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Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

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Just a thought from the new guy, but will we get to see McVay and Indianapolis? I'm interested in how Thompspon will treat the situation, considering what happened to the two and how he remembers Indianapolis from his time.
 
KusoTTK231 said:
Just a thought from the new guy, but will we get to see McVay and Indianapolis? I'm interested in how Thompspon will treat the situation, considering what happened to the two and how he remembers Indianapolis from his time.
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That would be an interesting to see, still you have to admit that McVay shouldn't have been Court Martialed, hell considering that the CO of the Japanese Submarine that sank Indy actually testified and said that with the conditions that were present, he could have sank the Heavy Cruiser even if she was zigzagging because the range was so short. However, that is quite a way's down the road.
 
Thorthemighty said:
That would be an interesting to see, still you have to admit that McVay shouldn't have been Court Martialed, hell considering that the CO of the Japanese Submarine that sank Indy actually testified and said that with the conditions that were present, he could have sank the Heavy Cruiser even if she was zigzagging because the range was so short. However, that is quite a way's down the road.
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Let's not forget that Admiral Nimitz was opposed to the court martial and settled for a letter of reprimand until King overturned and court martialed McVay. Then there's the fact that they brought an enemy commander to testify against one of their own, then there was the hate mail.

Which reminds me. We should probably tell Juneau about what happens to the Sullivans.
 
KusoTTK231 said:
Which reminds me. We should probably tell Juneau about what happens to the Sullivans
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CompassJimbo said:
Is there any need? We've already butterflied a massive amount of things. The Sullivan Brothers are probably among them.
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The Sullivan Brothers haven't even JOINED yet, and probably wouldn't until after Pearl like they did in real life.

The only reason why they were all on the same ship is because that was their stipulation for join, if they join they all must be on the the same boat. Juneau had no say in it.

Even without hindsight that was an UTTERLY DUMBASS idea and should have been kick back hard at the recruiting station. The Navy was basically asking for something like it to happen.

The Admiral might be able to put in that rule that we got cause of the Sullivan brothers mistake where no siblings are allowed in the same Unit/ship/what have you but that's iffy.

Edit: Or he could go the direct ADMIRAL way. Pull rank and split them up himself saying that you do not put all you eggs in one basket.
 
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Easy solution would be to send them through training together, but split them up between ships when they're actually given their assignments.

It's not like it would be all that difficult to justify either, the British used the Pals Battalions which composed entirely of men recruited from a single location (town/city/profession) and sent into training and combat together. They subsequently suffered horrific losses and all the sudden that town lost like 60% of its male population between 17-30.

Just point out that the Brits had tried that idea and it turned out to be a monumentally stupid concept.

-SK
 
Honestly, you don't even need to explain it at all. One of the things about enlistment contracts--particularly WARTIME enlistment contracts--is that there's usually a clause buried in them somewhere (and generally buried so deep that you'll miss it when reading it over unless you're a lawyer--and that's on purpose) stating that any terms and conditions on them can waived by the military "according to the needs of the service." Normally, they don't do it unless there's good reason to do so--for example, someone who joins the Army to become an electronics tech and turns out to be completely unable to grasp basic electronics concepts is likely to be reassigned to the infantry or some other place where they need warm bodies for "failure to train"--because it's good for morale, but in wartime, it'd be very easy to state that "the needs of the service" split the Sullivan brothers up amongst different ships, particularly if you were willing to allow, say, two of them on the same ship.

Make that claim, and even if the Sullivans are able to prove that they were split up deliberately, rather than because of the needs of the service, the best thing they could hope for is to try and get their enlistment contracts nullified (by a judge, for breach of contract) and be released from the service--but in wartime, you KNOW there would be a stop-loss order, and if that happened, they'd be stuck in the Navy "for the duration," though likely in a shore billet instead of a sea billet.
 
rdfox said:
Honestly, you don't even need to explain it at all. One of the things about enlistment contracts--particularly WARTIME enlistment contracts--is that there's usually a clause buried in them somewhere (and generally buried so deep that you'll miss it when reading it over unless you're a lawyer--and that's on purpose) stating that any terms and conditions on them can waived by the military "according to the needs of the service." Normally, they don't do it unless there's good reason to do so--for example, someone who joins the Army to become an electronics tech and turns out to be completely unable to grasp basic electronics concepts is likely to be reassigned to the infantry or some other place where they need warm bodies for "failure to train"--because it's good for morale, but in wartime, it'd be very easy to state that "the needs of the service" split the Sullivan brothers up amongst different ships, particularly if you were willing to allow, say, two of them on the same ship.

Make that claim, and even if the Sullivans are able to prove that they were split up deliberately, rather than because of the needs of the service, the best thing they could hope for is to try and get their enlistment contracts nullified (by a judge, for breach of contract) and be released from the service--but in wartime, you KNOW there would be a stop-loss order, and if that happened, they'd be stuck in the Navy "for the duration," though likely in a shore billet instead of a sea billet.
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They were going to do so, but an officer decided to honor the spirit of the agreement with the recruiter, and by the time someone with a brain discovered that they were serving in the same boat and was going to disperse them the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal happened.
 
Vianca said:
Or put them on the supply line towards Pearl & Midway.
Basically, keep them away from the front.
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Oh, after them all services did that. Which is ironic since a similar thing happened during the Civil War and Lincon himself had to deal with the aftermath so the armed forces should have known better.
 
Actually, as much as I'd bash Hollywood, they actually got one thing right, in Saving Private Ryan. Marshall (and others, but he was the big drive behind it, partly because of the Sullvans), was the one who put in the sole suriving, and he even commented on _why_ (and in the movie he directly referenced Abe on that.)

And yes, you could argue the Military should have known better... but WW2 was not in the same era as WW1, nor the Civil war. Different mindsets, and a lot of the officers came up pre WW1, where.. yes.
 
Oh! What is gonna happen with the battle of samar? Wait. Could the Japanese NOT attack the U.S. if they have there own time travelling admiral?
 
Probably not as they needed to attack the landing force. Though Thompson could probably have Halsey not fall for the carrier decoy.
 
Maybe, maybe not. The only thing that will matter for Thompson is Taffy 3 not being all alone and under attack by powerful surface ships.
 
I'm fairly certain I've commented on this before...somewhere. Same situation as Midway. The line of events leading up to Samar is so very specific that it couldn't possibly happen as per OTL. You would need to see the Japanese lose a ton of ships and aircrew, while having enough carriers remaining for a diversion. You need to have the Americans choose to invade Leyte first. Halsey needs to be in charge of Third Fleet, not Spruance in charge of Fifth Fleet. The Japanese need to make the exact same plan, and they need to have the exact same ships survive, more or less. At the least, Center Force.

As for the war, it's well too late to stop that. Japan is on a collision course with the West, and that isn't going to change. Anyone who tried would find themselves in a bad spot, since even Yamamoto is pushing for the war. The man threatened to resign if Pearl Harbor hadn't happened. Because if Japan was going to strike at the Dutch East Indies, then they damn well were going to hit America too and in the way he planned.

So...yeah.

 
And by how fast this story is going we may not reach leyte gulf for a while.
Hell, I estimate 20 chapters until we reach Guadalcanal.
 
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Hell, all you would have to do to prevent all of those battles is convince some of the admirals that Radar isn't just a pointless toy. Every single one of those fights would have been different of the US Navy has simply paid attention to their radars.
 
But first we need a piece of technology from the Germans to get accurate and powerful radar sets.
 
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Breakaway25 said:
Hell, all you would have to do to prevent all of those battles is convince some of the admirals that Radar isn't just a pointless toy. Every single one of those fights would have been different of the US Navy has simply paid attention to their radars.
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Not so simple.

Savo Island was partly due to overconfidence in the technology, using destroyers with radars unable to give full coverage as pickets. During the Second Naval Battle of Guadacanal Admiral Lee, hands down the best radar operator in the Navy, made some serious misidentification errors both of friendly fire over a destroyer and being unable to recognize a fellow battleship over the enemy's.

The fact is that the technology itself was very new and very gamechanging, and adapting such a groundbreaking tech during a war got a steep learning curve which cost is measured in lives and ships.
 
and we have the fact that if Thompson pulls off his original mission (saving battleship row) the cruisers in those fights might have more and bigger backup with them.
 
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