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Battle Action Harem Highschool Side Character Quest (No SV, you are the Waifu)

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Alphaleph said:
Yeah, the only descriptor we got for current Durga's impeller was "measureably weaker, but more flexible."
While it was comparing Durga to a 300 frames, I'd say it apply with pre-Sekhmet Durga because Avalanche used the same descriptor in the same post, which suggest similar scale.
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Yes. That quote was one I found. It does not, notably, say that her Impeller is more flexible because her reactors recharge it faster. "measurably weaker, if more flexible" could be taken that way at a stretch, but that requires a significant leap of logic, and is undermined by other points in the quest. Specifically, during the tournament it is mentioned that attempting to attrit down Impeller with only VMLs is something that only really works for cadets, as noted in quote below. Do note how, at no point is it suggested that a cadet could simply integrate more fusion reactors to increase Impeller recovery rate. The only difference is experience of the participants, specifically the hours synced to a Core.

Avalanche said:
"No kidding Anna. Even with all the barrel extenders possible, VML cannons just don't have the punch of energy weapons. Once Valkyries reach the upper Elite ratings, a Valkyrie can stand under continuous standard VML fire and regenerate Impeller nearly as fast as these railguns shave it off. Now sure, these are cadets, and they're carrying four barrels each, not one, but even so, we're going to be seeing a long back and forth here."

The standard Variable Munition Launcher railguns were capable of firing a variety of different munitions, from simple kinetic tungsten carbide slugs to a variety of warheads and even smaller drones. Like standard missiles, Variable Munition Launchers were installed on Valkyrie frames for use against standard Antagonist combat forms, and not designed against hard targets such as fortresses, space battleships, Types and Valkyries. Unlike standard missiles however, VMLs rounds could not be synchronised to the extent where they would become useful against hard targets in the way a mass missile launch was, but in the current environment, they were the only weapon with enough finesse to safely fire.

Airburst rounds flashed around the two cadets as they traded shots, the distance fused proximity rounds shattering the air as both cadets fired at half a dozen rounds per second per barrel. Neither bothered with burst fire, VML ammunition, fed directly into the expressed rails from storage, was practically unlimited and relatively trivial mechanical issues such as heat and gradual rail erosion were easily within the abilities of cadets to compensate for. With the power provided by their fusion reactors, the two could potentially fire at each other for hours before retiring to resupply ammunition.

However, even VMLs firing low impact fragmentation rounds would wear down cadet tier Impeller given enough hits over a short enough period of time.
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Also of note is that Impeller fields exist even when no power generator or power storage is integrated, which fairly directly implies that power generation and Impeller operation are distinctly separate effects.

Avalanche said:
Pretty useless really, if apparently completely harmless so lab conditions got relaxed and then one researcher wore a digital wristwatch whilst handling those 'weird snowglobes' and then suddenly realised that she knew the exact geographical time of wherever she was standing through a heads up display. Her wrist watch was also missing and when she wanted it back it appeared in her hand and she no longer knew the time. Wow, you get a forcefield? Awesome how come we never noticed this before?
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@Avalanche
Thinking on how big Anna ommi are in other descriptions of Valkyrie gear, it strikes me one could put giant mechs on Valkyrie and have them turn into power armor, maybe even battle ships, why is the base power armor, is it because scrub Valkyrie can only handle compression of power armor or because Valkyrie is a size matter not situation where it scales up the small stuff with the scaling saved from not scaling it down, does it enhance small stuff better,

Also if one plugs a Valkyrie core into a tank or battleship, how much better does it become.

Alphaleph said:
It's uncertain how much of Valkyrie absurdity depends on their power supply. Certainly some of it does, but Impeller might not because of how it depends on complexity of components more than on anything else.
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Well it kind of depends on there power supply a more powerful reactor would would increase volume complexity.

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Similarly with Saskatoon, if the Hive still stands after the first shot, Anna will drown under AGs as they focus their attention to her while she has no impeller. and as you said, most of her arsenal is wrecked and at that point in time she's not exactly build for prolonged direct combat.
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She got dark matter armor, and here energy absorbing dynamos plus her insane dodging skills, I suspect without impeller she is still way harder to kill than the standard Valkyrie, it kind of like doing a dark soul no damage run, impossible for mere mortals but peerless people can pull off, heck one part was several Valkyrie including few ace failing to do noticeable damage in a spar where she was holding back.

it ate part of my post so I copy and pasted???
 
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Said dynamo was broken during the fight with Sekhmet. It was not repaired until the middle of the quest so far.

Tallamee said:
It does not, notably, say that her Impeller is more flexible because her reactors recharge it faster.
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It's more flexible compared to the 300 frames. No clue why, though probably related to why the 300 frames are called Cold.

Pre-Sekhmet Durga got stronger impeller compared to current Durga.

It's part why we said pre-Sekhmet Durga was basically a 300 Frame. and Anna basically a T0
Tallamee said:
Specifically, during the tournament it is mentioned that attempting to attrit down Impeller with only VMLs is something that only really works for cadets, as noted in quote below.
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Specifically VMLs using regular rounds, Yes.
 
Alphaleph said:
If it's already damaged to the point that it can't disengage and Anna can fight it off in equal standing without any of her impeller techs until she regenerate enough of her impeller to do another one, she wouldn't need a second shot.

Similarly with Saskatoon, if the Hive still stands after the first shot, Anna will drown under AGs as they focus their attention to her while she has no impeller. and as you said, most of her arsenal is wrecked and at that point in time she's not exactly build for prolonged direct combat.

Her impeller needed time to recharge and I find it unlikely that she'll need less than an hour to go from empty to full. Especially mid-combat.
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Avalanche said:
"The Wave Force technique, as it is, is certainly limited," you confirm, "The toll of its use on the user is destructive and the minimum baseline requirements for Impeller power is prohibitive, but… I have not nearly reached the limits of the technique. I am sure there will be ways to improve it further."

As you say this, you review the files that Vivas sent you. Most of it is already familiar to you, the various proofs and equations that you and the Instructors worked together on describing the Zeroth, First and Second stages of accessing the Wave Force. theory work that you were collectively building for the Third stage had been patchwork and incomplete the last you reviewed, but now it is completed. It simply feels right.

You must test this. You have to know it works. All of a sudden, you understand the urge that Vivas and Washington must have felt upon completing the proofs behind the Third Stage.
"One moment," you excuse yourself from Instructor Washington and teleport towards the devastated ordinance testing ground.

It is easy to see where the Instructor activated the Static Wave, a depression a kilometer wide sits in the land. The sides are shallow, dipping down gradually towards the hypocentre, where a much more defined crater around seventy meters in radius is carved into the ground from the detonation of the bore. Within that crater, you catch the glitter of degrading exotic elements.

Clearing your mind, rather than the smooth and continuous remembered motions, you move your Impeller as dictated by theorems in the paper.
Zeroth, First and Second stages clear without issue. Third Stage… you note a sharp and alarming drain on your Impeller and expand your awareness back out. The Wave Force ripples in front of you.

A… success. It worked!

You continue, Fourth and then Final Stage-

The Wave Force twists and snarls outwards, consuming space, the stacked and synchronised undulations erupting into the base reality-

It is identical to your Static Wave attack.

You laugh as you ascend away from the Wave, your Impeller regenerating. Joy, exuberance, happiness, glee and every similar positive emotion runs wild through you, you feel giddy.

It worked…
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I can't speak for other Valkyries who are just learning the technique, but after mastering Static Wave Level One, Anna apparently retains sufficient impeller to outright fly and do other things in the immediate aftermath of using Wave Force.
I suspect you are overestimating Anna's vulnerability in the immediate aftermath of a Wave Force strike.

Especially after you factor in the influence of things like her Dynamos and Target Rich Environment.
 
uju32 said:
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I can't speak for other Valkyries who are just learning the technique, but after mastering Static Wave Level One, Anna apparently retains sufficient impeller to outright fly and do other things in the immediate aftermath of using Wave Force.
I suspect you are overestimating Anna's vulnerability in the immediate aftermath of a Wave Force strike.

Especially after you factor in the influence of things like her Dynamos and Target Rich Environment.
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Anna flies using jets, not just impeller. The impeller let her do ridiculous things while flying.
The impeller is regenerating, not full.
The dynamos were fucking broken and only got repaired recently.
 
Hmmmm....Somewhere out there was a human who ate a Valkyrie core, on a dare/as an experiment/because im rich.

Might be why the Antags happened.
 
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BrendenHawley said:
Well it kind of depends on there power supply a more powerful reactor would would increase volume complexity.
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If a reactor, a manufacturing system and a weapon of the same complexity all have the same impact on Impeller strength the energy rating of the reactor is irrelevant. All information we've got point towards complexity being the deciding and likely only factor in Impeller ratings. This is part of why young Valkyries are more squishy; there are limits to how much complexity a Valkyrie can carry and that limit grows with experience.

BrendenHawley said:
Thinking on how big Anna ommi are in other descriptions of Valkyrie gear, it strikes me one could put giant mechs on Valkyrie and have them turn into power armor, maybe even battle ships, why is the base power armor, is it because scrub Valkyrie can only handle compression of power armor or because Valkyrie is a size matter not situation where it scales up the small stuff with the scaling saved from not scaling it down, does it enhance small stuff better,
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Because anime girls in power armour are sexy.

Forget the notion that other Valkyries, especially older Valkyries, aren't hauling around kilotons of material in their storage space. We know that Anna, right now, has at least six million tons of materials stuffed in her storage space; it's the combined weight of Anna's HPPGs. We've as yet no data on the weight of her reactors (but the one we were shown for Sydney was rather big and has to be fairly heavy), or her omnisensor system, or her other weapons, or her first aid system, or her manufacturing systems or her omnium batteries, or basically everything else. We don't even know how heavy Durga is when expressed as a suit of armour.

BrendenHawley said:
Also if one plugs a Valkyrie core into a tank or battleship, how much better does it become.
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It doesn't. Valkyrie cores respond to people, not items. We know Valkyries have integrated massive orbital combat vessels though; those are the Valkyrie batteleships.

BrendenHawley said:
She got dark matter armor,
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Exotic matter armour, actually.
 
Hazard said:
Forget the notion that other Valkyries, especially older Valkyries, aren't hauling around kilotons of material in their storage space. We know that Anna, right now, has at least six million tons of materials stuffed in her storage space; it's the combined weight of Anna's HPPGs. We've as yet no data on the weight of her reactors (but the one we were shown for Sydney was rather big and has to be fairly heavy), or her omnisensor system, or her other weapons, or her first aid system, or her manufacturing systems or her omnium batteries, or basically everything else. We don't even know how heavy Durga is when expressed as a suit of armour.
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Adding to this: even standard particle projectors are the size of high rise buildings, but with a small, photogenic gun sized muzzle to stick out of storage space.
 
al103 said:
PPPS. India is one of Big Five, isn't it? Oh. Heh. It's just a matter of time before somebody would make a comparison. Heh. Avatars are explicitely a thing. Cult incoming.
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Fuck.

And it gets worse. There is no way that Anna's presence in South Korea and Russia during the rebuilding efforts was kept secret, nor the fact that she's absurdly effective.
 
Considering that all Valk names have a mythological basis, I suspect that any such cults already exist on some level, should they exist at all. It's an amusing thought, but I don't see it going anywhere. Based off of what we've seen in quest any such organization is likely small at most.

I mean, Sandra being someone of a high level political position and having her frame named Albion would be of bigger note I think. That she seems to have named Shuri's combo weapon Excalibur is even more interesting for anyone who has even a remote understanding of their relationship.
 
To an extent true, but the thing with Anna?

She came out of nowhere.

The prophet is respected everywhere but his hometown, where they remember his youth. Mystery can impact that sort of reverence quite massively.


That said, yeah, the start of those cults will basically be fan clubs. Actual religions probably won't be founded (unless deliberately done) for a century or more.
 
Realistically speaking, Valk cults should exist from before the antagonists showed up. Ageless rulers of near utopia cities with incredible powers well beyond the understanding of the vast majority of its residents? That's a step away from them being god queens. It likely got worse when they became one of the major reasons the world could hold off antagonists, especially with the U.N.'s PR machine making valks look super good.

My reasoning for why such a cult does not exist would be-
  • Watsonnian: The U.N.'s PR machine is highly focused on not deifying valks, focusing on making them relatable.
  • Doylist: Avalanche doesn't want to touch the subject with a ten foot poll.
  • C: It does exist, but Anna has been isolated from it by either luck or design and they will play an important role in future arcs.
 
I will remind you that the Crafting Cult is for tax reasons.

Mostly for tax reasons.

On a more serious note, while Valk cults are probably a thing, people can get accustomed to stuff fairly rapidly. What's more likely is ordinary celebrity. Fortunately, likely with less paparazzi. The UN has a defense related excuse, plus a bit of "many Valks are not trying for celebrity".
 
Also, not all religions do the whole 'the gods are inscrutable, their reasoning unknowable and their actions unstoppable' thing. Being able to literally (if only theoretically) walk up to your god and complain or make requests greatly changes the dynamics of most religious structures.

And Valkyries can cheat with modern day information handling technologies they can access through a mind-machine interface. They don't need bureaucrats/priests to act as a filter system, they can review every letter personally if they so desire.
 
BrendenHawley said:
@Avalanche
Thinking on how big Anna ommi are in other descriptions of Valkyrie gear, it strikes me one could put giant mechs on Valkyrie and have them turn into power armor, maybe even battle ships, why is the base power armor, is it because scrub Valkyrie can only handle compression of power armor or because Valkyrie is a size matter not situation where it scales up the small stuff with the scaling saved from not scaling it down, does it enhance small stuff better,

Also if one plugs a Valkyrie core into a tank or battleship, how much better does it become.
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I'm not entirely clear what you're trying to ask here, can you reword this?
 
@Avalanche - While you are here two questions:

1) Does Impeller (and by extension Impeller regeneration) drain power or is it separate? I thought it did but Tallamee made some excellent arguments for it being independent of electrical power systems.

2) Why does Shuri's UN record list her as having only 5,000+ hours of synch time? I could see her having only 5k hours of flight time since she only spent 2 years in the PAF before it was shut down but 5k synch hours seems really low for someone who has had a Valkyrie Core for 4 years. That is only 208 days of synch time; even if you assume she desynched while asleep that only increases it out to 312.5 days. Considering how skill Shuri is and how long she has been an Ace it strikes me as rather odd. At the very least I'd have expected her to keep Konark synched for the full two years of her retirement seeing as she wasn't in combat so the strain would have been far less.
 
UberJJK said:
@Avalanche - While you are here two questions:

1) Does Impeller (and by extension Impeller regeneration) drain power or is it separate? I thought it did but Tallamee made some excellent arguments for it being independent of electrical power systems.
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Impeller is independent of power generation. Impeller is dictated by a combination of Core compatibility, volume of component extended, and component complexity.
2) Why does Shuri's UN record list her as having only 5,000+ hours of synch time? I could see her having only 5k hours of flight time since she only spent 2 years in the PAF before it was shut down but 5k synch hours seems really low for someone who has had a Valkyrie Core for 4 years. That is only 208 days of synch time; even if you assume she desynched while asleep that only increases it out to 312.5 days. Considering how skill Shuri is and how long she has been an Ace it strikes me as rather odd. At the very least I'd have expected her to keep Konark synched for the full two years of her retirement seeing as she wasn't in combat so the strain would have been far less.
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This is the UN being very pointedly rude and following a certain agreement to the letter and not an inch further, specifically regarding something about the Broken Ace character backstory. Can't elaborate further at this point.
 
Darker said:
You might want to go through this list: Battle Action Harem Highschool Side Character Quest (No SV, you are the Waifu) Original because a lot of your questions were already answered before :Ü™
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I did, I did not find answers quite what I was looking for But informative
plotvitalnpc said:
I believe they're asking why the UN gives new valks human sized power armor as the core of their frames rather than defaulting to big mechs or even larger, more ridiculous combat platforms - up to the battleship scale.
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Your right, after all if the mech going to be the size of power armor anyway, why would bigger not be better if it not actually bigger.
Alphaleph said:
Anna flies using jets, not just impeller. The impeller let her do ridiculous things while flying.
The impeller is regenerating, not full.
The dynamos were fucking broken and only got repaired recently.
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Did not notice that, though I may note with how awesome Anna is here engines and ability to take g force Are probably much better than normal valkyries which again may let here keep up with normal Valkyrie and Prehaps outmaneuver them with no impeller, though Shuri shows hype aside Anna not greatest at speed,
Hazard said:
If a reactor, a manufacturing system and a weapon of the same complexity all have the same impact on Impeller strength the energy rating of the reactor is irrelevant. All information we've got point towards complexity being the deciding and likely only factor in Impeller ratings. This is part of why young Valkyries are more squishy; there are limits to how much complexity a Valkyrie can carry and that limit grows with experience.



Because anime girls in power armour are sexy.

Forget the notion that other Valkyries, especially older Valkyries, aren't hauling around kilotons of material in their storage space. We know that Anna, right now, has at least six million tons of materials stuffed in her storage space; it's the combined weight of Anna's HPPGs. We've as yet no data on the weight of her reactors (but the one we were shown for Sydney was rather big and has to be fairly heavy), or her omnisensor system, or her other weapons, or her first aid system, or her manufacturing systems or her omnium batteries, or basically everything else. We don't even know how heavy Durga is when expressed as a suit of armour.



It doesn't. Valkyrie cores respond to people, not items. We know Valkyries have integrated massive orbital combat vessels though; those are the Valkyrie
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1. Make me wonder how Valkyrie react to a suit of mjolnir armor, they might not care about everything else but they would love the energy shield as a sink for the excess energy that also protects there impeller from having to do so much ore.

2. I know that Valkyrie gear can be massive and clearly exploiting it hammer space power to compress it (I think space time mass shengans are how Valkyrie is so good at shrinking things) I wonder why they do not exploit this by starting massive, why start with power armor where one can turn a giant robot into power armor, same end result of girls in power armor but one using a hand held tank gun shrunken by space magic instead of assault rifle. I suspect the answer is Valkyrie scales up the infantry armor, to the point if you take it out it looks like a giant mech if it not a only on Valkyrie deal where it Simultaneously simultaneously scaling up and down the power armor with what ever size bs it dealing with. Makes me wonder just how op Valkyrie are, conventional forces seem meaningless even with number in face of such bs.

3. Kind of curious of how Valkyrie intergrating space ships work


Avalanche said:
Impeller is independent of power generation. Impeller is dictated by a combination of Core compatibility, volume of component extended, and component complexity.

This is the UN being very pointedly rude and following a certain agreement to the letter and not an inch further, specifically regarding something about the Broken Ace character backstory. Can't elaborate further at this point.
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I was thinking maybe they do not want to credit Pakistan with there child solders achievements.
 
Avalanche said:
They're not being redesigned too much, pending possible execution of UN CentGov Contingency Plan Alternative Three; phased evacuation of Earth, in which case all the Major Arcologies will unleash their SYWs in such a way as to blow themselves off the surface of Earth and outwards into space to escape.
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Three? Isn't it supposed to be Five? :V
Well, I suppose espers don't exist in this setting, so that eliminates what would have originally been Three and Four, bumping Five down to Three...
 
BrendenHawley said:
1. Make me wonder how Valkyrie react to a suit of mjolnir armor, they might not care about everything else but they would love the energy shield as a sink for the excess energy that also protects there impeller from having to do so much ore.
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Impellor can spread for kilometers as we see when Anna is using it as a parachute brake. Unless they're specifically setting the properties of the impeller to not absorb hits which requires a high level of skill, the shields probably too late.
Its also probably too weak to absorb a lot of damage on the valk scales and if a Valk had a lot of spare energy budget they'd probably just find something else to use it on.

I'm sure it would be eventually upgraded to the point its useful, but the mjolnir armour itself is pretty unimpressive for a Valk.
 
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