Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition
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VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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[]Kliment Voroshilov: An old guard general focused on the continuation and modernization of the red army's current equipment. While unglamorous, the buildup would be along old lines and cost a relatively low amount of money. Some effort would be dedicated to new experimental programs, but the bulk of the cost would rapidly increase the army's size. As another side benefit, Voroshilov's political connections could be exploited to ensure a steady stream of support from up above. (+10 Party Influence)
[] 35% GNP: Through the re-direction of additional party funds towards the plan of industrialization and military production, it may be possible to far accelerate the pace of acceleration. This quantity is the maximum VSNKh economists believe can be utilized before major problems occur. (435 Resources per turn) (-15 Party Influence)
I think this combo is what we want if we still plan to go ham on super development growth rate as the first FYP. Party support and money are still our bottleneck.
[] 35% GNP: Through the re-direction of additional party funds towards the plan of industrialization and military production, it may be possible to far accelerate the pace of acceleration. This quantity is the maximum VSNKh economists believe can be utilized before major problems occur. (435 Resources per turn) (-15 Party Influence)
I think this combo is what we want if we still plan to go ham on super development growth rate as the first FYP. Party support and money are still our bottleneck.
A one-time cost of 15 PI to get an additional +50 resources/turn across the entire Plan will pay for itself in 2-3 turns by funding +PI options we've been consistently ignoring for budget reasons like the agricultural cooperativization projects, and then more than pay for itself by continuing to do so for the other 7 turns. We really need to take the 35% GNP option imo.
- Location
- The great frozen north
Tukhachevsky seems good, though I worry he'll also get purged as historical and render these efforts moot.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Fair. You right.
HanEmpire
Delicious
He likely will get purged. Stalin is super paranoid about the guy, and it doesn't help that a lot of higher up Red Army officers hate his guts too.
I prefer Shaposhnikov since he's the middle of the road option that doesn't veer off in any particular direction. He's adaptable.
We can stick Tukhachevsky in a closed city.
EDIT: I've just been informed that Tukhachevsky will die no matter what unless the conservative old guard is chosen. Tuk will have to die, Klim is total garbage and must not become the head of the Red Army.
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Cmd. Frost
The last one standing.
- Location
- The Summer Stretch
[]Aleksandr Vasilevsky
[] 35% GNP
Anything we build now is going to be obsolete by the time WW2 starts. So let's unfuck the leadership and build more industry. Build the tools to build the tools and all that.
[] 35% GNP
Anything we build now is going to be obsolete by the time WW2 starts. So let's unfuck the leadership and build more industry. Build the tools to build the tools and all that.
I like Shaposhnikov because the giant foundries you need to make artillery and the trucks you need to motorize logistics all have civilian uses on top of their military ones, but Vasilevsky's focus on leadership over equipment makes a lot of sense too. I worry he focuses a bit too much on infantry, but I can be convinced.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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BlackstarToday at 19:36 said:
On topic of purge said:
Shaposhnivok is the only one who mentions the L-Word, Holiest of the Battle Sacraments though
Nando
they, them
Hum, only one airforce option...I guess I'll go for Vasilevsky, since it's - aside from the old schooler - the only not-equipment-dependent option...
Also, @Blackstar can we have something like a "rumormill"? Like, what's the situation in the rest of the world, right now? At least in Germany, since there we did change things, compared to OTL. So, it would be nice to be able to take stuff like that into account...
Also, @Blackstar can we have something like a "rumormill"? Like, what's the situation in the rest of the world, right now? At least in Germany, since there we did change things, compared to OTL. So, it would be nice to be able to take stuff like that into account...
Given the size of Russia I think Logistics and Localized Leadership would decide matters, because there's no freaking way you could coordinate and supply anything without both.
I'm leaning logistics, because it won't matter much if your troops are making the best decisions, if they don't have the guns, food and winterwear they need.
I'm leaning logistics, because it won't matter much if your troops are making the best decisions, if they don't have the guns, food and winterwear they need.
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- The United States
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- She/Her
All will buildup the airforce, again none of these are fully head in the sand. The difference is the priority given at this part of the buildup/funding prioritization for this stage.
Also, I'll make a rumor mill/try to make one and see how it goes for the next turn.
HanEmpire
Delicious
Vasilevsky will improve the Red Army's leadership drastically, to the point that the Purge might not have much of an effect on the quality of leadership during the Great Patriotic War.
That said, he will require that we finish radio distribution projects before he gives us other military buildup projects:
That said, he will require that we finish radio distribution projects before he gives us other military buildup projects:
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The more I think about it the more I settle on Shaposhnikov for the logistical focus, even if the artillery pieces he wants go obsolete an obsolete gun still works way better than an obsolete tank, and the steel foundries used to cast the gun plus the trucks to move its shells don't go obsolete (not on a timescale short of decades anyways)
Shaposhnikov or Vasilevsky for me. Better logistics and general staff (assuming they don't get purged lol) are critical for an army of our size (especially sans famine) for obvious reasons and we still get a mechanized force to test doctrine. Vasilevsky's new model officer is nice, but the really, really important part is proliferation of radios. Mouli's WW2 France quest showed how powerful it was for the Germans and how much our lack of them was a pain in the ass for us: Radios enable the military to complete the OODA loop far faster than anyone else, act with far greater autonomy and separation than anyone else (opening up world of strategic options), and will help cut off units (say, from a German blitzkreig) remain in contact with command and organize effective resistance. I'd love to see those nazi bastards try their usual tricks only to massively overextend themselves tactically against forces that seemingly won't rout.
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Hrm good point, radios would be a massive gamechanger. I still worry that Vasilevsky focuses too much on infantry over mobile forces though, there's no reason we can't also build radios along side Shaposhnikov's artillery park we just need to invest the extra resources.
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Guilliman
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- Jakarta
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Shaposhnikov's key advantage is that he will allow the Soviets to blunt German attacks through the proliferation of artillery and he will also allow us to effectively exploit our strategic depth through the creation of the logistic arm. Vasilevsky is also an acceptable option, but the lagging equipment is also a big concern, we don't want to confront the Germans with obsolete equipment at all. At the very least we should have parity in equipment.
HanEmpire
Delicious
With 35% of the GNP, we'll be able to bull our way through the radio distribution program and get to the armaments projects early.
Guilliman
Lord Protector
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- Jakarta
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Indeed, I'd support both of them but Vasilevsky only with the provision that we take 35% of GDP
Nando
they, them
I'm not as technically versed as I'd need to be to answer this question: Will we have radio encryption for our forces in the field? I've got no idea how that works, but considering that the Enigma was such a big deal, I fear that secure communication will be difficult, when in the field...no?
(I'd still go for the option, just wanted to get this out.)
And, yeah, I'd assumed that airforce would be there in any case, but having a focus on it would've been nice...
(I'd still go for the option, just wanted to get this out.)
And, yeah, I'd assumed that airforce would be there in any case, but having a focus on it would've been nice...
Guilliman
Lord Protector
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- Jakarta
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It's probably below our level of abstraction? And in any case we are building polytechnics in which I assume that encryption will be discussed.