Sure, there might be less radioactive ash of them left then there will be of us. If we discount nukes, then we conquer France and pretty much stalemate.
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Speaking of radiation, I've been watching chernobyl, something similar is going to happen in this game, I mean like an accident.
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This was asked a almost a year ago actually, and the answer to that question is if it happens in the 60s we lose the Western half of our country (the most important part, with the major political, industrial and population centers) and probably collapse in some form. If we don't collapse, the new capital would be Novosibirsk. The US infrastructural basis would be absolutely wrecked, which I am guessing would mean a total collapse, and Europe would be written off, with India/China/Brazil becoming the new world powers. So we wouldn't so much as beat the US, but potentially suffer a bit less than them.
It was said a while ago as well, though I can't find the exact quote for that, that we would maybe be able to play as the ministry post an exchange, but only if it happened in a certain timeframe. If it was in the 70s or 80s it wouldn't even be an option.
There was also a canon omake made of a warplan for a pre-emptive strike on the Americans, and the projected losses inflicted and suffered in such a scenario which you might find pertinent to your question
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With Blackstar's approval... The Golden Giant's Moment The realization that the Soviet Union had gained a potentially decisive lead over the United States first dawned on the STAVKA during the spring of 1958, following a summary review drawing upon intelligence from the Open Skies overflights...
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Very very unlikely. Plans have supported funding safer nuclear reactor designs than the ones at Chernobyl at a larger cost. Additionally measures have been taken to promote a far less corrupt, obfuscated and by consequence safer work ethic across the Union. You might get a Fukishima or Three Mile comparable incident, but a Chernobyl incident at this stage would require Blackstar to roll successive nat 1s across mutiple turns for your nuclear dev efforts.
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I promise we're definitely going to have multiple nuclear accidents over the next couple decades, it's just unavoidable when working with sufficiently large amounts of energy in sufficiently small packages. We're also going to have a chemical plant or two explode, some mines collapse and kill people, etc., this shit just happens when you do enough heavy industry of any flavor.
We can at least take solace in it probably not being Chernobyl-levels of contaminating because of different reactor design philosophies and (we hope) a better institutional culture, but something's definitely gonna leak at some point.
We can at least take solace in it probably not being Chernobyl-levels of contaminating because of different reactor design philosophies and (we hope) a better institutional culture, but something's definitely gonna leak at some point.
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Just read this from reddit:
en.wikipedia.org
Do we need to invest some fund toward our comrade Indonesia's coffee and rubber plantation? As Vietnam's highland is currently under capitalist control.
East German coffee crisis - Wikipedia
Do we need to invest some fund toward our comrade Indonesia's coffee and rubber plantation? As Vietnam's highland is currently under capitalist control.
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Is that a prediction or a question?
A question
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You need to start using more letters and words to communicate more clearly.
It is not under our purview we are internal investment if the SupSov wants to do anything in foreign countries it will be through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs so while the SupSov might want to do it we won't do it.
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This was asked a almost a year ago actually, and the answer to that question is if it happens in the 60s we lose the Western half of our country (the most important part, with the major political, industrial and population centers) and probably collapse in some form. If we don't collapse, the new capital would be Novosibirsk. The US infrastructural basis would be absolutely wrecked, which I am guessing would mean a total collapse, and Europe would be written off, with India/China/Brazil becoming the new world powers. So we wouldn't so much as beat the US, but potentially suffer a bit less than them.
It was said a while ago as well, though I can't find the exact quote for that, that we would maybe be able to play as the ministry post an exchange, but only if it happened in a certain timeframe. If it was in the 70s or 80s it wouldn't even be an option.
There was also a canon omake made of a warplan for a pre-emptive strike on the Americans, and the projected losses inflicted and suffered in such a scenario which you might find pertinent to your question
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition Alt. History - Users' Choice!
With Blackstar's approval... The Golden Giant's Moment The realization that the Soviet Union had gained a potentially decisive lead over the United States first dawned on the STAVKA during the spring of 1958, following a summary review drawing upon intelligence from the Open Skies overflights...
Worth noting that warplan was obsoleted within months as the US didn't sit still in response to the ATL missile gap. As of the latest update, they probably already have around a 100 ICBMs and a couple of George Washingtons, which completely evens the playing field.
The USA,Britain and other users of reactors have had hundreds or even thousands of minor incidents that have been forgotten, and hell there has been radioactive accidents all over the world in countries that don't have reactors because radioactive stuff is very useful for research and medicine and commercial uses, like India had a radioactive scare that killed a few people horribly because a scrap metal scavenger Savaged the radioactive parts from a xray or a cancer treatment machine can't remember exactly.
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Are you thinking about the Goiânia Incident?
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34rdxDgpaaA&ab_channel=WellThere%27sYourProblemPodcast
That was in Brazil.
Got my thoughts mixed up it seems then, still have a feeling that India had a radioactive scare about something?
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Is it this one?
The Mayapuri Radiological Incident
View: https://youtu.be/ODuNiA3TC1s
List of civilian radiation accidents
Bruh there's like 7 incident involving finding radiation sources while scrapping stuffs.
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"We conquer France and pretty much stalemate". Maybe we'll be able to implement German strategy of Blitz+submarine warfare well enough to force Britain to surrender, but I very much doubt it.
We can get all of mainland Europe easily enough. It's everything else that would be tricky.
Eh. With control of mainland Europe uncontested you can force Britain, if not cheaply or very quickly. With advances in aircraft, and soviet block presumably having sufficient supply of both aircraft and pilots, clearing the Channel of naval forces and doing a landing should be possible.
Not desirable, though, the butcher's bill would be horrific.
Not desirable, though, the butcher's bill would be horrific.
While a purely conventional war can be fun to briefly muse about, it ultimately isn't a realistic prospect in the end though. Especially as even in our timeline France developed its first nuke by 1960 and would probably have felt even more pressure to do so in this alternate time line.
So in reality any conflict would of course be nuclear.
Another thing to consider is, is that the strong USSR nearby already made West Europe in the original time line seriously consider federating together. That's probably going to be even more a thing here, even if they don't federate, they're probably more rapidly building up an EU like org then they did originally. Having fewer members more concerned about their borders would only help such a process. Which in the end probably just means that the war would be even more likely to be total and nuclear and victory would be ephemeral and perhaps more like trying to swallow a toxic pill.
I have a question do you think we will go into another cold war like otl as the decades go by and how do you think it will play out in this timeline?
Do you think it will become as cold as the 80's?
Do you think it will become as cold as the 80's?
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It really depends on leadership struggles on both sides, if say, Furtseva and a Reagan/Goldwater type ends up running our countries, I can see it. Right now, its more of a modern China/US relation, in that we do good business and anyone other than weird hardliners don't do much more than mouth noises.
The French and UK nuclear deterrents aren't nearly as potent as the US one though, simply down to smaller funding and being much closer and therefore targetable by Soviet air and rocket forces on short notice. A deterrent based on nuclear gravity bombers is pretty marginal ATM but that's essentially what France and the UK had OTL(the UK got US Thor missiles) until the early 70's.