Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

He's not the only one who can see her, probably. It seems reasonable to postulate that anyone that saw Utah can see ship spirits, which means there's a whole bunch of aviators on each carrier that can suddenly see Akagi, Kaga, Hiryu, Soryu, Shokaku, and Zuikaku.
I can see it now...

Ship's Mess, H.I.J.M.S. Akagi
Random Pilot: *to himself* It's all in your head. Combat stress! Yeah, that's it...combat stress! There's no beautiful young woman aboard watching everything going on.
Akagi: *Sitting beside pilot, gesturing to his food* What's that taste like? *Pointing to another thing on his plate* What about that? Is that good?

:D

As for Shokaku, she's such a sweet girl, I can see any pilot who can see her possibly falling for her...once he convinces himself he's not crazy, of course.
 
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A positive that might come out of this is that there will probably be standing orders about not strafing people in the water, to avoid the IJN from getting a shipgirl in the same matter as how Utah gained her own body.
 
Heh. Angry momboat time. Glad to see her engineer made it. He and Thompson are going to have their work cut out for them, I suspect.
 
A positive that might come out of this is that there will probably be standing orders about not strafing people in the water, to avoid the IJN from getting a shipgirl in the same matter as how Utah gained her own body.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think that even the old Geneva conventions made shooting people in the water a war crime and an atrocity. I'm fairly sure that the USN will not commit that kind of atrocity, even without the danger of angering the ship those sailors came from.

So no need to issue those kinds of orders, at least in the USN. The Japanese might need to issue them, though, as I think they actually shoot survivors of sunk ships.
 
I'm not 100% sure, but I think that even the old Geneva conventions made shooting people in the water a war crime and an atrocity. I'm fairly sure that the USN will not commit that kind of atrocity, even without the danger of angering the ship those sailors came from.

So no need to issue those kinds of orders, at least in the USN. The Japanese might need to issue them, though, as I think they actually shoot survivors of sunk ships.

That's correct in the broad strokes yes. In theory, you are not supposed to fire upon wounded and helpless men, be it sailors in the water/life rafts, aircrew parachuting from a damaged plane, and so on. That said, according to some interpretations, submarines were supposed to surface after an attack and retrieve/render aid to me in the ship that they had sunk, and that almost never happened by anyone's navy. I think the worst thing the USN did was just not pick Japanese sailors up in scattered cases, certainly I can't think of any cases where captured survivors were executed (which happened a few times by the IJN).

A lot of that depended on the ship captain, though. Inazuma rescued ~500 allied sailors at Java Sea, for instance.
 
I'm not 100% sure, but I think that even the old Geneva conventions made shooting people in the water a war crime and an atrocity. I'm fairly sure that the USN will not commit that kind of atrocity, even without the danger of angering the ship those sailors came from.

So no need to issue those kinds of orders, at least in the USN. The Japanese might need to issue them, though, as I think they actually shoot survivors of sunk ships.
That's correct in the broad strokes yes. In theory, you are not supposed to fire upon wounded and helpless men, be it sailors in the water/life rafts, aircrew parachuting from a damaged plane, and so on. That said, according to some interpretations, submarines were supposed to surface after an attack and retrieve/render aid to me in the ship that they had sunk, and that almost never happened by anyone's navy. I think the worst thing the USN did was just not pick Japanese sailors up in scattered cases, certainly I can't think of any cases where captured survivors were executed (which happened a few times by the IJN).

A lot of that depended on the ship captain, though. Inazuma rescued ~500 allied sailors at Java Sea, for instance.
Battle of the Bismarck Sea

War is seldom clean, especially when aiming from high were humans are disernible as ants and the indoctrination is combined with battle high.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Bismarck_Sea
 
Shouldn't Kojiro be elated that there's a spirit on their side? Since he felt cursed when a shipgirl appeared on the side of the Americans shouldn't he feel relieved at seeing Zuikaku?

On another note imagine the sailor's horror upon realizing that there might be an invisible girl peeking at them when showering.
 
Shouldn't Kojiro be elated that there's a spirit on their side? Since he felt cursed when a shipgirl appeared on the side of the Americans shouldn't he feel relieved at seeing Zuikaku?
Perhaps momentarily, then dread/despair returns when he realizes that the US has a lot more kami on their side.

On another note imagine the sailor's horror upon realizing that there might be an invisible girl peeking at them when showering.
Ceiling Zui is watching you. :V
 
Oh, I pity any crewman of Iku's who can see her. He's gonna go nuts. Long submarine patrol...all that time underwater...and a perverted sub girl. :D
 
Depending on the interpretation of why the lewdmarines are lewd. I like Harry Leferts idea that the subgirls were so ignored that eventually even bad reactions to their actions meant that someone noticed them.
 
Oh, I pity any crewman of Iku's who can see her. He's gonna go nuts. Long submarine patrol...all that time underwater...and a perverted sub girl. :D
Honestly, if you start with the core KC canon, Iku is innuendo rather than action. Even if it sounds like a contradiction, she has an innocent approach to perversion.

The other Japanese subs have also the Lolita look, but their lines clearly show they don't have a single lewd bone in their bodies.

Their design was made that way to attract a share of the lolicons. Well, more lolicons than the destroyer lolicons.
 
Oh, I pity any crewman of Iku's who can see her. He's gonna go nuts. Long submarine patrol...all that time underwater...and a perverted sub girl. :D
You do know the whole "lewdmarine" thing is almost completely fanon, right?

It's the result of a number of Iku's in-game lines being worded somewhat teasingly, along with her (completely justified) pride in her oxygen torpedoes.

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That's correct in the broad strokes yes. In theory, you are not supposed to fire upon wounded and helpless men, be it sailors in the water/life rafts, aircrew parachuting from a damaged plane, and so on. That said, according to some interpretations, submarines were supposed to surface after an attack and retrieve/render aid to me in the ship that they had sunk, and that almost never happened by anyone's navy. I think the worst thing the USN did was just not pick Japanese sailors up in scattered cases, certainly I can't think of any cases where captured survivors were executed (which happened a few times by the IJN).

A lot of that depended on the ship captain, though. Inazuma rescued ~500 allied sailors at Java Sea, for instance.
There were a number of times that the USN killed helpless Japanese troops during WW2. Probably the most famous instance being when Mush Morton of Wahoo ordered the deck gun and machine guns into action after sinking a Japanese troop transport and surfacing surrounded by survivors in the water.
 
You do know the whole "lewdmarine" thing is almost completely fanon, right?
Of course, but even just innuendo might be enough. And we all know Iku is the Master of it.

*Attack on Wasp, 1942*

LCDR Kinashi: Fire!
Iku: *Moans* Ooh, that's it...fire those torpedoes.
LT Okabe (I-19 Torpedo Officer): *Cringes* Sir...
LCDR Kinashi: *to Iku* Cool it.
Iku: *Grins* Whatever you say, my Captain...Iku loves it when you order this poor innocent young submarine to do your bidding...
*Kinashi reddens and clears his throat awkwardly while several crewmembers bit their tongues to keep from laughing*

:D
 
Well, Iku's lewdness isn't completely fanon. The rest of the subs, yeah. But Iku... well.

Iku is quite flirtatious, to say the least.
 
That's correct in the broad strokes yes. In theory, you are not supposed to fire upon wounded and helpless men, be it sailors in the water/life rafts, aircrew parachuting from a damaged plane, and so on. That said, according to some interpretations, submarines were supposed to surface after an attack and retrieve/render aid to me in the ship that they had sunk, and that almost never happened by anyone's navy. I think the worst thing the USN did was just not pick Japanese sailors up in scattered cases, certainly I can't think of any cases where captured survivors were executed (which happened a few times by the IJN).

A lot of that depended on the ship captain, though. Inazuma rescued ~500 allied sailors at Java Sea, for instance.
And then there is Hachi's captain....

Who should have hanged, head down, over a slow fire, for his actions.

Even some of the IJN's own officers, post-war, quietly denounced him as barbaric/psychopathic.
 
"well, a rouge wave washed him overboard, God must have hated him?"

Jesus, exactly how much death was in the water to turn the waves rouge?

There were a number of times that the USN killed helpless Japanese troops during WW2. Probably the most famous instance being when Mush Morton of Wahoo ordered the deck gun and machine guns into action after sinking a Japanese troop transport and surfacing surrounded by survivors in the water.

That wasn't quite the most cut and dry, because based on the captain's testimony the Wahoo was charging her batteries and was fired upon by some of the troops in the lifeboats, causing Mush to order an attack. Out of 1126 men, 282 died in all in that incident. Admittedly the fact that 195 Indian POWs were killed is very bad, but not as flagrant as Hachi's captain. As for on land... well, fool me once, next time I shoot and don't bother to take prisoners.
 
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"The ship has deemed the captain unfit for command." is now a thing BEYOND the "well, a rouge wave washed him overboard, God must have hated him?" variety.
While 'he fell overboard in bad weather', likely will NOT fly in any Navy's admiralty, I can easily see all major navies giving unofficial tacit approval of removing an officer from command by a shipgirl/ship's spirit, with even further support (however quiet) for that decision, than if a ship's doctor was to announce them unfit for command.
 
I doubt it. The first and foremost priority of a shipgirl is to keep her crew safe, not judge their actions.

To start, shipgirls are not in the chain of command. This means they don't give or take orders from anyone. This may change in the future, though, with two possible ways of going, depending on how the different Navies take the issue of shipgirls: basically, the brass designs aa new chain of command for the shipgirls, or they integrate them in the existing chain of command. Both have problems and advantages. This would also mean that the term "flagship" gains a very distinct and important meaning.

For hull-bound shipgirls, their world is the ship they represent, so the brass is "those guys that give orders to my Captain". In that case, giving different orders or assigning different duties to a shipgirl may undermine a Captain's authority, which is a serious issue. I'm not sure how it could be solved, except that both Captain and shipgirl attend jointly a briefing to receive orders and define clearly what is Captain's prerrogative, and what is shipgirl territory.

Hull-free shipgirls are another matter. They don't have a crew or even a Captain, their chain of command is totally internal when it comes to ship operation, so in that case it's important to have a seperate chain of command for giving or taking orders, as their level is only ship-level, which would mean that the human officer in charge of them has to be an Admiral or a fleet commander, regardless of rank.

This is an issue that hasn't yet been brought to the fore, but it will inevitably appear. With hull-bound shipgirls is not that important, because the physical ships are still operated by a human crew, so most of the time, they only need to know when to get out of the way. Hull-free shipgirls are their own captains, and this should be addressed now, with only Utah as a single example. But with the progress of the war, more and more shipgirls will become hull-free, specially if summoning of sunk shipgirls becomes a thing.

Which brings another interesting point: right now the only Navy that has an officer that knows that sunk shipgirls can be summoned back is the USN. That is a very critical piece of information, as it gives a serious advantage to the USN, so when the brass are aware of it, it will be classified in all the ways they can think.
 
And then there is Hachi's captain....

Who should have hanged, head down, over a slow fire, for his actions.

Even some of the IJN's own officers, post-war, quietly denounced him as barbaric/psychopathic.
Ariizumi Tetsunosuke was from Eta Jima Class 51 (ranked 97th of 255 Cadets). Most of his career was in submarines, though Hachi was only his second command (he'd previously commanded RO-33 before the war); he spent most of World War II serving as Chief-of-Staff of SubRons 8 and 11. He committed suicide on 29 August 1945, more than likely due to knowing he was a dead man if he faced war crimes charges.

Shioi would know about him, too...Ariizumi flew his division pennant from her while ComSubDiv 1.
"The ship has deemed the captain unfit for command." is now a thing BEYOND the "well, a rouge wave washed him overboard, God must have hated him?" variety.
*Ariizumi has just ordered his first massacre; Hachi stands in her conning tower, vibrating with fury and tears running down her face. When Ariizumi begins to descend from the conning tower into the hull, she trips him as he's going down the ladder and his jaw strikes every rung on the way down (picture Rob Schneider in Down Periscope)*
Hachi: Oops...gesu yarō! (Japanese for a$$hole)

:D
 
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