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Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

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MatrosIvan said:
I say probably because even now, 70+ years after the war, 25 years after USSR is gone, everyone who lived back then is still too afraid to say anything that could be qualified as bad.
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The system little old "Koba" perpetrated in the Great Purge was downright diabolical in it's ability to produce treason out of nowhere, all to keep the man in power. Even total loyalty was not a guarantee of safety. There is an account by a visiting British general during the war and sitting in on a meeting of the Soviet High Command on how the Soviet generals, who all had some record of battlefield bravery in their history (even the incompetent ones, oddly enough), would freeze in momentary terror when they saw Stalin enter the room. Had he not been a slave to his paranoia, the General Secretary would have been the only free man in the entire Soviet Union...
 
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He certainly tried to play up his charismatic appeal, what with him calling himself "Stalin".
 
The17thImmortal said:
Not really, it's merely just a question of what he inspired.

Terror and hate, more than anything else.
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Terror, yes, very much so. Hate... is more complicated. Certainly many of the average Soviet citizens came to hate him after he was dead, but at the time the omnipresence in the cult of personality and state security services made it difficult for such a feeling to be recognized, much less expressed. Some contemporary citizens did express hatred in their most secretive of places (particularly during the war, when things were relatively more relaxed) but most citizens feelings seem to have been at the least apathetic.

When you get to Stalin's cronies, things become even more mixed up. Khrushchev claimed to have always hated Stalin later, but there is no contemporary sign of this reading accounts from when the man was alive. Of course, Khrushchev could have just been hiding his hatred extremely well... but then this is "we will bury you", "bang shoe on table" Khrushchev. Not exactly one to be subtle. As for everyone Stalin didn't get around to shooting? They all seemed to have been genuinely loyal and had some admiration for him. Molotov remained an unrepentant Stalinist until his death, Malenkov recalled his time with the man in fond terms, Zhukov expressed some very positive sentiments in his memoirs, and so-on and so-forth.

So Stalin didn't rule solely through terror. Mostly, yes, but not exclusively.

Genolution said:
He certainly tried to play up his charismatic appeal, what with him calling himself "Stalin".
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Stalin could be a very affable fellow, particularly with foreign delegates. It's when he got angry that the claws came out. He didn't exactly rage like Hitler did, instead his anger expressed itself in dark and cold sarcastic barbs and angry glares. To use a movie villain archetype analogy, Hitler is a rampager while Stalin is more the sociopathic serial killer with affable airs.
 
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I wonder what are the other naval candidates for a time-travelling admiral?

I reckon either the Commonwealth of Nations (UK, Canada, Australia and dominions) or the Italians at this rate. Skywalker is not bringing in the Japanese yet.
 
A PLAN officer ends up in the republic of china's navy, did they even have any warships at this time, or was it just a bunch of river gun boats?
 
They had a few. Notably two light cruisers built by Japan...

That would then be sunk by the Japanese, raised by the Japanese, and commissioned into the IJN.

Yes, really.
 
Not even that, since Stewart is also a thing.

I just figure Ning and Ping Hai are probably very confused ships, being built by Japan for China, then made to fight who built them, sunk by who built them, raised by who built them, and commissioned into their enemy/builder's navy.
 
Actually, Ping Hai was built in China.

Although, big issue: yaknow where they sank?
Defending Kiangyin Fortress. Yaknow where that is?
Right outside of Nanjing.

Light cruisers must suffer.
 
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Genolution said:
Actually, Ping Hai was built in China.

Although, big issue: yaknow where they sank?
Defending Kiangyin Fortress. Yaknow where that is?
Right outside of Nanjing.

Light cruisers must suffer.
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To make it even better it's was around The time THAT THING happen to boot...

Edit: and was actually rebuilt there too now that I thing about it. So they probably feel more anger at the Japanese then confusion. That emotion would probably go to the issue of them serving either the Mainland or the Island...
 
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And Ping Hai was sunk by planes from everyone's favorite blue skirted carrier, so i can imagine a meeting between the two would turn violent rather quickly.
 
Firefinder12-B said:
To make it even better it's was around The time THAT THING happen to boot...

Edit: and was actually rebuilt there too now that I thing about it. So they probably feel more anger at the Japanese then confusion. That emotion would probably go to the issue of them serving either the Mainland or the Island...
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Ayup. My point exactly.
asqwerty3345 said:
And Ping Hai was sunk by planes from everyone's favorite blue skirted carrier, so i can imagine a meeting between the two would turn violent rather quickly.
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And her sister, too! And Kaga's planes MAY have bombed a few train stations packed with civilians and strafed a few refgee columns...
 
And i could see how she would work it out in her mind, because Kaga sunk her, she was unable to protect the people of Nanjing, so Kaga is responsible for the rape of Nanjing.
 
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Oof, if one person is singled out as responsible for Nanjing Dec. '37 I don't think they'll have any respite from angry Chinese, either government approved or working on their own. I kind of feel bad for Kaga if she ends up the entire focus of that negative attention.
 
Well its natural for people to want a scapegoat and since she sank the two most powerful Chinese warships that just happened to be guarding the stretch of the Yangtze near Nanjing, i could see blame being put on her at least partially. Also how would a Republic of Chinese shipgirl react to being summoned by the Peoples republic of China. I mean to her, the ROC would still be the legitimate government of the mainland.
 
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asqwerty3345 said:
Also how would a Republic of Chinese shipgirl react to being summoned by the Peoples republic of China. I mean to her, the ROC would still be the legitimate government of the mainland.
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Already commented on this elsewhere.

Basically, the issue is that this is a highly unique situation. Both nations claim to be China, though quite a few politicians on Taiwan are leaning more to Taiwan than Republic of China these days. Either way, official policy remains that. There is no other situation like this, sans German girls being summoned during the Cold War with West and East Germany both claiming to be Germany.

It is also a political minefield I am very ill-inclined to step into.

Most likely, the girls would be more inclined to serve the RoC, if only because they were built for them, remember them as the legit government of China, and has that continuation of government going on. But on the other hand, they wouldn't just bugger off to Taiwan and say 'screw you' to Beijing. They would defend all of China, to the extent they can.

This is, of course, just a guess because I'm not touching that subject with a ten-foot pole. They could just as likely look at the PRC as the new government of China, since that's what it is. Who really knows?
 
And I don't think the RoCN really exists by 1940, since Japan controls nearly of all the Chinese coastline.

BTW, I found this picture of all the battleships of Battleship Row that were in Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941:

 
asqwerty3345 said:
Yeah china is a twenty foot pole kinda issue.
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20 foot pole issue?

make that 800+ nautical mile pole issue....

i always wonder if they think of the 800+ NM AS 200 nautical mile....

i'll leave it as that...

that god damn issue is already screwing everyone already. T_T
 
Well, in this case it would be either their loyalties to the government that controls most of china (PRC), or the navy that they actually served in (RoCN). I say RoCN because, well, imagine if you were a US marine, a good marine, served a couple of years, had some friends and stuff and made memories with your battle brothers. Well, now imagine if you were transported forward in time to where the former US has been pushed to Puerto Rico and the new government is a velvet clad, iron fisted oligarchy where democracy doesn't even get lip service and freedom of speech doesn't exist.

Who did you swear loyalty to? Who do you chose? Your old government, that's who.

In this case, I am willing to touch it since I'm from Taiwan. Any commie scrubs wanna contest that?:V
 
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