Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition
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DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
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[X] Alexander Fedorovich Kamenev
[X]Alexey Ivanovich Krylov
A vote for Krylov is a vote for actually helping the rural poors instead of giving even more endless subsidies to rural landlords and exploitators as we have been doing so!
[X]Alexey Ivanovich Krylov
A vote for Krylov is a vote for actually helping the rural poors instead of giving even more endless subsidies to rural landlords and exploitators as we have been doing so!
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[X]Nukh Aslancherievich Berzegov
I know more (L)CI dice are good, but I am surprised how many people are voting for Balakirev. We do not need in-universe encouragement to be able to Drill Baby Drill our oil problems away or to build more plastic. Meanwhile the both and Kamenev or Berzegov bring new insights to the ministry that we'd otherwise rarely get opportunities to push for (The former on mechanizing the road building system, the latter all the benefits of having an ethnic minority in the chair).
[]Nikolay Fedorovich Tatarchuk
RE: Gorbachev, I understand people are voting for him (despite the historical incompetence Comrade Future pointed out!) because his legal reform is supposedly desperately needed. We've seen the consequence of neglecting the rurals several times, but unless I missed something our legal system doesn't seem to have a bias problem that needs major maintenance. Aside from his description (which only says Gorby is convinced of its unfairness, not that is surely is unfair), what basis do we have for thinking there is a large problem?
EDIT 2: Having second thoughs. Maybe the memes have overwhelmed me. And I see now I was wrong about the legal system being OK.
[X]Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachev
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[X]Alexander Fedorovich Kamenev
[X]Nukh Aslancherievich Berzegov
I know more (L)CI dice are good, but I am surprised how many people are voting for Balakirev. We do not need in-universe encouragement to be able to Drill Baby Drill our oil problems away or to build more plastic. Meanwhile the both and Kamenev or Berzegov bring new insights to the ministry that we'd otherwise rarely get opportunities to push for (The former on mechanizing the road building system, the latter all the benefits of having an ethnic minority in the chair).
RE: Gorbachev, I understand people are voting for him (despite the historical incompetence Comrade Future pointed out!) because his legal reform is supposedly desperately needed. We've seen the consequence of neglecting the rurals several times, but unless I missed something our legal system doesn't seem to have a bias problem that needs major maintenance. Aside from his description (which only says Gorby is convinced of its unfairness, not that is surely is unfair), what basis do we have for thinking there is a large problem?
EDIT 2: Having second thoughs. Maybe the memes have overwhelmed me. And I see now I was wrong about the legal system being OK.
[X]Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachev
EDIT: Approval vote for
[X]Alexander Fedorovich Kamenev
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We very much do, if not for ourselves, then for the Supreme Soviet. The mini-oilshock we just had spooked a lot of people something fierce, to the point we'll be under a lot of pressure to put a focus on CI next plan just to prevent it from happening again. Since we'd need to avoid it if we want to both build Atommash and to keep up with Infrastructure needs, I'd rather have someone we can point at and say "We're aware of the problem and have top men working on it".
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[X]Vladimir Fedorovich Balakirev
[x]Nikolay Fedorovich Tatarchuk
[X]Vladimir Fedorovich Balakirev
[x]Nikolay Fedorovich Tatarchuk
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Given we have 8 HI dice, with 2 more coming in next turn, do we actually need an HI focus to build atomash? How much dice is that expected to need?
CrabMonarchy
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[X]Staggered Launches
[X]Alexander Fedorovich Kamenev
[X]Vladimir Fedorovich Balakirev
[X]Nikolay Fedorovich Tatarchuk
As for the size of the project, 12 dice gives a 85% chance to complete:
[X]Alexander Fedorovich Kamenev
[X]Vladimir Fedorovich Balakirev
[X]Nikolay Fedorovich Tatarchuk
It's not a matter of dice availability, if we don't pick HI focus we don't get the Atomash option period.
As for the size of the project, 12 dice gives a 85% chance to complete:
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Frickin' Discordburo lore >_>[X]Vladimir Fedorovich Balakirev
[X]Nikolay Fedorovich Tatarchuk
It's not a matter of dice availability, if we don't pick HI focus we don't get the Atomash option period.
As for the size of the project, 12 dice gives a 85% chance to complete:
But thanks. That is quite big insight. Personally I still think we shouldn't panic, and that if we manage to get a bunch of oil rigs built next turn too (showing we can keep a lid on oil prices even when we don't have an LCI focus) that SupSov's panic will subside. But I understand people's fears now. I worry that when Klimenko leaves and Balakirev takes over in the 10th plan this oil man will go "what's all this nuclear boondoggle for, oil and gas is the ultimate fuel!". But perhaps if Atomash is built under Klimenko that will make nuclearization a fait accompli?
Dang, is Atomash really cheaper per dice than the Sevastopol machine tool plant
EDIT: Not that I'm opposed to it, since I know how useful Atomash will be, but at those numbers Atomash is going to eat not even half of the extra 30 HI dice a focus will get us over the course of the plan. What are we even gonna use the rest for, if we can even afford to activate them? Finally finishing Voznesensky's dream of giving every man a horseless carriage?
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Chemical Industry isn't only oil and plastic, it is well... chemicals but ok.
We need a lot of houses, dams, roads?, Water, rail, electricty and airport and 12 dice isn't enough. Housing and Dams alone will use 7 dice ATLEAST.
We've been building experience on PWR reactors and not the chernobyl-like.
It is more like 3 mile island.
I mean, Kamenev by himself brings us 2 dice, and presumably he as the deputy would affect road projects - hopefully to make them need less dice (if more expensive ones).
We axed RBMKs way back. Our nuclear disasters should happen higher, as is proper.
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I don't think we can do double-foci anymore, and what would we even DO with 22 HI dice a turn?
But yeah as UrWishy noted, Infra Hell never ends. If we knew for a fact that not picking the LCI guy will get us railroaded into a Chemical focus than your HI-CI idea would have merit as a desperate measure (if we keep housing autodice slow rolling and cut hydropower with coal taking up the slack), but I think it's just the threadviet getting too worked up.
Beg americans, british and french for loans? Supreme Soviet probably wouldn't loan us enough...
Seeing as we're kinda managing to get out of this crisis, how big a loan could we get for next plan with HI focus, therefore one that would be expensive?
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The thing competing with nuclear is coal, not oil. We don't use the latter as power generation, since its much more valuable as an export, fuel and as an input to the chemical industry.
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There's sure been a lot of chemical industry doomposting after last turn eh? "SupSov will cancel gas power because they want trade money for selling it to CMEA!", "SupSov will force us to pick a chemical focus unless Balakirev talks them out of it!" which are very Big If True in terms of planning implications. How much of this has been seriously stated by Blackstar in the Discord, and how much is just panicked speculation?
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Idk about the gas power, might have missed that. But I do remember her mentioning there will be a very strong push for a CI (remember, LCI is getting split into Light Industries and Chem Industries, likely at a 4/6 split iirc) plan by the Supreme Soviet. Which makes sense, we just faced a big crisis because our production couldn't keep up, creating instability both in the USSR and CMEA. She hasn't said anything about the ideia of putting the CI dude as deputy to try to alleviate some of their concerns in exchange for some flexibility, but it does make some sense.
CrabMonarchy
Allegedly Dutch
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That is very dependent on your definition of a bias problem right now all the major enterprises seems to be hiring all the best lawyers and just are using those to bully everybody because unless you have at least a middle class income you can't get a lawyer and the state won't provide one. This leads to a lot of abuse on the enterprise side as hey you can just abuse all these people from CA and what are they going to do they have no money to hold you responsible.
Furthermore as Notgreat has brought up earlier rural focus is likely to eat more of general labour which is not something we have in abundance unlike Gorbs ideas which hinges on hiring educated workers which we are constantly in the danger zone of going below the bad line of.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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Of course, the fact that we axced RBMK's makes our nuclear reactors considerably more expensive. The RBMK design has problems, but it was cheap.