Changing Destiny (Kancolle)
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HarakoniWarhawk
Striking from the Skies
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- Holy Terra
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A Drunken naval history lesson.
Mega1987
A TTK somewhere at Kancolle's Iwagawa Airfield
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- somewhere at Kancolle's Iwagawa Airfield
Okay....
anyways....
I wonder what more have changed in this AU world history....
we have seen the US, Germany, British and Italy.... But no signs of Japan....
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- North Carolina
Yes, we have with the US, Germany, the Brits, and the Italians. Sadly no joy on Japan. But, will we see the Soviet Union?
Mega1987
A TTK somewhere at Kancolle's Iwagawa Airfield
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- somewhere at Kancolle's Iwagawa Airfield
Kirov!!!
*cue insert that oversized air blimp.*
not that Kirov!
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- North Carolina
Yep, this Kirov:
and not this Kirov:
and most certainly not this Kirov:
Yes we are talking about the Kirov class Cruiser that is armed with 7in guns that have a rate of fire of two rounds per minute.
You ruined the joke again Thor.
HolyDragoon
Call Gespenst!
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- Portugal
Well, he did salvage the situation, as I was wondering if the Missile Battlecruiser wasn't built later.
Mega1987
A TTK somewhere at Kancolle's Iwagawa Airfield
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- somewhere at Kancolle's Iwagawa Airfield
guided missile tech will not be around till the middle of cold war.
sure the radio guided Fritz-X bombs will be available, but those things are still plane bombs dropped not a true guided missile tech, yet.
HolyDragoon
Call Gespenst!
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I wasn't talking about the missiles, but the hull itself. Recycling class names isn't unusual, but given the amount of coverage WWII Soviet Navy usually has, I wasn't sure if the later Kirov used a repurposed hull.
MaHaL
Conductor of the Choir of Death
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- Canada
The Soviet Navy could be interesting. I mostly imagine them as being stuck in the Baltic or running supplies from Georgia to Sevastapol.
That could be an interesting thing, if the soviets somehow manage to hold parts of the Crimea for the entire war. I mean, near fucking impossible but could be interesting.
That could be an interesting thing, if the soviets somehow manage to hold parts of the Crimea for the entire war. I mean, near fucking impossible but could be interesting.
Mega1987
A TTK somewhere at Kancolle's Iwagawa Airfield
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- somewhere at Kancolle's Iwagawa Airfield
considering due to Stalin's purge really mess up the modernization of the Red Navy to the point they're got outdated surface fleet, no carriers, mostly Subs, destroyers, and Cruisers.
they got some battleships but not up to the level of everyone else.
they got some battleships but not up to the level of everyone else.
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- State of Denial
The Red Navy also got screwed out of their own CC-turned-CV (Izmail) due to the Red Army getting control of the naval board and not wanting to fund the Navy.
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- Russia
With clear and present threat right across the land border, can you blame them?
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- State of Denial
Keep in mind this was in '31, before Germany's remilitarization.
The ASM-N-2 Bat glide bomb plus the Hs 293 and LBD Gargoyle aircraft launched guided missiles come very close, though. The latter two are plane dropped, but also rocket propelled and all three are guided, the Bat even being fire and forget.
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- Russia
Oh, so it was all the other nations in Europe. The biggest threat for USSR (or Russian Empire) was land invasion, because honestly - who in their right mind would try attack nation by sea when you can assault them from land?
As for coverage Soviet Navy has - it shows what use a fleet can be in fending off massive attack by land. Ferring supplies, evaquating wounded and civilians, shore bombardment, covering cities with AA fire, hunting enemy shipping. But that's it.
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- People's Republik of Kalifornia
Anybody whose studied history?
General Mud is a very sure defense for Russia in winter.
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- North Carolina
Yep, I think he stonewalled like five seperate invasions, allowing the Russians to get their shit in a sock and counter-attack.
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- Russia
Didn't seem to take though, if plan Barbarossa is any indication.
That's why army comes first. To take care of the next illitirate after general Winter and Colonel Mud is done with him.
Coming full circle, there were some really interisting Soviet ships in WWII. Mostly subs and destroyers, but you don't have to be battleship or carrier to be useful.
Still, I can't imagine Russian that, when asked about WWII, would think of fleet actions first. This can actually be a good sourse of feels - an admiral with very limited ability to help army, and fully understanding that.
P.S. Interstingly enough, according to some Russian sourses, Nuclear battlecruiser was named after WWII-era cruiser, not after the person.
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- State of Denial
TBF, Barbarossa almost work.
obssesednuker
Commander of 10 Million Men
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- In the Kremlin, activating Perimtr.
No it didn't. It failed comprehensively to destroy the Red Army, which was the whole point. Once the Red Army collapsed, the Germans could just route march everywhere else as there would be no enemy to stop them. But it never came close because the Germans grossly misread the size of the Red Army, it's deployments, it's force generation capabilities, and it's potential for reform.
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HolyDragoon
Call Gespenst!
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Uh, no, the name was actually about the first Holy Roman Empire ruler (or at least, the first described as such) from the 12th Century.
Of course, that particular piece of trivia might show how someone Did Not Do The Research.
Shaithan
Re-class is happiest class
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- The worst part of Germany
Emperor Fredrick I Barbarossa is generally considered the best Emperor the HRE had in the middle ages. This guy was dreaded even beyond Europe. I've read historians that claimed that Saladin was ready to abandon the Holy Land rather than face Barbarossa because he really wasn't too sure about his odds. This wasn't some nobody from a far-off island or some gaulish king. This was an Emperor who had spent a lot of his time in office at war with several different factions. And he knew the land, as he had been on a crusade before.
And yes, the Emperor drowned. Why he drowned is pretty much completely unknown, there are several legends there. Did he fall into the river? Did he take a bath? Was he alone? All most likely never getting an answer as even sources from that time do contradict themselves.
And yes, the Emperor drowned. Why he drowned is pretty much completely unknown, there are several legends there. Did he fall into the river? Did he take a bath? Was he alone? All most likely never getting an answer as even sources from that time do contradict themselves.
Burning Baron
This position needs more entrenching.
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- In here, not out there.
I remember discussing it with a world history professor at my local college, and we came to the conclusion he may have been attacked while bathing and forcefully drowned.