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Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

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I'm halfway convinced that Europe has its own time traveling Admiral. Only that person knows more about the European front instead.

The other half might have just been dumb luck.
 
SlyOverlord said:
I'm halfway convinced that Europe has its own time traveling Admiral. Only that person knows more about the European front instead.

The other half might have just been dumb luck.
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Eh, I don't see why. That the raid went 'better' for the British, doesn't seem impossible, and butterflies/Alt TL's are a thing.

Admittidely, an -odd- buttefly, as I subscribe to the 'so long as presence of butterfly affecting thing(in this case Thompson) hadn't affected anything that'd have contact with anything else that'd 'have' a buttefly moment, nothing will happen differently, until proximity contact is made.'

So, if Thompson did, anything, even saying 'hello' to a british courier who simply went back home(having even forgotten the encounter), sure, changes. ... sorry rambling I'll stop.

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Skywalker is likely going with 'slight ATL' (to allow him to fudge certain aspects, since I doubt he's a professional historian, heck I'm a history student and I'd have a hard time with the amount of research that he proboably will have to do by the end of this story.)
 
Heh...

Looks like Littorio did get roughly the same amount of damage this time around.

Last time
Two to the bow. One to the stern and another dud under her hull. Took enough flooding to wash her forward batteries.

VV got hit to this time but end up taking the ones from the two older BBs in real life.
 
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IIRC, it wouldn't have been torpedo nets that made the Italian fleet supposedly safe (since torpedoes fitted with net-cutters had defeated them before, and torpedo nets generally didn't protect the bow or stern...but torpedo nets would still help if the enemy wasn't expecting them, since net-cutters weren't normally equipped), it was the shallowness of the harbor. The British, much like the Japanese, had to develop a technique/modification to allow for aerial torpedoes to be used in shallow waters (though the method the British used was different from the one the Japanese used).
 
I presume you will not be using the loli depictions of Andrea Doria and Vittorio Veneto from Warship Girls?

EDIT: Phone auto-correct screwed up VV's name.
 
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Yeah, I try to stay consistent with my character designs, regardless of if they come from KC, Pacific, or WSG.

So no loli-BBs.
 
SquireHarbour said:
So, what were the butterflies for the attack? I guessed a few POD's a page back or so, but it is free game at this rate.
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Well, we have to also consider that since the Norwegian campaign did go different, the RN might have learned a few lessons from it, or had different casualties.
For example: No Blücher loss -> a faster German win -> Glorious is withdrawn faster -> Glorious is available.
 
Starfield said:
Well, we have to also consider that since the Norwegian campaign did go different, the RN might have learned a few lessons from it, or had different casualties.
For example: No Blücher loss -> a faster German win -> Glorious is withdrawn faster -> Glorious is available.
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Yeah, that logic train makes sense. It begs the question who is commanding the Blucher, though, since she was only in service for 3 weeks before she was sunk OTL and never had a good chance to prover herself in combat since the 28cm shells from the Oscarborg fortress disabled the electricity for the main guns, meaning she never fired her guns in anger during her service life. (I reckon a time-traveling German admiral who hid himself pretty well.)

The consequence of th Blucher not sinking is that it doesn't give the Norwegian Royal Family enough time to escape Oslo due to the Parliament refusing to go to war, or enough time to empty the gold reserves and send them to Britain. On the other hand, maybe some smart Norwegian fellow decided to warn Olso and got the Royal Family and the gold out of Norway before the Germans came.

On the HMS Glorious surviving Norway, that is a major butterfly since the Taranto raid could carry more aircraft (25 vs 40) and did not have to rely on HMS Eagle having reliability problems and having to mix up the whole plan. In fact, if HMS Glorious survived Norway like you said, the planners could design the Taranto raid around HMS Glorious herself, which is another major butterfly, since the OTL raid was carried out by the relatively new HMS Illustrious and was relatively green at the time. The knock on effect from this is that due to HMS Eagle being pushed out of the Equasion and did not have to rely on the aforementioned reliability problems and/or being damaged by Italian bombers (this is what caused the Avgas problem that delayed the Taranto raid and the elimination of her air group), HMS Glorious could be spared for the ATL Taranto raid.
 
Everytime we talk about Blucher my heart stops. A timetraveling german naval officer is the single most dangerous thing the allies could ever face, only one bit of nacionalism in him and he could prolong the war for years.
 
BF110C4 said:
Everytime we talk about Blucher my heart stops. A timetraveling german naval officer is the single most dangerous thing the allies could ever face, only one bit of nacionalism in him and he could prolong the war for years.
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Except, to be truthful, odds are he would be staunchly anti-nazi. Like... Red October level (as a comparison of the captain of a ship being staunchly against the government he nominally serves) anti-nazi. Germans nowadays *hate* the Nazis and everything about them. If a current German Admiral or Captain went back in time and ended up as the commander of the Blucher he might just defect outright, and take his ship with him if he thought it was possible, scuttle her if he didn't.
 
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That.

Germany is very paranoid about neo-Nazis. One getting to a position as high as Captain is hilariously unlikely. Admiral is so ludicrous one has to wonder if this guy is James Bond.
 
That actually sounds like a really interesting story though. A German Admiral getting thrown back to WW2 and either trying to defect or work as a spy for the Allies.
 
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Thompson needs to start talking to Enterprise about Spruance and/or any other possible Admirals that might end up aboard her. Because if Halsey is out for whatever reason, she needs to fully be confident of her new Admiral.

For all that he's was at the time considered merely a 'tin can' Admiral, Spruance flat out earned, without ANY reservations, the right to be in the flag seat of a carrier, after commanding the Enterprise during the Battle of Midway.

drakean said:
That actually sounds like a really interesting story though. A German Admiral getting thrown back to WW2 and either trying to defect or work as a spy for the Allies.
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Considering that the Kriegsmarine, taken on average, despised the Nazi leadership, and being better read up on the world than the average infantryman, most crews likely would defect if only they were certain that the next peace treaty wouldn't be as brutal as Versailles' was.
 
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Sakuya's Butler said:
Onto other topics....

Thompson needs to start talking to Enterprise about Spruance and/or any other possible Admirals that might end up aboard her. Because if Halsey is out for whatever reason, she needs to fully be confident of her new Admiral.

For all that he's was at the time considered merely a 'tin can' Admiral, Spruance flat out earned, without ANY reservations, the right to be in the flag seat of a carrier, after commanding the Enterprise during the Battle of Midway.
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... Except he wasn't really in command of her. He let the captain of the ship make pretty much all the decisions as to what to do because he knew he didn't know what to do. So in that respect he was a good admiral... because he was well aware he had no idea how to command a carrier.
 
Well, at this time Canaris is in charge of the Abwehr and he's pretty anti-Nazi, that could be a route to talking to MI6.
 
Selonianth said:
... Except he wasn't really in command of her. He let the captain of the ship make pretty much all the decisions as to what to do because he knew he didn't know what to do. So in that respect he was a good admiral... because he was well aware he had no idea how to command a carrier.
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That's still showing a helvalot more intelligence & insight than what the average BB 'big gun' Admiral would have done in Spruance's place. Tactically, yes, direct command of the Enterprise was pretty much done by her Captain. Strategically however (and remember that KanColle girls specifically call their CO 'Admiral'), everything went through Spruance.

It doesn't hurt matters any that Spruance and Halsey ended up becoming close friends and were near legendary for how well they worked together, covering each other's weaknesses and reinforcing each other's strengths.

If Halsey could be said to be Enterprise's father, then Spruance could rightly be said to be Enterprise's godfather. One that took his godfather responsibilities towards her with total/utter seriousness (the man was legendary for staying completely calm even when all hell was breaking loose around him).
 
Sakuya's Butler said:
That's still showing a helvalot more intelligence & insight than what the average BB 'big gun' Admiral would have done in Spruance's place. Tactically, yes, direct command of the Enterprise was pretty much done by her Captain. Strategically however (and remember that KanColle girls specifically call their CO 'Admiral'), everything went through Spruance.

It doesn't hurt matters any that Spruance and Halsey ended up becoming close friends and were near legendary for how well they worked together, covering each other's weaknesses and reinforcing each other's strengths.

If Halsey could be said to be Enterprise's father, then Spruance could rightly be said to be Enterprise's godfather. One that took his godfather responsibilities towards her with total/utter seriousness (the man was legendary for staying completely calm even when all hell was breaking loose around him).
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If by Strategically you mean he was aware of what was going on? Sure. But he wasn't even in Strategic command of the battle at all, that was nominally Fletcher (who was both a DD commander and a Battleship commander (he even earned a medal of honor as the commander of USS Florida)), though ironically he defaulted to Spruance for most of the command (who in turn defaulted to the Captain of the ship).

As a note, one of the few commands we know Spruance gave himself separated the bombers and the fighters, thus leaving the bombers without escort, something that cost a lot of pilots and planes out of the first attack wave.

Also, and this was bugging me till I checked, Spruance wasn't a Tin Can commander. He was a Cruiser guy.
 
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