Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
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- Ohio
If I was a ninja, I'd have cat ears and be a never-discovered princess to a well-known family.EDIT: Damn, you beat me to it, but nice one. Move like a ninja
Changing Destiny (Kancolle)
- Thread starter Skywalker_T-65
- Start date
DawnofWar32
War is coming. Prepare yourselves!
- Location
- Butuan City, The Philippines
But you will need magic to do that.....If I was a ninja, I'd have cat ears and be a never-discovered princess to a well-known family.
Skywalker_T-65
Will all the ships be white in this fic?
I just asking out of curiosity since in the omake at least one American ship was Japanese American.
I just think it would interesting to see how people react if one ship came back Native American and etc?
This is a fan design of an Native American USS Hornet
Will all the ships be white in this fic?
I just asking out of curiosity since in the omake at least one American ship was Japanese American.
I just think it would interesting to see how people react if one ship came back Native American and etc?
This is a fan design of an Native American USS Hornet
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Breakaway25
All hail the Mighty Tomcat
- Location
- Stuck on the Quarterdeck
Eh, never really did care much for PF's ONE OVERPPOWERING TRAIT character design
Skywalker_T-65
Writer with too many ideas.
- Location
- United States
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- Plural/They/He/Her
Not a fan of KCQ, as I've said at several points. Don't expect anything from that in here, at all.
As far as non-white ships go, I've already said some aren't white. Mississippi being the example I used.
Also, my subs tend to fall around 15-17 in age. Skip just looks really young because she's shy and her only notable curves are her hips.
As far as non-white ships go, I've already said some aren't white. Mississippi being the example I used.
Also, my subs tend to fall around 15-17 in age. Skip just looks really young because she's shy and her only notable curves are her hips.
Ah sorry
I only read the story posts and missed it.
It would be interesting to see their reaction to non white shipgirls.
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
Interesting to see institutionalized and casual racism?
Your taste certainly is... interesting.
The past is a completely different world than the present.
As a Korean American, I am disgusted with racism. But I feel that having people's beliefs challenged by changing events or phenomena would be interesting.
That the ships that they sailed on and trusted to bring them home are non-white would shock them at the very least.
It would challenge their perceptions and cause massive shockwaves throughout their society.
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Imagine how Native Americans, Blacks, and Asian Americans would react to see that some US warships, the very symbol of American military might, are the same ethnicity as them. It challenges the very perception that Whites are superior to nonwhites.
It means that they too share a place in American society and culture.
Of course, people will deny this statement but it is clear as day.
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- Location
- Pacific NW
Or the captains and commanders of the ships in question would simply request to their spirits to not be visible to the crew and communicate only with the designated officers. Be heard and not seen as to maintain military discipline, blah blah, etc. Whether that would be successful or not is another matter entirely, but I could see that being the initial protocols handed down from the Flags to not add to the existing political shitstorm.
Spectre
eternal servant to the Fire/EMS gods
- Location
- NY
which is great in theory but considering that it seems the crew are more likely to see them first except for a few cases not very practical in application.
- Location
- In the depts of despair.
One of the advantages of having Thompson is that he can recommend additional medical facilities aboard Big E and sell the idea to Halsey under the premise that if he's going to work his Task Force as hard as he can he might as well have the doctors on hand to treat casualties as well as the kind of maladies found in the pacific. And when the hardware is deployed he can move some strings to get the kind of specialist that Halsey will need in the future without outright telling the real reason why there is at least a dermatologist on his ship.
our dear author has already answered the age thing for subs. So there is a possibility of a hot as sin sub. Just put her in a onepice and one is good to go. or just make her a BB. The point is still the same.
True. But what if the girls themselves are want perversion? IIRC, frisco was making eyes at one of her crew. What then?
Hypothetically, if frisco got involved with said crewman, he would be so resented.
Pretty much. I have this hilarious image in my head of navy guys saying they don't need or what female crewmen. They already have women.
I wonder why they even bother giving her a skirt.
She from here: Pacific: World War II U.S. Navy Shipgirls (Fanfic) - TV Tropes
A question, is the fluff about them returning during the Korean war in the artbook or somewhere else. I'm confused.
Indeed. A lot of motivation to prevent pain or suffering as much as possible to someone young enough to be their little sister or daughter.
I mean who wants to see this little girl on fire or bleeding:
yes, yes, she is IJN but for arguments sakes, lets have her represent USN destroyers.
Now I wonder if the USN crew will have ruthlessness to destroy IJN destroyers knowing they are also kids.
Why if I may ask? Just curious and will not argue back at you or anything.
But thats boring!
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Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
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- Ohio
Uh, the past was what I was referring to.
This is what you're really advocating. 'challenge' is a word that carries certain implications. You're implying that people either rise above racism, 'success', or hold onto the racist parts culture, 'fail'.
If you want to say you hope being on a ship that has a non-white spirit will make them less racist, just say so. Don't play coy.
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I am sorry. Were you offended by my remarks in any way?
I really do not see how you and I disagree?
Why so hostile to the guy your replying to.
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DawnofWar32
War is coming. Prepare yourselves!
- Location
- Butuan City, The Philippines
Woah, woah, hold that thought. Let's not fight among ourselves, okay?
Burning Baron
This position needs more entrenching.
- Location
- In here, not out there.
Indeed. There's no fighting here. This is the
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
I am not offended, and apologize for coming across as hostile, and not making my point effectively.
@newwriter, I think you already know exactly what you want to see, and it seemed to me that you were trying to make it seem open-ended.
And what I think you want to see, you're not really going to get.
The American Civil Rights Movement is still two-plus decades away. The military is heavily segregated, even having separate bloodbanks for afro-american servicemen. There is next to nothing our protagonist or the shipgirls can do to stop a nationwide surge of anti-Japanese sentiment* after Peal Harbor. At best, a nisei shipgirl will have a captain who keeps her separated from the crew.** An afro-american shipgirl will still have to deal with the perception they should not be 'doing' combat duties. Our protagonist is not in a position to talk Roosevelt out of the Japanese-American Internment camps.
You seem to want the US military to overcome the heavy racism of the time period because of non-white shipgirls.
I think you will be sorely disappointed.
*Which will reach all-new heights in the war.
**And I'm not even getting into how many officers and crew will outright refuse to serve with one.
Skywalker_T-65
Writer with too many ideas.
- Location
- United States
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All I'll say on the subject is I know what I'm getting into here. The non-white ship girls are by no means going to be a focus of the story, but I will- and do -fully acknowledge they won't have particularly fun times.* It's just how things were at the time, and short of running on the idea that the ships are formed by what their crew thinks- I'm one who doesn't put much stock in 'crew forms girl' because ships have thousands of people over years of service -I can't very well make the entire USN all-white.
I mean, I could.
But that would be just as racist as the potential problems with non-white girls.
The only real question is which ones aren't white, and why they aren't white. For which I have ideas, but it's well in the future. Possibly better looked at in omakes. But well in the future regardless.
*of course, with SV's rules on the matter, I can't actually show just how bad it would probably get. On both a sexist and racist note.
Same situation even with Those Wacky Nazis. I can show they're bad and all that, but I can't get into the real details of it. Even with the ability to run this by the mods before posting a questionable chapter.
I mean, I could.
But that would be just as racist as the potential problems with non-white girls.
The only real question is which ones aren't white, and why they aren't white. For which I have ideas, but it's well in the future. Possibly better looked at in omakes. But well in the future regardless.
*of course, with SV's rules on the matter, I can't actually show just how bad it would probably get. On both a sexist and racist note.
Same situation even with Those Wacky Nazis. I can show they're bad and all that, but I can't get into the real details of it. Even with the ability to run this by the mods before posting a questionable chapter.
- Location
- Pacific NW
And until we actually see them in story, all we are doing is a lot of speculative thinking. At this moment in the story, just imagine the theological WTF that will happen when this goes public. The Catholic Church is going to have to issue a Summa Nautica to determine if ship spirits are human souls, etc.
I think only Christianity and Islam will have an issue with and wtf! Other religions will simply see this as proof of their beliefs. Buddhism or Hinduism may well just say that they are merely souls of humans who have reincarnated as ships and when dead will incarnate as something else. Just more souls trapped in the reincarnation process. Shinto or animism is proven true and they may try and see what else have souls which we won't see cause this is Kantai collection.
Shroobmaster
Commander of the fun guy army
- Location
- california
Someone still needs to go out and update this fic's tvtropes page. It's a bit outdated.
Especially the characters page.
Especially the characters page.
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Edit: thanks, I was worried that I might have offended you
That is all true, but that the war will change that, it will certainly not happen immediately, but it will happen. Without question, the US Navy is racist. But even they should have the brain not to waste perfectly good warships during wartime. In fact, the service of nonwhite ship girls should change the perceptions of at least some of her crew and officers. When you see a girl bleeding on the deck because of a bomb that struck the ship that you seemingly failed to stop, it is going to be seared into your mind regardless of her color.
In fact, I would argue that the service of these ship girls would have an impact on the average American perception of racism. It will not be immediate but it will be stronger than in canon.
Examples
The service of African American servicemen played a direct role in Truman's decision to desegregate the armed forces in 1948.
When Truman heard reports that African American servicemen were being lynched while still wearing their uniforms, he was absolutely livid.
Another example is when many US soldiers on the front discovered that German POWS were being served inside restaurants in America while their black guards were forced to eat outside due to jim crow laws. Many soldiers from all over America, including many from the south, were outraged by the treatment of the black soldiers. Many wrote letters expressing this to the newspaper that published this story.
Also, during the war, when workers at a steel factory began a strike over black train conductors, President Roosevelt sent in the US army and forced the workers to give in.
In all, I saying I am fully aware that the actions of non-white girls would likely not cause a change in racist attitudes. But they will cause many people to change their views, which will have an impact.
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Skywalker_T-65
Writer with too many ideas.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- Plural/They/He/Her
I would love to update the page.
But leaving out me not having a TVTropes account, there's an unspoken rule for authors not to mess with their own pages.
But leaving out me not having a TVTropes account, there's an unspoken rule for authors not to mess with their own pages.
Exterminatus
Tsukumogami User
- Location
- Southern California
It's not going to make much of a difference to the laity and low-level clergy.
