- Location
- Nashville
Right... wait a sec, didn't Turbine's engineer see her earlier on? That means that the Italians might be in the running to be relevant again... or fall in a blaze of fire, you never know...
Changing Destiny (Kancolle)
- Thread starter Skywalker_T-65
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Right... wait a sec, didn't Turbine's engineer see her earlier on? That means that the Italians might be in the running to be relevant again... or fall in a blaze of fire, you never know...
ijnfleetadmiral
CinC Rengo Kanmusutai
- Location
- Admiral's Bridge, HIJMS Kongo
Anyone else see Wash appearing to Ching Lee at some point? 
- Location
- Mountains of Appalachia
Probably blaze of fire since Taranto already happened and the Royal Navy has been holding down the Med. Adding the US Navy to that mix will not improve the Regia Marina's chances to do anything to change that for the better, since if they can't break the stranglehold or link with the Kriegsmarine by Pearl Harbor, they never will.
The problem that the Axis has is because of geography, the RM's stuck in the Med with the Brits holding Gibraltar and Suez, the KM's stuck in the Baltic, North Sea and Atlantic, and the IJN is stuck in the Pacific/Indian Ocean. This effectively lets the Royal Navy and USN defeat each in detail. Nobody has the basing and range to do much more than hold home waters for the RM, raid the Atlantic for the KM, and establish a defense perimeter and then get steamrolled for the IJN.
Remember that Hood's captain was able to perceive her now, so the royal navy now knows about shipgirls, and they have a lot more potential hulls.
Anyone else see Wash appearing to Ching Lee at some point?
I do, I also see one of his cruisers appearing to Fletcher. Possibly Indianapolis.
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- Location
- Barcelona, Catalunya, EU (for now)
This depends on the intentions of Sky, but he only saw Turbine because he was heavily attached to her, and because she was sinking, which are exceptional circumstances. The most logical conclusion is that he doesn't see all shipgirls afterwards, but he does have the potential of seeing them, if he believed what he saw.
- Location
- Nashville
I meant the RM stabbing the KM in the face a la Lapland War
Mega1987
A TTK somewhere at Kancolle's Iwagawa Airfield
- Location
- somewhere at Kancolle's Iwagawa Airfield
- Location
- Mountains of Appalachia
The relevant shipyard? So for the Yorktowns it would be Newport News Shipbuilding. For Sara it's New York Ship with her birthplace across the river in Camden, New Jersey. Her Momboat is Langley (CV-1) of course.
Now I imagine Sara having the stereotypical New Jersey/New York accent when she gets pissed. So yes, Sister Sara might wind up going full Sopranos on someone.
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- Location
- Canada
An Admiral's memoirs: "I never expected my complaint of 'Fuck the shipyards...' over construction delays to coincide with the arrival of many MPs looking to arrest me for committing polygamy by fathering children with every one of said shipyards. It seemed that my remark led to confirmation bias on their part and assumption that I did, in fact, fuck the personifications of said shipyards, just because the goddamned tour guides managed to get me lost for half an hour or more at every damned one of them and covered it up as me wandering off."
ijnfleetadmiral
CinC Rengo Kanmusutai
- Location
- Admiral's Bridge, HIJMS Kongo
I'm going to say Indy appears to Spruance...she was his flagship for much of the war and he always picked her for his flagship if she was available. I can see Hornet appearing to Mitscher as he was her first Captain. E might appear to him, too.
- Location
- Mountains of Appalachia
Gaah, I said Fletcher didn't I? I really should stop posting half asleep. Good catch, Indy should appear to Spruance.
Or all the Fletchers calling him 'Daddy'.
Actually the nameship of the WWII Fletchers DD-445 was named for his uncle, Frank Friday Fletcher. Admiral Frank Jack Fletcher got DD-992 named after him in 1980.
Thinking about Flecther's career, he probably sees Yorktown first since she was his flagship for Coral Sea and Midway.
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Instead, all the Fletchers call him cousin!
It's going to be a tough call in terms of "shipgirls as SF operators while on land", since a certain author's continued efforts with that concept has left a bad taste in the mouths of those who've had the misfortune of reading the fic in question.
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CV12Hornet
Riter.
- Location
- Tacoma, Washington
There are several reasons naval cannons don't have the same penetration per inch of caliber antitank guns have, and most of it has little to do with indirect fire. First, ship cannons fire at far, far longer ranges than antitank guns. Medium range for an American battleship was 17,000 yards; long range for most antitank guns was 1000 yards. This means that naval shells will lose quite a lot more velocity over distance, and in fact at extreme ranges the plunging fire actually helped because gravity would get back some of the muzzle velocity.
Second, most naval guns in antitank calibers were not given armor-piercing ammunition.
Third, and this is unrelated to the above point, but I take serious exception to saying ship cannons have "incredibly shit penetration". The American 5"/51, for instance, firing AP ammo could penetrate 4" of armor - at 3200 yards, longer than the effective range of most antitank guns. And keep in mind penetration does not fall linearly with distance.
- Location
- Canada
Which makes not using this readily available weapon for a heavy assault gun or a heavy tank project a bit of a puzzle to me, other than the "turret ring can't stand the recoil" issue which can be fixed by making it a casemate assault gun a la SU-152 (though preferably with a rear casemate for weight distribution on the suspension).
CV12Hornet
Riter.
- Location
- Tacoma, Washington
Well, that, and the production run was over and there weren't that many of the guns to begin with. Maybe a hundred available. Not nearly enough to justify the development time of a land vehicle to carry them.
- Location
- Mountains of Appalachia
Also don't forget that this was a US Navy weapon and the US Army would rather crawl over shattered glass than go begging to the Navy for weapons. While USA/USN service rivalries were not as bad as the Japanese (no one was as bad as the Japanese), there was a very healthy interservice rivalry at this point in time.
- Location
- Pacific NW
Fun fact: the artillery used to defend naval installations from enemy vessels was not US Navy weapons or under their control mostly (there were exceptions like weapons on the naval part of the base proper). Since a good chunk of those batteries were in forts, they were under the jurisdiction and operation of the Army. So the Army used Army weapons for the most part. One exception was the 16"/50 Mk2 naval gun that was supposed to go to the cancelled SoDak 1920 class of battleships. The Navy offered them to the Army, who saw that they were less complicated, lighter and performed better than the US Army 16" gun of 1919, that the Army promptly began replacing the 1919s with the Navy guns.
- Location
- Canada
So any thoughts on using a possibly up-armoured and slightly stretched Universal Carrier (heavier to ensure that it doesn't have a chance of floating in circa 60-70cm of water i.e. can find the ground with its tracks after coming off a Higgins Boat) to help infantry get to cover after getting off the transports?
Amphibious IFVs are still out of the question, but a tankette derivative carried to shore by Higgins boats or similar is still very possible.
"If you have a problem with that type of casualty reduction, you might as well tell the Marines to all swim for it" is my opinion... but I'm biased.
Amphibious IFVs are still out of the question, but a tankette derivative carried to shore by Higgins boats or similar is still very possible.
"If you have a problem with that type of casualty reduction, you might as well tell the Marines to all swim for it" is my opinion... but I'm biased.
- Location
- Nashville
...the venom there makes me wonder how badly the unnamed fic would sear my eyeballs if I were to ask.
Well, armor support IS needed in these situations...
ColdGoldLazarus
Contrary Quester, Spreadsheet Queen, Pink Flamingo
- Location
- Challenger Deep
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Is this the fic with Robot Murakumo inexplicably hidden in Texas and stuck with a shipgirl-brainwashing, baby-killing edgelord?
Mega1987
A TTK somewhere at Kancolle's Iwagawa Airfield
- Location
- somewhere at Kancolle's Iwagawa Airfield
Well... That fic got pleanty of flaks from alot of readers....
And some of those guys still kept reading even they said to the author that it's not a kancolle fanfic and the mc is a gary stu....
I'd say he also single-handedly made that concept/idea land itself into the "DO NOT TOUCH EVEN WITH TEN FOOT POLE" section of most KC fic authors. Before I edited my original post, I worded it to say that he made the concept "unplatable" to others. And up until now, no one else has even tried to do their take on it.
I think those on Winter's Discord remember the "balancing" quaqmire/discussion that resulted from this.
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Anyway.........moving on. I'm interested in what's going to happen in the immediate aftermath of Pearl.
I think those on Winter's Discord remember the "balancing" quaqmire/discussion that resulted from this.
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Anyway.........moving on. I'm interested in what's going to happen in the immediate aftermath of Pearl.
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- Location
- Mountains of Appalachia
The US Marine Corps had that historically, it's called an amphtrack/LVT. Landing Vehicle Tracked - Wikipedia
That said, this is rather outside the scope of the story since our two time travelers have their own plates full with shipgirls, and either trying to overthrow Hitler, or trying to win the carrier war in the Pacific. Neither has time to play inventor, especially when the historical amphibious ships worked well enough (Higgins boat, LVT, etc.) for the Allies and would never be used by Germany (Schreiber will jump out the nearest window if Hitler orders him to put Sealion back into play).
The easiest thing to predict is that FDR gives the Day of Infamy speech a week earlier than in OTL with a few cosmetic changes, America goes to war, and Schreiber starts drinking as Hitler commits arguably the worst strategic blunder of his life by declaring war on the US in turn. In AU news, we find out if Utah sticks around after the Kido Butai fall back to Japan, if Tanaka is able to convince his superiors that there's a tsundere kanmasu on board Zuikaku, and with the reduced effectiveness of the Japanese strike on Pearl if the USN is a little more aggressive in late 1941-early 1942. Certainly Thompson would be pushing hard to assemble multicarrier task forces and train them up to challenge Japanese naval superiority once the naval war heats up. We also find out what Tokyo decides on as their next move once the initial strikes into SE Asia play out.
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