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Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

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If one must experiment with an Essex, Reprisal would be the best choice as she only was completed to the 50% point. Less to have to undo and you can take the time to use all your wartime experience to see what you want to experiment with.
 
baofengyu said:
I've been reading Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway. While all the talk about new tech and toys is interesting and all, but I think one rather key thing has been overlooked. Communication. Granted I am not through the book yet, the lack of communication and coordination caused a huge amount of problems, and that, I think, is what Thompson can do. The defense of Wake may just be a fighting retreat to highlight the need for proper command and control of all fleet assets in combat.
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Thats actually a pretty good point!

Doubly so when the task forces are staying silent and just relying on established plans and hoping to get word from Pearl if there is anything important, and sending a plane or ship to safety to send a reply. The Wake Relief mission was IRL built around 3 disparate carrier task forces with 3 different missions thousands of miles apart and not in direct communication while with only a small window due to concerns over IJN air ranges and USN fueling assets.

Since Thompson is swapped out for Fletcher here at Wake its doubly relevant as Frank Jack's inability to respond quickly to messages from Nimitz or King while senior admiral in the South Pacific in the Spring of 1942 while aboard Yorktown was just another grudge the CNO held against him. While the girls can in theory help alleviate some of the issues there is still room for confusion, mistakes, and assumptions leading to failure and frustrations large and small.
 
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Hey guys?

I've been reading NavWeaps forums and I though the "Old War Wagon" series with USS New Hampshire being rebuilt in a "jack up the bell (and some cutlery, and the bow decoration) and build a new ship under it" way. Now I know Sky said no two ships ge tthe same spirit, but it stinks of "ways to keep the same girls around without having to make sacrifices (unacceptable if blood sacrifices are needed) to detach them from their hulls".

It goes like this:
"Okay, we're mostly scrapping the ship... but the scrap metal goes straight to a foundry, gets smelted and reprocessed to deal with metal fatigue, and then comes back and used to rebuild the ship under the bell. Does this work? Because the maintenance fees are a pain in the ass for old hulls, and it's like normal metabolism replacing worn-out bodily cells..."

baofengyu said:
I've been reading Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway. While all the talk about new tech and toys is interesting and all, but I think one rather key thing has been overlooked. Communication. Granted I am not through the book yet, the lack of communication and coordination caused a huge amount of problems, and that, I think, is what Thompson can do. The defense of Wake may just be a fighting retreat to highlight the need for proper command and control of all fleet assets in combat.
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It is highly, HIGHLY improbable that Thompson and Halsey haven't been working closely together after Halsey began interacting with Enterprise.

And with Thompson's modern communications background, he'd almost certainly seem a bit off the wall obsessive about communications and coordination.

And with the shipgirls doing fighter control and communications already, well, a ship can do many things at once which means they have huge multi-tasking abilities, and that means a lot of coordination with the rest of the fleet. After all, enough sailors can see shipgirls, especially after Utah's show at Pearl, that the Pacific Fleet, despite news blackout, is probably sufficiently in on the secret that the captains of the other ships are ALL working with shipgirls.
 
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Appletank said:
So, hey, just popping by after reading the last few chapters, did I miss something? When did Sara get introduced to her pilots? Was that a behind the scenes thing? Got awfully confused when Thach had no-reaction whatsoever to a female voice on the radio of his flight.
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Behind the scenes, but probably at the same time Little E was introduced to hers two chapters ago as the relief force steams to Wake. One advantage of that is that Sara and E's voices are immediately recognizable on the radio since they are the only females on the channel.

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"I think I understand a bit more, sir." Still, she smiled at her Admiral. Though one question was still in the back of her mind. "Oh! What are you getting my pilots for? I forgot to ask about that..."

Predatory smile replaced by amused smirk, Halsey pulled his 'daughter' to her feet and pushed her at the hatch. "It's high time we introduced you to the squadron leads. We'll work much more efficiently if everyone can talk to you. Sure as hell we won't get caught with our pants down like Pearl did."

"Whaaaaaaa!"

Enterprise's panicked cry echoed through her hull, sending more than one head on a swivel and giving her engineer nightmares for a month.
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SisterJeanne said:
Behind the scenes, but probably at the same time Little E was introduced to hers two chapters ago as the relief force steams to Wake. One advantage of that is that Sara and E's voices are immediately recognizable on the radio since they are the only females on the channel.
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You quoted Sky saying it gave her engineer nightmares for a month.

In other words, it took a month for the scuttlebutt to spread enough that the chief engineer heard it (EDIT: and learnt that no it's not a turbine going nuts, it's just the ship panicking). Which in hindsight is insanely unrealistic...
 
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Darth Herobrine said:
E's panic gave her chief engineer nightmares, not rumors.
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No, I meant the Chief Engineer would react like: "WHAT DO YOU MEANT IT TOOK A MONTH FOR THE NEWS TO GET DOWN FROM THE FLYBOYS? I THOUGHT THAT SUDDEN HOWLING NOISE WAS SOMETHING IN THE ENGINE ROOMS! IT TOOK YOU THIS LONG TO TELL ME IT WAS THE SHIP HERSELF SQUEALING IN SURPRISE?" Notices Halsey looking amused behind him, while the Captain is grimacing at forgetting to tell him this news until now... "Uh... Sir... if you don't mind too much, while we're back in port/not at present risk of open combat, I'm going to go get some of the sleep I lost, and a drink."
 
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I hope double-posting is tolerable when it's far apart temporally and on completely different subjects...

I'm rereading the fic for the 4th or so time, and I realized a problem with the Skipjack encounter...

"Well, it looks like I'll just have to bend over and take it." Thompson sighed and bent at the waist. "Skip, pick me up." And she did exactly that. There was enough room even in a WWII-era submarine to bend over and THEN be lifted off the floor, after all...

After some gawking and moving around to check for wires and such, King was first to bring up the awkward problem hanging in the room "Thompson, I might still think this is at least somewhat nonsense, but for the love of god, never speak such words ag--" He stopped, and gaped at where his hand had abruptly met flesh.

"Well, at least you believe enough to touch and see her." Richardson noted most helpfully.

Admiral King had to be helped off the boat due to jumping back so much that he banged his head on a bulkhead. Admiral Stark took a while longer before he disembarked as he had a stitch from suppressing his laughter at his colleague's misfortune to have grabbed Skipjack's modest bosom.
 
Crusader Jerome said:
You raise a valid point, good sir, but I believe it is objectively funnier to be punched by a submarine than to be merely lifted.
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The whole point of my suggestion was that Thompson would very much have been bent over and forced to take it by 1940s psychiatry (therapist is spelled that way for a reason).

So using the terms that could easily come to mind he could find a less painful solution to the problem, and afterward Stark could tell him that "well, what you said was right either way... but King's right, never say that sort of thing again, please."
 
Guardian54 said:
The whole point of my suggestion was that Thompson would very much have been bent over and forced to take it by 1940s psychiatry (therapist is spelled that way for a reason).

So using the terms that could easily come to mind he could find a less painful solution to the problem, and afterward Stark could tell him that "well, what you said was right either way... but King's right, never say that sort of thing again, please."
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*Facepalm* Riiiight. Physical discipline. Didn't immediately suggest itself to me because that sort of thing was normal for me growing up. Yes, it has helped me become a better person, and no, it was not abuse, thank you for asking.
 
SisterJeanne said:
Behind the scenes, but probably at the same time Little E was introduced to hers two chapters ago as the relief force steams to Wake. One advantage of that is that Sara and E's voices are immediately recognizable on the radio since they are the only females on the channel.
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Awww, ok then. Would've niced to see their reactions, but oh well.
 
Crusader Jerome said:
*Facepalm* Riiiight. Physical discipline. Didn't immediately suggest itself to me because that sort of thing was normal for me growing up. Yes, it has helped me become a better person, and no, it was not abuse, thank you for asking.
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"Bend over and take it" refers to surprise buttsex in this case. Not related to physical discipline.

Given my uncle is a complete moron at interpersonal interactions and basically taught to be cannon fodder due to being beaten into submission as a kid (he grew up in 1960s China, and my grandparents were huge drinkers of the "be selfless" kool-aid) my family has an exceedingly dim view on physical punishment ("Wow, you can beat up a kid. How majestic of you to be able to physically dominate a kid." *spits on ground* "It seems that you know of basic conditioning you can't think of anything better than beatings.") EDIT: Yes, this is me basically grinding my teeth in your general direction and overreacting... sorry.
 
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Guardian54 said:
"Bend over and take it" refers to surprise buttsex in this case. Not related to physical discipline.

Given my uncle is a complete moron at interpersonal interactions and basically taught to be cannon fodder due to being beaten into submission as a kid (he grew up in 1960s China, and my grandparents were huge drinkers of the "be selfless" kool-aid) my family has an exceedingly dim view on physical punishment ("Wow, you can beat up a kid. How majestic of you to be able to physically dominate a kid." *spits on ground* "It seems that you know of basic conditioning you can't think of anything better than beatings.")
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Okay, I am simply ignorant. Thank you for helping me not be ignorant.

I see. Yes, there is a huge difference between beatings and moderate spanking at worst. The levity was entirely unnecessary, and I'm sorry if you were offended by what I said. I did not intend to make a joke at the expense people who have been harmed by abusive overuse of physical punishment.
 
Crusader Jerome said:
I see. Yes, there is a huge difference between beatings and moderate spanking at worst. The levity was entirely unnecessary, and I'm sorry if you were offended by what I said. I did not intend to make a joke at the expense people who have been harmed by abusive overuse of physical punishment.
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Yeah, I overreacted, sorry.
My grandparents were NOT abusive, particularly not by the standards of the time.
My grandfather for example never spanked any of his daughters (though with how much of a bitch my eldest aunt turned out... :/).
The problem was that he would spank or berate his son for screw-ups or perceived screw-ups (my grandparents were in the "saying nice things just to be polite is dishonest" generation, and were actual believers in that drivel).
The result?
My uncle has zero initiative and is completely inept socially. In other words, he'd been spanked, nagged, and shouted at until he decided to just go with the flow in basically EVERYTHING.

You don't need to seriously beat someone often to teach them not to do something. Even modest punishments will very quickly condition a kid to have no initiative!

Then again my uncle's wife also has zero abilities in the "if they went out and did something for you, say shopping or making a meal, even if they fuck up you need to encourage them... so that they continue doing things for you" school of cultivating initiative and ability.

...Her brother's example led my mother to teach me to shout right back at my father (before my teen years she'd do the shouting for me when required), who is even more of a nag than her father was but at least does strictly non-violent parenting... and even then there was some corporeal punishment.
For example, one time I fucked up socially with them around, he took me to my school's running track and walked with me around it until I'd "had enough time to think". HE ended up with a bloody boil on his foot from that experience, I was just sore for a couple days.

That type of corporeal punishment with functionally no risk of actual injury is the only kind I find generally acceptable.
 
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Crusader Jerome said:
I'm glad we agree on this issue.
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Good. Now that that's settled, I hope we also agree on something else.

Namely my suggestion that Thompson saying he has "no choice but to bend over and take it" before bending over and being picked up is "technically correct, the best kind of correct" in how badly he's screwed if it doesn't work out... but also extremely inappropriate for 1940 (Richardson advises "Please don't describe it as such to the President.")
 
Guardian54 said:
Good. Now that that's settled, I hope we also agree on something else.

Namely my suggestion that Thompson saying he has "no choice but to bend over and take it" before bending over and being picked up is "technically correct, the best kind of correct" in how badly he's screwed if it doesn't work out... but also extremely inappropriate for 1940 (Richardson advises "Please don't describe it as such to the President.")
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Now that I understand the context, we most certainly do.
 
Guardian54 said:
I'm rereading the fic for the 4th or so time, and I realized a problem with the Skipjack encounter...
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Crusader Jerome said:
You raise a valid point, good sir, but I believe it is objectively funnier to be punched by a submarine than to be merely lifted.
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I think sky wrote it the way it is due to it not having enough room to lift him (or so I think). Another would be that, well, Skipjack would no doubt be tiny. Sure that she can lift him up by the legs but like I said there might not be enough room and no doubt that it could be too awkward and they'll fall immediately.
 
It's a 1940s sub. There's barely enough headroom for an average adult male. Nowhere near enough room to lift someone up.

That and again, at the time, Thompson was just 'oh god, just punch me' to get the full shock value.
 
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As I pointed out, if a male can stand up in the sub, there's plenty of room to raise one off the ground by 10 centimeters or 20 in a folded-shoulder-carry (fireman? I forget the term, "sack of potatoes" comes to mind) if one bends over...
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He just said there's barely enough headroom for your average adult male. To carry someone on your shoulder is to exceed that limit. What part of that doesn't make sense?
 
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