- Location
- North Carolina
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Changing Destiny (Kancolle)
- Thread starter Skywalker_T-65
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obssesednuker
Commander of 10 Million Men
- Location
- In the Kremlin, activating Perimtr.
- Location
- Canada
So USS Mon and USS Aghan?
Sailors on the former will be so very upset when the Japanese produce Sailor Moon again and make references to "Sailor Mon"...
Or USS Mona (the shipgirl's unofficial nickname is Lisa) and USS Ghan (just a bit off from Khan in pronunciation), who later goes on a goodwill mission to Ghana because the Navy brass thought it would be funny.
EDIT: Also, shipgirls can divide themselves in two to make new shipgirls? WHAT.
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- Location
- Deep in the Badlands of Equestria
Well, there will likely be some harsh words, but after a first-hand look at what a real wartime furball complete with ground flak is like there won't be too much lasting anger. For the first point, I expect everyone will have gotten a good look at the fog of war and what happens to perception. Second, they ought to excuse Utah somewhat on the point of misplaced gender bias by the pilots. After all, how can you expect a woman to know how to accurately shoot guns at moving targets, much less know how to tell one plane from another?
- Location
- Barcelona, Catalunya, EU (for now)
If the pilot survived by some miracle, there's going to be a very contrite "nurse" apologizing every other second, and in that case, the other pilots will look at him with unrestrained envy.
If he didn't make it, though, Utah will be devastated. Shipgirls' first and foremost worry is protecting, not harming, and specially not harming crewmen or allies. I totally see her writing a very heartfelt letter of apology to the next of kin, offering any kind of restitution within her power. I also see the DoD "misplacing" the letter for security reasons, and delaying its delivery until things are less secret around shipgirls.
EDIT: We're talking not just about any shipgirl, but the momboat of all of them. Taking a life in anger will sit very badly with her.
If he didn't make it, though, Utah will be devastated. Shipgirls' first and foremost worry is protecting, not harming, and specially not harming crewmen or allies. I totally see her writing a very heartfelt letter of apology to the next of kin, offering any kind of restitution within her power. I also see the DoD "misplacing" the letter for security reasons, and delaying its delivery until things are less secret around shipgirls.
EDIT: We're talking not just about any shipgirl, but the momboat of all of them. Taking a life in anger will sit very badly with her.
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Nicholas
No longer teaching battlethings on a battleship
- Location
- Ashore again
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Slightly less sexist, airplanes knew they entered a ships antiaircraft fire at their own peril, friendly or not. Historically speaking, there are several examples of airplanes being targeted by friendly ships: Enterprise lost several dive bombers at OTL Pearl Harbor due to overeager AA crews.
Hell, just look when the 82nd Airborne tried to jump on Sicily: the Navy thought the transports were German bombers and opened up on the planes in the air, the parachutes floating down, and even the men who landed nearby. The whole debacle was the reason why the landings on D-Day took a long route around the fleet, and why allied planes had those white and black invasion stripes.
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Department of the Navy at this point in time, with the Army (and Air Corps) a separate Department of War. They wouldn't be unified into a Department of Defense until after the war.
Hell, just look when the 82nd Airborne tried to jump on Sicily: the Navy thought the transports were German bombers and opened up on the planes in the air, the parachutes floating down, and even the men who landed nearby. The whole debacle was the reason why the landings on D-Day took a long route around the fleet, and why allied planes had those white and black invasion stripes.
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Department of the Navy at this point in time, with the Army (and Air Corps) a separate Department of War. They wouldn't be unified into a Department of Defense until after the war.
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- Location
- Barcelona, Catalunya, EU (for now)
It's the 40s. Sexism is the norm, for both genders. The appearance of shipgirls, and its revelation to the public is an incredible chance for advancing gender equality, at least when it comes to serving in the Armed Forces.
But that doesn't affect Utah in November 30th, 1941. She still has to deal with killing someone that was there to protect her daughters too.
obssesednuker
Commander of 10 Million Men
- Location
- In the Kremlin, activating Perimtr.
Point of order: but there would have been tons of civilian witnesses to this, given that notable portions of Honolulu overlook Pearl. You can forget any attempt at secrecy.
- Location
- Barcelona, Catalunya, EU (for now)
First, the press will do as the Armed Forces tell them to, the situation is very different to how the press reacts nowadays. And no matter how many witnesses, the truth is so unbelievable that the USN will call them "baseless rumors", and get away with it.
- Location
- Europe
Dang. Utah nearly went AA Hime on the U.S.
- Location
- Canada
ONE HUNDRED AND NINETY FIREPOWER
NINETY-FIVE TORPEDO POWER
TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY-FIVE HP
THREE HUNDRED NINETY AA
THREE. HUNDRED. THIRTY. THREE. FUCKING. ARMOR. (ALMOST NAKED TOO)
CLASS: ABYSSAL DESTROYER
Clearly, Utah cannot go AA Hime, based on the last point (the most important, obviously).
*sarcasm*
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- Deep in the Badlands of Equestria
Ok, that's granted. So, considering that all she has are effectively the AA armaments and the armor of a dreadnaught battleship, what other Abyssal could she match up with? She'd certainly have qualified for demon status at the least, and if she had gone full Princess, I wonder what sort of Fleet she would have been spawning?
- Location
- Canada
I'd think Ru-class baseline would be Dreadnought/South Carolina/contemporaries.
So Utah's maybe an Elite Ru-class?
EDIT: When originally built.
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- Location
- Pacific NW
Actually Utah does not have her armor belt or armored conning tower. These were removed as part of demilitarization processes demanded by the WNT to turn her into a training vessel. Otherwise, just removing main battery turrets would be an easy way to circumvent the treaties, because it wasn't hard to slap such things back on. Hence, you had to remove the armor too, making a war-fighting worthy restoration economically unfeasible.
Admiral_Corgi
The Admiral of the PT Boats
- Location
- The Strange land of Florida
Hey guys, uhhh I don't know if anyone else brought this up but if Takeda was able to see Turkey Zuikaku after seeing Utah.... Does that mean that anyone who sees Utah is then able to see the other girls too?
Also I pray Burrows survived the attack and the crash from the P-36 Utah shot down especially the latter... otherwise Frisco's gonna be mad at Utah for getting her engineer killed.
Also I pray Burrows survived the attack and the crash from the P-36 Utah shot down especially the latter... otherwise Frisco's gonna be mad at Utah for getting her engineer killed.
Sorry, but it seems you're conflating Utah and Wyoming for this. Wyoming was converted under the WNT to a training ship, stripped of half her main battery and all of her armor to make her more difficult to convert back. (Interestingly, Hiei underwent a similar conversion, with half her boilers and all of her armor removed, under the WNT... and the Japanese did convert her back to a full-fledged warship after pulling out of the Treaty system; there was discussion of restoring Wyoming to full battleship status after the outbreak of war, but it was felt that she was more valuable as a training ship than her marginal value as a 12" battleship.)
Utah, on the other hand, was converted to a remote-controlled mobile target for the fleet. She was completely disarmed and half her boilers were removed, but her armor was left in place specifically so that she wouldn't end up being an expendable target. She wasn't modified to act as an antiaircraft gunnery school until later, and even then, she retained the target ship role; while rearmed with AA guns, they included heavy wooden deckhouses that could be placed over them to protect them in the target ship role (complete with dedicated cranes for them!), and her decks were also covered with heavy wooden timbers to protect them from practice bombs when acting as a target ship for the Air Corps or the carriers.
That said, Utah won't be resurrected under any circumstances; Wyoming can quickly and inexpensively take over her role as fleet AA school, while the Japanese have just volunteered to take over her role as target ships. The only other option would be to restore her to battleship status, and as I said, given that, OTL, Oklahoma, with her 14" guns, was considered to be of only marginal value as a battleship and thus not worth the cost to repair, Utah and her 12" guns would have been considered of literally zero combat value; if you did feel the need to get another 12" ship into service, better to save the money and supplies that would have been spent repairing her, and instead direct them to the Alaska class ships, which are actually fast enough to keep up with the carriers (and have high-performance guns that are the equal of the Pennsylvania class's 14"/45s).
- Location
- Pacific NW
I was talking about the general things the WNT demanded to demilitarize old battleships. As for Utah's armor specifically, I remember reading one of the story updates where Utah herself remember that her armor had been removed.
- Location
- Nashville
Sure just need to use the phone... ok that's not feasible, how about the telegraph... nope, uh
- Location
- Mountains of Appalachia
Well keep in mind that the warning that negotiations with Japan were going to be broken off was transmitted by Western Union to Pearl on December 7th. So realistically the only way to send messages from Hawaii to the mainland would be airmail, telegraph or radio, all of which would be monitored to prevent military secrets being leaked. Also, while Honolulu does overlook pearl Harbor, how many people looking at that distance would notice one human-sized figure walking on the water in the chaos of the attack (Smoke from burning ships, dogfights, AA fire, etc. etc.).
Here's an example of the level of 'information transmission' that the Navy would be letting through: Receiving the Word About Pearl Harbor - National Naval Aviation Museum
So, yes, between ability to monitor the transmissions from hawaii, and the country being at war allowing for major civil liberties restrictions, AND the fact that in 1941 the press was much more inclined to 'play ball' with the government (witness the lack of reporting on FDR's polio rendering him unable to walk easily), they can keep the existence of Utah at rumor levels for now.
I feel sorry for Takeda, he will have an uphill battle to prove Zuikaku's existence, I bet. Plus, she's almost certainly not going to survive the war unsunk and no one sane would sell a Japanese Naval Aviator a life insurance policy in 1942 and on, since they had truly horrendous attrition rates...
PAGDTenno
Verified Warmind. Probably on fire.
- Location
- South Carolina
He's not the only one who can see her, probably. It seems reasonable to postulate that anyone that saw Utah can see ship spirits, which means there's a whole bunch of aviators on each carrier that can suddenly see Akagi, Kaga, Hiryu, Soryu, Shokaku, and Zuikaku.
- Location
- North Carolina
Well, goddamn that's going to be an issue.
Admiral_Corgi
The Admiral of the PT Boats
- Location
- The Strange land of Florida
I did say as much earlier...
but yeah if the next chapter is focused on the American side right after the attack, I bet ya we're gonna see a whole lotta people talking about girls on ships.... who are also the ship....
again I just hope Frisco's Engineer survived the plane crashing into the ship... I shudder to think of what Frisco would be like if her engineer's death was indirectly from Utah's Rage.
- Location
- Pacific NW
crossposted this over on Space battles
Somewhere in the Solomons late 1942 to early 1943
Rear Admiral Raizo Tanaka opened his eyes as the sea breeze flowed over his face. 'This does not feel like death. I stayed behind to die with Jintsuu. How...'
Then his eyes looked up to the open sky, and then to the face of the young woman who was carrying him bridal style over the waves.
"O faithful retainer?"
"Hai, Tanaka-dono?"
"Are you carrying my soul to the afterlife?"
"No Tanaka-dono... nani... I'm not sure how to explain this, but I couldn't let you die so I decided to take you to safety. I just couldn't use my hull to do so anymore."
"Ah. In that case I do have one request."
"Yes?"
"Before we reach land or anywhere someone can see us, could you find a more face-saving way of carrying me? My reputation can survive many things, being called Admiral-Hime is not one of them."
Somewhere in the Solomons late 1942 to early 1943
Rear Admiral Raizo Tanaka opened his eyes as the sea breeze flowed over his face. 'This does not feel like death. I stayed behind to die with Jintsuu. How...'
Then his eyes looked up to the open sky, and then to the face of the young woman who was carrying him bridal style over the waves.
"O faithful retainer?"
"Hai, Tanaka-dono?"
"Are you carrying my soul to the afterlife?"
"No Tanaka-dono... nani... I'm not sure how to explain this, but I couldn't let you die so I decided to take you to safety. I just couldn't use my hull to do so anymore."
"Ah. In that case I do have one request."
"Yes?"
"Before we reach land or anywhere someone can see us, could you find a more face-saving way of carrying me? My reputation can survive many things, being called Admiral-Hime is not one of them."
CompassJimbo
Where’s Your North?
- Location
- The former Rubber Capital of the World
Again, I am increasingly convinced that something akin to Tsun Silent, Tsun Deep is going to occur at some point. Even if it's just a tall tale someone made up.
Sakuya's Butler
A refined Butler to a knife wielding Mistress.
- Location
- ↓, ↘, → + Punch
It happened, its classified as all hell, and the incomplete rumors were enough to cause a historical fiction novella series to be written on it that became famous for years, before waning, only to surge in popularity once the true history was declassified.
Just that the truth was so much stranger than the fiction, nobody believes it, and so the legend continued....
Meanwhile, an old man, surrounded by hordes of grandkids, and several suspiciously young looking ladies (even with decades of practice in how to apply 'aging gracefully' make-up), who all smirk/blush at the memories, just facepalms at how nobody believes him. As the girls smirk even more....