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- Northish
The amount of qualifiers packed into the description of our tanks are concerning. On the other hand the whole of our European subject states did not burn down so we got a win there.
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition
- Thread starter Blackstar
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- Alt. History Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
He has been in a constant screaming match with someone throughout his entire run so it's not surprising.
In past turns projects marked as having at least High Profitability gave increased Resources, so why not during these results?
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So it's time for more military news.
Of another note is development of what looks like container launchers allowing missile to be stored in it's launch tube to be attached to control system be it vehicle mounted or carried by infantry.
Otherwise better armed BMP-1 continue to be better armed BMP-1 and facing similar problems. It's good, it's useful but it'll need improvements soonish.
Naval version is notable by existing, it was proposed IRL and not made.
Still it seems that we have rolled really bad for IR seekers for both R-40 and R-13 (equivalent to IRL R-40 and R-23s, both are ready early though R-40 by ~2-3 years and R-23 by over 5) but that may just be because both are early or because our radars and radar seekers are much better than IRL. IRL R-40T had good enough IR seeker to be used at long range in front aspect engagement and augment R-40R when launched in pair (T version first to avoid it locking on the R version), similarly IRL R-23T had good enough seeker to be useful in medium range engagement even from frontal hemisphere.
Now if it's already deployed then it's a bit early which is always nice and if it's not it still have chance to arrive on time. There also seem to be no lower tech missile in development to provide low cost alternative.
Work on new rifle continue. Nothing really interesting outside of potentiallly phasing out AKM and not doing development for it.
New uniforms and other items related to carrying stuff. As important as they are unexciting and will make our army better.
Unguided rocket launcher for anti tank duty, as noted wide adoption and deployment will increase unit combat capability and make tank use by our enemies more dangerous for them. Good news but nothing to add.
Spreading man portable anti air missiles is good for us and good for our allies or clients and represent significant increase of capabilities over limited or no supply of such weapons but it seems to have the same problems as first versions of IRL Strela-2, poor seeker with poor range and potentially weak warhead. Still better for it to be there and wait for improved version like IRL than not to have production going.
SACLOS missiles are represent significant improvement in accuracy over their MCLOS predecessors thus offering significant increase in combat power and assuming they are equivalent to IRL missiles they will be very good addition. However 9K111 with 1.5km range is rather shit, this is very bad range for missile in it's weight class offering half the range of IRL 9K14 from early 60s indicating problems with aerodynamics or engine. (I think 2-2,5km range would be more reasonble rising it from bad to okay).
Of another note is development of what looks like container launchers allowing missile to be stored in it's launch tube to be attached to control system be it vehicle mounted or carried by infantry.
Total mechanisation of armed forces is complicated and extremely expensive, even full mechanisation of combat elements is complicated and expensive so issues are expected, especially since our platform is not ideal. MTLB equivalent is required to proceed.
Otherwise better armed BMP-1 continue to be better armed BMP-1 and facing similar problems. It's good, it's useful but it'll need improvements soonish.
Early production problems are being solved on T-64 as is natural part of tanks life cycle.
New SPGs development and gun unification,first is expected and if it follow IRL development will deliver good vehicle capable of doing it's job, second is needed cost cutting measure that is actually going to make army more capable by simplyfing logistics and going for what should be most capable guns.
MiG-23 is finished early but not with all of intended features (radar), otherwise it seem to include all of improvement IRL plane offered, the not really heads up dispaly, IRST system (not present on IRL early production run), integration of IRST with radar and missile systems, and some improvements over IRL version like ability to carry really heavy missiles on inner pylons. Intake issues are likely to be solved soon for new production model of papered over by limiting AoA in normal operations.
Naval version is notable by existing, it was proposed IRL and not made.
To the best of my knowledge that is very good radar, like very good radar especially for something that see service in 1968. PD mode (that alone means our aerial radars are better than what IRL USSR fielded at the time), Track While Scan that can keep information on significant number of targets alone would make it extremely good radar, potentially offering us limited technological advantage over US systems but then it goes above expectation and is able to guide 4 separate Semi Active Radar missile to target, seems to be equivalent (a bit better) to Zaslon radar that USSR developed in late 70s. This should be better than any radar US is fielding on their interceptors and should remain so for few more years until F-14 see deployment around '72.
Low tech plane canceled since high tech project paid off and spread of AShM to bombers. Good thinhs in general.
Su-17 is as it was, swing wing Su-7. Depending on how well modernisation go it may keep going for long time, at the same time assuming our Su-7 is like IRL Su-7, Su-17 may see quite a success in export, there are many people who would be interested in relatively capable and reliable plane with some modernisation potential.
Attempts at cost cutting by modernising older airframe to do the job or attempt to cheaply expand capabilities. It's not bad program.
So no dual seeker for R-40, that was expected.
Still it seems that we have rolled really bad for IR seekers for both R-40 and R-13 (equivalent to IRL R-40 and R-23s, both are ready early though R-40 by ~2-3 years and R-23 by over 5) but that may just be because both are early or because our radars and radar seekers are much better than IRL. IRL R-40T had good enough IR seeker to be used at long range in front aspect engagement and augment R-40R when launched in pair (T version first to avoid it locking on the R version), similarly IRL R-23T had good enough seeker to be useful in medium range engagement even from frontal hemisphere.
New light missile development was expected if not yet, the new missile seem to be going towards being R-60 equivalent, light, highly maneauverable dogfighting missile. The cooled seeker should be better than uncooled one on early R-60.
Now if it's already deployed then it's a bit early which is always nice and if it's not it still have chance to arrive on time. There also seem to be no lower tech missile in development to provide low cost alternative.
Further development of AShM will let us better protect our coasts and put further limitations on US power projection ability, we also see benefits from space program influencing weapon development.
Glad things didn't escalate to complete violence and most protesting was peaceful.
Hadn't realized the train-viet had infected America LOL
I wanna know what it looks like
I wanna see quirky soviet cars and their weirdnesses
Big Fat Mood. Bro got handed a empire that hadn't realized it had died yet. Whether the USSR was truly salvageable by the time he become the head honcho is debatable (a smaller union of mostly central asian and Russia could have continued perhaps), Gorby certainly gave it a good old college try.
The only way we can make up for our sins for promoting Romanov into being head of the conservative faction is by promoting Gorby also
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- UTC+0
- Pronouns
- He/Him/They
Blackstar actually designed it, she posted a picture of it in the discord.I wanna know what it looks like
So it should look roughly like this, if less shiny and a bit more old fashioned looking lol
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Gardener of Human Happiness
- Location
- Behind You
People haven't asked the most important question yet: Which of these guys is Russian and who's not?
I think it's not too important (too soon for national issues yet imo), but Elchenko is Ukrainian, and Berzegov is a Circassian guy. The rest are Russians.
- Location
- The great frozen north
A Circassian? Cool, a good choice if we care about non-Slavic representation in the ministry.
Amyways, just to confirm: Klimenko retires at the end of the next plan (9th plan), not the current one right? If so than I would not be very worried about lack of management experience from our deputy, since they'll have 5 years (assuming we don't blow anything) to learn on the job.
We COULD go Chistoplyasov + Tatarchuk for Max Rural Focus which would be fun, but I'm not sure it's a good idea. The rural situation isn't that pressing, and ultimately we ARE a major urbanized industrialized power that is also carrying most CMEA's conventional and nuclear military forces on it's back. Taking too much attention away from heavy and chemical industries is not good.
Speaking of HI, remember we're already getting two HI dice in 1969 from our hiring drives a few turns back, so two more (for a total of 12 HI dice before focus) is a relatively marginal benefit especially considering how expensive HI dice are to activate.
FAKE EDIT: Perhaps Chisty + Gorby could work though. Gorby would be a good team with Sokhan, while Chistoplyasov can continue our "worker-peasant alliance" instead of going "sector fixed, time to ignore for the next decade" as @Kirai says. Thank you for the point by point summary of our options, BTW. Helps to not have to read through the thick paragraphs.
Well, just about anything COULD work, really. Question is what works best.
Fascinating. Just where does Blackstar go to find all these characters? I wonder how long it can last before she has to make actual OCs.
ZOMG IS THAT A [insert dubious HOI4 mod here] REFERENCE?!?1? But seriously. After Stalin's and Mikonyan's death detailed the history of Soviet politics, and Voznesensky and Malenkov got yeeted, we're increasingly leaving the big names of OTL behind us so it's a weird feeling seeing someone as well-know as him show up.Lol, history buffs swooning over popular canon character in game adaptation.
That would mean he'd be in the chair for 10 years total, which given the term limit is 15 years is a pretty hefty chunk of time. He'll be useful next plan with his malus gone.
Fun fact: Kamenev was briefly appointed deputy Chairman of the RSFSR council of ministers by Yeltsin in 1991
- Location
- The great frozen north
OK, reactions to various actions:
I noticed the Central Asia road project includes Chelyabinsk and Omsk. Interesting. We probably cocked up by starting both high capacity and regional at the same time. We'll need to throw 7 infra dice at regional next turn for a 50:50 completion chance, no way to finish high capacity at the same time.
Bakchar is 116/200 stage 2, good. Solid completion chance with just two dice and boy do we need that! Given how serious AND GROWING our truck shortages are, we also should go for the Novouralsk truck plant next turn.
[]Full Surveys is tempting but seems a little ambitious. If we don't do it now, when is the next decade such close surveys of the gas giants become viable?
Samotor completed stage 2, giving us an extra - 23 electricity, - 6 petroleum, and +1 general labor. That makes new estimates:
General Labor: 39
Electricity: 324
Petroleum Fuels: 31 (That's a good safety margin, but we need to do more right next turn to ensure prices stay low)
Stage 1 gave -7, stage 2 only -6. I hope such declining rates of return won't be persistent issues.
We're done "solving" the garbage problem and already getting told more work will soon be needed. I'm not surprised but I am frustrated. I wonder if we can just lock in a single services die on auto-landfills for the next decade.
I noticed the Central Asia road project includes Chelyabinsk and Omsk. Interesting. We probably cocked up by starting both high capacity and regional at the same time. We'll need to throw 7 infra dice at regional next turn for a 50:50 completion chance, no way to finish high capacity at the same time.
Bakchar is 116/200 stage 2, good. Solid completion chance with just two dice and boy do we need that! Given how serious AND GROWING our truck shortages are, we also should go for the Novouralsk truck plant next turn.
[]Full Surveys is tempting but seems a little ambitious. If we don't do it now, when is the next decade such close surveys of the gas giants become viable?
Samotor completed stage 2, giving us an extra - 23 electricity, - 6 petroleum, and +1 general labor. That makes new estimates:
General Labor: 39
Electricity: 324
Petroleum Fuels: 31 (That's a good safety margin, but we need to do more right next turn to ensure prices stay low)
Stage 1 gave -7, stage 2 only -6. I hope such declining rates of return won't be persistent issues.
We're done "solving" the garbage problem and already getting told more work will soon be needed. I'm not surprised but I am frustrated. I wonder if we can just lock in a single services die on auto-landfills for the next decade.
While relocating manufacturing to low-wage areas is reasonable in theory, when Vozenesensky did that is was a set up for massive exploitation of the workers and I fear the managers will try to do the same thing again here.
This seems like reasonable proposals, I wonder what we're missing out on for the low roll. Just it being rolled out slow with limited enthusiasm? And just how far away is the depletion of the 'western reserves' expected?
I think she uses this database to find out who ran in which circles in given periods
Here is an example the bane of my existence AKA Romanov
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God in heaven, we made the Soviet Cybertruck Zero.
CrabMonarchy
Allegedly Dutch
- Location
- the Netherlands, apparently
MNKh Deputies:
- Alexander Fedorovich Kamenev (infra): https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Каменев,_Александр_Фёдорович
- Stepan Ivanovich Chistoplyasov (agri): https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Чистоплясов,_Степан_Иванович (image included), Perm State Archives
- Yuri Nikiforovich Elchenko (HI): https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ельченко,_Юрий_Никифорович
- Vladimir Fedorovich Balakirev (LCI / CI): https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Балакирев,_Владимир_Фёдорович (image included)(and yeah I also found that sketchy cold fusion website while digging this guy up)
- Nukh Aslancherievich Berzegov (free dice): https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Берзегов,_Нух_Асланчериевич (image included), knowbysight
Services Deputies:
- Alexey Ivanovich Krylov: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Крылов,_Алексей_Иванович (this guy is a goddamn ghost, finding him was a giant pain in the ass)
- Nikolay Fedorovich Tatarchuk: Krasnoyarsk City Portal, http://www.kgau.ru/social/2023/3/content/22.pdf (2nd link is the source for him being a good organizer)
- Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachev: we all know who this is lmao
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I know Gorbachev is famous, obviously, but after sleeping on it I'm not actually sure that legal reform is what the USSR really needs right now. It certainly wouldn't hurt and I'm not like anti-Gorby, maybe if he makes it to full Services secretary he can get us Soviet Pizza Hut, but treating rurals like they're real citizens is probably overall more impactful for more people than legal reform?
Comrade Future
Man from Zeerust
- Location
- USSR
- Pronouns
- He/His/Him
As for Gorbachev, I highly didn't recommend it. The fact is that during the years when he was the party secretary of the Stavropol Territory, he screwed up. In particular, the number of sheep decreased by 2.5 million heads, which undermined local sheep farming (the reason is the expense of constructing complexes unsuitable for keeping livestock). He survived due to notes and bribes. He also opened the Bolshoi Stavropol Canal ahead of schedule, but due to haste, there was an overconsumption of water, which led to increased costs of canal maintenance, rising groundwater, salinization of soils and their removal from land use.
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Personally i am more Gorbachev because his focus on hiring service focused university graduates as that is an area where we really need to step up if we want to continue max funding education expansions next plan as we clearly are already struggling with hiring enough this plan and i only think it is going to get worse next as the education expansion is going to increase the amount of workforce that is educated.
The rural reconciliation project has been going on since the start of the quest, with...mixed results. By comparison, we've had very little opportunity to improve the civil rights situation, though I think it has somewhat improved just due to conditions no longer being apocalyptic.
All three candidates have some merit, but I think Gorbachev provides the rarest benefit, despite his obvious shortcomings. If we do pick him, we need to make sure he never becomes the full head of services.
All three candidates have some merit, but I think Gorbachev provides the rarest benefit, despite his obvious shortcomings. If we do pick him, we need to make sure he never becomes the full head of services.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
If I can't have Soviet moon landing, I'm damn sure going to want heavy Soviet probe program.
Yeah I think we should go for the Full Surveys with the big heavy orbiters, they're a genuinely impressive technical feat that's much better suited to our budget and hardware/recent luck with the Luna and Mars probes. We decided to pivot to an unmanned probe focus when killing the moonshot, might as well actually do that now that it's come up.
It will mean no space station until the later 70s, probably, but that's an acceptable tradeoff to make Voyager look like a digital camera strapped to a car battery IMO. If even half the probes work it would put us decades ahead of the curve. First Jupiter/Saturn/Neptune/Uranus orbiters were 1995/2004/never/never OTL, and we could have all 4 by the 1980s TTL. It probably won't be 100% successful but even partial successes would still be very scientifically and technically impressive, while the difficulty should help push electronics technology.
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I think I'm going to vote for Nikolay Fedorovich Tatarchuk instead of Gorbachev. I think Gorbachev is (unfortunately) still a really good option, but I'm interested in what Tatarchuk brings to the table. What I think is unconventional about him is that he's rising from the food program, and so agricultural department, instead of the services ministry. He's like Krylov in that's attempting to help people underserved by the current ministry, but he focuses primarily on the rural/urban gap with the experience to do it properly.
I think he'd be really good for getting rural populations to be more invested in the current system through providing services to them properly. This rural/urban gap is important to address now that we have the political ability to do so.
Various projects have pointed out the importance of this, but the one that stands out to me is Water and Waste Grants. The fact that this comes out of our agricultural department says a lot. I'm not sure exactly who's pushing for it, whether Klim, Smolin, or Skachkov, but using agricultural money for something infrastructure would normally do says a lot. It says extending proper water and sewage is essential for maintaining useful (i.e. educated) labor in these areas, and politically popular (which has already been stated by some progress on Water Distribution Systems. It's essential enough that we're putting this forward despite that it won't directly impact yields or sector growth.
I think he'd be really good for getting rural populations to be more invested in the current system through providing services to them properly. This rural/urban gap is important to address now that we have the political ability to do so.
Various projects have pointed out the importance of this, but the one that stands out to me is Water and Waste Grants. The fact that this comes out of our agricultural department says a lot. I'm not sure exactly who's pushing for it, whether Klim, Smolin, or Skachkov, but using agricultural money for something infrastructure would normally do says a lot. It says extending proper water and sewage is essential for maintaining useful (i.e. educated) labor in these areas, and politically popular (which has already been stated by some progress on Water Distribution Systems. It's essential enough that we're putting this forward despite that it won't directly impact yields or sector growth.
- Location
- The great frozen north
That sounds like the opposite of a recommendation.
But even without this sketchy record, I'm feeling very strongly in favor of Tatarchuk. Expanding services to the countryside instead of just cities is a project that desperately needs to be done. Speaking of which, we really should []Authorize Farmer-Programs next turn.
I'm much more flexible on Klimenko's deputy, but I like the idea of Nukh Berzegov. Putting a Circassian in the ministry will lead to interesting new perspective and hopefully look good to our minorities. He also has economic experience which I expect will mean a global +5 or more modifier. An extra free dice is not bad after we lost some under The Voz, and 6 years as deputy should get him acceptable management experience by the time he takes the throne.
Crazy is convincing on the probes, but that does mean we'll need to really hope we don't get cost overruns on the Light Launcher and Nuclear Engine projects.
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