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Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

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Yeah, that would be from before Lex and Sara had their bows widened. That's the old battlecruiser lines poking out.

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I still maintain these sisters were the prettiest carriers we ever built, honestly. Those battlecruiser lines man.
 
The deck still has that janky... wavy lines to the sides. I dunno, man... I'd say the Yorktowns and Essexes were prettier.
 
At the risk of getting smacked... I always found Lex and Sara's funnels to be kind of... odd. This is compounded by the separated island.

So despite their sleek hull lines, I've always liked the Yorktown class more.
 
The Lexes have a very cool retro look to them though. It's clear they were the brainchild of someone not sure how to carrier, yet they turned out actually good.

Also STACKED sisters are STACKED.
 
While CV's are most certainly stacked as can be, I don't think I could decide who is prettier to be perfectly honest.
 
I like the look of the Lexingtons, although that may be because I find the four 8" twin turrets to be goofy and interesting. (it also helps that Steel Ocean is also using this model of the Lexingtons ingame).
 
I've always favored the straight deck USS Midway for looks. There's just something about the curves from the armoring that endears the ship to me.
 
Skywalker_T-65 said:
"And Commander Jackson reported to me immediately, to confirm he had not had a woman smuggle herself aboard his ship," Richardson continued, his eyes following Jackson's, though it was clear he could not see Utah. "Or, that he was not hallucinating. As of yet, I see no evidence that he is not.
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I'm... confused. Can anyone explain to me why hard evidence is not used?

It seems Utah and Thompson is going for 'belive in me' convincing, when Thompson could (as a random example) tell Richardson to write a note, have him send it down under deck to have it read to Utah by Jackson, then Utah comes up, tells it to Thompson, who tells it to Rickardson. Sure, there would probably be some mix up in the exact wording of the letter, but that would happen if Utah was a random person as well.

Or, send that note to some other ship, and ask them to send it by radio to Utah. While Richardson and Thompson keeps standing where they are. And Utah tells Thompson what the message is as it comes in, who then relays it to Richardson.

Or, Thompson and Jackson stands on either side of something solid. Anything solid, so they cannot see each other, but Richardson can. Utah stands beside Richardson. Either Thompson or Jackson starts pantomiming - number of fingers, attempt at elephant, squares in the air, Utah copies it, and the other person (Jackson or Thompson) tells Richardson what the other person is doing.

If Richardsson still tries to pretend that nothing is going on after that, at least Thompson and Jacksson knows it is because Richardsson is ignoring the evidence. The question then becomes 'why', 'for what purpose' and 'how to dodge whatever the plot is'.

If theese ideas do not work, then there is something critically wrong with Thompsons understanding of what is actually going on.
 
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Anti-No said:
I'm... confused. Can anyone explain to me why hard evidence is not used?

It seems Utah and Thompson is going for 'belive in me' convincing, when Thompson could (as a random example) tell Richardson to write a note, have him send it down under deck to have it read to Utah by Jackson, then Utah comes up, tells it to Thompson, who tells it to Rickardson. Sure, there would probably be some mix up in the exact wording of the letter, but that would happen if Utah was a random person as well.

Or, send that note to some other ship, and ask them to send it by radio to Utah. While Richardson and Thompson keeps standing where they are. And Utah tells Thompson what the message is as it comes in, who then relays it to Richardson.

Or, Thompson and Jackson stands on either side of something solid. Anything solid, so they cannot see each other, but Richardson can. Utah stands beside Richardson. Either Thompson or Jackson starts pantomiming - number of fingers, attempt at elephant, squares in the air, Utah copies it, and the other person (Jackson or Thompson) tells Richardson what the other person is doing.

If Richardsson still tries to pretend that nothing is going on after that, at least Thompson and Jacksson knows it is because Richardsson is ignoring the evidence. The question then becomes 'why', 'for what purpose' and 'how to dodge whatever the plot is'.

If theese ideas do not work, then there is something critically wrong with Thompsons understanding of what is actually going on.
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Did Halsey find out that 'something' (which was Little E herself) was there by monitoring the radio sets and overseeing it himself, to make sure that someone was definentky using the radio set and it was not the radio operator?

Thompson could already see shipgirls due to being teleported and all that.

Jackson found out about Utah being a shipgirl pretty much by accident.
 
SquireHarbour said:
Did Halsey find out that 'something' (which was Little E herself) was there by monitoring the radio sets and overseeing it himself, to make sure that someone was definentky using the radio set and it was not the radio operator?

Thompson could already see shipgirls due to being teleported and all that.

Jackson found out about Utah being a shipgirl pretty much by accident.
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I remember that E started using the telegraph machine, and it was obvious to both radio operator and Halsey that the lever thingy was moving on its own. I think.
 
Anti-No said:
It seems Utah and Thompson is going for 'belive in me' convincing, when Thompson could (as a random example) tell Richardson to write a note, have him send it down under deck to have it read to Utah by Jackson, then Utah comes up, tells it to Thompson, who tells it to Rickardson. Sure, there would probably be some mix up in the exact wording of the letter, but that would happen if Utah was a random person as well.

Or, send that note to some other ship, and ask them to send it by radio to Utah. While Richardson and Thompson keeps standing where they are. And Utah tells Thompson what the message is as it comes in, who then relays it to Richardson.

Or, Thompson and Jackson stands on either side of something solid. Anything solid, so they cannot see each other, but Richardson can. Utah stands beside Richardson. Either Thompson or Jackson starts pantomiming - number of fingers, attempt at elephant, squares in the air, Utah copies it, and the other person (Jackson or Thompson) tells Richardson what the other person is doing.

If Richardsson still tries to pretend that nothing is going on after that, at least Thompson and Jacksson knows it is because Richardsson is ignoring the evidence. The question then becomes 'why', 'for what purpose' and 'how to dodge whatever the plot is'.

If theese ideas do not work, then there is something critically wrong with Thompsons understanding of what is actually going on.
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All very true and very logical.

This said, my intention here was to show that our time-traveling friend wasn't thinking logically. He hadn't expected nor planned for having to convince Richardson like this so soon- remember, he and Halsey have been working to do this in the shadows -and was thrown for a loop. Given time to actually think, he would have come up with this. Since it is something that could easily be thought of.

Problem being, he wasn't in a position to think of that. Thompson has, for the longest time, been thinking in terms of 'getting them to see the girl'. That Enterprise managed to break through using the morse is there, in the back of his head. But it's also tied in there with 'Halsey already was willing to believe there was someone there'. So instead of thinking 'let's try something that looks like Utah is talking to me' he's more thinking along the lines of 'Richardson has no reason to believe this girl is here to begin with'.

Is that wrong? Certainly. But I'm trying to write a character who can be wrong.

Plus, Utah kind of jumped in before he could think of these things with her 'let me try!' thing.

Admittedly, it may not have worked as intended.
 
Not completely intangible, Enterprise ran into Thompson to give him a hug, and his stumbling is part of what lead Halsey to believe.
 
Specifically, they can touch people who can see them.

Remember, at Taranto. Doria ran through her crew and it 'was like ice water' down her spine. If you can't see them, you can't touch them.
 
Skywalker_T-65 said:
Specifically, they can touch people who can see them.

Remember, at Taranto. Doria ran through her crew and it 'was like ice water' down her spine. If you can't see them, you can't touch them.
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So? Just have Utah try and lift Thompson himself (he should be the lightest of the three who can see her) – not very far or for very long, just enough so that it'll be impossible to deny outside influence.
 
Skywalker_T-65 said:
Is that wrong? Certainly. But I'm trying to write a character who can be wrong.
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Fair enough. Anyone can be blindsided. He really should have thought about this long, long ago, but stressing and trying not to think about something happens.

It's just, ah, there is just a limit to how long it can take Thompson to come up with such tests after it obviously no longer can be set aside, it is an issue right now, and after that limit is reached and the tests are still missing but still obviously needed it just becomes a way to show that Thompson is about as sharp as a bowling ball. Testing said tests with shipgirls without hostile witnesses around the first time just in case, and letting the girls talk to each other about what works and what does not would be a basic sanity check. Mind you, Kancolle is a bit lacking in the sanity department as I understood it, but I thought Thompson was supposed to be a stabilizing influence..?

Anyway. Not so much...
Skywalker_T-65 said:
'let's try something that looks like Utah is talking to me'
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...as 'let's try something that could not work unless someone invisible is talking to me'. "Sure, there could be a hidden mirror here, somewhere. You tell me, Richardson. Where on your or my ship do you want to try again?" Testable, repeatable. Sooner or later he will need to convince some landlubber who might be quite unable to even consider the idea of shipgirls. Time to get some practice for that.
 
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Skywalker_T-65 said:
Specifically, they can touch people who can see them.

Remember, at Taranto. Doria ran through her crew and it 'was like ice water' down her spine. If you can't see them, you can't touch them.
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This includes clothes, right?

He could just hold out his hat and ask her to lift it up and down. It'll look like, well, somebody else is moving his hat up and down in his hands, even though he's only holding onto it by the very edge of the brim.

Or, even simpler, he could just hand her his hat. Or only keep touching it with his fingernail, if he has to.
 
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Skywalker_T-65 said:
remember, he and Halsey have been working to do this in the shadows
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Skywalker_T-65 said:
'Richardson has no reason to believe this girl is here to begin with'.
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Skywalker_T-65 said:
Call it early October 1940.
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They have been planning and testing things. But they've been doing it on what limited free time they have. Remember, just because I don't show the 'Admiraly things' doesn't mean it isn't happening. I just know my limitations in regards to actual military protocols and so on, and don't want to butcher something trying it. Halsey and Thompson are both busy men, outside what I show. They can test things, but they have to do it in ways and at times that don't raise suspicions.

On top of that, it's only been at most two weeks since Enterprise actually made her breakthrough. At most. They've had time to test maybe three or so ideas, considering the Admirals can only reasonably meet in person a few times in those weeks. And it also means that they've only had a limited amount of time with the knowledge that, yes, the girls can physically influence certain things like the Morse. The idea of working with stuff like sending messages between ships or making it where it's obvious someone is invisible is around?

It's there. It's probably been done.

But.

But.

The key issue remains simple. Everything that Thompson has done has been aimed around working with someone who already has the idea that someone is talking to them. That's why the second note is important here. It was mentioned back when E made her breakthrough and Halsey said that they would need to go to Washington with it, that they would need more than just two Admirals. No matter who those two are. If they wanted to convince anyone that they aren't just insane.

Hence, the goal and plans have been built towards getting other ship officers to hear their girls, before even thinking about going to someone who doesn't have that advantage. Thompson, as noted in the chapter, has no idea if Richardson is close to a ship. So he would have been approached only once more girls (Utah or otherwise) made breakthroughs and there was thus a larger group of people, instead of just two Admirals.

Utah threw all of that out the window, which is where the issue comes in. If everything had gone according to plan, they probably would have started using ideas like those mentioned, on officers who had started to hear their ships at least to some extent. Because that's a hell of a lot safer than trying it on someone who hasn't. And Thompson is hilariously worried that he could lose his position, and by extension, his chance to help at Pearl.

But, blindsided.

chocolote12 said:
This includes clothes, right?

He could just hold out his hat and ask her to lift it up and down. It'll look like, well, somebody else is moving his hat up and down in his hands, even though he's only holding onto it by the very edge of the brim.

Or, even simpler, he could just hand her his hat. Or only keep touching it with his fingernail, if he has to.
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Theoretically, yes.
 
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