That was a smidgen later on but not what they were using at the time though.
Changing Destiny (Kancolle)
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Burning Baron
This position needs more entrenching.
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- In here, not out there.
Not until mid-war.
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- North Carolina
Oh, when was Navajo introduced?
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
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- Ohio
You're so fond of wikipedia, I'm surprised you don't know this.
CompassJimbo
Where’s Your North?
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- The former Rubber Capital of the World
Also, the Code Talkers were Marines. This fic concerns the US Navy. Furthermore, we still have a ways to go before the war starts for America.
10 months or less.
Sakuya's Butler
A refined Butler to a knife wielding Mistress.
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The only thing Montanas would be good for, is getting converted like the Lexingtons.
Period.
HolyDragoon
Call Gespenst!
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- Portugal
Aren't they a bit slow for that?
Dirtnap
Kanmusu Affecionado
Still 30 or so knot designs. Plenty fast enough and they'd carry as much or more as a Midway.
HolyDragoon
Call Gespenst!
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- Portugal
Lexington-class didn't gain that much speed from the conversion.
Granted, the carrying capacity is a good argument, but given that the Iowas were capable of keeping up with carrier forces, then they go back to a slower carrier design? Uh, am I the only one to frown at the thought?
Granted, the carrying capacity is a good argument, but given that the Iowas were capable of keeping up with carrier forces, then they go back to a slower carrier design? Uh, am I the only one to frown at the thought?
CompassJimbo
Where’s Your North?
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- The former Rubber Capital of the World
The Montanas didn't make 30 knots. They were a tad slower than Yamato and therefore were unable to keep up with the Essexes. I also don't think we made purpose-built fleet carriers that did less than 30 knots.
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- In the depts of despair.
Neither the USS Ranger and the USS Wasp managed 30 knots but while they were fleet carriers in theory, in practice they were failed experiments.
HolyDragoon
Call Gespenst!
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- Portugal
That's my point. The removal/remodelling of weapons and ancillary structures vs the whole carrier rig would not make the difference, and it was proven by earlier examples.
Skywalker_T-65
Writer with too many ideas.
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Kaga had issues with larger planes, yes.
Ah yes... I wasn't sure if I had remembered that correctly. Several of IJN carriers couldn't launch those same planes period.
They never made anything as they were never built,but designed top speed was to be equivalent to the Iowa Class at full speed 32 Knots Flank on an Iowa is 35.
Project30bis
Sells Farms to Loaders
- Location
- N. America
Yes, according to RADM Ofstie's November 14, 1944 Comments and Conclusions report:
CV12Hornet
Riter.
- Location
- Tacoma, Washington
Where in the world did you get those figures? Every source I've found agrees on 32-33 knots for the Iowa class, and that the Montanas were designed for 28 like the older fast battleships.
He might be talking about Iowas under light load. Good luck taking any ship under light load into combat.
Skywalker_T-65
Writer with too many ideas.
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You see, this discussion is on topic. No issues with it, because people aren't making silly suggestions. This is good for the thread.
Also, Midway was already based on the Montana hull form, IIRC. So a conversion would be redundant.
Also, Midway was already based on the Montana hull form, IIRC. So a conversion would be redundant.
The Montana's were about the Yamato's displacement with slightly more horsepower. That means they are a little bit faster, no way are they going to break 30 knots let alone 32.
Also, best speed a WW2 combat-loaded Iowa ever made was 32.5 knots as far as I can tell. Maybe a bit faster if she recently had her bottom cleaned.
Also, best speed a WW2 combat-loaded Iowa ever made was 32.5 knots as far as I can tell. Maybe a bit faster if she recently had her bottom cleaned.
How about Bismarck versus a British convoy with battleship escort?
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- North Carolina
The battleship in question would be a Revenge class, a ship that Bismarck can literally sail circles around.
Fallenblades643
Seeker of the Divine Taste
The Montana's where a full 10,000 tons lighter then the estimated weight of a Yamato, and where slated for the same level of engines as those installed on Iowa. Which you might recall as having a full 80K Horsepower more then the Yamato's. Montana's would Flank out at ~31-32 in combat load, 2 knots below where an Iowa could hold at flank.
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- In the depts of despair.
But did the hull allowed that much speed? Horsepower isn't everything in ship designs, the hydrodynamics are important as well.