You acted it like its a bad thing...
What's the worst that could happen?
Macathur being kick to the curb?
If so I'm failing to see the problem.
Changing Destiny (Kancolle)
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What's the worst that could happen?
Macathur being kick to the curb?
If so I'm failing to see the problem.
Which is going to happen very shortly in this world for Sara and place her out of commission until late Nov to early Dec of 41.
- Location
- In the depts of despair.
Actually it would probably end in a fistfight. Unlike Patton Halsey was very respectful of the common sailor and soldier, and in his memoirs he was not shy about saying he had been scared during a night bombarment by japanese cruisers in Guadalcanal (which he had been visiting).
And so was Patton. You can tell cause he order the investigation on the two soldiers that ran him over to be halted so it wouldn't ruin their careers. He die soon after cause of said accident.
Just because he was a hard ass didn't mean that he didn't care.
- Location
- In the depts of despair.
Fair enough.
Sakuya's Butler
A refined Butler to a knife wielding Mistress.
- Location
- ↓, ↘, → + Punch
Patton had no tolerance for cowardice in the face of the enemy, but by the same token, you -never- screwed around with his men, come the proverbial hell or high water, even if they were slackers/cowards/etc. Because they were his men. To turn a phrase: Patton might be a cold-blooded ruthless sonvabitch, but he was THEIR cold-blooded ruthless sonvabitch.
Its one of the reasons he hated Montgomery, as Monty played up the 'noblesse oblige' bit to the hilt at times, looking 'down' at those around him. And it drove Patton nuts.
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- Australia
I was looking through the old U.S Battleship line, and I noticed this oddity with the Colorado-class battleships. There were 4 ships planned for the class, which were Colorado, Maryland, Washington and West Virginia. Maryland was the first commissioned into service, while the other 3 were still in construction, all launched as of 1922. Due to the WNT, however, Washington was sacrificed as a target while the others continued into service. Why was the original Washington sacrificed, but not her younger sister West Virginia?
To be frankly honest, I could not find any information on why Wash was sacrificed, but Weevee was spared. The only source I had was the Washington Naval Treaty stating that all capital ships that were still under construction as of February 6th, 1922 were to have their construction halted indefinitely to comply with treaty regulations. Colorado, Washington and West Virginia were under this category, but the former and latter were spared.
Usually, according to ship construction methods, if the class gets reduced, the youngest ships get chopped off first, which mean that West Virginia was the most likely ship to be scrapped first due to the Washington Naval Treaty. This is because of construction time of ships, since Washington was launched earlier than West Virginia and was 75.9% complete by the time the Washington Naval Treaty came around. This means that less time is required for the ship to be constructed and be commissioned into service, and less time trying to rearrange what ships needed what. Also, since the Colorado's were under the individual 35,000 ton limit for each ship, that was not a good reason to scrap Wash either.
So, if they had decided to scrap Weevee instead of Wash, it would have gone like this (based on OTL averages):
USS Colorado (BB-45) would be commissioned on August 30th, 1923. Like OTL.
USS Maryland (BB-46) would be commissioned on July 21st, 1921. Like OTL.
USS Washington (BB-47) would have been commissioned somewhere around June to November of 1923, in this ATL.
USS West Virginia (BB-48) would have been scrapped/used as a target in this ATL.
So, why did the USN decide to use Wash as a target rather then West Virginia?
To be frankly honest, I could not find any information on why Wash was sacrificed, but Weevee was spared. The only source I had was the Washington Naval Treaty stating that all capital ships that were still under construction as of February 6th, 1922 were to have their construction halted indefinitely to comply with treaty regulations. Colorado, Washington and West Virginia were under this category, but the former and latter were spared.
Usually, according to ship construction methods, if the class gets reduced, the youngest ships get chopped off first, which mean that West Virginia was the most likely ship to be scrapped first due to the Washington Naval Treaty. This is because of construction time of ships, since Washington was launched earlier than West Virginia and was 75.9% complete by the time the Washington Naval Treaty came around. This means that less time is required for the ship to be constructed and be commissioned into service, and less time trying to rearrange what ships needed what. Also, since the Colorado's were under the individual 35,000 ton limit for each ship, that was not a good reason to scrap Wash either.
So, if they had decided to scrap Weevee instead of Wash, it would have gone like this (based on OTL averages):
USS Colorado (BB-45) would be commissioned on August 30th, 1923. Like OTL.
USS Maryland (BB-46) would be commissioned on July 21st, 1921. Like OTL.
USS Washington (BB-47) would have been commissioned somewhere around June to November of 1923, in this ATL.
USS West Virginia (BB-48) would have been scrapped/used as a target in this ATL.
So, why did the USN decide to use Wash as a target rather then West Virginia?
West Virginia was probably closer to being completed then Wash was. Which isn't the first time something like that happened.
Or political bullshit take you pick.
Edit: West Virginia was also going to have several minor improvements over her sisters so that may have been it.
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- Australia
Well, according to the sources I read, Wash was launched on September 1st, 1921 and West Virginia on November 19th, 1921, so it was pretty close in construction time.
Also, what were these minor improvements? I compared the two and West Virginia had a shorter beam of about 0.2 feet, was lighter by 500 tons and had Westinghouse generators. So that is maybe the main reason, due to the whole Treaty business and political bullshit.
Denies and paperwork snafus can easily make shit go slower while another goes faster.
Several minor changes like a slightly different compartment design.
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- Australia
Maybe, just maybe. Although Wash was laid down on June 30th, 1919 and West Virginia was laid down on April 12th, 1920, so that may have done something to influence the decision.
Also, I thought that the Colorado's were very similar but superficially? I really did not know that West Virginia had a slightly different compartment design. How did the design help?
Don't exactly remember but it was a bunch of minor things that was later added to her sisters during the 1930 class wide rebuild.
Think a few were ideas nicked from the SMS Ostfriesland, the German battleship that the US got at the end of the war.
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- Australia
I guess that explains the whole business. The documentation on these upgrades is all over the place, so I guess we leave it there.
So, I wonder when Weevee is going to get her historical attachment yet. Her captain on December 7th was Mervyn Bennion who took command on July 2nd, 1941.
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- In the depts of despair.
Considering that the lessons of the Ostfriesland as well as the german shipbuilding doctrine were the basis of the DamCon that allowed so many american ships to survive WWII I'm guessing the compartment design was a serious improvement towards that particular doctrine.
Old Iron
Admiral Unfun
- Location
- The Southwestern Deadlands of America
D'aww...
Well, that's enough sugar to kill anybody. I'mma go die now.
I could not agree more.This entire string of posts:
rofl:
...If that were actually a thing, I would play that game to death and back again.Oh my god. Ari is the protagonist whose Home Village gets destroyed by the Evil Empire. Except in this timeline she'll survive and go on an Epic Adventure to defeat the Evil Empire.
The Pacific Theater isn't an Anime, it's a bloody JRPG.
Ari would be knight archer of some kind and would eventually team up with Sara the summoner. Then they would meet with a subthief who helps them rescue the beleaguered healer Medusa because Ari and Sara do not understand subtle.
Thompson: *stands before Ari* Stay your hand! For the hand of the fair maiden Arizona is not yours to claim!
Yamato: Guu... You have foiled my plans for the last time, Admiral Thompson. Never again!
Thompson: Have at thee!
It's too awesome for mere mortal minds to comprehend?
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- Australia
US Sailors, Marines and Naval Aviators: CHARGE THE JAP HOTEL, BOYS!! *charges Yamato with pistols, shotguns, rifles, machine guns, fighters, bombers and everything else in between*
- Location
- In the depts of despair.
Boarding actions, always cool even if not always succesful.
Skywalker_T-65
Writer with too many ideas.
- Location
- United States
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- Plural/They/He/Her
Well, Cute is Best so I have no problems with putting up cute stuff.
Speaking of which:
I am so using that somewhere, somehow, someway. I don't care about the specifics.
Shaithan
Re-class is happiest class
- Location
- The worst part of Germany
So, will we see Unterlandboote, U-Boats diving into the soil and only an ominous rumble to herald their coming?
Mizu
Software Developer
- Location
- Victoria, Australia
I question whether female sailor would wear uniform revealing their bust to such a degree. Aren't military uniforms meant to be all tidy and smart-looking?I am so using that somewhere, somehow, someway. I don't care about the specifics.
Skywalker_T-65
Writer with too many ideas.
- Location
- United States
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- Plural/They/He/Her
That's Lexington.
Ship Girls are...well, let's be thankful she's that well dressed. Especially compared to the other Lex option:
Ship Girls are...well, let's be thankful she's that well dressed. Especially compared to the other Lex option:
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- 'Murica
Musashi says hi.
Dirtnap
Kanmusu Affecionado
That's Lexington.
Ship Girls are...well, let's be thankful she's that well dressed. Especially compared to the other Lex option:
Honestly I prefer fat stacks, but well...I'm biased and that's more my taste anyways.
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- State of Denial
U-47: My time has come...
- Location
- In the depts of despair.
Remember that the ship is, amongst many things, a reflexion of its crew. And tell me, how many bars, brothels and cabarets can be visited by the crew of a capital ship during shore leave?
Be grateful they wear clothes at all...
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