Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition

[General_Urist]

As tempting as using our favor for more funding is, the whole point of having funding low this plan was cooling the economy in preparation for the big industrial push next plan. Let's go for the food program or subsidies.

Also @Blackstar I think the automated projects at the end of the plan turn should be cut back to just their name and effects like they were during the 7th plan, with the full descriptions only showing up on the first turn of the plan and status page. Otherwise it adds several not very useful blocks of text to the end of the post that sandwich the sparser and important profitability information and make it easy to accidentally scroll past.

EDIT: Have an extremely rough (no rocketry or bureaucracy) plan before I head to bed. Thrown together using the spreadsheet from last turn. Finishes the stalingrad plant, keeps a trickle of profitable stuff in LCI and HI, bunch of infra stuff that has a low but non-zero chance of completing because I'm really stretching that dice mileage.

Too tired to look deep into bureucracy but it should be a bunch of food stuff mostly to fit the plan name. It's time to really set the stage for agricultural change.

[] Plan draft: Writing the OmNomNomicon
-[]3445/3450 Resources (5 Reserve), 31 Dice Rolled
Infrastructure (8/9 Dice, 765 R)
-[]Western USSR Regional Roads, 2 Dice (170 R)
-[]Ural Region High Capacity Roads, 1 Dice (85 R)
-[]Civilian Airports(Stage 3), 2 Dice (140 R)
-[]Unified Canal System(Step 2 of 3), 1 Dice (70 R)
-[]Power Grid Expansions, 1 Dice (80 R)
-[]ASU, 1 Dice (220 R)
Heavy Industry (3/5 Dice, 480 R)
-[]Nikolayev Automotive Plant, 2 Dice (320 R)
-[]Bryansk Truck Plant, 1 Dice (160 R)
Rocketry (1/1 Dice, 200 R)
-[]Stalingrad Plant Expansions, 1 Dice (200 R)
-Should I just dump all the spare free dice here?
Light and Chemical Industry (5/6 Dice, 630 R)
-[]Samotor Field Development(Stage 1), 2 Dice (240 R)
-[]Home Supplies Production, 2 Dice (240 R)
-[]Second Generation Plastics(Stage 2), 1 Dice (150 R)
Agriculture (6/6 Dice, 670 R)
-[]Domestic Meat Programs(Stage 1), 3 Dice (330 R)
-[]Agronomy Institutes, 1 Dice (100 R)
-[]Agricultural Insurance Enterprises, 1 Dice (120 R)
-[]Second Generation Seed Program, 1 Dice (120 R)
Services (8/10 Dice, 700 R)
-[]Distribution of Banking Branches, 2 Dice (160 R)
-[]Transportation Enterprises(Stage 1), 2 Dice (220 R)
-[]Legal Consulting Programs, 2 Dice (160 R)
-[]Expanding State Catalogs, 2 Dice (160 R)
Bureaucracy TBD,
-[]Farm Stuff, 3 dice

 

[Traveller76]

Do we not have a bunch of rifles and small arms that are being phased out?

 

[agumentic]

Made two variants of a plan, one that goes for both Stalingrad plant and ASU and one that exchanges ASU and one service die on Transportation Enterprises to try and knock out one more car plant so we can keep up with our Capital Goods goal. Personally, I prefer the Capital Goods version, but it is somewhat tempting to just knock ASU out once and for all.

For the rest of the actions, in Infra, thanks to the awful rolls last turn, we really need to invest a lot of dice in roads. Both Caucasus and Western USSR are important agricultural regions, and thus we need to build them up ASAP, and if we get lucky, one die on Ural will finish it - if not, we can finish it next turn without really losing anything. Also starts us on the power grid and slowrolls the canal funding now that SupSov turned its attentions elsewhere. Rocketry, we already left Stalingrad without funding for an year, we do it again and we'll lose all progress, which is not cheap - besides, we do need the rockets for the international flights we promised last turn, and they probably count as capital goods. In LCI, we go for Foods Production and more oil, both Very Profitable and one even helpful for agriculture. Speaking of, besides the obvious meat, both Insurance Enterprises and Second Generation Seed are actions we can knock out this turn and have them help the plan, unlike, in my opinion, Agricultural Institutes. Services are unfortunately left somewhat fallow, but McStalins put us ahead of the curve there, so we can afford it.

Now, for bureaucracy, I'd like to reiterate myself - I do not think we can afford to get into more than one political fight on our own, not yet. Thankfully, we got the favour, so we can pick one favour action and one reform of our own. In my opinion, the best way to spend the favour is subsidies reformatting - it will be directly helpful to our goal by shifting the funding from SOEs that are already big and are most probably corrupt to small producers who still have a lot of room to grow. Moreover, it's something that I believe we can't do on our own even slightly, certainly not in time to help the plan goal - unlike the food program, the lesser version of which was available to us last turn. It is lesser, yes, and it hurts, but just by keeping Klimenko in the seat, we leave the road open for eventually expanding it to a full version. To synergize with the funding shifting and probable Agricultural Insurance Enterprises establishment, I suggest we also take the expanded insurance reform - that means small farmers will now have more money which they can partially invest into insurance and partially into new techniques without risking losses. This combination really has the potential to turbocharge their productivity, I think.

In non-reform action, we investigate Services and call for a second meeting to hopefully organize something with Sokhan and oust the assuredly corrupt Petrovsky, along with generally reassuring the ministry and establishing alliances.

[] Plan Funding Big Projects
-[]3470/3470 Resources (0 Reserve), 40 Dice Rolled
-[]Infrastructure (11/9 Dice, 1050 R)
--[]Western USSR Regional Roads, 3 Dice (255 R)
--[]Caucuses High Capacity Roads, 4 Dice (340 R)
--[]Ural Region High Capacity Roads, 1 Dice (85 R)
--[]Unified Canal System(Step 2 of 3), 1 Dice (70 R)
--[]Power Grid Expansions, 1 Dice (80 R)
--[]ASU, 1 Dice (220 R)
-[]Heavy Industry (2/5 Dice, 320 R)
--[]Bryansk Truck Plant, 2 Dice (320 R)
-[]Rocketry (2/2 Dice, 200 R)
--[]Stalingrad Plant Expansions, 1 Dice (200 R)
--[]Allow Enterprise Bidding, 1 Dice
-[]Light and Chemical Industry (5/6 Dice, 510 R)
--[]Samotor Field Development(Stage 1), 2 Dice (240 R)
--[]Modern Foods Production(Stage 1), 3 Dice (270 R)
-[]Agriculture (8/6 Dice, 920 R)
--[]Domestic Meat Programs(Stage 2), 4 Dice (440 R)
--[]Agricultural Insurance Enterprises, 2 Dice (240 R)
--[]Second Generation Seed Program, 2 Dice (240 R)
-[]Services (5/10 Dice, 470 R)
--[]Expanded Childcare(Stage 3), 2 Dice (140 R)
--[]Transportation Enterprises(Stage 1), 3 Dice (330 R)
-[]Bureaucracy (8/8 Dice, 0 R)
--Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(Domestic Meat Programs(Stage 2))
--Unified Passport Zone, 1 Dice
--Resumption of Punishments, 1 Dice
--Codify Convertibility, 1 Dice
--[]Personally Assess Department(Services), 1 Dice
--[]Price Loss Coverage
--[]Reformat Farming Subsidies
--[]Call a Second General Meeting


[] Plan Getting Capital Goods
-[]3470/3470 Resources (0 Reserve), 41 Dice Rolled
-[]Infrastructure (10/9 Dice, 830 R)
--[]Western USSR Regional Roads, 3 Dice (255 R)
--[]Caucuses High Capacity Roads, 4 Dice (340 R)
--[]Ural Region High Capacity Roads, 1 Dice (85 R)
--[]Unified Canal System(Step 2 of 3), 1 Dice (70 R)
--[]Power Grid Expansions, 1 Dice (80 R)
-[]Heavy Industry (4/5 Dice, 640 R)
--[]Nikolayev Automotive Plant, 2 Dice (320 R)
--[]Bryansk Truck Plant, 2 Dice (320 R)
-[]Rocketry (3/2 Dice, 200 R)
--[]Stalingrad Plant Expansions, 1 Dice (200 R)
--[]Publicly Provide Atmospheric Information, 1 Dice
--[]Allow Enterprise Bidding, 1 Dice
-[]Light and Chemical Industry (5/6 Dice, 510 R)
--[]Samotor Field Development(Stage 1), 2 Dice (240 R)
--[]Modern Foods Production(Stage 1), 3 Dice (270 R)
-[]Agriculture (8/6 Dice, 920 R)
--[]Domestic Meat Programs(Stage 2), 4 Dice (440 R)
--[]Agricultural Insurance Enterprises, 2 Dice (240 R)
--[]Second Generation Seed Program, 2 Dice (240 R)
-[]Services (4/10 Dice, 370 R)
--[]Expanded Childcare(Stage 3), 1 Dice (70 R)
--[]Transportation Enterprises(Stage 1), 2 Dice (220 R)
--[]Legal Consulting Programs, 1 Dice (80 R)
-[]Bureaucracy (8/8 Dice, 0 R)
--Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(Domestic Meat Programs(Stage 2))
--Unified Passport Zone, 1 Dice
--Resumption of Punishments, 1 Dice
--Codify Convertibility, 1 Dice
--[]Reformat Farming Subsidies, 1 Dice
--[]Price Loss Coverage, 1 Dice
--[]Call a Second General Meeting, 1 Dice
--[]Personally Assess Department(Services), 1 Dice

 

[General_Urist]

Just noticed.

[]Sevastopol Technical Equipment Plants: The Gorky dominance on machine tooling has served to slow the production of new equipment and while standards have improved throughput, they have only served to stagnate general industry. By combining computerization in the lightest units along with a guided numerical control mill, further advanced machining methods can be produced at scale. The production involved will be expensive both in experts and the techniques involved, but the highest quality machine tools must be made at significant scale for proper utilization. The introduction of a further sector of technical production will also provide a vector for competition, ensuring steady developments. (300 Resources per Dice 0/150) (-65 CI9 Electricity +2 Steel +3 Non-Ferrous +1 General Labor +3 Educated Labor) (High Profitability)

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Oh god damn it.

300 resources per dice, and at least two dice if we're lucky. We can probably save it to next turn when that -10 to Heavy Industry is gone, but we sure as hell need to pony up the cash this plan otherwise our industry will lag behind badly.

 

[notgreat]

Spreadsheet for those who use it.

edit: fix modifiers

 

[SuperHeavy]

We can probably save it to next turn when that -10 to Heavy Industry is gone, but we sure as hell need to pony up the cash this plan otherwise our industry will lag behind badly.

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Agreed it would be nice to keep not only our ability to turn out the more advanced products needed to keep up with the West, but also stop them dominating that part of the exports market. As China and India develop their manufacturing centers I want them buying the required machinery and expertise from us.

 

[General_Urist]

...I forgot the 20 resources we had in reserve for my rough plan. Man, that was silly given how often I found myself 10 resources short.

we already left Stalingrad without funding for an year, we do it again and we'll lose all progress, which is not cheap - besides, we do need the rockets for the international flights we promised last turn, and they probably count as capital goods.

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That confirmed from the Discord? Oof. Also, the phrase "[rockets] probably count as capital goods" really got me smiling. Well, we ARE using them to provide value to our allies now (and soon enterprises)... Anyways, I like the Capital Goods plan. ASU can probably idle for a turn and cramming the dice into something profitable in HI is a good idea. Between coal, Sevastopol, and the inevitable steel mill we sure as heck won't be able to afford vehicle factories in future turns.

I'm still unhappy with unleashing processed food hell though. But with our crunch, it may be necessary to take out that metaphorical loan even if we have to pay back the debt to public health a decade later.

 

[7th Hex]

That confirmed from the Discord? Oof. Also, the phrase "[rockets] probably count as capital goods" really got me smiling. Well, we ARE using them to provide value to our allies now (and soon enterprises)... Anyways, I like the Capital Goods plan. ASU can probably idle for a turn and cramming the dice into something profitable in HI is a good idea. Between coal, Sevastopol, and the inevitable steel mill we sure as heck won't be able to afford vehicle factories in future turns.

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I don't think it's been confirmed explicitly, IIRC there's not been any QM statement that "we have to do it now or we lose everything." Just more a consequence of the new full year turns, where before some things might have been okay to leave with mostly minor issues for 1 turn/6 months, maybe 2 turns/12 months, as long as we picked them up again right afterward, compared to now where if we leave something hanging halfway for just 1 turn that's still cutting funding to it for a full year, while while two turns in a row means that it's gone unfunded for just under half a plan.

There's a few projects I think that can still handle that kind of thing, where the usual thing that happens is we dump a whole bunch of money into some big infra project or something over a turn or two and then they spend the next few years working through that pile. I think the last one that happened with was Water Distribution where we funded an entire large scale expansion in just a year and got told any more funding we put in was just going to build up a backlog and not make it happen any faster. I don't think that a rocket production plant with all the precision manufacturing equipment and whatnot needed for that is one of those though.

Personally, my top desires for this plan are: Stalingrad, Second Generation Plastics, Banking Branches, Transportation Enterprises, and Hotel-Enterprises as somewhat to rather important projects that we already started and left unfunded last year.

 

[General_Urist]

The Very High Profitability of []Modern Foods Production(Stage 1) amuses me. Demand for soviet twinkies and granola bars (assuming the minister is not talking out of his ass, we're not exactly doing detailed market research) is so high they can make us as much money as an entire new oil field.

 

[Angle]

State Consumer Food Champions(Stage 1): The previous state champions of making food directly for the workers' consumption have all performed exceedingly well, but there are many local food goods that have failed to be utilized. Spreading efforts towards including regional foods and bringing them to national distribution will take work on menus and a more complicated logistical chain but it can improve variety in diet and secure a decent portion of profits. These enterprises will effectively be formed as loose conglomerates of smaller businesses, with centralized coordinating bodies driving much of the production and taking a share while lower echelons are organized in a semi-cooperative manner. (609/200 Stage 1 Complete) (409/200 Stage 2 Complete) (209/200 Stage 3 Complete) (-42CI3 Electricity +7 General Labor) (+90 RpY)

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[]State Consumer Food Champions(Stage 1): The previous state champions of making food directly for the workers' consumption have all performed exceedingly well, but there are many local food goods that have failed to be utilized. Spreading efforts towards including regional foods and bringing them to national distribution will take work on menus and a more complicated logistical chain but it can improve variety in diet and secure a decent portion of profits. These enterprises will effectively be formed as loose conglomerates of smaller businesses, with centralized coordinating bodies driving much of the production and taking a share while lower echelons are organized in a semi-cooperative manner. (80 Resources per Dice 0/200) (-11CI1 Electricity +3 General Labor) (High Profitability)

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It looks like this didn't get updated?

 

[agumentic]

Second Generation Plastics

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Oh, Second Generation Plastics also cost a lot and close to completing. Well, damn. I guess I can drop a couple of projects in Infra and Services to fund them? Something to seriously consider.

 

[Dwergar]

I'm just confused by that Sevastopol option.
It's great, but why Sevastopol? Even if freshwater supply is not an issue via dams on Dnieper, picking a predominantly military port to build such a factory at is not an obvious choice to me, not when whole of Ukrainian SSR is available, to say nothing of Belarus and Baltics.

 

[Kirai]

I'm just confused by that Sevastopol option.
It's great, but why Sevastopol? Even if freshwater supply is not an issue via dams on Dnieper, picking a predominantly military port to build such a factory at is not an obvious choice to me, not when whole of Ukrainian SSR is available, to say nothing of Belarus and Baltics.

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It's where all our computer nerds are going to be. The Silicon Valley of the Union.

 

[Kirai]

Okay, got a plan idea.

• Infrastructure is pretty normal imo. Work is to be done on developing Western USSR roads with priority, some effort on Ural roads and starting caucuses roads. Civilian airports are cheap, and will hopefully have a synergy with hotel-enterprises later on. The canal is likely to finish and we can get started on expanding the power grid in prep for the dams, so we don't have to shock effort power later on.
• We need to start investing in heavy industry for a few reasons. Beyond attempting to hit plan goals, we just put student cadre in HI, so to have them progress we need to actually fund the sector. In addition, if we're gonna push a HI plan next, we need to start getting this sector going again. This likely finishes Bryansk and gets Nikolayev started. Why Nikolayev? It's cheap and relatively small.
• Stalingrad needs to be restarted after a year, so we just don't leave a construction site sitting around any longer. Enterprise bidding and public atmospheric data seem the most economically beneficial, but I could see shifting a free dice to Venusian funding transfer.
• Samotor makes mad money, and has around 50% chance of finishing. I'd like to finish this stage of AC because it's so close. Modern food production is cheap and is very highly profitable. It could also drive agriculture profits indirectly, although I might doubt that. But the potential profits are good enough that I would love a shock effort. If only the super soviet dedicated a dice to this.
• Agriculture we want to continue developing meat, and this will push us past this stage and into the next one, hopefully doing both but that's unlikely. I want to get some of the longer term projects started as well, but I can see about wanting to shock effort meat.
• For services... I don't have anything great. I want to keep things that are already in progress ongoing, but this sector I can't justify increasing much more. I also chose legal consulting so later on we can consume more educated labor.
• Now the contentious one, bureaucracy. I want to continue the assault on corruption ahead of the Supsov, hopefully finding enough evidence to get rid of the Services head, and maybe see what the deputy is up to before we maybe promote her. A second general meeting will hopefully go better, and work on getting a power base in the ministry. In lieu of the favor on subsidies, flexibility legislation will hopefully help increase profitability. The expanded food program seems like a good maneuver to make that we might not be able to make again. Beyond increasing agricultural consumption by providing more free food than just bread, I think it's powerful politically for Abramov and Klimenko. It's a populist signal that will help quell unrest by removing the free bread. It also will hopefully inspire loyalty to Klim by the malleable student cadres entering HI. Oh and it'll help move us closer to actual socialism, rather than pure focus on number go up.

[] Plan Stalin Snacks Shock Doctrine
-[]3465/3470 Resources (5 Reserve), 39 Dice Rolled
-[]Infrastructure (9/9 Dice, 715 R)
--[]Western USSR Regional Roads, 3 Dice (255 R)
--[]Caucuses High Capacity Roads, 1 Dice (85 R)
--[]Ural Region High Capacity Roads, 1 Dice (85 R)
--[]Civilian Airports(Stage 3), 1 Dice (70 R)
--[]Unified Canal System(Step 2 of 3), 2 Dice (140 R)
--[]Power Grid Expansions, 1 Dice (80R)
-[]Heavy Industry (3/5 Dice, 480 R)
--[]Nikolayev Automotive Plant, 1 Dice (160 R)
--[]Bryansk Truck Plant, 2 Dice (320 R)
-[]Rocketry (3/2 Dice, 200 R)
--[]Stalingrad Plant Expansions, 1 Dice (200 R)
--[]Allow Enterprise Bidding, 1 Dice (0 R)
--[]Publicly Provide Atmospheric Information, 1 Dice (0 R)
-[]Light and Chemical Industry (9/6 Dice, 940 R)
--[]Samotor Field Development(Stage 1), 2 Dice (240 R)
--[]Air Conditioner Plants(Stage 4), 1 Dice (100 R)
--[]Modern Foods Production(Stage 1), 5 Dice (450 R)
-[]Agriculture (6/6 Dice, 670 R)
--[]Domestic Meat Programs(Stage 2), 3 Dice (330 R)
--[]Agronomy Institutes, 1 Dice (100 R)
--[]Agricultural Insurance Enterprises, 1 Dice (120 R)
--[]Second Generation Seed Program, 1 Dice (120 R)
-[]Services (5/10 Dice, 460 R)
--[]Distribution of Banking Branches, 1 Dice (80 R)
--[]Expanded Childcare(Stage 3), 1 Dice (70 R)
--[]Transportation Enterprises(Stage 1), 1 Dice (110 R)
--[]Legal Consulting Programs, 1 Dice (80 R)
--[]Hotel-Enterprises, 1 Dice (120 R)
-[]Bureaucracy (8/8 Dice, 0 R)
--Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(Domestic Meat Programs(Stage 2)), 1 Dice
--Unified Passport Zone, 1 Dice
--Resumption of Punishments, 1 Dice
--Codify Convertibility, 1 Dice
--[]An Expanded Food Program, 1 Dice
--[]Farmer Flexibility Legislation, 1 Dice
--[]Call a Second General Meeting, 1 Dice
--[]Personally Assess Department(Services), 1 Dice

 

[Takareer]

[]An Expanded Food Program

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Yes! We must restore socialism!

 

[Crazycryodude]

Ok I threw together a plan, I think I'm caving to the numbers on needing to take out that loan. The only other way around it is doing neither of Stalingrad OR ASU while still idling most of Heavy Industry, or picking one of the high tech projects at the cost of even less/zero HI.

I'm worried that suspending investment into our largest sector for 2 entire years has a higher risk of kicking off a recession via demand crash than we have of the private business cycle popping in the next couple years. We still have pretty cheap labor and dirt cheap electricity, even if the private sector is definitely bubbling we should be able to stop it from popping for a couple more years on the back of those two. As long as dirt cheap electricity can buy us even 1-2 more years, enough of the loan should be paid back that GosBank still has the liquidity to respond to a private bubble pop without horrible inflation.

And in the meantime, we really do need that loan to get through the next couple years. Especially if we want there to be any hope of getting something like the new machinery complex, which sounds necessary to break the Gorky-Automobile mega-cartel but holy shit is it absurdly expensive. Expensive enough that I want to wait until 1967 to throw a couple dice at it so the -10 goes away, but we need some emergency cash to keep HI afloat in 1966 so it's not cold starting in '67, and we need the loan to afford the machinery in '68, so let's just bite the bullet now.

Otherwise, things are still slanted pretty heavy towards making a profit, because if we don't keep up an income gain of 200-300RpT each year then 1968/69 are going to be horribly crushing with the loan repayment. I think it's pretty reasonable to manage through at least 1968 without getting crushed by the payments... and if 1969 is going to be hard, well, that's a problem for 1969 Klimenko, 1966 Klimenko needs a loan to keep the economy ticking 1966-69 first.

For Bureau, obviously the issue of the day is Ag reform. Still important not to totally forget about Ministry politics, so that can get 1 die for another general meeting, leaving 2 for Ag reforms. I believe we should take 1) the universal food credit and 2) creating the commission on agriculture. While the subsidy and tariff reform all in one big package is very tempting to take, we can appeal to "impartial experts" from the agronomy schools/ag reform commission to justify something like a subsidy revision later. Probably not as total, but something to start chipping away at the state supply side of the problem. The real thing that shines about the food credit though IMO is that it's a very rare opportunity to directly inject a huge amount of money into the demand side of the problem.

A universal food credit given to everybody in the USSR without means testing or major bureaucratic overhead suddenly means hundreds of millions of people are all guaranteed to start circulating a lot more money through our Ag and consumer LCI sectors overnight. It should supercharge investment funds on our already-profitable enterprises, and also drive demand for the anything-but-grain crops we would be trying to reform the supply side subsidies to target. It's basically a guaranteed demand side subsidy for the enterprises we want to favor (and away from the grain/bread/absolute cheapest starvation wage staples that everybody can afford to try and diversify away from with free food money).

It also has the benefit of being very publicly improving living conditions, universally, after the August 17th incident. That'll hopefully get people to simmer down a little bit more, and conveniently lets Abramov make a big political show of his faction being the ones to push free food for everybody. This is one of our better chances to continue maneuvering against Masherov's support base in the aftermath of August - troikas never stay troikas and we want to make sure it's Abramov that keeps power after the knives come out.

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[]Plan Resolving Economic Shortfalls With Liquidity Surpluses
-[]Infrastructure (9/9 dice + 1 Free) 975 Resources
--[]Western USSR Regional Roads, 3 dice (255R) 41%
--[]Ural Region High Capacity Roads, 2 dice (170R) 78%
--[]Water Distribution Systems(Stage 7), 1 die (100R) 0%
--[]Unified Canal System(Step 2 of 3), 1 die (70R) 32%
--[]Power Grid Expansions, 2 dice (160R) 0%
--[]ASU, 1 die (220R) 91%
-[]Heavy Industry (5/5 dice) 760 Resources
--[]Kuzbas Deposit Exploitation(Stage 1), 1 die (120R) 0%
--[]Nikolayev Automotive Plant, 2 dice (320R) 38%
--[]Bryansk Truck Plant, 2 dice (320R) 73%
-[]Rocketry (2/2 dice) 200 Resources
--[]Stalingrad Plant Expansion, 1 die (200R) 56%
--[]Publicly Provide Atmospheric Information, 1 die
-[]Light and Chemical Industry (6/6 dice + 1 Free) 760 Resources
--[]Samotor Field Development(Stage 1), 2 dice (240R) 57%
--[]Air Conditioner Plants(Stage 4), 1 die (100R) 95%
--[]Modern Foods Production(Stage 1), 3 dice (270R) 75%
--[]Second Generation Plastics(Stage 2), 1 die (150R) 65%
-[]Agriculture (6/6 dice + 2 Free) 900 Resources
--[]Domestic Meat Programs(Stage 2), 4 dice (440R) 76%? Stage 3
--[]Agronomy Institutes, 1 die (100R) 29%
--[]Agricultural Insurance Enterprises, 2 dice (240R) 57%
--[]Second Generation Seed Program, 1 die (120R) 29%
-[]Services (10/10 dice) 960 Resources
--[]Distribution of Banking Branches, 2 dice (160R) 61%
--[]Expanded Childcare(Stage 3), 2 dice (140R) 62%
--[]Transportation Enterprises(Stage 1), 2 dice (220R) 74%
--[]Legal Consulting Programs, 1 die (80R) 14%
--[]Hotel-Enterprises, 3 dice (360R) 69%
-[]Bureaucracy (8/8 dice) 0 Resources
--[]Unified Passport Zone, 1 SupSov die
--[]Resumption of Punishments, 1 SupSov die
--[]Codify Convertability, 1 SupSov die
--[]An Expanded Food Program, 1 die
--[]Start a Commission on Agriculture, 1 die
--[]Call a Second General Meeting, 1 die
--[]Request a Loan, 1 die
--[]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project (Domestic Meat Programs), 1 SupSov die (unrolled)
-[]Total Cost: 4555R/5970R, 1415R reserved, 49 dice rolled

 

[Dwergar]

It's where all our computer nerds are going to be. The Silicon Valley of the Union.

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Even if they're dead-set on Crimea, there are a lot of other places - Yalta, Yevpatoria, Feodosia, the list is long.
And those wouldn't step on navy's toes like parking a huge manufacturing complex right outside Black Sea Fleet HQ would.

 

[Crazycryodude]

TL;DR just fuckin give the poors money. They're guaranteed to spend it generating real economic activity/physical goods demand rather than financial instruments or gold plated yachts like supply-side subsidies to large enterprises sometimes vanish into.

 

[Vi'Talzin]

That confirmed from the Discord? Oof. Also, the phrase "[rockets] probably count as capital goods" really got me smiling. Well, we ARE using them to provide value to our allies now (and soon enterprises)... Anyways, I like the Capital Goods plan. ASU can probably idle for a turn and cramming the dice into something profitable in HI is a good idea. Between coal, Sevastopol, and the inevitable steel mill we sure as heck won't be able to afford vehicle factories in future turns.

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She did not say it in so many words. "stalingrad activly degrading, oopse" is what was stated, which could mean that though. In any case, we should put a dice in it yeah.

But with our crunch, it may be necessary to take out that metaphorical loan even if we have to pay back the debt to public health a decade later.

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The issue with debt is not repayment taking a decade, we would pay it off by 1965. The issue is that 1. It kinda runs counter to the ideia of counter cyclical spending we are running with and 2. If we shoot our shot in finance based economic stimulus and have a recession or oil crisis the turn after that we would be in big trouble.

 

[Hianny]

I am personally with Cry's plan. It sucks to take a loan right when we are about to hit a recession but if we don't want to either sacrifice our focus in services or kill internal HI demand then a loan is needed IMO.

 

[agumentic]

I very much support the cause of fighting poverty, but let us not forget Blackstar's words back when we were picking the plan:

actually fixing [agriculture] will do more for the poverty rate then nearly anything else you can do.

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Our biggest source of poverty is rural poverty, which is something a state food program would be bad at addressing. Even if it applies in full, as opposed to programs mention in Authorize Farmer-Programs - I assume it does, given the "every citizen" - the state of rural infrastructure is so abysmal that a program wouldn't be able to really distribute things beyond, perhaps, what nearby farms grow already. And due to current subsidy regime that is mostly grain - but we can change that. Reformat the subsidy regime and farms will suddenly be able to afford growing vegetables and to buy cows and pigs for meat. And this would not be something enterprises take advantage of - in fact, family farms will be much more able to take advantage of a new subsidy regime, and what family farms produce is also what they eat. As such, making meat and vegetables affordable to produce would directly impact what people in the countryside eat, and in my opinion, to a greater degree than a state aid program.

Plus, I'd like to repeat myself and say that we can institute a lesser version of a program that would still help on our own, without a favor. No such option exists for fixing the subsidy regime. Now, our own version would be less effective, true, but as long as we keep Klimenko in the seat, the same man who looked at the numbers and said "let's just aid everyone" will still be looking at the same numbers. The possibility of expanding the program would not be lost - as long as Klimenko is in the seat. Thankfully, that's something reformatting the subsidies so they emphasize profitable vegetables and meat and modern farming instead of exhausting the land with useless grain would really help with.

 

[General_Urist]

Actually, I'm shifting thoughts towards expanding the food program rather than reforming subsidies. Reducing rural poverty is great, but the portion of the population involved in agriculture will only shrink over time. Urban poor will always be a concern, and a growing one as the age of automation dawns. Major subsidy reforms are significant in the context of the Bolshevik party and its brainworms about the rural trash, but a guaranteed food credit is way more historic.

The "lesser" version of the program is still useful, but it only subsidizes basic foodstuffs so I get the impression it won't have the big "gee whiz free bread Communism is awesome" reaction among the public Voznesensky's old program did.

[]Approve Transfer of Venusian Funding: The Venus project faces immense technical challenges with the state of the atmosphere and severe issues facing the program. Rather than continuing on as is and shoveling more funding towards a program that is unlikely to work the funds can instead be partially committed towards working on manned and lunar programs. Those offer the highest return and scrapping the entire venus project until more funds are available is one of the ways to secure politically acceptable funding. (1 Dice)

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Not that I want to do it either way, but what would be the difference in effect between taking this option and just manually cancelling the Venera Program? I'm inclined to keep the program going until we get a first photograph of Venus's surface (unless our engineers just fail totally at dealing with the sulfuric acid weather) since pictures of other worlds are a prestige thing and seeing that under those clouds there is just a rocky landscape will highlight that continuing to bash our heads against that atmosphere is not worth it.

 

[Red Rationalist]

TL;DR just fuckin give the poors money. They're guaranteed to spend it generating real economic activity/physical goods demand rather than financial instruments or gold plated yachts like supply-side subsidies to large enterprises sometimes vanish into.

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I think putting food programs over agricultural subsidy reform is a mistake. For all the party's numerous faults, the current political constellation is ok-ish on fighting urban poverty (case and point, wages being increased by 10% last year) and would likely come around to a food-stamps and expending food stamps when we propose it. Both young wings of the troika pride themselves on their efforts to reduce (urban) inequality and would pursue reforms to that end. Agricultural reforms, which is needed to combat rural poverty however is ignored by anyone but Klimenko, who presented his plan on the bases of fixing agriculture. We have a better shot at making agriculture, the lifeblood of rural regions, profitable if we ensure the SupSov stops demanding increased land cultivation and let people grow something other than wheat.
We will probably collect political favours later for an expended food program, but passing sufficient agricultural reforms is quite time-sensitive in this plan. Spending our favour on the project we put up as the measuring stick for our success is just a better idea.

Actually, I'm shifting thoughts towards expanding the food program rather than reforming subsidies. Reducing rural poverty is great, but the portion of the population involved in agriculture will only shrink over time. Urban poor will always be a concern, and a growing one as the age of automation dawns. Major subsidy reforms are significant in the context of the Bolshevik party and its brainworms about the rural trash, but a guaranteed food credit is way more historic.

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The number of people involved in agriculture will shrink in line with mechanization, but the people living in rural areas won't shrink anywhere as fast. Critically, social services are restricted to urban, non-rural workers, not automatically given to non-agricultural labour in rural regions. Just automating agriculture doesn't solve the issue of rural poverty if you have light industry exploit rural workers without access to a social safety net.

 

[Vi'Talzin]

[] Plan Cars, Snacks and Meat, the Soviet Dream (Free Food version)
-[]3465/3470 Resources (5 Reserve), 33 Dice Rolled
-[]Infrastructure (11/9 Dice, 915 R)
--[]Western USSR Regional Roads, 3 Dice (255 R)
--[]Caucuses High Capacity Roads, 1 Dice (85 R)
--[]Ural Region High Capacity Roads, 3 Dice (85 R)
--[]Water Distribution Systems(Stage 7), 1 Dice (100 R)
--[]Civilian Airports(Stage 3), 1 Dice (70 R)
--[]Unified Canal System(Step 2 of 3), 1 Dice (70 R)
--[]Power Grid Expansions, 1 Dice (80R)
-[]Heavy Industry (5/5 Dice, 860 R)
--[]Volga Automotive Plant Expansion, 3 Dice (540 R)
--[]Bryansk Truck Plant, 2 Dice (320 R)
-[]Rocketry (3/2 Dice, 200 R)
--[]Stalingrad Plant Expansions, 1 Dice (200 R)
--[]Allow Enterprise Bidding, 1 Dice (0 R)
--[]Publicly Provide Atmospheric Information, 1 Dice (0 R)
-[]Light and Chemical Industry (6/6 Dice, 610 R)
--[]Air Conditioner Plants(Stage 4), 1 Dice (100 R)
--[]Modern Foods Production(Stage 1), 4 Dice (450 R)
--[]Second Generation Plastics(Stage 2), 1 Dice (150 R)
-[]Agriculture (6/6 Dice, 690 R)
--[]Domestic Meat Programs(Stage 2), 3 Dice (330 R)
--[]Agricultural Insurance Enterprises, 2 Dice (240 R)
--[]Second Generation Seed Program, 1 Dice (120 R)
-[]Services (2/10 Dice, 190 R)
--[]Distribution of Banking Branches, 1 Dice (80 R)
--[]Transportation Enterprises(Stage 1), 1 Dice (110 R)
-[]Bureaucracy (8/8 Dice, 0 R)
--Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(Domestic Meat Programs(Stage 2)), 1 Dice
--Unified Passport Zone, 1 Dice
--Resumption of Punishments, 1 Dice
--Codify Convertibility, 1 Dice
--[]An Expanded Food Program, 1 Dice
--[]Break Private Land Limits, 1 Dice
--[]Call a Second General Meeting, 1 Dice
--[]Personally Assess Department(Services), 1 Dice

[] Plan Cars, Snacks and Meat, the Soviet Dream (Subsidies version)
-[]3465/3470 Resources (5 Reserve), 33 Dice Rolled
-[]Infrastructure (11/9 Dice, 915 R)
--[]Western USSR Regional Roads, 3 Dice (255 R)
--[]Caucuses High Capacity Roads, 1 Dice (85 R)
--[]Ural Region High Capacity Roads, 3 Dice (85 R)
--[]Water Distribution Systems(Stage 7), 1 Dice (100 R)
--[]Civilian Airports(Stage 3), 1 Dice (70 R)
--[]Unified Canal System(Step 2 of 3), 1 Dice (70 R)
--[]Power Grid Expansions, 1 Dice (80R)
-[]Heavy Industry (5/5 Dice, 860 R)
--[]Volga Automotive Plant Expansion, 3 Dice (540 R)
--[]Bryansk Truck Plant, 2 Dice (320 R)
-[]Rocketry (3/2 Dice, 200 R)
--[]Stalingrad Plant Expansions, 1 Dice (200 R)
--[]Allow Enterprise Bidding, 1 Dice (0 R)
--[]Publicly Provide Atmospheric Information, 1 Dice (0 R)
-[]Light and Chemical Industry (6/6 Dice, 610 R)
--[]Air Conditioner Plants(Stage 4), 1 Dice (100 R)
--[]Modern Foods Production(Stage 1), 4 Dice (450 R)
--[]Second Generation Plastics(Stage 2), 1 Dice (150 R)
-[]Agriculture (6/6 Dice, 690 R)
--[]Domestic Meat Programs(Stage 2), 3 Dice (330 R)
--[]Agricultural Insurance Enterprises, 2 Dice (240 R)
--[]Second Generation Seed Program, 1 Dice (120 R)
-[]Services (2/10 Dice, 190 R)
--[]Distribution of Banking Branches, 1 Dice (80 R)
--[]Transportation Enterprises(Stage 1), 1 Dice (110 R)
-[]Bureaucracy (8/8 Dice, 0 R)
--Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(Domestic Meat Programs(Stage 2)), 1 Dice
--Unified Passport Zone, 1 Dice
--Resumption of Punishments, 1 Dice
--Codify Convertibility, 1 Dice
--[]Reformat Farming Subsidies, 1 Dice
--[]Authorize Farmer-Programs, 1 Dice
--[]Call a Second General Meeting, 1 Dice
--[]Personally Assess Department(Services), 1 Dice

Made two plans with the goal of catching up to our capital goods and consooms goal, mainly by trying to finish the Bryansk plant this turn and trying to get started, if not complete if we are particularly lucky, the Volga plant which should be the biggest money maker in terms of the automotive industry. The latter should help with our consumers goods goal since cars are one that are in high demand, and they count as capital goods as well. Also aimed to finish both the AC and Plastic plants, latter of which is capgoods, as well as trying to get the two stages of modern production done since they are so profitable. To fund both though, I had to make cutbacks in Services, but it should be fine since we are ahead there and so the sector can tolerate less investment. MFPG will suffer, but we should start work on Kuzbas next turn and Samotor is always there if we think we need to catch up.

 

[General_Urist]

The number of people involved in agriculture will shrink in line with mechanization, but the people living in rural areas won't shrink anywhere as fast. Critically, social services are restricted to urban, non-rural workers, not automatically given to non-agricultural labour in rural regions. Just automating agriculture doesn't solve the issue of rural poverty if you have light industry exploit rural workers without access to a social safety net.

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Yikes, is the Bolshevik disdain for all rurals, not just peasant farmers, THAT strong? Or is it just a matter of our service deficit being so bad we haven't even started on the countryside? Anyways, I get your point. Probably better to reform subsidies this plan, especially since reforming agriculture is Klimenko's big promise.

And I too am starting to feel a loan might be needed. We gotta be careful to not drop spending too suddenly in the final couple turns of the plan though to avoid instability. Don't use it all at once, just use it to keep any ministry from falling too idle.

Actually, question: Does a ministry care more about the number of resources or the number of dice expended in terms of avoiding damage from going slack. For example: Two dice on Sevastopol is 600 resources. To get the same amount of HI stimulus from funding a factory/steel mill at 150 resources per dice, would we need two dice or four dice?

Fun fact: Early in the quest we had less than 200 resource per half-year turn income. The Sevastopol Technical Equipment complex will, at optimistic minimum, require resources equivalent to a year and a half of the operating budget of Sergo's VSNKh. Likely more than two years'.