Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

King is the classic example of the grouchy officer who hates everyone around him and is hated by everyone around him.


Halsey is in the other end of the spectrum. Grouchy but genuinely cares for those in his command. See also: George Patton when he's not slapping soldiers suffering from shell shock.
 
Now the perfect hit resulting in the Mark 14 not exploding. It was found that if the torpedo struck at an odd angle the thing would explode. So American Submarine captains began to plot their firing solutions so that the torpedo would hit at an odd angle with it's contact warhead and it would work like a charm, most of the time.
 
Now the perfect hit resulting in the Mark 14 not exploding. It was found that if the torpedo struck at an odd angle the thing would explode. So American Submarine captains began to plot their firing solutions so that the torpedo would hit at an odd angle with it's contact warhead and it would work like a charm, most of the time.
Even then is a pain in the ass since it limits your tactical options, especially when you don't have the space, time or opportunity to plot that kind of shot, not to mention the additional problem that if the target in question begins evasive actions they get hit in the wrong angle and therefore getting a save they weren't supposed to.
 
King is the classic example of the grouchy officer who hates everyone around him and is hated by everyone around him.


Halsey is in the other end of the spectrum. Grouchy but genuinely cares for those in his command. See also: George Patton when he's not slapping soldiers suffering from shell shock.

True, but that doesn't make King ineffective. Just drop him on some poor bastards who deserve it.

Like BuOrd.
 
The question is if King is not the head honcho of the Navy then who? Say what you will about him (I personally hate his treatment of the survivors of Savo Island and the Indianapolis skipper) but he was a competent leader of a Navy fighting all over the seven seas and who faced some serious political opposition without backing down. I don't think even Nimitz got at this point the kind of political and burocratic savvy to take his place, and frankly beyond the pacific admirals I lack the knowledge to even start thinking of anyone that got the necessary rank to even being considered.
 
The question is if King is not the head honcho of the Navy then who? Say what you will about him (I personally hate his treatment of the survivors of Savo Island and the Indianapolis skipper) but he was a competent leader of a Navy fighting all over the seven seas and who faced some serious political opposition without backing down. I don't think even Nimitz got at this point the kind of political and burocratic savvy to take his place, and frankly beyond the pacific admirals I lack the knowledge to even start thinking of anyone that got the necessary rank to even being considered.
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King was vital in making sure that the Atlantic and European theater got the naval support it required despite the pressure from the pacific front.
 
Now the perfect hit resulting in the Mark 14 not exploding. It was found that if the torpedo struck at an odd angle the thing would explode. So American Submarine captains began to plot their firing solutions so that the torpedo would hit at an odd angle with it's contact warhead and it would work like a charm, most of the time.

This is an artefact of the contact detonator being too fragile. A "skewed" hit puts less force on the contact detonator.

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King was vital in making sure that the Atlantic and European theater got the naval support it required despite the pressure from the pacific front.

What? No, King was vital in making sure the strategy was "Europe First" instead of "only Europe".
 
This is an artefact of the contact detonator being too fragile. A "skewed" hit puts less force on the contact detonator.



What? No, King was vital in making sure the strategy was "Europe First" instead of "only Europe".
Yeah
That is what I meant.
Despite the threat of the Japanese, the Europe first strategy was needed.
 
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Yeah
That is what I meant.
Despite the threat of the Japanese, the Europe first strategy was needed.

I think you're still missing the point. King was vital in making sure that the Pacific Theater had sufficient resources to keep the Japanese threat contained while Europe was handled.
 
True, but that doesn't make King ineffective. Just drop him on some poor bastards who deserve it.

Like BuOrd.
*wince* I would claim that such a punishment violates the Geneva Conventions, except that

A) those don't even exist yet, and won't until after the war; and
B) BuOrd actually deserves far worse, if only because of all the lives lost due to their pigheadedness over the Mark 14.
 
Chapter 6: Torpedoes

This article brings the history of the faulty torpedoes in a different light that the norm.
"IF you want to fill 'em with air, bomb 'em; if you want to fill 'em with water, torpedo 'em." Such was the succinct appraisal of the torpedo made by a veteran pilot. And the superiority he recognized over bombs could be extended to cover the wide range of projectiles, for no weapon in the war proved half as destructive to enemy capital ships as the "fish." Yet for every complimentary comment, a host of damning ones echoed back from the war zones. United States torpedoes were variously described as running too deep, not exploding, exploding too soon, or not packing enough punch when they did explode.

The indictment unfolded point by point during the first 2 years of war. As each defect was exposed, the morale of the submariners who risked their lives to take the war to the enemy suffered, the enemy was given further respite from the full potential of torpedo warfare, and the Bureau of Ordnance was faced with the task of uncovering and correcting the mistakes of peacetime. Considering the extreme complexity of torpedoes, the job would have been a challenge under almost any circumstances, and the problem was compounded by the Bureau's reluctance to accept the fleet evaluation of its weapons. This reluctance was born not of any petty attempts to cover past errors, but from misplaced confidence in its own past work. And that confidence was occasionally bolstered even when the inadequacies of torpedoes were being exposed, because the evidence that came in from fleet commands was often contradictory.
 
King is the classic example of the grouchy officer who hates everyone around him and is hated by everyone around him.

Those pop-up every now and then, in every country. They do often earn the grudging respect of their subordinates who, despite hating their guts, recognize how good they are at their job nonetheless. Leslie Groves is another example...
 
lets be honest, the Atlantic got far more support than it needed there when it came to capital ships.
What makes you say that? Because aside from a few stints on Tirpitz watch and Torch, the fast battleships tended to go to the Pacific pretty quickly and they were the only capital ships that were a. first-line units and b. spent more than shakedown in the Atlantic.
 
Frankly considering the vast difference between the battlefields in Asia and the Pacific compared with Africa and Europe and the relative strenghts of the Royal Navy compared with their local opposition meant that other than the merchant navy there were little military resources that were in simultaneous demand for both theaters of operations.

The Pacific had little need for tanks, and those requirements were satisfied with light armor, obsolete in North Africa but irresistible against the japanese. Likewise the use of the Navy's capital ships was secondary to destroyer escorts and carriers like the Ranger, too slow and vulnerable for modern naval warfare but ideal as an anti-submarine plataform. Even the Fletcher class destroyer saw a lot less action in the Atlantic than the Pacific, being a little too top heavy to constantly deal with rough seas.

Even planes, the one thing that was equally useful in both theaters, were limited by a constant bottleneck in available strips within strike range of the frontline, something far less problematic in England for obvious reasons.
 
Frankly considering the vast difference between the battlefields in Asia and the Pacific compared with Africa and Europe and the relative strenghts of the Royal Navy compared with their local opposition meant that other than the merchant navy there were little military resources that were in simultaneous demand for both theaters of operations.

The Pacific had little need for tanks, and those requirements were satisfied with light armor, obsolete in North Africa but irresistible against the japanese. Likewise the use of the Navy's capital ships was secondary to destroyer escorts and carriers like the Ranger, too slow and vulnerable for modern naval warfare but ideal as an anti-submarine plataform. Even the Fletcher class destroyer saw a lot less action in the Atlantic than the Pacific, being a little too top heavy to constantly deal with rough seas.

Even planes, the one thing that was equally useful in both theaters, were limited by a constant bottleneck in available strips within strike range of the frontline, something far less problematic in England for obvious reasons.
Problem is, one of those few military that's in demand for both theaters is shipping, which is enormously important for both theaters. The Guadalcanal campaign, for instance, suffered constant problems on the American side getting enough shipping available with the competing demands from the ETO. I'll bet that's what King was fighting for.
 
Yeah, the merchant navy was really thin in the theater, and in many ways if the japanese had done a proper submarine campaign aimed against the commerce navy they might have forced the issue at Guadacanal or at least limit the expansion of Henderson Field. It was the allies good luck that the japanese never though in terms of an strategic resource denial campaign instead of their more direct methods of dealing with the opponent.
 
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*wince* I would claim that such a punishment violates the Geneva Conventions, except that

A) those don't even exist yet, and won't until after the war; and
B) BuOrd actually deserves far worse, if only because of all the lives lost due to their pigheadedness over the Mark 14.
The original Geneva Conventions pre-date WW1......

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Speaking of Ranger, here's hoping someone drops a line about the early helicopters (which already existed pre-WW2) and oceanic SAR/CSAR operations. They're literally one the best things ever designed for that kind of work, and easily beat a flying boat in most ways. To say nothing of what even a primitive helicopter can do against submarines in a spotter role (hello hovering).
 
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Problem is, one of those few military that's in demand for both theaters is shipping, which is enormously important for both theaters. The Guadalcanal campaign, for instance, suffered constant problems on the American side getting enough shipping available with the competing demands from the ETO. I'll bet that's what King was fighting for.


Didn't the Norwegian government in exile put the resources of their merchant shipping fleet, reputedly the world's fourth largest at the time, at the disposal of the British?
 
I'm sure this can only end well.

Joking aside, the note in the second post is important in there for in here. Destiny is my main focus fic of those four listed. This does, however, mean that TKA is now the secondary KC focus.

This being said, after I update Salvation (which really needs the second chapter) I'm going to get to Roosevelt in here. And won't that be fun.
 
I'm going to get to Roosevelt in here. And won't that be fun.

I bet. Especially since the man represents an enigma in one very important respect: best I can tell, we have absolutely no idea how his thought processes worked when it came to making decisions. He left no records which truly would give indication of that and his tendency towards deceptive behavior was so marked that even his most ardent admirers complained about it, so we can't really trust the impressions others got of his decision making process.
 
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Didn't the Norwegian government in exile put the resources of their merchant shipping fleet, reputedly the world's fourth largest at the time, at the disposal of the British?
Even if they did, the US was shipping a literally metric fuckton of gear across the pond. They needed probably the vast majority of it to do that. Then the rest was sent to the Capetown (to ship things to India), Mombasa (same), Gibraltar (to ship to the Med/North Africa).
 




If the link works...have a bit of British humor :V


*back to binge reading Destroyermen*

(will get back to writing when I'm done with that task)
 
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