Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition
- Thread starter Blackstar
- Start date
- Alt. History Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Depending on how everything shakes out, maybe next turn? The extra resources would be a godsend of course, and theoretically we could try to run it more humanely than the NKVD? If somebody is going to be running a vast forced labor system it might as well be us. I'm not super motivated to go after it if the costs look too high, though.
- Location
- Earth, Milky Way
I'm having a hard time figuring out how we're doing, are we on track to meet our targets? Have we picked up some extras not specified in the plan?
Also, how does credit work for a possible German communist revolution? Did the NKVD (or some other organization) request resources to fund their activities such that it's an NKVD operation, or is it our operation? Do we even have the authority for that kind of operation, or is the concept of authority for this kind of thing murky?
Anyways, love the quest it's incredible.
Also, how does credit work for a possible German communist revolution? Did the NKVD (or some other organization) request resources to fund their activities such that it's an NKVD operation, or is it our operation? Do we even have the authority for that kind of operation, or is the concept of authority for this kind of thing murky?
Anyways, love the quest it's incredible.
This turn at least we cannot afford both Harsh Land Reform and the GULAG, it's one or the other. If we manage to get some Party Influence boosters finished this turn and next, though, we may be able to afford it next turn if the cost doesn't go up too much (putting us right back in the danger zone we just crawled out of but c'est la guerre).
dinomannitro6
all your gender is belong to us
- Location
- The Land Where The Sunflowers Bloom
[X] Plan you require more vespene gas but harsh land reform
-[X]Buildup of Rail Stock(Coal): (10 Resources per dice (0/200))
--[X] 3 Infrastructure die
-[X]Buildup of the Riverine Fleet: (10 Resources per dice (80/120))
--[X] 1 Infrastructure die
-[X]Magnitogorsk Planned City(Stage 1): (20 Resources per dice (0/150))
--[X] 1 Heavy Industry die + 1 Free die
-[X]Locomotive Plants:(10 Resources per dice (77/100))
--[X] 2 Heavy Industry die
-[X]Stalingrad Tractor Plant: (20 Resources per dice (0/150))
--[X] 1 Heavy Industry die + 1 Free die
-[X]Khazak Phosphate Mine Expansion: (10 Resources per dice (179/200))
--[X] 1 Heavy Industry die
-[X]Canning Plants: (10 Resources per dice (0/150))
--[X] 2 Light Industry die
-[X]Kazak Textile Mills:(5 Resources per dice (0/50))
--[X] 1 Light Industry die
-[X]Vladivostok Small Shipyards:(10 Resources per dice (0/40))
--[X] 1 Light Industry die
-[X]Book Printing Plants: (10 Resources per dice (0/40))
--[X] 1 Light Industry die
-[X]Creation of Central Mechanism Storages(Stage 1):(5 Party Influence upon completion, 20 Resources per dice (0/300))
--[X] 1 Agriculture dice
-[X]Education for the Farmers(Political): (10 Party Influence upon completion, 5 Resources per dice (0/100))
--[X] 2 Agriculture dice
-[X]Harsh Land Reform: (0/50), Mini-vote creating the new party line, stops collectivization)
--[X] 1 Agriculture dice
-[X]Creation of the State Hospital System(Stage 1): (10 Resources per dice (43/100))
--[X] 1 Service die
-[X]Expansion of the Schooling Programs(Stage 1): (5 Resources per dice (0/200))
--[X] 1 Service die
-[X]Expansion of Pioneer Programs: (10 Party Influence upon completion, 5 Resources per dice (0/100))
--[X] 2 Service die
-[X]Additional State Funding:
--[X] 2 Bureaucracy die + 2 Free die
255 resources used
hopefully 20 pi to counter the -30
Actually lets use our characters traits to change the collectivization policies.
-[X]Buildup of Rail Stock(Coal): (10 Resources per dice (0/200))
--[X] 3 Infrastructure die
-[X]Buildup of the Riverine Fleet: (10 Resources per dice (80/120))
--[X] 1 Infrastructure die
-[X]Magnitogorsk Planned City(Stage 1): (20 Resources per dice (0/150))
--[X] 1 Heavy Industry die + 1 Free die
-[X]Locomotive Plants:(10 Resources per dice (77/100))
--[X] 2 Heavy Industry die
-[X]Stalingrad Tractor Plant: (20 Resources per dice (0/150))
--[X] 1 Heavy Industry die + 1 Free die
-[X]Khazak Phosphate Mine Expansion: (10 Resources per dice (179/200))
--[X] 1 Heavy Industry die
-[X]Canning Plants: (10 Resources per dice (0/150))
--[X] 2 Light Industry die
-[X]Kazak Textile Mills:(5 Resources per dice (0/50))
--[X] 1 Light Industry die
-[X]Vladivostok Small Shipyards:(10 Resources per dice (0/40))
--[X] 1 Light Industry die
-[X]Book Printing Plants: (10 Resources per dice (0/40))
--[X] 1 Light Industry die
-[X]Creation of Central Mechanism Storages(Stage 1):(5 Party Influence upon completion, 20 Resources per dice (0/300))
--[X] 1 Agriculture dice
-[X]Education for the Farmers(Political): (10 Party Influence upon completion, 5 Resources per dice (0/100))
--[X] 2 Agriculture dice
-[X]Harsh Land Reform: (0/50), Mini-vote creating the new party line, stops collectivization)
--[X] 1 Agriculture dice
-[X]Creation of the State Hospital System(Stage 1): (10 Resources per dice (43/100))
--[X] 1 Service die
-[X]Expansion of the Schooling Programs(Stage 1): (5 Resources per dice (0/200))
--[X] 1 Service die
-[X]Expansion of Pioneer Programs: (10 Party Influence upon completion, 5 Resources per dice (0/100))
--[X] 2 Service die
-[X]Additional State Funding:
--[X] 2 Bureaucracy die + 2 Free die
255 resources used
hopefully 20 pi to counter the -30
Actually lets use our characters traits to change the collectivization policies.
[X]Plan Slow Your Roll, Koba
- Location
- New England, State of Confusion
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X]Plan Slow Your Roll, Koba
HanEmpire
Delicious
From Discord:
150% Increases in MFPG
175% Increases in Capital Goods
120% Increases in Consumer Goods
stabilization of the food situation
We have the fuel and the power but not the steel.
We have achieved 175% increase in Capital Goods production.
We have not increased Consumer Goods production at all.
We have the food in absolute amounts but not in distribution.
Conclusion:
We need Steel and Trains ASAP.
We need Textiles and maybe Books.
We should complete the Riverine Fleets too.
We have two years to complete this.
Our 5 Year Plan goals are:
150% Increases in MFPG
175% Increases in Capital Goods
120% Increases in Consumer Goods
stabilization of the food situation
We have the fuel and the power but not the steel.
We have achieved 175% increase in Capital Goods production.
We have not increased Consumer Goods production at all.
We have the food in absolute amounts but not in distribution.
Conclusion:
We need Steel and Trains ASAP.
We need Textiles and maybe Books.
We should complete the Riverine Fleets too.
We have two years to complete this.
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I considered putting it in as part of my conditional orders, but it's just too expensive at the moment in both resources and Party Influence on a turn where we're spending a whole lot of the latter. Next turn if it's still available I think it could be a good investment, a recurring source of hard currency sounds like a great deal for just -5 PI when we're not cutting our PI so close to the wire.
HanEmpire
Delicious
Big news from Discord:
We need to make sure we have a good amount of Party Influence to burn before we stop collectivization. Keeping it around 50 is safe. The current leading plan is suicidal.
I got the sense that there's a critical mass of voters inherently morally opposed to the Dekulakization option, even if it's what I personally would prefer for exactly that reason. If people think they would actually be willing to vote for the middle road instead of fighting Stalin I would gladly swap out the land reform strategy. Thoughts everyone?
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HanEmpire
Delicious
I'll support you. Shoot some scapegoats too while you're at it.
- Location
- New England, State of Confusion
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I think Dekulkization is still unacceptable. We go hell for leather for Party Support, and we make do in the Mini turn.
[X]Plan Slow Your Roll, Koba 2.0
Infrastructure (4 Dice)
-[X]Buildup of Rail Stock(Coal)
--4 Infrastructure dice
-[X]Buildup of the Riverine Fleet
--1 Free die
Heavy Industry (5 Dice)
-[X]Magnitogorsk Planned City(Stage 1)
--1 Heavy Industry die
-[X]Locomotive Plants
--1 Heavy Industry die
-[X]Khazak Phosphate Mine Expansion
--1 Heavy Industry die
Light and Chemical Industry (5 Dice)
-[X]Baku Oil Extraction(Stage 2)
--2 Light and Chemical Industry die
-[X]Canning Plants
--2 Light and Chemical Industry dice
-[X]Book Printing Plants
--1 Light and Chemical Industry die
Agriculture (4 Dice)
-[X]Education for the Farmers(Political)
--2 Agriculture dice
-[X]Enforced Breakup of large farms(Dekulakization)
--2 Agriculture dice
Services (4 Dice)
-[X]Creation of the State Hospital System(Stage 1)
--1 Services die
-[X]Expansion of the Schooling Programs(Stage 1)
--2 Services dice
-[X]Expansion of Pioneer Programs
--1 Services die, 1 Free die
Bureaucracy (2 Dice)
-[X]Additional State Funding
--2 Bureaucracy dice
CONDITIONAL ORDERS FOR ONLY IF ADDITIONAL FUNDING CLEARS:
Heavy Industry (2 Dice unassigned)
-[X]Magnitogorsk Planned City(Stage 1)
--2 remaining Heavy Industry dice
-[X]Stalingrad Tractor Plant
--2 remaining Free Dice
Cost: 190 (270 conditional)
I initially wanted to go for dekulakization to avoid destroying our party support, I suppose I should probably propose and vote my conscience anyways. The land reform was a sop to thread politics but eh I genuinely think this is the better course of action, if you really truly can't stomach the middle road of dekulakization then feel free to vote for the original Slow Your Roll or make your own plan.
Infrastructure (4 Dice)
-[X]Buildup of Rail Stock(Coal)
--4 Infrastructure dice
-[X]Buildup of the Riverine Fleet
--1 Free die
Heavy Industry (5 Dice)
-[X]Magnitogorsk Planned City(Stage 1)
--1 Heavy Industry die
-[X]Locomotive Plants
--1 Heavy Industry die
-[X]Khazak Phosphate Mine Expansion
--1 Heavy Industry die
Light and Chemical Industry (5 Dice)
-[X]Baku Oil Extraction(Stage 2)
--2 Light and Chemical Industry die
-[X]Canning Plants
--2 Light and Chemical Industry dice
-[X]Book Printing Plants
--1 Light and Chemical Industry die
Agriculture (4 Dice)
-[X]Education for the Farmers(Political)
--2 Agriculture dice
-[X]Enforced Breakup of large farms(Dekulakization)
--2 Agriculture dice
Services (4 Dice)
-[X]Creation of the State Hospital System(Stage 1)
--1 Services die
-[X]Expansion of the Schooling Programs(Stage 1)
--2 Services dice
-[X]Expansion of Pioneer Programs
--1 Services die, 1 Free die
Bureaucracy (2 Dice)
-[X]Additional State Funding
--2 Bureaucracy dice
CONDITIONAL ORDERS FOR ONLY IF ADDITIONAL FUNDING CLEARS:
Heavy Industry (2 Dice unassigned)
-[X]Magnitogorsk Planned City(Stage 1)
--2 remaining Heavy Industry dice
-[X]Stalingrad Tractor Plant
--2 remaining Free Dice
Cost: 190 (270 conditional)
I initially wanted to go for dekulakization to avoid destroying our party support, I suppose I should probably propose and vote my conscience anyways. The land reform was a sop to thread politics but eh I genuinely think this is the better course of action, if you really truly can't stomach the middle road of dekulakization then feel free to vote for the original Slow Your Roll or make your own plan.
- Location
- New England, State of Confusion
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Plan Debate Club
[Overall Goal: Have enough Party support to cold stop collectivization and be ready for the mini-turn while still making progress in the Great plan]
Free Dice 4 Dice
Infrastructure 4 Dice
-[X]Buildup of Rail Stock(Coal) [Rationale: We need trains for logistics and connecting the soviet union.]
--3 Dice (30 Resources)
-[X]Buildup of the Riverine Fleet [Rationale: We are very close to completing this, and is cheap. Should do.]
--1 Dice (10 Resources)
Heavy Industry 5 Dice
-[X]Locomotive Plants [Rationale: We need trains for logistics and connecting the soviet union.]
--1 Dice (10 Resources)
-[X]Stalingrad Tractor Plant [Rationale: This gives us concrete goods we are producing to get more resources to build more things ]
--3 Dice (60 Resources)
-[X]Khazak Phosphate Mine Expansion [Rationale: We are close to finishing, we need the resources.]
--1 Dice (10 Resources)
Light and Chemical Industry 5 Dice
-[X]Baku Oil Extraction(Stage 2) [Rationale: Cheaper than Refining in resource cost, gives party support down the line for when we need it. DO not expect competition this turn, still need.]
--2 Dice (20 Resources)
-[X]Kazak Textile Mills [Rationale: Increases resources available for future plans, does good.]
--2 Dice (10 Resources)
-[X]Book Printing Plants [Rationale: Literacy is important, cheap enough, will help down the line with training up people for jobs we need to be done.]
--1 Dice (10 Resources)
Agriculture (4 Dice)
-[X]Education for the Farmers(Political) [Rationale: Party Support is Crucial right now, and this gives us a decent chance to get it out right now.]
--2 Dice (10 Resources)
-[X]Harsh Land Reform [Rationale: DEATH TO COLLECTIVIZATION]
--2 Dice, 1 Free Dice (15 Resources)
Services (4 Dice)
-[X]Expansion of Pioneer Programs [Rationale: Party Support is Crucial right now.]
--2 Dice (10 Resources)
-[X]Start Glorification of Overachieving Workers [Rationale: Party Support is Crucial right now.]
--2 Dice (10 Resources)
Bureaucracy (2 Dice)
-[X]Additional State Funding [Rationale: We need more monies.]
--1 Dice, 2 Free Dice
-[X]Find a Scapegoat for Poor Riverboats: [Rationale: Party Support is Crucial right now. Also Free.]
--1 Dice. 1 Free Dice
Overall, TL;DR: Focuses on getting Party Support forgetting Stalin to listen to us, securing short term investments to increase resource production for future investments, and keeps working towards trains.
Additionally, if this plan works, will have at most 39 Party Support to burn in the mini-turn. We can survive some of these options failing, so there is wiggle room.
[Overall Goal: Have enough Party support to cold stop collectivization and be ready for the mini-turn while still making progress in the Great plan]
Free Dice 4 Dice
Infrastructure 4 Dice
-[X]Buildup of Rail Stock(Coal) [Rationale: We need trains for logistics and connecting the soviet union.]
--3 Dice (30 Resources)
-[X]Buildup of the Riverine Fleet [Rationale: We are very close to completing this, and is cheap. Should do.]
--1 Dice (10 Resources)
Heavy Industry 5 Dice
-[X]Locomotive Plants [Rationale: We need trains for logistics and connecting the soviet union.]
--1 Dice (10 Resources)
-[X]Stalingrad Tractor Plant [Rationale: This gives us concrete goods we are producing to get more resources to build more things ]
--3 Dice (60 Resources)
-[X]Khazak Phosphate Mine Expansion [Rationale: We are close to finishing, we need the resources.]
--1 Dice (10 Resources)
Light and Chemical Industry 5 Dice
-[X]Baku Oil Extraction(Stage 2) [Rationale: Cheaper than Refining in resource cost, gives party support down the line for when we need it. DO not expect competition this turn, still need.]
--2 Dice (20 Resources)
-[X]Kazak Textile Mills [Rationale: Increases resources available for future plans, does good.]
--2 Dice (10 Resources)
-[X]Book Printing Plants [Rationale: Literacy is important, cheap enough, will help down the line with training up people for jobs we need to be done.]
--1 Dice (10 Resources)
Agriculture (4 Dice)
-[X]Education for the Farmers(Political) [Rationale: Party Support is Crucial right now, and this gives us a decent chance to get it out right now.]
--2 Dice (10 Resources)
-[X]Harsh Land Reform [Rationale: DEATH TO COLLECTIVIZATION]
--2 Dice, 1 Free Dice (15 Resources)
Services (4 Dice)
-[X]Expansion of Pioneer Programs [Rationale: Party Support is Crucial right now.]
--2 Dice (10 Resources)
-[X]Start Glorification of Overachieving Workers [Rationale: Party Support is Crucial right now.]
--2 Dice (10 Resources)
Bureaucracy (2 Dice)
-[X]Additional State Funding [Rationale: We need more monies.]
--1 Dice, 2 Free Dice
-[X]Find a Scapegoat for Poor Riverboats: [Rationale: Party Support is Crucial right now. Also Free.]
--1 Dice. 1 Free Dice
Overall, TL;DR: Focuses on getting Party Support forgetting Stalin to listen to us, securing short term investments to increase resource production for future investments, and keeps working towards trains.
Additionally, if this plan works, will have at most 39 Party Support to burn in the mini-turn. We can survive some of these options failing, so there is wiggle room.
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