Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

And maybe getting a fire lit under the construction of the Iowa class?
Why? What's the point? The US is already building 6 North Carolina and South Dakota class battleships, which are a match for anything the Japanese have - at worst. Besides, I have my doubts they can be built faster. The two classes I just mentioned took three years a ship themselves, and then there's the turret fiasco.

Claimed the flyboys, while it most likely was a Destroyer it´s torp´s that got her.
Think for a moment, if she was so easy to kill, they would have killed her way sooner, yet she died one finally a destroyed gets in range for her torpedo´s?
If you want a cause of good PR, you just found it.
I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

They where swimming in the reactor vat!!!
That's actually rather safe. Water is an extremely good radiation insulator; you can go swimming in a nuclear powerplant's waste storage pool, and the only danger would be the security guards shooting you.
 
Yep things only get hairy once the water is no longer covering the radioactive material. Or said material gets out of its containment vessel on a sub and is exposed to seawater. (By then the sub is dead anyway though)
 
They where swimming in the reactor vat!!!

First, Citation Needed.

Especially since any useful reactor design would have a fully enclosed containment vessel.

Second, water is excellent radiation shielding. You could go swimming in the spent fuel, except you'd die of gunshot wounds before hitting the water.
 
Wut? Where in the world did you hear that? Yamato and Musashi, OTL, were sunk by aerial attack. Shinano sank to a submarine's torpedoes.
Last great sea battle ringing bell?
If those plains can´t sink her in a hour and she only goes down when a ship can get finally close enough to hit her where it hurts, it seems pretty clear to me.
The flyboys claimed the kill and nobody asked question in all those years.
Why? What's the point? The US is already building 6 North Carolina and South Dakota class battleships, which are a match for anything the Japanese have - at worst. Besides, I have my doubts they can be built faster. The two classes I just mentioned took three years a ship themselves, and then there's the turret fiasco.
Speed, the Iowa´s where to be constructed as fast battleships, as a direct counter to the Kongô class.
Meaning they would be able to keep up with the carriers.
That's actually rather safe. Water is an extremely good radiation insulator; you can go swimming in a nuclear powerplant's waste storage pool, and the only danger would be the security guards shooting you.
Not talking about the waste pool, am talking about the pool the nuclear reaction is happening in.
As in, it might also be happening inside of you body as well.
Those rooms are looked up today, for a reason, you know.
First, Citation Needed.

Especially since any useful reactor design would have a fully enclosed containment vessel.

Second, water is excellent radiation shielding. You could go swimming in the spent fuel, except you'd die of gunshot wounds before hitting the water.
Go watch youtube for the discovery program about that project.
Yes, it was taped.
And it was the reactor, not anything else, directly in a active reactor its reaction pool, you know where the nuclear reaction is happening.
 
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Last great sea battle ringing bell?
If those plains can´t sink her in a hour and she only goes down when a ship can get finally close enough to hit her where it hurts, it seems pretty clear to me.
The flyboys claimed the kill and nobody asked question in all those years.
Except that nobody ever except the flyboys has made a claim, because they were the ones responsible. They never got close enough to be in any shipboard torpedo ranges. Gonna need a citation on everything you've been saying. Yamato's 'fate,' and the reactor vat statement.
 
Last great sea battle ringing bell?
If those plains can´t sink her in a hour and she only goes down when a ship can get finally close enough to hit her where it hurts, it seems pretty clear to me.
The flyboys claimed the kill and nobody asked question in all those years.
No American destroyer went anywhere near Yamato or Musashi when they were sunk. It was 100% a carrier aircraft job.

Speed, the Iowa´s where to be constructed as fast battleships, as a direct counter to the Kongô class.
Meaning they would be able to keep up with the carriers.
And?

Those are valid reasons to build them, and in fact you're just parroting the IRL design rationales, but it makes no case for speeding up their construction. Mostly because you completely ignored my comments on the technical infeasibility of doing so.
 
Speed, the Iowa´s where to be constructed as fast battleships, as a direct counter to the Kongô class.
Meaning they would be able to keep up with the carriers.

Horseshit. The North Carolina-class were built to fight the Kongō class. The South Dakota class was the evolution, with improved armor and engines that worked.

Not talking about the waste pool, am talking about the pool the nuclear reaction is happening in.
As in, it might also be happening inside of you body as well.
Those rooms are looked up today, for a reason, you know.

Uh, no. If you try to go swimming in the (sealed, so I'm not sure how you'd get in in the first place) reactor you'll die in hours. Now, I know science wasn't as carefully done in the forties, but I think someone would notice scientists dropping like flies. The only place you could conceivably take a swim and not die in hours is the spent fuel storage pool.

Last great sea battle ringing bell?
If those plains can´t sink her in a hour and she only goes down when a ship can get finally close enough to hit her where it hurts, it seems pretty clear to me.
The flyboys claimed the kill and nobody asked question in all those years.

As has been said before, carrier aviation claimed the kill because they were the only ones in range. If a sub had killed Yamato or Musashi, it would be known. If a tin can got in torpedo range and hit, it would have been all over the news.

Japanese superweapon sunk by American Destroyer!

What newspaper could resist that headline?
 
In other news...


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*insert blushing daughteru-to-Schreiber here*
 
They where swimming in the reactor vat!!!
why is that a problem? Water is a stupidly good radiation moderator, even for gamma rays and fucking neutrons, which can go through more or less anything. One of the XKCD what ifs, which are very well researched, said you get less radiation in the reactor pool than outside the building. I've been to a reactor (Texas A&M has a research reactor, I went there for the weirdest merit badge, nuclear science), the guy who runs it said you could swim in it with little harm if they turned the thing off first.

Probably ninja'd, but it's too late to care.
 
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Say, would he now be able to warn a certain pres about Yamato, the class and the danger of nuclear energy?
And maybe getting a fire lit under the construction of the Iowa class?

Albert Einstein wrote that letter.
The letter was received in 1940, and FDR had created an advisory committee on uranium at that time to start researching possible civilian and (particularly) military applications of nuclear fission. At this point, it's still mainly theoretical and about whether anyone else could develop an atomic bomb (so we would know if we needed to do so as a deterrent), but the committee is in full operation by this time and will, with the start of the war, transform into the Project to Search for Substitute Materials of the Manhattan Engineering District, US Army Corps of Engineers--better known as the Manhattan Project. (I always loved that cover name, ever since I learned it. They really WERE searching for substitute materials, after all--specifically, a substitute for one HELL of a lot of TNT!)

More appropriately, how would he even know about that?

(without using up-time knowledge, mind you)
Well, ONI did know about the Yamatos even before they were launched. Even knew their names. They were convinced they were Iowa-sized equivalents of the SoDaks (45,000 tons, 27 knots, and 16"/45s, with balanced armor) until early 1945, but we did know they existed. And despite the Japanese secrecy, there were still rumors circulating that accurately placed them at about 70,000 tons with 18" guns not long after Yams herself was launched. That said, Thompson would have one HELL of a tough time justifying any attempt to convince ONI of this without doing something insanely provocative like, say, sailing Sara out to just off Tokyo Bay and sending an SBD out to take recon photos of Yokosuka before they could do anything to hide her. (Note: Doing this would probably A: get the SBD shot down, B: get Thompson cashiered for VASTLY exceeding his authority, and C: cause a massive international incident that could well touch off the war early... or at least make the attack on Pearl be considered far less of a dirty move by the public, since we'd already given them a very similar scare.)

Claimed the flyboys, while it most likely was a Destroyer it´s torp´s that got her.
Think for a moment, if she was so easy to kill, they would have killed her way sooner, yet she died once finally a destroyed gets in range for her torpedo´s?
If you want a cause of good PR, you just found it.

And a Sci-fi book a few years before that, used it as a plot.
Thing was very accurate to boot.
Hell, suggesting that test be done to check if deadly radiation exist, before exposing humans to it...
Nobody claimed that the Yamato class were easy kills. Ever. The reason it took so long to kill them with airstrikes was that the early strikes, with dive bombers, had to take out enough of the ship's anti-aircraft batteries to let the torpedo bombers get in and put the real lethal weapons into her. Musashi lasted longer than Yamato simply because we went with the hammer-and-anvil attack pattern to split her AA, resulting in her taking torpedo hits on both sides and remaining upright as she sank; we learned from this and had the torpedo bombers all hit Yamato from the same side, resulting in her capsizing relatively quickly. Note also that late-WW2 numbers for US dive bombing showed that only about 10% of all the bombs dropped actually hit their target, which goes a long way to explain why it took so long to silence the AA batteries. Late-war US torpedo bombers showed about a 40% hit rate, thus further explaining why it took so long to sink them after the AA batteries were silenced.

And the only time, the only time that any American surface ship got within range of either Yamato-class battleship with any organic weapon (as opposed to a carrier aircraft) was Taffy 3's suicidal attack runs during the Battle off Samar, with at least one or two of the destroyers getting within torpedo range of Yamato herself (though they were focused on closer ships). Note that this was the day after Task Force 38's 17 aircraft carriers managed to sink Musashi with their airstrikes. (There were a couple of cases where US submarines got a look at one or the other through their periscopes near Truk, but while technically within torpedo range, they were never able to get into a decent attack position and shoot.)

What danger? We had the only nukes, the only danger was us. He could maybe convince Los Alamos to stop wasting time on gun-type bombs and focus on more easily mass-produced implosion-type bombs so we have more warheads to play with though.
More accurately, stop wasting time on the plutonium gun-assembly device and focus on using it in implosion designs; gun-assembly weapons are actually easier to build (because they literally use a short cannon--a cut-down 155mm howitzer barrel that had never been rifled, in the case of Little Boy--to assemble the device, and a gun isn't too fussy about precisely timed multiple points of ignition); the only hard part is shaping the "target" and "bullet" bits of the pit properly--and that's no harder than properly shaping and assembling an implosion device's pit. The original reason we went to implosion weapons was that the plutonium Hanford produced wasn't pure enough to use in a gun-type weapon; we largely abandoned the gun-type after the war as we found that an implosion design was more efficient and we could thus produce more bombs with the same amount of fissile material--but the amount of HEU that Oak Ridge managed to produce by 1945 wasn't going to be enough for two implosion bombs, anyway, at least with the conservative "it's gotta work!" wartime design.

The real bottleneck in production wasn't the assembly apparatus, anyway, it was production of fissile material for the cores. Hell, we had enough assembly apparatuses that we stopped using concrete-filled bomb cases for training and switched to orange-painted live bombs with inert (iron) cores, called "pumpkins"--they provided much clearer feedback as to how accurate the drop was. We even started having Silverplate B-29s drop "pumpkins" on Japanese targets on actual combat missions, since they contained about 4000 pounds of explosive each and would do quite a bit of damage--plus, it would help keep the Japanese from realizing anything special was up with the actual nuclear attacks, since these were flown the same way, with one bomber and two camera ships; the Japanese would see three B-29s coming in in formation after the morning weather recon B-29 pass, and think it was just another pumpkin raid, as the conventional raids were mass formations at night. And if anyone saw the lead ship drop something big, well, it's just another "pumpkin," nothing special, right?

Especially since any useful reactor design would have a fully enclosed containment vessel.
Not true. Many low-power reactors used for research (and, back at the time, for production of weapons-grade plutonium) are simply housed in cooling pools with no containment vessel, as their design limits their maximum theoretical uncontrolled yield to energy levels that ordinary construction can withstand. It's only when you want to up the power output to the levels where you can generate useful amounts of energy from the reactor that you have to worry about containment. Indeed, Fermi's original reactor was an air-cooled, uncontained pile under a squash court at the University of Chicago.

Horseshit. The North Carolina-class were built to fight the Kongō class. The South Dakota class was the evolution, with improved armor and engines that worked.
No, the North Carolinas were designed to counter the new generation of fast battleships that were being built by a number of powers. It was thought that they could counter the Kongous, but we didn't know at the time that the Kongous had been rebuilt to increase their speed to 30 knots. The SoDaks were a compromise, compressing the ship to basically fit the North Carolina armament and speed into a package light enough to allow the armor to be increased to regain balance with the 16"/45. (Remember, the NCs were originally designed with four-gun 14"/50 turrets and balanced armor, and were changed during construction to the 16"/45, unbalancing their design.)

The Iowas were supposed to address two things--the excessive congestion of the hull on the severely compressed SoDaks (by using the extra 10,000 tons freed up by the Second London Treaty escalator clause, once it was invoked, to make the hull larger and provide more volume), and to quell the Navy's internal panic when we DID learn that the Kongous could make 30 knots and the NCs and SoDaks thus couldn't force them to action. That latter point is why we spent so much weight to gain nothing but six knots and a slightly larger gun (the armor package was virtually identical to the SoDaks), and also why we built the Alaskas--the theory was that the Kongous (and, presumably, any replacements Japan built) were fast enough to hunt down carrier task forces and attack them at night, when their planes couldn't defend them; the Iowas and Alaskas were intended to act as heavy escorts for the carriers just in case that happened.

Evidence that the Iowas were very much a special-purpose design can be found in the fact that, except for a very few early sketches done to examine the weight implications of retaining Iowa-level speed, all the designs for the Montana class reverted to the 28 knot speed of the NCs and SoDaks; it seems very much that the USN planned on, as in the past, sacrificing some speed to maximize firepower and protection.

Uh, no. If you try to go swimming in the (sealed, so I'm not sure how you'd get in in the first place) reactor you'll die in hours. Now, I know science wasn't as carefully done in the forties, but I think someone would notice scientists dropping like flies. The only place you could conceivably take a swim and not die in hours is the spent fuel storage pool.
Again, this is not entirely true and even today, low-power research reactors have divers do a lot of work with everything but the spent fuel elements, because A) water is a very good radiation shield, and B) when the reactor's not running, its radiation output is quite low. If it was an unshielded reactor, or a high-power one, or was running at full power at the time, you'd be right, but even water-shielded research reactors have a certain amount of metal shielding around them specifically so that people can safely work on things like control rod motors and swapping out samples without dying.

(Interesting note: the spent-fuel pool at a large power reactor is somewhere you can theoretically swim in safely... as long as you don't get too close to the spent fuel elements, because within about 10 feet or so, you'd still be taking a massive dose of radiation, at least at the start of the cooling-down period. Of course, you'd be shot dead by the guards before you ever got near the pool anyway...)
 
Well, ONI did know about the Yamatos even before they were launched. Even knew their names. They were convinced they were Iowa-sized equivalents of the SoDaks (45,000 tons, 27 knots, and 16"/45s, with balanced armor) until early 1945, but we did know they existed. And despite the Japanese secrecy, there were still rumors circulating that accurately placed them at about 70,000 tons with 18" guns not long after Yams herself was launched. That said, Thompson would have one HELL of a tough time justifying any attempt to convince ONI of this without doing something insanely provocative like, say, sailing Sara out to just off Tokyo Bay and sending an SBD out to take recon photos of Yokosuka before they could do anything to hide her. (Note: Doing this would probably A: get the SBD shot down, B: get Thompson cashiered for VASTLY exceeding his authority, and C: cause a massive international incident that could well touch off the war early... or at least make the attack on Pearl be considered far less of a dirty move by the public, since we'd already given them a very similar scare.)
Not entirely true. The US Navy got its first evidence of the Yamato class' size and gunpower when they did reconnaissance overflights of Truk in February 1944, got corroborating evidence from a talkative prisoner, and then probably confirmed it during Sibuyan Sea. Yes, it took until early 1945 to get that information disseminated to the fleet as a whole, but the intelligence community had a good idea a year before.
 
On nukes, do remember that Thompson spent the bulk of his pre-Abyssal career on DDGs, not working on the reactors that power Virginia SSNs or Nimitz CVNs. He likely knows very little about nuclear physics, and can't really get involved with the Manhattan Project, anyway.
 
even then, I don't think Thompson would have any more of an idea about what makes a reactor work than what you might learn in high school. I could be wrong, however.
 
Let's see.... I'm thinking it's omake time once again. But not a Wichita snip. Nope, this is a short one off for right now, unless Sky really really likes it. So here goes:

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Kure Naval Base
10 PM mid September 1941


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Raizo Tanaka gazed up at the nightsky from the side of his new command ship's bridge.

"Strange are the turns of fate." A small smile crosses his face and he turns to face the open hatch door to the bridge. Once more he speaks.

Walking down a path
sakura petals return
me to an old friend


He waits and then sighs. "Very well, it was a poor haiku and not even the right season. But it is for me a return to an old friend. And yes, I am talking to you Jintsu." His eyes light up and the corners of his mouth edge upwards in the slightest smirk at the shocked expression of the young woman in the hatchway, kneeling in seiza.

"You can SEE me?"

"I can hear you as well. I kept hearing your humming while you straightened my desk. And your suggestions about when to take tea. I had to observe the crew closely to make certain I wasn't hallucinating."

Walking out to stand in front of her new Admiral, the light cruiser Jintsu asked, "How long have you been able to see me then?"

"Since the change of command ceremony as I came on board. I steeled myself against any response as I thought your presence was a prank. Then I saw crewmen walking through you and I began to wonder if there was something in the tea." He chuckled. "Then my desk started being far more tidy than my usual habit."

"Does that upset you Admiral Tanaka-dono?"

His left eyebrow raised in amusement at the honorific for a moment, Tanaka allowed his face to return to stoic passivity. "No, o competent retainer, but after you've been sorting I can't find anything!" He tried holding the smirk back, but failed as he saw her flustered expression. "It's fine really."

"What am I to do with you Admiral-dono? All I wish is to serve you to the utmost, and you must make jokes?" Her tone and expression remained gentle as always but Tanaka felt the hairs on the back of his neck raise as he recognized the steel behind the smile.

"I apologize Jintsu, but I am only making merry while peace allows it. All too soon things will be far too serious. Winter is coming Jintsu and war shortly behind it. We must enjoy the stars while we can."

"As you command Admiral-dono."

"Jintsu?"

"Hai?"

"Why is your dress as orange as the harbor buoys?"

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Maybe? Most of his time since taking command of the 2nd DesDiv has been aboard Jintsu. On which he served as her captain in the past so the history there is a little more solid tie.
 
"Congratulations on your new command, Taisa. However, I must forewarn you: Naka is somewhat...quirky. But there is rarely a time when she does not have a smile for you. Take care of her."
--Letter from Captain Akiyama Teruo to Captain Baron Ijuin Matsuji, upon the latter assuming command of Naka, 11 August 1941.

"An interesting tidbit of information: whenever we conduct night battle training, the ship always seems to perform better. An extra knot or two out of the engines, the torpedoes always explode on impact, and the guns never miss. And when the sun sets and the crew goes to General Quarters, she almost seems to shudder in excitement. Myself, Cdr Yamada (XO) and Cdr Takada (Chief Engineer) have all noticed this. It's been said in the past that ships have souls...one cannot help but wonder if this is her soul's way of interacting with us. I personally like to think she enjoys the training as much as we do."
--Log book entry by Captain Shimazaki Toshio, Commanding Officer of Sendai, September 1941
 
"A curious phenomenon has been happening lately...whenever one refers to Tirpitz as 'he', the ship seems slow to respond to turns, the sights for the guns are off, and one time when the Chief Engineer did it, somehow a bearing sprung a leak and doused his brand-new uniform in oil...completely ruined it. In contrast, when we refer to the ship as 'she', everything seems to go right. Curious indeed."
--Log entry of Kapitän zur See Karl Topp, Commanding Officer of Tirpitz, December 1940

"Despite myself and Schneider advising the Kapitän that all ships are feminine, he insists Bismarck is still a 'he' rather than a 'she'. Myself and Schneider are of a different opinion, but our proof is so outlandish, we have to be seeing things! A Valkyrie of near-unimaginable beauty appears at random times and claims to be our ship! She has summarily informed us that she is quite displeased at being referred to as male, and - despite her seemingly-deep attachment for him - the next time the Kapitän does this, she will introduce one of the 10.5 cm guns to his head. Naturally, we're concerned for the Kapitän's safety, but if we warned him about this, we'd be off to the Fleet Funny Farm quicker than you can say 'Heil Hitler'. This is certainly a dilemma. If this Valkyrie truly is Bismarck, I hope she keeps her existence secret from the majority of the crew...sailors are known to get quite rowdy amongst beautiful women."
--Personal diary of Fregattenkapitän Hans Oels, First Watch Officer, Bismarck, December 1940
 
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"Despite myself and Schneider advising the Kapitän that all ships are feminine, he insists Bismarck is still a 'he' rather than a 'she'. Myself and Schneider are of a different opinion, but our proof is so outlandish, we have to be seeing things! A Valkyrie of near-unimaginable beauty appears at random times and claims to be our ship! She has summarily informed us that she is quite displeased at being referred to by the opposite sex, and the next time the Kapitän does this, she will introduce one of the 10.5 cm guns to his head. Naturally, we're concerned for the Kapitän's safety, but if we warned him about this, we'd be off to the Fleet Funny Farm quicker than you can say 'Heil Hitler'. This is certainly a dilemma."
--Personal diary of Fregattenkapitän Hans Oels, First Watch Officer, Bismarck, December 1940
But Schrieber is on board Biscuit
 
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