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And the possibility of more time travelers.
Changing Destiny (Kancolle)
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Like, as in, the ship sinks, the spirit as of that point in time is sent back to the 1920s or something, or do you mean that when a ship sinks, it's 21st century summoned shipgirl is sent back in time?
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I mean, a Japanese admiral from the JMSDF and brought up basically on pacifist principles for all his life would basically be mentally broken at seeing the country that forced Japan to become pacifist in the first place.And just think about this. As crappy as Schreiber's situation is, imagine the hot mess the poor time traveling Japanese admiral (if there is one) has to navigate.
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Thing is, in WWII not all Germans were Nazis, Erwin Rommel, Erich Hartmann, etc. all come to mind.
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Czlyydwr Llrngwl
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There's also Ernst Udet, who was a member of the Nazi Party (because you weren't anyone if you weren't in Germany at the time) but got along with them so poorly that he suicided in late 1941. Too early to be in the story, sadly, unless Shreiber (sp?) somehow butterflied that earlier despite being in a different service (Udet was a pilot in WWI and Director-General of Equipment for the Luftwaffe.) A very useful ally if it could be managed, but I suspect that kind of high-level contact would have come up in the narrative if they were available, even if there are oblique mentions of Shreiber having expended a lot of his political capital trying to delay and build up AA strength.
I mention it mainly because Udet is one of my favorite historical figures, as the highest scoring ace of WWI to survive the war.
I mention it mainly because Udet is one of my favorite historical figures, as the highest scoring ace of WWI to survive the war.
The sortie's probably happening too early for the supercharges, I believe.
Although an internet source I understand this site to be reliable -
15-inch (38.1 cm) Mark I - NavWeaps
The rate at which these ships could be modernized was limited and by the start of World War II Malaya, Barham, Repulse and the five Royal Sovereign class battleships had not yet been upgraded. Royal Oak, Barham and Repulse were sunk early in the war, but the remaining unmodernized ships were given a "Super Charge" which consisted of the largest possible propellant charge that the guns and mountings could safely handle. These were issued starting in late 1941 and at the maximum elevation of 20 degrees allowed a range of 28,700 yards (26,240 m). However, from a study of the records, it would appear that no ship ever fired a shot using Super Charges, although they were used by the coastal artillery at Dover. Super Charges were not issued to ships with 30 degree mountings as the increased barrel wear and mounting stress was not considered to be acceptable. For this reason, sources which quote HMS Vanguard as having gun ranges in excess of 32,000 yards (29,260 m) are somewhat misleading, as such a range would have required the use of super charges, which she never carried.
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Problem with the supercharge guns, is that while it gets impressive range out of the 20 degree elevation, the Revenge class wouldn't have been able to use them that effectively. Because due to the stability problems that the class had, doing any sort of major modernization like new FCS simply wasn't doable, that sort of thing is very heavy after all and replacing it could screw the whole balance issue over, so while a Revenge class could hit Bismarck at that range, would her FCS be able to track her? Remember the Revenge class ships were built at a time when battleships, which were going to be the main target for a ship like the Revenge class, couldn't go faster 21 knots and there were few exceptions to that rule. Here Bismarck can do twenty-eight knots, hell if they run machinery ragged a Bismarck class could probably achieve 30 plus knots. Given the fact that Bismarck has radar FCS, I mean it's not American Aimbots, but it's still adequate she can easily acquire and hammer a Revenge class far faster than a Revenge class would be able to acquire and hammer Bismarck.
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Ivan the Not-so-Terrible
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No? Bismarck has surface search radar, but it lacked the precision to use it for fire control rangefinding. The FuMO 23's inability to use lobe switching gave it too much uncertainty in bearing.
PAGDTenno
Verified Warmind. Probably on fire.
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30? Maybe. Over? Virtually impossible. Every knot past twenty is harder than the previous by a lot. Getting from 28 to 30 is easier than getting from 30 to 31.
Sir_Gaea
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I meant that the Spirit is freed from her hull if sunk (in WW2) and sent back before the war. So if say, Arizona got sunk she would go back in time to....1920s? Where upon she tries to find her Admiral Thompson to be with him. Which, as we see hasn't happened as James doesn't have a girlfriend.
Though there was that Omake with Pennsylvania confronting James...
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I an not an expert in hydrodynamics, but thanks for putting that bit of information out.
DawnofWar32
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Uh, this may be derailing the thread a bit, but when will you crosspost the remaining chapters of this story to FanFiction? Just curious.
Mizu
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Writing Hitler can't have been fun. Poor German admiral.
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Let me put this out there for everyone,
NOT EVERYONE IN THE GERMAN ARMED FORCES WAS A NAZI.
As someone who has a friend who's father was in the German Army it really is worth noting that. It was the only time I've ever seen him ready to fight anyone. So please be mindful of who you are referring to. Nazi is a political party. SS in most cases are also Nazis. Regular German soldiers.sailors/pilots aren't Nazis.
NOT EVERYONE IN THE GERMAN ARMED FORCES WAS A NAZI.
As someone who has a friend who's father was in the German Army it really is worth noting that. It was the only time I've ever seen him ready to fight anyone. So please be mindful of who you are referring to. Nazi is a political party. SS in most cases are also Nazis. Regular German soldiers.sailors/pilots aren't Nazis.
But on SB they do say that the Wermacht being clean is a myth.
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(Sorry for wall of text writing on phone is difficult )
Uh we kinda established this but it isn't good to reiterate however the vast majority of people that the good admiral will be dealing with are going to be ether nazi or faking it to stay in their positions in life , this is gonna be a rough couple chapters (I'm guess we will be spending the next 3-5 chapters in German hands sky ? )
for sky to write so let's not side track into the "nazis nazis nazis" shenanigans let's focus on the implications of the fact that hitler probably just put schrieber down on the good officer maybe inner circle officer list or at the very least put him on a watch list for having the balls to tell him the truth
Burning Baron
This position needs more entrenching.
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Few were then. Read the book 'Enemy At The Gates;' it paints a very vivid image of what the full Volga campaign was like, along the entirety of the Sixth Army's lines.
Skywalker_T-65
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To keep things very simple:
Yes, not every German was a Nazi. The KM, in particular, was probably the one with the least fervent party members.
However, one cannot understate the popularity of the Party at this point. You're more likely to find someone who at least pays lip service to the Nazis than you are to not. In the military where you have to swear a personal oath to Hitler this is especially true. Again, not everyone is a Nazi but most everyone is at least going to pay lip service to being one if they don't know/trust the person they're talking to enough. And at this point in time Hitler is still at the height of his popularity.
Either way:
At the least.
As I've said before, the next little mini-arc is going to be focused on Schreiber and friends.
Yes, not every German was a Nazi. The KM, in particular, was probably the one with the least fervent party members.
However, one cannot understate the popularity of the Party at this point. You're more likely to find someone who at least pays lip service to the Nazis than you are to not. In the military where you have to swear a personal oath to Hitler this is especially true. Again, not everyone is a Nazi but most everyone is at least going to pay lip service to being one if they don't know/trust the person they're talking to enough. And at this point in time Hitler is still at the height of his popularity.
Either way:
At the least.
As I've said before, the next little mini-arc is going to be focused on Schreiber and friends.
Czlyydwr Llrngwl
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Hiter and the National Socialists took Germany from an economy wrecked by the reparations imposed after WWI and turned it back into a powerhouse fit to stand with the giants on the world stage in just over a decade, a miracle recovery by any standard. If only they'd continued in that vein or left it at that, instead of trying to take the leading role by storm. But then, there's a reason that most of a century later Hitler and his inner circle are still the models for megalomaniacal evil.
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As has been said by many before, Hitler took Germany one of the biggest powers in Europe to the smallest in Berlin. They did not benefit Germany in any way.
Always Late
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Well, long-term.
If Schreiber at his point in time asked someone if the party had benefitted Germany, they'd look at him like 'that's a stupid question'. Then they'd call the local Gestappo for asking wierd questions.
Burning Baron
This position needs more entrenching.
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As I said earlier, Hitler was Man of The Year once. He 'got the trains running on time.' He also expanded the industrial capabilities, before he took the Rhine back. He got Germany back to work.
Skywalker_T-65
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It's been said before that if Hitler had spontaneously dropped dead at/around the Munich Conference he would be remembered as one of the greatest statesmen in German history, right up there with Bismarck. I don't necessarily agree with this because his policies would have ruined Germany in the long run even without a war- the German economy was going to collapse without the spoils of war it took -and if there were a war caused by his successors that would forever tarnish his reputation.
Still, that is what makes it so very difficult to write him. Because with hindsight we know the man was a complete monster...but at the time at least in Germany...
Still, that is what makes it so very difficult to write him. Because with hindsight we know the man was a complete monster...but at the time at least in Germany...