Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition

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Also, I expect narratively this thing has been churning so long that it's timetabled to hell and back. A sudden surge of funding might throw off the years of planning and logistics that have been built around it. The admins running the show know their job really well. They get x amount of supplies every month and know exactly how far those go and have planned everything around them. Throwing a bunch of extra supplies would throw them off their groove.
 
We've been told, in the discord at least, that rushing projects out makes them more expensive. We need to hold our nerve and not rush.
Outside of penalties for extreme rushes, isn't that just a consequence of how the system works for projects that don't have overflow? If we overkill the project, that surplus progress vanishes into the ether making the project effectively more expensive. The counterpoint to that is that many projects, including the HSR to a degree, don't get the full benefits until we actually finish them.
 
It's not 1930 anymore, our bureaucrats are capable of planning more than 6 months ahead. If we allocate a whole bunch of funding to the rail network at once, that no longer results in 20 NKPS labor battalions being deployed to shock labor ten thousand kilometers into existence overnight, it just results in the project managers working as fast as they reasonably can and then setting aside the rest of their allocated funding for next month. For giant multi-hundred to thousand point infra projects we can definitely just throw a big pile of money at them and then let it complete at its own pace, like the Leningrad and Moscow renovations are going to take years to actually complete in the background now even though we funded them over just a few turns. If we did the same with HSR or one of the large road projects etc. we'd be fine, arguably better even if the managers know they already have their entire project's funding secured so they can just do things optimally instead of hoping the next turn's check comes through every 6 months.
 
blackstar actually said something contrary to that on discord recently
@Nevis I was there too actually. the argument went along the lines of "for really high tech projects slow progress means you have time to adapt to new technological developments. for mature technologies like the railway it would just accelerate it".

and yeah, also the bit about how we no longer send people to die in the winter from overwork
 
We did roll high on the CMEA high speed rail integration, so there'll be a lot of enthusiasm for it. So it might be worth showing some enthusiasm of our own by going from 1 to 2 dice.

Trade agreement rolled poor, we'll probably get something mediocre. Oh well, I wasn't banking on that one being a big deal. but yeah, overall a good turn despite the dice average being a little low. I wonder what insanity we'll get for stage 2 of the canal system.
 
We've been told, in the discord at least, that rushing projects out makes them more expensive. We need to hold our nerve and not rush.
We've recently been told the exact opposite, in fact.
Discord said:
> Blackstar
Your generally better
With a mixed policy
If something is an important tech
Then drip feed it
If something is a big project
Fund it organize it
And knock it out
Your not going to get better
At building a haber unit or a road

> RHIES
or water?

> Blackstar
Stop splitting attention where it's not needed
Yes
Your not going to revolutionize water pumping
Knock it out and let it coast
You'll loose more to insufficient funding/weird breakpoints/tendency to leave incomplete
The you will
From pushing
Your not in the Stalinists era
You can devolve ongoing projects
Once funded and organized

> notgreat
Ok, so innovative projects must be drip-fed at 1 dice, everything non-innovative should be rushed? That's kinda the exact opposite of what we've been doing, lol.

>Blackstar
Doesn't help that technical work is organizationally cheap
But expensive
While massive infra
Is the opposite

> RHIES
in that case before
we get started on roads or water or something
we should get the Passenger Rail Network(Western SU) done
instead of drip feeding it one dice
> HanEmpire
that project must be quite the meme for how slow it's being done

> Blackstar
It did sorta help with a constant pressure
But you have a network built over a decade
And tech disparities
 
We've recently been told the exact opposite, in fact.
Thanks for the quote.

OK that mention of "tech disparities" from building out the network over a decade does sound worrying. It'll make shuffling employees around the system complicated, if nothing else. That said I am rather worried by the suggestion that high-tech projects should be drip fed. We've generally done the opposite- when some tech was 150-175 progress we slapped two dice on it to knock it out in one go. I hope our hybrid packaging and machinery was not too messed up by that.

Also ASU sounds high-tech, but it's also a chonky 400 scope project. And I am worried about the aforementioned "tech disparities" issue if we slow roll it.
 
Thanks for the quote.

OK that mention of "tech disparities" from building out the network over a decade does sound worrying. It'll make shuffling employees around the system complicated, if nothing else. That said I am rather worried by the suggestion that high-tech projects should be drip fed. We've generally done the opposite- when some tech was 150-175 progress we slapped two dice on it to knock it out in one go. I hope our hybrid packaging and machinery was not too messed up by that.

Also ASU sounds high-tech, but it's also a chonky 400 scope project. And I am worried about the aforementioned "tech disparities" issue if we slow roll it.
From what I remember, the consequence for hybrid packaging was that were going to get the new computers later than with drip feeding. If we had put at least one dice a turn earlier than we did the research and progress could have started earlier meaning, we could have gotten the new tech sooner than waiting a turn to feed it two dice since that's one extra turn where it had to wait for funding in other to start researching and making progress on the new tech.
 
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Got lots of overflow on that coal power plant. Probably we won't need to use it, with hydro ramping up and the big ticket items done, but you can never be sure. Especially if we decide we need to do another stage of Severouralsk.

Speaking of power, next plan will be interesting. We'll unlock a couple of cool things: Nuclear power, and unconventional large dams. The problem is that they will have lead times: Nuclear is 4 or 5 years as has been mentioned, while those dams are so bloody large that their reservoirs will probably not fill up until the 9th plan. (The biggest conventional dams last plan were scheduled to finish in about 4 years, and the stuff we'll unlock for the 8th plan is undoubtedly larger!) So we'll functionally be building almost two plans worth of power at the same time. I really hope we'll unlock a third level of autogas for the 8th plan, because otherwise without low-hanging hydro we will need a lot of the Burn Rock.
 
there's also the problem that nuclear will be FAR more expensive than autogas, autohydro and coal, especially if we scale it up a lot.
 
I think we still need extra power to replace the old/outdated plants or if they've naturally been replaced already. We wanted 3 power plants' worth of spare electricity to do that, though IIRC some of it has already happened due to the old plants wearing down.

Also, Nuclear will have a long (5-year?) lead time, so we'll almost certainly need another coal plant or two by the end of next plan.
 
I think we still need extra power to replace the old/outdated plants or if they've naturally been replaced already. We wanted 3 power plants' worth of spare electricity to do that, though IIRC some of it has already happened due to the old plants wearing down.
Ah yes, that 250-ish electricity worth of pre-GreatGork smog-belching coal power plants that we've been promising to replace since 1955 at least. When it was briefly a discrete action on Malenkov's docket it was like 1100 progress, but by now we'd get that much power from about 800 progress's worth of coal....

Yeah that's not happening any time soon. Maybe if we take a HI focus next plan... Hahaha no. I hope you're right that some replacement has happened naturally behind the scenes.

Anyways what's the general consensus if any on further hydropower? The super-dams we'll unlock for the 8th plan probably give us substantially cheaper carbon-free power than nuclear (albeit with likely similar lead time), but they might do unfun things to the local ecosystem and perhaps native inhabitants as large hydropower projects tend to do. I'm inclined to push forwards for the memes and numbers go up. Big infrastructure projects not attempted in OTL are cool.
 
Yeah. I think that if we needed a phase of coal plants, like needed, it's probably a sign that we need to finish a second phase to have some actual wiggle room.
 
Anyways what's the general consensus if any on further hydropower? The super-dams we'll unlock for the 8th plan probably give us substantially cheaper carbon-free power than nuclear (albeit with likely similar lead time), but they might do unfun things to the local ecosystem and perhaps native inhabitants as large hydropower projects tend to do. I'm inclined to push forwards for the memes and numbers go up. Big infrastructure projects not attempted in OTL are cool.
A few of the super dam projects might also just have been really challenging to do, like deep in the mountains with poor infra and with other challenging engineering issues to them. Dragging power from really far away towards the heartlands also has some pretty substantial losses to them unless one manages to run some awfully high voltage lines.

So who knows, maybe there are a few interesting projects there still.
 
Why not throw a die at the coal plants next half-year? On the chance that they finish and we get more electricity on the cheap for immediate future.

A few of the super dam projects might also just have been really challenging to do, like deep in the mountains with poor infra and with other challenging engineering issues to them. Dragging power from really far away towards the heartlands also has some pretty substantial losses to them unless one manages to run some awfully high voltage lines.

So who knows, maybe there are a few interesting projects there still.

We can just build power-hungry facilities on the spot, no? Seeing as we need a lot of copper/aluminum/steel/whatever, and thus more facilities to produce that, another planned city wouldn't be a bad choice.

As a bonus, we can throw our urban planners a bone, with a clean-sheet city that could integrate stuff like metros from the start instead of having to painfully retrofit them in later.
 
What about expanding our power network to CMEA so we can do imports and exports? That could get us some wiggle room, and let us make some cash off our electricity when we have a surplus. :/
 
Why not throw a die at the coal plants next half-year? On the chance that they finish and we get more electricity on the cheap for immediate future.
That's what I'm supporting. Just slow-walk that one project, trickle-feeding it dice because hell, coal is cheap and we know where to find more if we need it, and we always always need the Electricity.

We can just build power-hungry facilities on the spot, no? Seeing as we need a lot of copper/aluminum/steel/whatever, and thus more facilities to produce that, another planned city wouldn't be a bad choice.
You can do that but it's a big pain in the ass compared to just being able to plunk down the power plant in a place that makes economic sense to put the city and the factories it powers.

What about expanding our power network to CMEA so we can do imports and exports? That could get us some wiggle room, and let us make some cash off our electricity when we have a surplus. :/
Given that we're trying to keep the USSR as the industrial hub of the CMEA, I suspect most of those countries won't have much spare electricity to sell us. And just getting to a decent surplus and staying there would be hard for us.
 
You can do that but it's a big pain in the ass compared to just being able to plunk down the power plant in a place that makes economic sense to put the city and the factories it powers.

Well, for coal/gas/oil/nuclear you're right, but if we go for hydropower overwhelming, suitable sites would be rather distant from existent industrial centers.
And seeing as we need a lot of electricity to get sufficient production of non-ferrous metals going, plopping down an entire city around the world's biggest metallurgical facility could be worthwhile, if local electricity is cheap enough.
 
We need to do max power (including nukes) to run the income generators to fund the max power.

The grind never stops!

Yes it'll be interesting when we get to the point where we have a grid hooked up to CMEA and SEA. I mean we're already exporting energy via oil and gas, but doing it over wires is real Superpower hours.
 
Informational: A Report on the Allocation of Ministry Funds During the 4th Five Year Plan

A Report on the Allocation of Ministry Funds During the 4th Five Year Plan

Chart Detailing Expenditures During the Reconstruction Plan
InfrastructureHeavy IndustryLCIAgricultureServicesMilitary
1945H1
17,65%​
34,56%​
19,12%​
8,82%​
12,50%​
7,35%​
1945H2
29,46%​
26,36%​
23,26%​
9,30%​
5,43%​
6,20%​
1946H1
35,63%​
25,10%​
19,03%​
2,43%​
12,96%​
4,86%​
1946H2
24,11%​
28,37%​
10,64%​
8,51%​
7,09%​
21,28%​
1947H1
28,18%​
27,49%​
20,27%​
11,00%​
9,62%​
3,44%​
1947H2
28,26%​
34,78%​
19,57%​
9,42%​
7,97%​
0,00%​
1948H1
28,86%​
29,53%​
20,13%​
13,42%​
8,05%​
0,00%​
1948H2
29,29%​
28,57%​
18,57%​
11,43%​
12,14%​
0,00%​
1949H1
42,55%​
31,21%​
14,89%​
2,84%​
8,51%​
0,00%​
1949H2
38,85%​
30,22%​
15,83%​
0,00%​
15,11%​
0,00%​
TOTAL
30,25%​
29,67%​
18,09%​
7,81%​
9,91%​
4,27%​


Authored by Nikolai Voznesensky, Deputy Minister of the MNKh
Published January 4th 1950


As the war came to its conclusion, the monumental task of reconstruction fell upon the Ministry. Despite doubts expressed by luminaries in the Party advocating for intensification in the industrial sector, a softer set of goals was set accounting for the devastation wrought upon our economy and the need for the build up of other sectors and projects that would not directly translate to an increase in the output of tangible goods. We have, however, achieved those goals we set out for ourselves in full, vindicating the direction chosen for the development of the Soviet economy and appeasing those who had doubts with a general decrease in spending, allowing for the Party to pursue other projects and the civilian sector to catch up.

With the ambitious promise to re-gauge the entire Eastern and Central European rail networks to Soviet standard, as well as the modernization of our own domestic rail system, expansion of housing to accommodate the drastic drawdown of mobilized personnel, construction of dams to power our industry and the modernization and expansion of water systems, this plan has bucked the trend and has had Infrastructure be the most funded sector in the plan, narrowly overtaking heavy industry in importance with around 30.25% of all funds allocated to it. Much work has been done in improving the infrastructure of our nation, increasing throughput, improving health and ensuring that the Red Army can swiftly respond to threats in the West, despite the unfortunate setbacks with the ambitious DC linkage project and the tragedies in Chirkey and Ashgabat.

The development of Heavy Industry has, as with other plans, been unfortunately superseded in priority by other sectors. It has, nonetheless, received comparable levels of funding to infrastructure, allowing us to do some important progress. Of note, has been the massive increase in mining of gold, which has allowed us to pay back war debts in as favourable a regime as possible, and though attrition in the early stages of this project has been an unfortunate, it has been mitigated by a steady supply of prisoners of war. We have also continued with the development of planned cities, with Stolyenskoye, Novokuznetsk and Zlatoust providing an important base for our industrial development, fuelled by an ever increasing amount of power plants.

With the end of the war allowing for a transfer of funds from military programs, and the setting of ambitious goals for the production of consumer goods, the Light Industrial and Chemical sector has performed well. Advancements in the field of pesticides and the expansion of fertilizer production have greatly increased agricultural yields, and the former has allowed us to decisively strike against malaria. The transfer of pharmaceutical enterprises as reparations and increased exports of novel pigments have also provided much needed funds for the union, and the production of textiles, plastics and other products has greatly expanded access to consumer goods for the general population.

With the demobilization of the Red Army following the end of the conflict, the Service sector has suddenly shot up in importance, and as such, funding has increased accordingly. It has provided us with an important labor sink for demobilized men, ensuring that those who could not be employed in the industrial or agricultural sectors could at least be educated in the numerous new polytechical institutes in order to better serve the Union in the future. We have also made important strides in healthcare, with the licensing and development of vaccines greatly reducing the impact of disease in the economy. No less important was the creation of closed cities in order to take advantage of the technical and intellectual expertise of those who served our enemies during the war.

Funding allotted to the Agricultural sector has followed that of wartime spending, with the restoration of the war ravaged countryside in the Ukraine and Belarus SSRs finally being completed, allowing us to focus on more conventional industrial development. Furthermore, with advancements in pesticide production, the incidence of malaria has been steadily eradicated from the Union, decreasing fatalities and wasted man hours on recovery, as well as allowing for the expansion of cultivated land to previously infested areas.

With the transfer of the responsibility of dealing with Military Procurement to the Minister of Defense in the middle of the plan, as well as the end of the war, the military received the least amount of funding from the Ministry. Despite that, we have managed to make important advances in the field of aviation whilst it was under our purview, with the entirely indigenous Lyulka jet engine having the potential to completely revolutionize air combat, and allowing us to match the West in the development of air frames.
 
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