Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition
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[X] Plan ConGoods and Medicine
[X] Plan Overproduction is Honor!
If it were up to me we'd keep funding the space programs until people started writing Soviet versions of Whitey on the Moon. I think we're still in a good spot though, especially with those rocket rolls.
[X] Plan Overproduction is Honor!
If it were up to me we'd keep funding the space programs until people started writing Soviet versions of Whitey on the Moon. I think we're still in a good spot though, especially with those rocket rolls.
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[X] Plan CapGoods and Medicine with High Speed Rail
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You and I must have different reads on situation because you usually don't promise 150% increases in sectors of production that are fulfilling demand.
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State of the Seventh Five-Year Plan:
60% Increase in MFPG Production Value: Ahead of the Moving Target
20% Increase in Capital Goods Production Value: Slightly Behind the Moving Target
150% Increase in Consumer Goods Production Value: Slightly Ahead of the Moving Target
30% Increase in Agricultural Sector Production Value: Behind the Moving Target
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That's more to do with the CPSU having weird ideias about growth than anything else, and we did pick the most ambitious target we could have, we could have promised a lot less. Not to mention this is over a period of 7 years
Really 150% growth in a single sector over 7 years isn't that much for a rapidly growing economy. It's 14% per year.
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That's still huge in terms of people's actual lived experience, though.
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While I still think Plan CapGoods and Medicine with High Speed Rail is overall good, I increasingly don't like how it puts a department focus on Plastic Production. With four dice, it still has a 50% chance of completing without the focus, and since the price has gone down to am impressively low 55 resources per dice, if we get unlucky and it doesn't complete it is no severe cost to us to put one more die on it next turn. And I would rather put that bureaucracy die on a long-term useful reform like firing incompetents.
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Firing incompetents likely loses us a free dice and makes political enemies, which isn't ideal right now. Its best to do it when we get that extra dice from Moscow and are not under such scrutiny.
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The Kuzbas coal mines... on a whim I did some research about them, and boy are they a mess OTL.
Some cities are practically encircled by coal pits, centimeter-thick layers of coal dust cover houses, sometimes something catches fire and blows toxic fumes over housing... quite Mordor-ish. With plenty of corruption on top. With Mal and The Voz introducing increased safety and environmental measures it probably can't get that bad TTL, but it is a dark reminder of what the cost of digging up all our burn rock actually looks like.
I am increasingly convinced that the Nat 100 on gas pipelines late in Malenkov's term is the single most useful critical success we've experienced, because it unlocked natural gas power (and possibly district gas heating). Imagine if we had been stuck with Malenkov's autocoal for the past 8 turns. By turn 68 we would be using around 200 more coal compared to now and building stage 4 or even 5 of the Kuzbas, after rushing dice into canals and/or railroads to allow us to move all that coal without severe resource/turn debuffs. With our more profitable infra and HI projects having suffered at that expense. And there'd be all the smog on top of the direct cost to us.
Some cities are practically encircled by coal pits, centimeter-thick layers of coal dust cover houses, sometimes something catches fire and blows toxic fumes over housing... quite Mordor-ish. With plenty of corruption on top. With Mal and The Voz introducing increased safety and environmental measures it probably can't get that bad TTL, but it is a dark reminder of what the cost of digging up all our burn rock actually looks like.
I am increasingly convinced that the Nat 100 on gas pipelines late in Malenkov's term is the single most useful critical success we've experienced, because it unlocked natural gas power (and possibly district gas heating). Imagine if we had been stuck with Malenkov's autocoal for the past 8 turns. By turn 68 we would be using around 200 more coal compared to now and building stage 4 or even 5 of the Kuzbas, after rushing dice into canals and/or railroads to allow us to move all that coal without severe resource/turn debuffs. With our more profitable infra and HI projects having suffered at that expense. And there'd be all the smog on top of the direct cost to us.
Hm. OK, you have me worried now.
@dbRevned @Bharatavarsha @PotentialPlateau @HanEmpire
So, those of you voting for my plan, do you like the firing of people Voz finds incompetent, and if I replaced it with another bureaucracy option, which would you prefer? I lean towards building management cliques (yes, it's a dirty business, but Voz is unfortunately a politician as well as a technocrat, and we need to make sausage) but I'm not strongly attached to such a change. Maybe instead another dedicate focus? Or maybe equivocating on trade to built up political capital that way?
Regards,
fasquardon
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Vote Called for
Rolling 30
[X] Plan CapGoods and Medicine with High Speed Rail
-[X] Cancel MKAS and Hydrogen Engines
-[X]Infrastructure (7/5 Dice) 395 R
--[X]Moscow Renovation, 2 Dice (120 R)
--[X]Leningrad Renovation, 1 Dice (50 R)
--[X]Passenger Rail Network(Western SU), 1 Dice (75 R)
--[X]Civilian Airports(Stage 2), 2 Dice (100 R)
--[X]Unified Canal System(Step 1 of 3), 1 Dice (50 R)
-[X]Heavy Industry (7/8 Dice) 750 R
--[X]Severouralsk MMK(Stage 1), 2 Dice (150 R)
--[X]Coal Power Plants, 3 Dice (300 R)
--[X]Second Generation Precision Machinery, 2 Dice (300 R)
-[X]Rocketry (0/2 Dice, 0 R)
-[X]Light and Chemical Industry (8/8 Dice) 440 R
--[X]District Gas Heating(Stage 3), 1 Dice (60 R)
--[X]Plastic Production(Stage 5), 4 Dice (220 R)
--[X]Fertilizer Plants(Stage 4/5), 1 Dice (60 R)
--[X]Textile Industry Modernization(Stage 2), 2 Dice (100 R)
-[X]Agriculture (3/4 Dice) 160 R
--[X]Expanding Rural Production, 2 Dice (100 R)
--[X]Secondary Agricultural Production, 1 Dice (60 R)
-[X]Services (3/0 Dice) 160 R
--[X]Review of the Pharmaceutical Industry, 1 Dice (60 R)
--[X]GOST Medical Standards, 2 Dice (100 R)
-[X]Bureaucracy (5/5 Dice) 0 R
--[X]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(Coal Power Plants), 1 Dice
--[X]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(Second Generation Precision Machinery), 1 Dice
--[X]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(Plastic Production), 1 Dice
--[X]Encourage CMEA HSR, 1 Dice
--[X]Push Towards Trade Agreements, 1 Dice
-[X]Total Cost: 1905/1910 Resources (5 Reserve), 30 Dice Rolled
-[X] Cancel MKAS and Hydrogen Engines
-[X]Infrastructure (7/5 Dice) 395 R
--[X]Moscow Renovation, 2 Dice (120 R)
--[X]Leningrad Renovation, 1 Dice (50 R)
--[X]Passenger Rail Network(Western SU), 1 Dice (75 R)
--[X]Civilian Airports(Stage 2), 2 Dice (100 R)
--[X]Unified Canal System(Step 1 of 3), 1 Dice (50 R)
-[X]Heavy Industry (7/8 Dice) 750 R
--[X]Severouralsk MMK(Stage 1), 2 Dice (150 R)
--[X]Coal Power Plants, 3 Dice (300 R)
--[X]Second Generation Precision Machinery, 2 Dice (300 R)
-[X]Rocketry (0/2 Dice, 0 R)
-[X]Light and Chemical Industry (8/8 Dice) 440 R
--[X]District Gas Heating(Stage 3), 1 Dice (60 R)
--[X]Plastic Production(Stage 5), 4 Dice (220 R)
--[X]Fertilizer Plants(Stage 4/5), 1 Dice (60 R)
--[X]Textile Industry Modernization(Stage 2), 2 Dice (100 R)
-[X]Agriculture (3/4 Dice) 160 R
--[X]Expanding Rural Production, 2 Dice (100 R)
--[X]Secondary Agricultural Production, 1 Dice (60 R)
-[X]Services (3/0 Dice) 160 R
--[X]Review of the Pharmaceutical Industry, 1 Dice (60 R)
--[X]GOST Medical Standards, 2 Dice (100 R)
-[X]Bureaucracy (5/5 Dice) 0 R
--[X]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(Coal Power Plants), 1 Dice
--[X]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(Second Generation Precision Machinery), 1 Dice
--[X]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(Plastic Production), 1 Dice
--[X]Encourage CMEA HSR, 1 Dice
--[X]Push Towards Trade Agreements, 1 Dice
-[X]Total Cost: 1905/1910 Resources (5 Reserve), 30 Dice Rolled
Rolling 30
Infrastructure
Moscow Renovation: 141/500
Leningrad Renovation: 387/400, complete with +15 omake
Passenger Rail Network(Western SU): 1780/2250 (+48 progress)
Civilian Airports(Stage 2): 135/200
Unified Canal System(Step 1 of 3): 153/100
Heavy Industry
Severouralsk MMK(Stage 1): 182/150
Coal Power Plants: 297/200
Second Generation Precision Machinery: 213/150
Light and Chemical Industry
District Gas Heating(Stage 3): 165/150
Plastic Production(Stage 5): 415/380
Fertilizer Plants(Stage 4/5): 632/560
Textile Industry Modernization(Stage 2): 167/200
Agriculture
Expanding Rural Production: 262/250
Secondary Agricultural Production: 315/300
Services
Review of the Pharmaceutical Industry: 80/100
GOST Medical Standards: 205/150, nat 100
Bureaucracy
Encourage CMEA HSR: 80
Push Towards Trade Agreements: 29
Moscow Renovation: 141/500
Leningrad Renovation: 387/400, complete with +15 omake
Passenger Rail Network(Western SU): 1780/2250 (+48 progress)
Civilian Airports(Stage 2): 135/200
Unified Canal System(Step 1 of 3): 153/100
Heavy Industry
Severouralsk MMK(Stage 1): 182/150
Coal Power Plants: 297/200
Second Generation Precision Machinery: 213/150
Light and Chemical Industry
District Gas Heating(Stage 3): 165/150
Plastic Production(Stage 5): 415/380
Fertilizer Plants(Stage 4/5): 632/560
Textile Industry Modernization(Stage 2): 167/200
Agriculture
Expanding Rural Production: 262/250
Secondary Agricultural Production: 315/300
Services
Review of the Pharmaceutical Industry: 80/100
GOST Medical Standards: 205/150, nat 100
Bureaucracy
Encourage CMEA HSR: 80
Push Towards Trade Agreements: 29
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Assuming our internal politics dice follow the same order as last turn, we got the following rolls for each faction.
- Podgorny: 20
- Aristov: 67
- Kosygin: 77
- Vozsnesensky: 87
- Shepilov: 97
- Saburov: 82
- Kleschev: 37
Shepilov and Voz had a really good turn, whilst Aristov seems to have rallied a bit, though am not sure if this will stave off his fall from power. Kosygin did pretty well, as did Saburov whilst Kleschev and Podgorny did poorly.
- Podgorny: 20
- Aristov: 67
- Kosygin: 77
- Vozsnesensky: 87
- Shepilov: 97
- Saburov: 82
- Kleschev: 37
Shepilov and Voz had a really good turn, whilst Aristov seems to have rallied a bit, though am not sure if this will stave off his fall from power. Kosygin did pretty well, as did Saburov whilst Kleschev and Podgorny did poorly.
Seems like a good overall roll turn. Glad to see the nat 100, and if it does go to GOST medical standards, I wonder how that will shake out.
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My bet is we discover Thalidomide's effects and that leads to heightened standards in the Industry. Its right about time when it was banned irl
Oof, that was closer than hoped on electricity. We should be fine though (unless we get unlucky on our CIs).
Got the same results for my count.
Dice average: 47.233333333333334
Moscow Renovation 0+(2*34)+51+22=141/500
Leningrad Renovation 342+(1*34)+11=387/400 (omake?)(77.00%/92.00%)
Passenger Rail Network(Western SU) 1732+(1*34)+14=1780/2250
Civilian Airports(Stage 2) 0+(2*34)+10+57=135/200(24.15%/35.70%)
Unified Canal System(Step 1 of 3) 51+(1*34)+68=153/100(86.00%/100.00%)
Severouralsk MMK(Stage 1) 0+(2*39)+60+44=182/150(75.15%/84.60%)
Coal Power Plants 0+(3*49)+29+24+97=297/200(97.79%/99.22%)
Second Generation Precision Machinery 0+(2*49)+38+77=213/150(87.25%/93.70%)
District Gas Heating(Stage 3) 122+(1*34)+9=165/150(100.00%/100.00%)
Plastic Production(Stage 5) 38+(4*44)+87+6+9+99=415/380(72.94%/80.66%)
Fertilizer Plants(Stage 4/5) 512+(1*34)+86=632/560(87.00%/100.00%)
Textile Industry Modernization(Stage 2) 3+(2*34)+77+19=167/200(26.28%/38.28%)
Expanding Rural Production 93+(2*34)+51+50=262/250(61.72%/73.72%)
Secondary Agricultural Production 239+(1*34)+40=313/300(74.00%/89.00%)
Review of the Pharmaceutical Industry 0+(1*34)+46=80/100(35.00%/50.00%)
GOST Medical Standards 0+(2*34)+37+100=205/150 (Nat 100)(67.60%/78.55%)
Encourage CMEA HSR (1*5)+75=80
Push Towards Trade Agreements (1*5)+24=29
Moscow Renovation 0+(2*34)+51+22=141/500
Leningrad Renovation 342+(1*34)+11=387/400 (omake?)(77.00%/92.00%)
Passenger Rail Network(Western SU) 1732+(1*34)+14=1780/2250
Civilian Airports(Stage 2) 0+(2*34)+10+57=135/200(24.15%/35.70%)
Unified Canal System(Step 1 of 3) 51+(1*34)+68=153/100(86.00%/100.00%)
Severouralsk MMK(Stage 1) 0+(2*39)+60+44=182/150(75.15%/84.60%)
Coal Power Plants 0+(3*49)+29+24+97=297/200(97.79%/99.22%)
Second Generation Precision Machinery 0+(2*49)+38+77=213/150(87.25%/93.70%)
District Gas Heating(Stage 3) 122+(1*34)+9=165/150(100.00%/100.00%)
Plastic Production(Stage 5) 38+(4*44)+87+6+9+99=415/380(72.94%/80.66%)
Fertilizer Plants(Stage 4/5) 512+(1*34)+86=632/560(87.00%/100.00%)
Textile Industry Modernization(Stage 2) 3+(2*34)+77+19=167/200(26.28%/38.28%)
Expanding Rural Production 93+(2*34)+51+50=262/250(61.72%/73.72%)
Secondary Agricultural Production 239+(1*34)+40=313/300(74.00%/89.00%)
Review of the Pharmaceutical Industry 0+(1*34)+46=80/100(35.00%/50.00%)
GOST Medical Standards 0+(2*34)+37+100=205/150 (Nat 100)(67.60%/78.55%)
Encourage CMEA HSR (1*5)+75=80
Push Towards Trade Agreements (1*5)+24=29
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- Italy
mh... maybe we should just do a bigger push next turn and just finish this. It has been dragging along for quite some time, and we should be able to spare the dice next turn
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- Mid-Atlantic
Well, there's a strong incentive to not completely abandon the Moscow renovations now that they're started, for the same reason as with Leningrad. So there's at most 3-4 Infrastructure dice to play with next turn. Expectation value of rolling three dice would be a little over 250 points, which would bring the project up to around 2000-2050 out of 2250. A fourth die, and you've got something more like 2075-2150-ish.
I don't think it'd be worth spending Free dice to slam this out.
That plus we don't have enough trains for the full network for a few years yet if I remember correctly, so there is no need to rush.
Informational: A Report on the Allocation of Ministry Funds During the Great Patriotic War
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A Report on the Allocation of Ministry Funds During the Great Patriotic War
- Chart Detailing Expenditures During the Great Patriotic War
Authored by Nikolai Voznesensky
Published January 2nd 1945
With the war coming to its inevitable conclusion, an accounting of expenses incurred throught it is warranted. The toil of the Soviet worker has allowed us to defeat the Hitlerites and shall now rebuild our devastated industry.
Naturally, military procurement was a priority during those years, with 37.38% of the budget used in projects that directly supported the war effort. The build-up of capabilities in this sector has also served us well in advancing the technical base of our military, ensuring that we maintain parity with the other military powers and maintaining security in the now occupied areas of Europe.
Second to it was the development of our heavy industry, with a particular focus on the support of our military industry. Of note was the consistent investment in the increase of power production, aided by the lend-lease program, allowing for a truly massive amount of aluminium to be used in the assembly of airframes. There was also a great effort in securing enough coal and steel to divert to the arms industry, as well as the construction of several aggregate plants. With the end of the war in Europe, work in Gorky has also resumed, so that the supply of capital goods for the reconstruction our greatly damaged and outdated industrial base shall start as soon as possible.
As in previous years, our light and chemical industry has received third priority in the Ministry's budget. Though as with heavy industry, a significant part of its efforts were directed towards the needs of the military. Nonetheless, a good part of it has been put to good use in the general economy, with the expansion of logging and the increased production of rubber, plastic and glass proving of significance in that regard. The further exploitation of our oil deposits and the expansion of refining associated with it have also been a great boon to both the military and our economy in general. The most noteworthy effort in this sector, however, was the development of novel pigments, which has proven bounteous to the Union, attracting interest in foreign markets and thusly enabling a most useful inflow of foreign currency that can be used to stabilize our currency and pay debts incurred during the war.
With the devastation wrought upon us at the start of the war, a dedicated effort towards mitigating the ravages of war was initiated, despite a decrease in funds assigned to the infrastructural sector. In the very first months of it, a decisive effort to house those displaced by the Hitlerite onslaught was initiated, to great effect. The standardization and pre-fabrication pioneered by the efforts in emergency housing have served us well in sheltering refugees and even allowing those housed in older buildings to move to a more modern abode with considerable savings. Coupled to this, efforts were made to improve transport within cities, with buses, trolley and even metro systems being worked on to allow for greater worker efficiency. Another effort of note in this sector was the start of process of converting the gauges of rail networks in Europe to conform to our standards at the end of the war, easing movement to the front as well as allowing the future flow of goods between the future borders to be increased.
Finally, the Agricultural and Service Sectors received the least funding during the allotted period, though expenditure generally exceeded that of previous Five Year Plans. The mechanization of agriculture has proceeded, despite wartime difficulties, which along with the expansion of cultivated land in previously under-developed areas and the restoration of war ravaged territory have ensured that the workers of the Union have remained fed despite the Hitlerite advance. During the war, significant effort was also put into ensuring a steady stream of qualified medical personnel could serve the Union in the front and in rear-areas through the expansion of medical schools, which has also served as a base for the expansion of our healthcare system following the decision to integrate veteran care into more general health programs. Aside from this, the expansion of more conventional schooling and polytechnic education has continued, providing a steady stream of qualified and class-conscious workers to participate in the development of productive forces.
We've been told, in the discord at least, that rushing projects out makes them more expensive. We need to hold our nerve and not rush.