken out. And the German Navy was probably low on the Abyssal's hit list. If I was them, I'd focus on killing as many CVNs as I could in the opening months, and leave the minor navies for later.
Germany has a navy?
In all seriousness, the modern German Navy is pretty small. Only a handful of subs and a double handful of frigates / destroyers. Makes sense given the country's post-WWII history and geography.
Adamantium9001
Sworn enemy of the dragon-tyrant
- Location
- Inside my own head
An important line for this discussion:
Either Bismarck was summoned and fought against Abyssals, sank, and Schreiber continued on for quite some time before being kicked back into the past, or he has already been in the past for a very long time. Or some combination of the two.
HolyDragoon
Call Gespenst!
- Location
- Portugal
Time is subjective. Being dumped on Nartzee Germany? Five minuts is a bloody eternity, I'd wager.
I imagine that being drop kick to the past will make time go slow for anyone in any country.
In the USA you have rampant racism.
Germany and Japan is a no brainier...
The Forties British are even more stereotypical then modern British.
The French is German...
And lord have mercy on any Russians...
Depending oh the When you got dropped into Japan of the past could range from maximum suck to not Bad.
From 1900 to mid 1920's it was actually pretty Nice. The hard slide started in the mid 20's and down hill from there.
From 1900 to mid 1920's it was actually pretty Nice. The hard slide started in the mid 20's and down hill from there.
Imperial Japan started getting especially unpleasant after they tried to get the other world powers to agree that racism was bad and were basically laughed off.
It did not endear the Western world to them, that's for sure. Of course, by then they'd already annexed Korea and the stage was set for the really fun stuff anyway. So...
Dalek Ix
Verified Dalek
They didn't propose that out of a belief that racism was bad, but rather so that they could get equal treatment in negociations. The article you posted mentioned that:
Article: The Japanese delegation did not realize the full ramifications of their proposal, since its adoption would have challenged aspects of the established norms of the (Western dominated) international system of the day, which involved the colonial rule over non-white peoples. The Japanese delegation believed it was asking only that the League of Nations should accept the equality of Japanese nationals; however, a universalist meaning and implication of the proposal became attached to it within the delegation, which drove its contentiousness at the conference.[1]
Yeah I know. I was sorta being facetious. On the other hand, it really helps bring home how different the world was back then when making a statement against racism was a bridge too far in international relations.
- Location
- Russia
That's something we all can agree with.
While there were some interesting thing like Black Sea Fleet fighting off surprise attack by German bombers (rumors said CO ordered "battle stations" in despite orders from up high NOT to do that)...
It probably was bad.
I say probably because even now, 70+ years after the war, 25 years after USSR is gone, everyone who lived back then is still too afraid to say anything that could be qualified as bad.
Appletank
Acquire Cheese
I'm expecting some fisherman to end up sitting on a duck because that's how his rowboat manifested.